Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snipo >>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: >>> >>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>> >>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. Assuming it exists. The world > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. Horseshit. Christians have had 2000 years to make the world a better place, and seem to have done much more harm than good. Two millennia of squandered opportunities. It > would end all wars. The same way that the nazis and fascists were going to end wars - by killing everyone who disagreed with them. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be > spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan. It wouldn't be. Christians would be too busy spending the money evangelizing. > > Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <hlchv4-e37.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote: >> >>>> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of >>>> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. >>> Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would >>> be heaven--what is your choice? >> My choice would be to be worm food. >> >> However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose >> hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but >> at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of >> yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which >> would be the only thing I'd have left. > > Instead of having to put up with God--you will have to put up with Satan. > > Well, now we have to put up with you. Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >>> There is a heaven and there is a hell. >> Then prove it. > > Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the > primordial pond. > > The Garden of Eden. Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- >> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... >>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com >>>> says... >>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed > to legally >>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to > pass that >>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it > legal for >>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to > die. Of >>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they > want to die. >>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose >>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others > to kill >>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill >>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right? >>>>> >>>>> Doctor kills you: OK. >>>>> >>>>> I kill you: bad. >>>>> >>>>> You kill yourself: bad. >>>>> >>>>> Got it. >>>>> >>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. >>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul >>>> hunter. >>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim >>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person >>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder. >>> >> Split hairs all you want. >> Your good book says suicide is wrong. >> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. >> Plain and simple. >> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it >> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other >> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a >> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the >> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some >> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some >> of your other beliefs. >> >> Jim > > The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or > even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father > die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have > committed a mercy killing. Why should a doctor jeopardize his or her immortal soul to make you feel better? People that are not in favor of mercy killing > should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their > relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to > not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless > Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. > Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and > lawyers. > Jason > > Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <5omf8rFnnmk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snip >>> I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or >>> atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were >>> non-Christians. >> Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was the only >> non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with? > > back sliders > > They weren't real Christians, were they? Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <fg5te3$89h$02$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- >>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed >>> to legally >>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to >>> pass that >>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it >>> legal for >>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to >>> die. Of >>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they >>> want to die. >>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose >>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others >>> to kill >>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill >>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I kill you: bad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Got it. >>>>>>> >>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. >>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul >>>>>> hunter. >>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person >>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder. >>>>> >>>> Split hairs all you want. >>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong. >>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. >>>> Plain and simple. >>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it >>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other >>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a >>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the >>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some >>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some >>>> of your other beliefs. >>>> >>>> Jim >>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or >>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father >>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have >>> committed a mercy killing. >> Why didn't you do it? > > I was 12 years old. There were several people in the hospital room. If I > had been an adult, I probably would have found a way to do it--perhaps by > unhooking one of the machines that were keeping him alive. That would have made you a murderer in the eyes of the law. If you planned to do it, it would be first degree murder. >> People that are not in favor of mercy killing >>> should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their >>> relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to >>> not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless >>> Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. >>> Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and >>> lawyers. >>> Jason >>> >>> > > Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com says... >>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >>>> Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> snipo >>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >>> again: >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. >>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world >>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a > Christian. It >>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be >>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the > Sudan. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? >>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional >>>> than I thought. >>>> >>>> Jim >>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those >>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard >>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. >>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear >>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even >>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to >>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." >>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one >>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be >>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since >>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border >>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from >>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a >>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear >>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a >>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to >>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster >>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the >>> nuclear facilities in Iran. >>> Jason >>> >> Just look through history. >> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been >> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian >> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have >> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and >> intolerance. >> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of >> its' father or mother? >> >> Jim >> > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > Old Testament. > > They pick and choose, generally the easy ones. Quote
