Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >>>>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles > & Mambo >>>>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location >>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> primordial pond. >>>>>>>>>> Earth. >>>>>>>>> Be more specific. >>>>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. >>>>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't > expect me >>>>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the >>>>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tokay >>>>> Heaven is in another dimension. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> What is a dimension? >>>> >>>> Tokay >>> Google dimension >>> >>> >> I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? >> >> >> Tokay > > try this term: alternate reality > > Totally different term. WHAT is a dimension? Tokay -- Rule of Feline Frustration: When your cat has fallen asleep on your lap and looks utterly content and adorable, you will suddenly have to go to the bathroom. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 [snips] On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:50:24 -0800, Jason wrote: >> What are you going to do? > I would do nothing. Doesn't it just figure that Jason's answer is to sit idly by and let 8.5 million people die. -- I, as an Elder in His church, have the authority and power of God.’ -- Ric Remington [Mormon] Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 [snips] On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:59:00 -0400, Mike wrote: > Now your only options are: > > 1: Kill the child yourself. Distasteful, to be sure. > 2: Drop depth charges on the sub, killing them but also killing several > children on board. Likewise. > 3: Do nothing and let them nuke NYC, thus killing the child as well as > many others. Worst of the lot. Of the three, the last is the worst and the two before it are about equal, except for one minor point: if you give in this time, you set a precedent that tells others this sort of action gets the results they want. Once you open that door, you can't close it. Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071235340001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > >>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & > > >>> Mambo > > >>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location > > > of the > > >>>>>>> primordial pond. > > >>>>>> Earth. > > >>>>> Be more specific. > > >>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > > >>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect > > >>> me > > >>> to tell you the location of heaven. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the > > >> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. > > >> > > >> Tokay > > > > > > Heaven is in another dimension. > > > > > > > > > > What is a dimension? > > > > Tokay > > Google dimension Another patronizing response from someone who demonstrates pride in his ignorance about science. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071346320001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > >>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles > & Mambo > > >>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact > > >>>>>>>>> location > > >>> of the > > >>>>>>>>> primordial pond. > > >>>>>>>> Earth. > > >>>>>>> Be more specific. > > >>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > > >>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't > expect me > > >>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered > > >>>> the > > >>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. > > >>>> > > >>>> Tokay > > >>> Heaven is in another dimension. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> What is a dimension? > > >> > > >> Tokay > > > > > > Google dimension > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? > > > > > > Tokay > > try this term: alternate reality Alternate reality? So you admit that "heaven" isn't real. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <tuefi3p2v1aknfg133v7r2594kgl9l1ji1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > So, why would you choose to let NYC be nuked? Are you really persuaded > that NYC is a den of iniquity and that God wants it nuked? You brought this up. I give you: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/country_music_stars_challenge_al -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071234070001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <5ooqgmFnnh1aU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > snip > > > > > If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me > > > to tell you the location of heaven. > > > > Jason, you can't tell us the location of heaven because you know it doesn't > > exist. Just admit it. > > location: another dimension That's not a location. That's a fanciful concept. You know, like the god concept. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071238160001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I was stating my opinion. Did you wipe your ass after doing that? -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <MPG.21917052cf64970d98a28f@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <Jason-3010071332070001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > Jason@nospam.com says... > > In article <MPG.21916532b69ef8aa98a28e@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > > > > > > > snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > > > > > > Old Testament. > > > > > > > > > > Thank goodness for that. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for > > stopping > > > > > the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > > > > > > > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > > > > nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > > > > start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in > > > > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > > > > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > > > > England or France. > > > > > > > > > > Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your > > > grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that > > > fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? > > > > > > Dude, stop while you are ahead. > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to > > be used for peaceful purposes--I have land (located under the ocean) that > > I would like to sell you. > > > > I don't think ANY religous fanatics should have access to nukes. > Muslims, christians, jews, or otherwise. > It worries me that a bunch of wackos that think there is a better place > on the other side just waiting for them has that kind of power. > "Your" people (christians) are just as war like as any other groups of > zealots. > You do know that the US fought Mexicans (christians), Germans > (christians), each other (christians), Spain (christians), and the > english (christians). That's just the what I could pull out of my head > quickly about the USA. The list goes on and on, no jews, muslims, > shintos, buddists, or the like required. Do you REALLY want to keep > going there? > > Jim The major difference is that nuclear weapons were not used in any of those wars. If Iran starts an assembly line for nuclear weapons, millions of people in various cities will be killed. More people will die in one year than died in all of those wars that you mentioned in your post. The only option is to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran before (not after) they start producing dozens of nuclear weapons per year. Read this report: Please answer this question: Do you want to allow a religious nut case to have total control over dozens of nuclear tipped missiles? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader By Anton La Guardia Last Updated: 12:33am GMT 15/01/2006 As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?" Political analysts point to the fact that Iran feels strong because of high oil prices, while America has been weakened by the insurgency in Iraq. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission. In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September. When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow." The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return. One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:34:44 -0800, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071834440001@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <MPG.21917052cf64970d98a28f@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: .... >> I don't think ANY religous fanatics should have access to nukes. >> Muslims, christians, jews, or otherwise. >> It worries me that a bunch of wackos that think there is a better place >> on the other side just waiting for them has that kind of power. >> "Your" people (christians) are just as war like as any other groups of >> zealots. >> You do know that the US fought Mexicans (christians), Germans >> (christians), each other (christians), Spain (christians), and the >> english (christians). That's just the what I could pull out of my head >> quickly about the USA. The list goes on and on, no jews, muslims, >> shintos, buddists, or the like required. Do you REALLY want to keep >> going there? >> >> Jim > >The major difference is that nuclear weapons were not used in any of those >wars. If Iran starts an assembly line for nuclear weapons, millions of >people in various cities will be killed. More people will die in one year >than died in all of those wars that you mentioned in your post. The only >option is to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran before (not after) >they start producing dozens of nuclear weapons per year. Read this report: So, because you are a witless fool who can be scared silly by anyone who says, "Boo" we should start attacking countries that the right-wing chickenhawks want attacked. Sorry, but your willingness to kill in that way makes it very clear to me that you follow a religion of hatred and evil. God protect us from your followers. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <a5ffi3l3dsegam2lrd4pl3siripdio77q4@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-3010071332070001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > >In article <MPG.21916532b69ef8aa98a28e@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > >> In article <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > >> Jason@nospam.com says... > >> > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> > > > >> > > snip] > >> > > > > >> > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > >> > > > Old Testament. > >> > > > >> > > Thank goodness for that. > >> > > > >> > > BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for > >stopping > >> > > the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > >> > > >> > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > >> > nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > >> > start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in > >> > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > >> > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > >> > England or France. > >> > > >> > >> Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your > >> grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that > >> fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? > >> > >> Dude, stop while you are ahead. > >> > >> > >> Jim > > > >If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to > >be used for peaceful purposes--I have land (located under the ocean) that > >I would like to sell you. > > > If you believe that the President of Iran has any say in the matter, > you've already bought that land. One of Iran's ruling clerics agrees with the President of Iran. They both want to use nuclear weapons against Israel. http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <b2ffi3977f2ct8n01jdcgsribsqs85un4q@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:46:08 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > >In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> > >> snip] > >> > > >> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > >> > Old Testament. > >> > >> Thank goodness for that. > >> > >> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping > >> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > > >There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > >nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > >start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in > >the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > >weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > >England or France. > > > Thank you for showing us that you are stupid and bigoted. You are just > repeating the same old lies that the rabid right told us about the > Soviet Union and Red China. Notice that neither country ever attacked us > and there is no reason for us to think Iran will either. The president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran both have stated that they want to use nuclear weapons against Israel. As you know, we are obligated to protect Israel since they are an ally of America. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <fg8e1d$i13$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> > >> snip] > >>> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > >>> Old Testament. > >> Thank goodness for that. > >> > >> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping > >> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > > > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > > nuclear weapons. > > Holy cow. You SHOULD read some history. > > Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > > start making several nuclear weapons per year > > While as far as my opinion goes, this basket case might do that, this > point is speculative. You can't act on a "might do". Otherwise, germany > might be next. We don't like the USA. We did, but we learned otherwise. > > --not a single large city in > > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > > England or France. > > Probably. But why do that? > > > Tokay Iran considers Israel and America to be their enemies. They have been at war with America and Israel for the last 10 or more years. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <ffefi3dsl0hf86oit7pdfi69gg70762j4b@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:43:23 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2910072143230001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > >In article <fg62fr$gno$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >> > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > >> >> Jason@nospam.com says... > >> >>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > >> >>>> Jason@nospam.com says... > >> >>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> >>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> snipo > >> >>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over > >> >>> again: > >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >> >>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > >> >>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world > >> >>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a > >> > Christian. It > >> >>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be > >> >>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the > >> > Sudan. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? > >> >>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional > >> >>>> than I thought. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Jim > >> >>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those > >> >>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard > >> >>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. > >> >>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear > >> >>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even > >> >>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to > >> >>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." > >> >>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one > >> >>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be > >> >>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since > >> >>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border > >> >>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from > >> >>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a > >> >>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear > >> >>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a > >> >>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to > >> >>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster > >> >>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the > >> >>> nuclear facilities in Iran. > >> >>> Jason > >> >>> > >> >> Just look through history. > >> >> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been > >> >> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian > >> >> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have > >> >> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and > >> >> intolerance. > >> >> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of > >> >> its' father or mother? > >> >> > >> >> Jim > >> >> > >> > > >> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > >> > Old Testament. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Yes. That is called "cherry picking" > >> > >> > >> Tokay > > > >The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > >Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life > >in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine > >the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death > >for committing adultery. > > > They give lip service to them. > > They demonstrate by their behavior that things are more than God to > them. > > They don't follow the Sabbath Day. > > They rarely honor their parents and have no idea how to generalize it. > > They covet. > > The worship of the ten commandments, as done in the United States is > forbidden in the ten commandments. I don't know anyone that worships the ten commandments. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:44:44 -0800, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071844440001@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <ffefi3dsl0hf86oit7pdfi69gg70762j4b@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:43:23 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2910072143230001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >> >In article <fg62fr$gno$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >> >> > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> In article ><Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com says... >> >> >>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >> >> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> In article ><Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> >> >>>> Jason@nospam.com says... >> >> >>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> >>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> snipo >> >> >>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >> >> >>> again: >> >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >> >>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. >> >> >>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. >The world >> >> >>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a >> >> > Christian. It >> >> >>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons >could be >> >> >>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the >> >> > Sudan. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? >> >> >>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more >delusional >> >> >>>> than I thought. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Jim >> >> >>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those >> >> >>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard >> >> >>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. >> >> >>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The >biggest fear >> >> >>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They >will even >> >> >>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to >> >> >>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." >> >> >>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will >fire one >> >> >>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will >probably be >> >> >>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since >> >> >>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border >> >> >>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from >> >> >>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love >to take a >> >> >>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear >> >> >>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't >live in a >> >> >>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress >don't want to >> >> >>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster >> >> >>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the >> >> >>> nuclear facilities in Iran. >> >> >>> Jason >> >> >>> >> >> >> Just look through history. >> >> >> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been >> >> >> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian >> >> >> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have >> >> >> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and >> >> >> intolerance. >> >> >> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of >> >> >> its' father or mother? >> >> >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >> >> > Old Testament. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Yes. That is called "cherry picking" >> >> >> >> >> >> Tokay >> > >> >The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most >> >Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life >> >in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine >> >the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death >> >for committing adultery. >> > >> They give lip service to them. >> >> They demonstrate by their behavior that things are more than God to >> them. >> >> They don't follow the Sabbath Day. >> >> They rarely honor their parents and have no idea how to generalize it. >> >> They covet. >> >> The worship of the ten commandments, as done in the United States is >> forbidden in the ten commandments. > >I don't know anyone that worships the ten commandments. Let's start with the High Priest of Ten Commandment worship: Roy Moore, the former chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court who lost his job because he brought the object of his worship into his place of work illegally. Then we'll point to every single jerk who thinks we need a ten commandments plaque in public buildings. They too are worshipping a graven image. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <tuefi3p2v1aknfg133v7r2594kgl9l1ji1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:50:24 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-3010071250250001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > >In article <fg7db2$d3d$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > ><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > >> > Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life > >> > in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine > >> > the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death > >> > for committing adultery. > >> > >> Ok, Jason, let's see how much attention you pay to the 10 commandments > >> (and possibly get you to finally understand that there is no "one right > >> answer" in all circumstances.) > >> > >> There is a religious group (doesn't matter who other than they aren't > >> xians) who have become convinced that a 2 year old living in NY is the > >> "antichrist" of their religion. They are desperate to kill this child or > >> have it killed. They don't care about what penalty they'd pay and, other > >> than this, they are a very peaceful group. They have repeatly tried, at > >> great expense of money and life, to kill this child. > >> > >> They have taken control of a nuclear sub and have several children as > >> hostages in the sub. The sub is in 300' of water off the coast of NY. > >> They know the launch codes for the nukes. There is no way possible to > >> get the children out of the sub and dropping depth charges will kill all > >> on board. You are in charge of the naval ships that could drop such charges. > >> > >> They have sent a demand to you: Personally kill the child on live TV by > >> 5:00pm, at which time we will surface the sub and surrender, or we > >> launch a nuke on NYC which will kill the child and then we will surface > >> and surrender. Based on your knowledge of the religion, etc. you know > >> that they will keep their word on the surrender. > >> > >> Now your only options are: > >> > >> 1: Kill the child yourself. > >> > >> 2: Drop depth charges on the sub, killing them but also killing several > >> children on board. > >> > >> 3: Do nothing and let them nuke NYC, thus killing the child as well as > >> many others. > >> > >> NO other options (such as "we won't vote at all and just pray that a > >> rescue ship comes by and gets us before we all die of thirst." or "I'll > >> wait to see if I can get a clear shot.") are available. > >> > >> What are you going to do? > >> > >> Personally, I'd kill the child. I wouldn't be happy at all about it and > >> would probably need therapy for the rest of my life, but I'd see no > >> other choice. > >> > >> Occasionally, you have no other choice but to kill an innocent person. > > > >I would do nothing. > > > So, why would you choose to let NYC be nuked? Are you really persuaded > that NYC is a den of iniquity and that God wants it nuked? Of the options you provided, it was my favorite. In relation to Iran, if you was president of the USA--would you attack the nuclear facilities in Iran now or wait until after they fired several nuclear tipped missiles at Israel? I answer first: I would order an attack on the nuclear facilities in Iran ASAP. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <DipthotDipthot-C85C50.17530130102007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > In article > <Jason-3010071346320001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > > >>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Jason wrote: > > > >>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles > > & Mambo > > > >>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Jason wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact > > > >>>>>>>>> location > > > >>> of the > > > >>>>>>>>> primordial pond. > > > >>>>>>>> Earth. > > > >>>>>>> Be more specific. > > > >>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > > > >>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't > > expect me > > > >>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Tokay > > > >>> Heaven is in another dimension. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> What is a dimension? > > > >> > > > >> Tokay > > > > > > > > Google dimension > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? > > > > > > > > > Tokay > > > > try this term: alternate reality > > Alternate reality? > > So you admit that "heaven" isn't real. No--I was letting you know my opinion related to the location of heaven. I believe heaven is located in another dimension. I plan to go to heaven when I die a physical death. It's a real place. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:43:00 -0800, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071843010001@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <fg8e1d$i13$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >> snip] >> >>> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >> >>> Old Testament. >> >> Thank goodness for that. >> >> >> >> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for >stopping >> >> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? >> > >> > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of >> > nuclear weapons. >> >> Holy cow. You SHOULD read some history. >> >> Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they >> > start making several nuclear weapons per year >> >> While as far as my opinion goes, this basket case might do that, this >> point is speculative. You can't act on a "might do". Otherwise, germany >> might be next. We don't like the USA. We did, but we learned otherwise. >> >> --not a single large city in >> > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear >> > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into >> > England or France. >> >> Probably. But why do that? >> >> >> Tokay > >Iran considers Israel and America to be their enemies. They have been at >war with America and Israel for the last 10 or more years. > You are completely uninformed. You are a credulous fool who will believe any lie that someone tells him, if the person lying to him tells him that he is a Christian. Aside from the fact that the United States has overthrown its government, forced a corrupt king upon them, used Iraq to fight them for years, and tried to freeze their international assets, why would Iran be upset with the United States? We have not been at war with Iran for the past decade. We have had serious problems that have never quite amounted to war ever since the Shah's overthrow almost three decades ago. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:40:45 -0800, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071840450001@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <b2ffi3977f2ct8n01jdcgsribsqs85un4q@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:46:08 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >> >In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >> snip] >> >> > >> >> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >> >> > Old Testament. >> >> >> >> Thank goodness for that. >> >> >> >> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for >stopping >> >> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? >> > >> >There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of >> >nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they >> >start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in >> >the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear >> >weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into >> >England or France. >> > >> Thank you for showing us that you are stupid and bigoted. You are just >> repeating the same old lies that the rabid right told us about the >> Soviet Union and Red China. Notice that neither country ever attacked us >> and there is no reason for us to think Iran will either. > >The president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran both have >stated that they want to use nuclear weapons against Israel. No, they did not. >As you know, >we are obligated to protect Israel since they are an ally of America. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:50:13 -0800, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071850130001@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article ><DipthotDipthot-C85C50.17530130102007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-3010071346320001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > >> > > Jason wrote: >> > > > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Jason wrote: >> > > >>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> > > >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> Jason wrote: >> > > >>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles >> > & Mambo >> > > >>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> Jason wrote: >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact >> > > >>>>>>>>> location >> > > >>> of the >> > > >>>>>>>>> primordial pond. >> > > >>>>>>>> Earth. >> > > >>>>>>> Be more specific. >> > > >>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. >> > > >>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't >> > expect me >> > > >>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered >> > > >>>> the >> > > >>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Tokay >> > > >>> Heaven is in another dimension. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> What is a dimension? >> > > >> >> > > >> Tokay >> > > > >> > > > Google dimension >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? >> > > >> > > >> > > Tokay >> > >> > try this term: alternate reality >> >> Alternate reality? >> >> So you admit that "heaven" isn't real. > >No--I was letting you know my opinion related to the location of heaven. I >believe heaven is located in another dimension. I plan to go to heaven >when I die a physical death. It's a real place. Why can't you point it out then? What definition of real do you use that the rest of the world is unfamiliar with? -- "... There's glory for you." "I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiles contemptuously. "Of course you don't--till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'" "But glory doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument," Alice objected. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's all." Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <fg8g0r$2jh$01$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > >>>>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles > > & Mambo > >>>>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location > >>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>>>> primordial pond. > >>>>>>>>>> Earth. > >>>>>>>>> Be more specific. > >>>>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > >>>>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't > > expect me > >>>>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the > >>>>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tokay > >>>>> Heaven is in another dimension. