Evolution is Just Junk Science

[Guest Al Klein]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:29:21 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>Yes, some denominations pay attention to various laws and scriptures in

>the Old Testament. I have read the Old Testament and enjoyed the stories

>but did not enjoy reading the longs lists of laws that made a lot of sense

>in those days but don't make much sense today. Christians pay attention to

>the 10 commandments since they came directly from God.

 

But you don't pay attention to the commandments in the New Testament

that came directly from God, unless you like them.

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"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:48:18 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>Those laws were for those people--not the people that are alive today.

 

And the laws in the New Testament were for THOSE people--not the

people that are alive today. Where, EXACTLY, does the Bible say any

different?

> If you read those laws, you will realize that I am correct. I read all of

>those laws.

 

We've all read all of them, which is why we realize that you're wrong.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:29:53 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com>

wrote:

>Jason wrote:

>> In article <fg7drc$dk7$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

>> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Jason wrote:

>>>> Yes, some denominations pay attention to various laws and scriptures in

>>>> the Old Testament. I have read the Old Testament and enjoyed the stories

>>>> but did not enjoy reading the longs lists of laws that made a lot of sense

>>>> in those days but don't make much sense today. Christians pay attention to

>>>> the 10 commandments since they came directly from God. Those other laws

>>>> were (in my opinion) written by men.

>>> You need to re-read them. The book of Leviticus starts out:

>>>

>>> Leviticus 1

>>> The Burnt Offering

>>> 1 The LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting.

>>> He said, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any of you

>>> brings an offering to the LORD, bring as your offering an animal from

>>> either the herd or the flock.

>>>

>>> And then it goes on outlining law after law after law. Let's re-read

>>> that again. "The LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of

>>> Meeting. He said, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them..." The

>>> LORD called to Moses. Moses didn't sit down and say "Hmm, I'll make up

>>> some laws." It says the Lord told him this specifically and told him to

>>> pass it along to the Israelites.

>>>

>>> Nice try, however.

>>

>> Those laws were for those people--not the people that are alive today. If

>> you read those laws, you will realize that I am correct. I read all of

>> those laws.

>

>Once again you fail to explain why those laws are "for those people--not

>the people that are alive today" and why the 10 commandments are not

>"for those people--not the people that are alive today."

 

No, he DID explain it - he belongs to The Church of Jason's Opinion.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:10:46 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason

<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>[snips]

>

>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:48:12 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

>>> So, why would you choose to let NYC be nuked? Are you really persuaded

>>> that NYC is a den of iniquity and that God wants it nuked?

>>

>> Of the options you provided, it was my favorite.

>

>Of course it would; you're a member of a death cult and this is the only

>option that allows the death of 8+ million people, rather than one or a

>few.

 

And Jason believes that only COMISSIONS are sins - that doing nothing

can't be a sin. Unless - IN HIS SOLE OPINION - his god would want him

to kill millions. Then that's not a sin either.

 

The kind of "Christian" that should be locked in a rubber room with

the door welded shut. Like Shrub.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:23:11 -0700, hhyapster@gmail.com wrote:

>If these thing were to happen more often, then US will be in the drain

>in 100 years from now.

 

Huh? How could shoving MORE religion down our throats SLOW the demise

of the US?

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:00:34 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>I disagree. Roy Mooore worships God.

 

Then why did he violate the law in an attempt to place a rock in a

court house? You usually make no sense, Jason, but this is stupid

even for you.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:46:08 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping

>> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other?

>There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of

>nuclear weapons.

 

Nuclear weapons have only been used TWICE in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the

planet, 63 years ago, and that had NOTHING to do with religion. But

they WERE used by a CHRISTIAN president against a defenseless,

defeated enemy.

> Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they

>start making several nuclear weapons

 

Which isn't going to happen until they START making nuclear weapons,

which they a) haven't done and b) don't have the facilities to do.

 

The US, OTOH, DOES HAVE nuclear weapons, and the finger on the switch

is connected to a lump of protoplasm that does what it's told to do by

morons who have no regard for human life if they think they can make a

profit. They've already thrown away over a million lives in the past

4-1/2 years.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to

>be used for peaceful purposes

 

The SCIENTISTS who have inspected the facilities KNOW he is.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:34:44 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>The major difference is that nuclear weapons were not used in any of those

>wars.

 

They WERE used - by THE UNITED STATES - the ONLY time they were used

in war. ONLY CHRISTIANS are, so far, responsible for unleashing

nuclear weapons.