Guest 655321 Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071850130001@66-53-209-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I plan to go to heaven > when I die a physical death. It's a real place. There is no reason whatsoever to make such plans. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest hhyapster@gmail.com Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Nov 2, 3:54 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <5omerlFnote...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > >> "Jason" <Ja...@nospam.com> > > >> snipo > >>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > > >>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > >>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > > > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. > > Assuming it exists. > > The world > > > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. > > Horseshit. Christians have had 2000 years to make the world a better > place, and seem to have done much more harm than good. Two millennia of > squandered opportunities. > > It > > > would end all wars. > > The same way that the nazis and fascists were going to end wars - by > killing everyone who disagreed with them. > > The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be > > > spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan. > > It wouldn't be. Christians would be too busy spending the money > evangelizing. Ya, its a profession. In Asia, a lot of church spring up with pastor soliciting for money by "you contribute to god, to god's cause...." and tax free. They don't do anything beneficial except to say: "Ah, you will go to heaven...." Where? "Well, I don't know, I have to ask my god......." Answer? "Well, I can't find him....." Found? "Well, he is on leave...." Back to work? "No, may be he is sick...." Cured? "Could be, but I think he is travelling now...." To? "Must be with Mary or the younger fairy.....on the beach" Which beach? "Hey, can you ask him, don't ask me.....bloody Scientist" This question and answer session goes on another Billion years..... Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:12:23 -0800, Jason wrote: > In article <h7rqv4-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:17:31 -0800, Jason wrote: >> >> > We both know that nuclear missiles will allow the president of Iran to do >> > exactly what he stated that he wants to do. >> > >> > 55 percent of Americans agree with me related to this issue. >> >> Which means that approximately 135,512,976 people in your own country >> disagree with you. Never mind other countries. >> >> If it were anywhere near as clear-cut as you seem to think, why do almost >> half of the people in your own country disagree? > > Because they don't know what 55 percent of the American people knows. What, 135 million people are completely separated from every major news source? Or was this miraculously limited to only a select few, the rest simply not being allowed to see it? No, that's bullshit. The reason 45% don't agree is that 45% think you're full of shit. Maybe Iran is getting prepped for nukes, maybe not - nothing you've offered shows clearly that they are. If they are, maybe they're going to come after the US, maybe they're not - nothing you've offered shows clearly that they are. If they are, maybe they've got the capacity for a couple of hundred nukes, maybe they don't - nothing you've offered shows clearly that they are. Maybe they're nuts enough to ignore the fact that if they start lobbing nukes, the entire region is liable to be uninhabitable for the next 100 centuries, maybe they aren't, but nothing you've offered shows clearly that they are. In short, we have bugger all but some half-assed conjectures that: a) They have the capacity in the first place b) They're remotely ready to use that capacity c) They actually have the will to use it d) That if they have the will and capacity, they have _serious_ capacity e) That if all the above is true, they have any interest in doing this to anyone but their local enemies So, of course, your answer is... what was it again? Go in guns blazing, that's right, just on the offchance that every one of those points is actually true, despite a complete lack of compelling evidence. That's our Jason - any excuse is a good excuse to kill the most possible people. -- Campus Crusade for Cthulhu: If your god’s dead blame mine. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:00:09 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0111072200090001@67-150-122-231.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <f34li317ifvnvvnvpfpfle3bq7iaaf8sj1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:49:59 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0111071849590001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >> >In article <g93li3lj75hc5g420kgtb3f3gjemmvb5e8@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:13 -0800, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0111071819140001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >> >> >In article <hptki3pvvqss9cshtioh2cqoh8a45ml675@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> >> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:49:55 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >One other option would be for the CIA to fund opposition groups within >> >> >> >Iran such as the National Council for Resistance in Iran [NCRI]. >> >> >> >> >> >> One other option would be for us to keep our noses out of the internal >> >> >> affairs of other nations, like we want them to keep their noses out of >> >> >> ours. >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you think that just because you're you, you have (or your country >> >> >> has) the right to tell other countries how to run themselves? >> >> > >> >> >By following your plan, a nuclear missile will be fired at Israel in the >> >> >near future. >> >> > >> >> What nuclear missile? Your paranoid fantasies are hopeless. >> > > >The president of Iran is a religious nut case. Why do you trust him with >nuclear-capable missiles or nuclear materials? I don't trust him, even though he does not control Iran. ..... Quote
Guest Mike Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > You are living in a dream world if you believe that a nation that has > hundreds of oil wells is spending millions of dollars to produce electric > power. The truth is that the end goal is to make nuclear weapons--not > produce electric power. Oil can be used to produce electric power. You are living in a dream world if you don't realize that: #1: the oil WILL run out at some point. Any country that hasn't diversified their power production by then is SCREWED! #2: it can actually be cheaper to make electricity via nuclear power at times than by burning oil. Why do you think WE have nuclear plants even when we have lots of cheap coal? We'd have a lot MORE nuclear plants if people weren't so paranoid about them. Quote