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> What is a dimension? > >>>> > >>>> Tokay > >>> Google dimension > >>> > >>> > >> I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? > >> > >> > >> Tokay > > > > try this term: alternate reality > > > > > > Totally different term. WHAT is a dimension? > > > Tokay I don't know which dimension in which heaven is located. This is an article about the forth dimension: Fourth Dimension: Tetraspace Speculations on the 4th dimension The universe that we live in has only three spatial dimensions. We are limited to length, width, and height, and we can only travel along three perpendicular paths. This page attempts to explain the properties of a hypothetical universe with a spatial fourth dimension. While people generally call time the 4th dimension in the universe we live in, time will be the 5th dimension in my hypothetical universe. Many fascinating possibilities exist when a spatial fourth dimension is present. Several types of wheels are possible, very complex machines can be built, and many more shapes are possible. Objects can pass by each other more easily, but they are harder to break into multiple pieces. Energy reduces much faster with distance than in the 3rd dimension, so both light and sound are weaker. Much more things can be compacted into a small space, but its much easier to get lost. In this page, I will explore these and many other interesting properties of the fourth dimension. To get started learning about the fourth dimension, go to the introduction. Site Index [ Introduction ] Introduction (12/23/2003) - Introduces the concept of the 4th dimension. [ The adventures of Fred, Bob and Emily ] From the 2nd to the 3rd dimension (1/13/2003) - Bob, who lives in the 3rd dimension, interacts with Fred, who lives in the 2nd dimension. From the 3rd to the 4th dimension (1/19/2003) - Emily, who lives in the 4th dimension, interacts with Bob. Rotation (1/19/2003) - Explains the properties of rotation the different dimensions. Flatness and Levitation (1/18/2003) - How objects from one dimension look in other dimensions. [ The world ] Wheels in the different dimensions (1/19/2003) - Introduces the properties of wheels and tires from the 2nd to the 4th dimension. War in the dimensions (6/03/2001) - How war would work in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dimension. Bodies of water (6/03/2001) - Lakes, rivers, and other bodies of water. [ Higher dimensional shapes ] Index of higher dimensional shapes Rotatope properties (3/16/2003) - Properties of round shapes from the fourth dimension. Rotatope classification (3/16/2003) - Several classification schemes for round shapes from the fourth dimension. Shape Intersection Applet (2/23/2003) - Shows the intersection of shapes from the fourth dimension with lower-dimensional shapes. Shape formulas (3/14/2003) - Face, volume, and rotation formulas. Polyhedra (2/22/2003) - The regular three-dimensional solids. [ Other fourth dimension topics ] The confusion of dimension terms (1/16/2004) - Discusses the confusion between terms of the 4th dimension like hypercube and tesseract. Fourth Dimension search terms (10/25/2003) - Search terms that one can use when searching for pages on the fourth dimension. Time vs spatial 4th dimension (2/11/2003) - Discusses the debate between the 4th dimension being time or being spatial. Book Reviews (2/26/2003) - Reviews on books about the fourth dimension. Fourth Dimension Glossary (12/8/2003: 108 words total) - Terms relating to the fourth dimension. Fourth Dimension Links (10/25/2003) - Links to other sites about the fourth dimension. Old News [ Discussion ] fourth dimension forum (11/3/2003) Updates Introduction page - 12/23/2003 I rewrote the introduction to the fourth dimension, and changed one of the images. The page is now quite a lot different. Next up for revision is the page "From the 2nd dimension to the 3rd dimension". Fourth Dimension Glossary, part 4 - 12/8/2003 I made a number of changes to the fourth dimension glossary to fix errors that Polyhedron Dude pointed out, plus added some new words, bringing the total number of words from 102 to 106. Here are the changes: added to the definitions of latitude, longitude, laptitude added the words vertex, edge, face; corrected cell definition, renamed tetron -> teron duocylinder no longer called a hypercylinder corrected the tesseract definition added the words perimeter and surface; corrected surcell definition added to the definitions of hole, chasm, gully added polyteron Fourth Dimension Glossary, part 3 - 12/4/2003 I changed the terms tridth/tride/trin to trength/trong/tarrow. This is because the tridth series is potentially confusing - it contains the root "tri-" but it is a measure of the fourth dimension, not the third. See Old News To begin learning about the 4th dimension, go to the introduction. Fourth Dimension: Tetraspace originally started 2/18/2000. hits since June 2002. Contact email: e-mail me about the fourth dimension This website, Fourth Dimension: Tetraspace, is copyright 2000-2003 by Garrett Jones You should be drinking alkaline water: Structured Alkaline Water << http://www.alkaline.org Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 In article <TJ-dnd7YzYABNbranZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > location: another dimension > > Which one? > What evidence do you have to support your hypothesis? > How did you come up with it? > When will you be publishing it in a scientific journal? > What will you do with the money from the Nobel prize for physics? I googled "dimension" and read an article about the fourth and fift dimension. I don't know which dimension that heaven is located. Fourth Dimension: Tetraspace Speculations on the 4th dimension The universe that we live in has only three spatial dimensions. We are limited to length, width, and height, and we can only travel along three perpendicular paths. This page attempts to explain the properties of a hypothetical universe with a spatial fourth dimension. While people generally call time the 4th dimension in the universe we live in, time will be the 5th dimension in my hypothetical universe. Quote
Guest hhyapster@gmail.com Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 On Oct 31, 10:34 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <MPG.21917052cf64970d98a...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > > Beck <j...@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > In article <Jason-3010071332070...@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Ja...@nospam.com says... > > > In article <MPG.21916532b69ef8aa98a...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > Beck <j...@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <Jason-3010071246080...@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > > > Ja...@nospam.com says... > > > > > In article <5ooq5lFnlvk...