> If Iran starts an assembly line for nuclear weapons

 

You're willing to wipe out MILLIONS of people on an "if"?

>Please answer this question: Do you want to allow a religious nut case to

>have total control over dozens of nuclear tipped missiles?

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT! Get Nukes out of the hands of Bush and Cheney. (Well

.... Cheney probably isn't as nutty as Bush, but still ...)

 

(And please stop quoting made up fantasies of other morons. Post your

own words or don't post.)

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:15:51 -0700, hhyapster@gmail.com wrote:

>As I said before: "Stupidity has no cure !"

 

Except death, or Christianity, which is the same thing.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:55:50 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>Perhaps you will wake up from your dream world after Iran fires a nuclear

>tipped missile at Israel. You must have sleeped thru 9/11.

 

You mean the administration's excuse for carrying out their 1995 plan

to invade Iraq?

 

Maybe you'll wake up before they nuke a US city and blame it on

"terrorists".

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:36:56 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason

<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>You want to talk 9/11? Total dead, about 3,000. Hiroshima: estimated

>140,000. Nagasaki: estimated 80,000. So you Christers have a death toll

>some 73 times larger than 9/11, and that's without examining the rest of

>your bloody and violent history.

>

>And you think those guys are the threat?

 

Of course. If Christians wipe out the entire world to keep it from

the hands of those blasphemous Moslems, they'll all go to heaven. If

they just sit back and let the IslamoFascists kill everyone they might

not go to heaven.

 

Which is more important? Saving the lives of 4.4 billion nonbelievers

or spending eternity in heaven. (We know which one Jason thinks is

more important.)

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:16:50 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>America had no desire to take over the world.

 

Which is why we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

It couldn't have been because either country was planning to attack

us, because neither one had that capability.

 

It couldn't be that Iraq has WMD, because making that up was part of

the plan all along.

 

It couldn't be to dispose of a bad dictator, because that's illegal.

 

It couldn't be to steal Iraq's oil, because that's illegal too.

> Otherwise, Americans would now have total control over Germany and Japan.

 

Your cult didn't run this country back then - it does now.

>The Muslims have made it clear that their end goal is to take over the world.

 

No, only to eliminate your cult - which we have no argument with. If

God came down from heaven and criminalized ALL religious belief right

now, not a single atheist would do more than cheer.

>The Muslims from the Middle East are presently taking over the Sudan.

 

I believe that's the Sudanese Muslims.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:43:00 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>Iran considers Israel and America to be their enemies. They have been at

>war with America and Israel for the last 10 or more years.

 

Christianity has been at war with the US for 27 years - and has

ACTUALLY DAMAGED IT. So who are we to fear more? Toothless tigers or

ChristoFascists who have actually demonstrated not only a desire, but

an ability, to destroy America?

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:08:54 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>How many times has Iran attacked America?

 

None.

 

Hint: Defending isn't attacking.

 

How many times has the US made UNPROVOKED attacks on the Middle East.

 

Hint: Many, many times, both directly and through clients - during one

such attack we were counter-attacked.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:40:45 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>The president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran both have

>stated that they want to use nuclear weapons against Israel.

 

The US has said that it wants to eradicate Islam.

> As you know,

>we are obligated to protect Israel since they are an ally of America.

 

Since there's been no attack, there's nothing to defend. "Defending"

against an attack that MAY happen, some nebulous time in the future,

is known as "attacking", and we're NOT obligated to START a war. (That

we've done it a few times doesn't mean that there's any treaty that

obligates us to do it.)

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:25:25 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>

wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:14:12 -0800, in alt.atheism

>>> >As you know,

>>> >we are obligated to protect Israel since they are an ally of America.

>>

>>http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

>>

>>The president of Iran stated: "Israel must be wiped off from the map of

>>the world." Needless to say, several nuclear missles fired at Israel

>>would allow the president of Iran to do exactly what he said that he wants

>>to do.

>

>Since he strongly supports the Palestinians, maybe you are intentionally

>misrepresenting what he means by this.

 

Why not? It would give Jason justification for killing Moslems. He

had a good teacher - Bush - who used a non-threat to destroy over a

million of them.

>He doesn't make those decisions. Should we have been attacked for all

>the stupid things right-wing imperialists said in this country?