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Jason" <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote > > > > > > > snip] > > > > > > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the > laws in the > > > > > > > Old Testament. > > > > > > > Thank goodness for that. > > > > > > > BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for > > > stopping > > > > > > the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > > > > > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > > > > > nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and > once they > > > > > start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large > city in > > > > > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > > > > > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > > > > > England or France. > > > > > Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your > > > > grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that > > > > fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? > > > > > Dude, stop while you are ahead. > > > > > Jim > > > > If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to > > > be used for peaceful purposes--I have land (located under the ocean) that > > > I would like to sell you. > > > I don't think ANY religous fanatics should have access to nukes. > > Muslims, christians, jews, or otherwise. > > It worries me that a bunch of wackos that think there is a better place > > on the other side just waiting for them has that kind of power. > > "Your" people (christians) are just as war like as any other groups of > > zealots. > > You do know that the US fought Mexicans (christians), Germans > > (christians), each other (christians), Spain (christians), and the > > english (christians). That's just the what I could pull out of my head > > quickly about the USA. The list goes on and on, no jews, muslims, > > shintos, buddists, or the like required. Do you REALLY want to keep > > going there? > > > Jim > > The major difference is that nuclear weapons were not used in any of those > wars. If Iran starts an assembly line for nuclear weapons, millions of > people in various cities will be killed. More people will die in one year > than died in all of those wars that you mentioned in your post. The only > option is to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran before (not after) > they start producing dozens of nuclear weapons per year. Read this report: > > Please answer this question: Do you want to allow a religious nut case to > have total control over dozens of nuclear tipped missiles? > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran... > > Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader > > By Anton La Guardia > Last Updated: 12:33am GMT 15/01/2006 > > As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear > programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What > is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?" > > Political analysts point to the fact that Iran feels strong because of > high oil prices, while America has been weakened by the insurgency in > Iraq. > > President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad > President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad > > But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently > described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is > another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving > the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission. > > In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad > telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders > as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September. > > When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr > Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, > saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom > which we must follow." > > The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to > the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the > president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his > return. > > One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about > £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the > pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well. > > All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who > will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government > but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a > "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and > sent it to Jamkaran. > > Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, > regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet > Mohammad. > > He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age > of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed. > After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will > lead the world to an era of universal peace. > > This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the > Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus. > > Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events are close at hand and > that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable. > > The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The > unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the > West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the > Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of > hastening his reappearance? > > The 49-year-old Mr Ahmadinejad, a former top engineering student, member > of the Revolutionary Guards and mayor of Teheran, overturned Iranian > politics after unexpectedly winning last June's presidential elections. > > The main rift is no longer between "reformists" and "hardliners", but > between the clerical establishment and Mr Ahmadinejad's brand of > revolutionary populism and superstition. > > Its most remarkable manifestation came with Mr Ahmadinejad's international > debut, his speech to the United Nations. > > World leaders had expected a conciliatory proposal to defuse the nuclear > crisis after Teheran had restarted another part of its nuclear programme > in August. > > Instead, they heard the president speak in apocalyptic terms of Iran > struggling against an evil West that sought to promote "state terrorism", > impose "the logic of the dark ages" and divide the world into "light and > dark countries". > > The speech ended with the messianic appeal to God to "hasten the emergence > of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human > being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace". > > In a video distributed by an Iranian web site in November, Mr Ahmadinejad > described how one of his Iranian colleagues had claimed to have seen a > glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the UN. > > "I felt it myself too," Mr Ahmadinejad recounts. "I felt that all of a > sudden the atmosphere changed there. And for 27-28 minutes all the leaders > did not blinkŠIt's not an exaggeration, because I was looking. > > "They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It > had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic." > > Western officials said the real reason for any open-eyed stares from > delegates was that "they couldn't believe what they were hearing from > Ahmadinejad". > > Their sneaking suspicion is that Iran's president actually relishes a > clash with the West in the conviction that it would rekindle the spirit of > the Islamic revolution and - who knows - speed up the arrival of the > Hidden Imam. You are a real nutcase person. Writing so much to justify to destroy other people or nation. 1)> Do you know that Islam is just another sect of christianity? 2)> Do you know that US has no hestitation to use WMD, as in world war II? Who do you then think is crazy? And with all the military presence in every where, I think is US has a inferiority complex. For example, we don't find Brazil has to be heavily armed in order to protect itself. There is no need to have huge army since no one is threatening it. And is there any one threatening US for it to arm itself with tens of thousands of WMD and aircrafts? Your shit reasoning is exposing your twisted reasoning and argument as stupid. As I said before: "Stupidity has no cure !" Quote