 

To Jason, of course, Christians attacking Moslems for being Moslem is

TOTALLY DIFFERENT from Moslems attacking Christians for being

Christian. We're us - they're only them. (WHAT'S the name of the

mental defect that prevents you from seeing others as real human

beings unless they're exactly like you? Not "religion", there's a

technical term for it that's more specific than schizophrenia.)

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:10:58 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>I have seen pictures of at least of Iran's nuclear facilities on a

>television news show.

 

Have you seen pictures of US nuclear facilities? (I live within the

10 mile evacuation zone of one.)

 

What's the difference?

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:42:53 +0100, Tokay Pino Gris

<tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>Jason wrote:

>> http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

>I know, but that is not the point. You claimed that "ISLAM" wants to do

>that. You even claimed "Islam wants to take over the world".

>

>How is that different from "if all were christians...."?

 

Only in WHICH ReligioFascists would be taking over the world.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:38:16 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <5ooqbvFnuhjhU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:Jason-2910071116020001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>> > In article <5omeutFngaf1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>> >>

>> >> snip> Not really, if a person was told by their doctor that they only had

>> >> two

>> >> > months to live--I would not have any negative things to say to that

>> >> > person

>> >> > if that person told me that he planned to commit suicide since he was

>> >> > had

>> >> > terrible pain and agony.

>> >>

>> >> What makes you think it has anything to do with you?

>> >

>> > I was responding to a question.

>>

>> And I was asking one.

>

>I was stating my opinion.

>

Now try answering the lady's question. What makes you think it has

anything to do with you? (You could have answered - "it would have

nothing to do with me".)

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Robibnikoff]

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:13:20 -0400, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>news:Jason-3010071857410001@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>

>>> I don't know which dimension in which heaven is located.

>

>>Then what makes you think

>

> What leads you to believe that he can?

 

Oh, I was being kind

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[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:39:54 -0400, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>news:Jason-2910071126440001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>> In article <5omf8rFnnmk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>

>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>>>

>>> snip

>>> > I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or

>>> > atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were

>>> > non-Christians.

>>>

>>> Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was the

>>> only

>>> non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with?

>>

>> back sliders

>

>I'm sure they would disagree - as would my sis-in-laws who attend church and

>smoke a joint afterwards. BTW, there's nothing in the bible that says, "thou

>shalt not be a stoner".

 

Fortunately for Jason, it doesn't mention anything about being able to

think either.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:45:05 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>Everyone has free speech. I realize that many Christians don't agree with

>me related to this issue. They fear that once mercy killing becomes a

>common practice, that thousands of people that are depressed will be mercy

>killed. They also fear that relatives that want the money of elderly

>relatives will arrange for their relatives to be mercy killed so they will

>not have to pay a nursing home to take care of them.

 

Only the utterly brain dead don't understand that "mercy killing" is

another name for "assisted suicide" and one doesn't "get suicided". If

one "gets mercy killed" a murder has been committed.

>About a dozen years from now, it may become a common practice for

>relatives to have their elderly relatives mercy killed so they can get

>their money ASAP instead of having to wait several years for them to die.

>In addition, they won't have to care for their elderly relatives or pay

>huge amounts of money to rest homes to take care of them.

 

When that happens, it won't be long before it becomes legal to kill

morons, so we'll be able to live in peace pretty soon.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:36:14 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>I should have been more clear. I had in mind a relative that was in a

>coma. The relatives in that sort of case would have to decide whether or

>not to allow the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping the

>relative alive.

 

So we can add the difference between being in a coma and being kept

alive by machines to the LONG list of things you have no understanding

of.

 

PVS and coma aren't even similar, let alone the same thing, and most

people being kept "alive" by machine aren't even in a PVS they're, to

all intents and purposes, dead.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:41:56 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>The problem in that case was that Terry Shiavo did NOT have a living will

 

That wasn't a problem because a) she had a living next of kin and b)

if she had a living will it almost certainly would have named her

husband as her medical proxy.

>and also failed to tell the many members of her family what she wanted the

>members of her family to do if she was ever in a comma.

 

She wasn't in a coma, so that's a pretty moot point. But she DID tell

her husband that she wouldn't want to be kept alive by machines if

there was no hope of recovery, so you're completely wrong on all

counts.

>I did not make that mistake. I have a living will and told Sarah that if I was in a comma

>to order the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping me alive.

 

If you're in a coma there aren't machines keeping you alive, so what

you told her is totally irrelevant.

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Al at Webdingers dot com

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger

with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change

them."

- Abraham Lincoln