Guest hhyapster@gmail.com Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 On Oct 31, 10:47 am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:44:44 -0800, in alt.atheism > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-3010071844440...@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > > >In article <ffefi3dsl0hf86oit7pdfi69gg70762...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:43:23 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-2910072143230...@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > >> >In article <fg62fr$gno$0...@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > >> ><tokay.gris.b...@gmx.net> wrote: > > >> >> Jason wrote: > >> >> > In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >> >> > Beck <j...@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> In article > ><Jason-2910071153480...@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com says... > >> >> >>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >> >> >>> Beck <j...@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > >> >> >>>> In article > ><Jason-2910071111320...@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > >> >> >>>> Ja...@nospam.com says... > >> >> >>>>> In article <5omerlFnote...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> >> >>>>> <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > >> >> >>>>>> "Jason" <Ja...@nospam.com> > > >> >> >>>>>> snipo > >> >> >>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over > >> >> >>> again: > >> >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > >> >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >> >> >>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > >> >> >>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. > >The world > >> >> >>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a > >> >> > Christian. It > >> >> >>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons > >could be > >> >> >>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the > >> >> > Sudan. > > >> >> >>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? > >> >> >>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more > >delusional > >> >> >>>> than I thought. > > >> >> >>>> Jim > >> >> >>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those > >> >> >>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard > >> >> >>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. > >> >> >>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The > >biggest fear > >> >> >>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They > >will even > >> >> >>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to > >> >> >>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." > >> >> >>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will > >fire one > >> >> >>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will > >probably be > >> >> >>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since > >> >> >>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border > >> >> >>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from > >> >> >>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love > >to take a > >> >> >>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear > >> >> >>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't > >live in a > >> >> >>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress > >don't want to > >> >> >>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster > >> >> >>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the > >> >> >>> nuclear facilities in Iran. > >> >> >>> Jason > > >> >> >> Just look through history. > >> >> >> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been > >> >> >> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian > >> >> >> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have > >> >> >> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and > >> >> >> intolerance. > >> >> >> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of > >> >> >> its' father or mother? > > >> >> >> Jim > > >> >> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > >> >> > Old Testament. > > >> >> Yes. That is called "cherry picking" > > >> >> Tokay > > >> >The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > >> >Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life > >> >in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine > >> >the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death > >> >for committing adultery. > > >> They give lip service to them. > > >> They demonstrate by their behavior that things are more than God to > >> them. > > >> They don't follow the Sabbath Day. > > >> They rarely honor their parents and have no idea how to generalize it. > > >> They covet. > > >> The worship of the ten commandments, as done in the United States is > >> forbidden in the ten commandments. > > >I don't know anyone that worships the ten commandments. > > Let's start with the High Priest of Ten Commandment worship: Roy Moore, > the former chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court who lost his job > because he brought the object of his worship into his place of work > illegally. Then we'll point to every single jerk who thinks we need a > ten commandments plaque in public buildings. They too are worshipping a > graven image. If these thing were to happen more often, then US will be in the drain in 100 years from now. Good. Quote
Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 Kelsey Bjarnason wrote: >>>What are you going to do? > > >>I would do nothing. > > > Doesn't it just figure that Jason's answer is to sit idly by and let 8.5 > million people die. You don't think "My Pet Goat" is going to read itself, do you? -- Come down off the cross We can use the wood Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House Quote
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