Guest Mike Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <fgcuu8$v9f$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <61eii3he08kkrhtt4c3m18r482hi18lbet@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:06:34 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-3110071706350001@67-150-175-249.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >>>>> In article <097ii35na1tem8b4ormhj2tsromi88daqp@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:08:55 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>> <Jason-3110071608550001@67-150-124-24.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >>>>>>> In article <3p4ii3pu7vf0m7788kbvnjptfdbccnfmvh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:13:37 -0400, in alt.atheism >>>>>>>> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>> <29ahi3houucl8cvb6s8a4no2mlaji3tn1l@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:08:54 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How many times has Iran attacked America? >>>>>>>>> None. >>>>>>>> Niggling little criticism. Attacking an embassy or consulate does count >>>>>>>> as attacking a country (see flap about US bombing of Chinese Embassy). >>>>>>>> Of course Jason is still way off base. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hint: Defending isn't attacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How many times has the US made UNPROVOKED attacks on the Middle East. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hint: Many, many times, both directly and through clients - during one >>>>>>>>> such attack we were counter-attacked. >>>>>>> I also seem to recall that they attacked one of our war ships. >>>>>> Which one? Before or after we shot one of their civiliam planes out of >>>>>> the sky? >>>>> I believe it was the USS Cole (spelling ??) >>>> Please point to anywhere that claims that Iran attacked the USS Cole. As >>>> far as I was aware, the concensus was that al Qaeda did it. >>> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/11/01/cole.investigation/index.html >> <snip> >> >>> Although C-4, which contains the explosive material RDX (Research >>> Development Explosive), is primarily manufactured in the United States, >>> forms of C-4 are made in Austria, Iran and other countries, according to >>> knowledgeable sources. >>> >>> But the sources provided no other evidence to suggest involvement by any >>> of those countries. Two sources familiar with the Cole investigation say >>> the C-4 finding has placed Iran on the radar for investigators, but one >>> source said that suspecting Iran would be merely the result of "an >>> educated guess." >> As usual, Jason can't read but simply asserts crap as fact that the >> article doesn't say. > > It's an "educuated guess that Iran was involved." Do you know what "educated guess" means? It means "we don't KNOW." So quit stating it as fact. Do you ALSO realize that source was NOT saying "it's MY educated guess" but that the source was denigrating someone else's claim as nothing MORE than an "educated guess"? Quote
Guest Mike Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > Iran is the problem since they have a religious nut case as a president. Jason, you've already sat there and admitted that you'd rather see 8,000,000 people definitely die in NYC rather than blow up a sub full of "religious nut case" and some kids when those "religious nut case" are definitely armed with multiple nukes and ready, willing and able to use them in a matter of hours. Now you want to blow up the "religious nut case" as well as possibly thousands of innocent people in order to POSSIBLY save several million when you don't know if these "religious nut case" even HAVE any nukes at all yet, much less the authority or will to use them. Can you get any MORE deranged? Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <fg62fr$gno$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >>>> Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>>>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snipo >>>>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >>>>> again: >>>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. >>>>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world >>>>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a >>> Christian. It >>>>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be >>>>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the >>> Sudan. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? >>>>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional >>>>>> than I thought. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those >>>>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard >>>>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. >>>>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear >>>>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even >>>>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to >>>>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." >>>>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one >>>>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be >>>>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since >>>>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border >>>>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from >>>>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a >>>>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear >>>>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a >>>>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to >>>>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster >>>>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the >>>>> nuclear facilities in Iran. >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>> Just look through history. >>>> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been >>>> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian >>>> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have >>>> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and >>>> intolerance. >>>> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of >>>> its' father or mother? >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >>> Old Testament. >>> >>> >> Yes. That is called "cherry picking" >> >> >> Tokay > > The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life > in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine > the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death > for committing adultery. > > Lazy, aren't you. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0111071837500001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <fgdkp4$qd2$00$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <fgc7u9$32j$02$8@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >>> In article <MPG.2192bf729011ee7498a297@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, >> >>> James >> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> In article <Jason-3110071313440001@67-150-123-199.lsan.mdsg- >> >>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... >> >>>>> In article <l79hi3tc5n5ncp4440nt82vhvijdm0pqgj@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> >>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear > materials to >> >>>>>>> be used for peaceful purposes >> >>>>>> The SCIENTISTS who have inspected the facilities KNOW he is. >> >>>>> Nuclear materials can be used to make nuclear weapons. >> >>>>> >> >>>> Ah, but it has to be CERTAIN materials. >> >>> Iran either already has those CERTAIN materials or can easily buy >> >>> those >> >>> CERTAIN materials. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Buy? Sure... but why build a nuclear power plant then? >> >> >> >> Oh, maybe power? >> >> >> >> Tokay >> > >> > So they can start an assembly line for the production of nuclear >> > weapons. >> >> Nope. Not yet. Not on their own. >> >> > >> > The goal is to buy the machines, computers, reactors, uranium and >> > anything >> > else that is needed to produce nuclear materials and nuclear weapons. >> >> Well, that is true for almost any country. Compared to what the running >> of a country actually does cost, the prices of nuclear weapons are >> peanuts. What you want to do? Nuke us all? >> >> > >> > Why waste money buying nuclear weapons when it is possible to produce >> > their own nuclear weapons for many years to come. >> >> They can't. The don't have the facilities to do that. >> >> There are many cities in >> > America and Europe that they want to nuke so many nuclear weapons will >> > be >> > needed. >> >> Conjecture. I.E. no evidence. >> >> > >> > A farmer could buy all of the milk that is needed for his family but it >> > would be much better if the farmer purchased 4 cows and produced enough >> > milk not only for his family but also milk to sell to his neighbors. >> >> What bullshit is this example? The farmer could also buy a bazooka and >> kill his neighbor. Why make one on his own? >> >> >> Tokay > > The end goal of people like the president of Iran is to take over the > world. Read this: So, why don't you get your lazy ass over there and assassinate him already? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0111071819140001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <hptki3pvvqss9cshtioh2cqoh8a45ml675@4ax.com>, Al Klein > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:49:55 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >One other option would be for the CIA to fund opposition groups within >> >Iran such as the National Council for Resistance in Iran [NCRI]. >> >> One other option would be for us to keep our noses out of the internal >> affairs of other nations, like we want them to keep their noses out of >> ours. >> >> Do you think that just because you're you, you have (or your country >> has) the right to tell other countries how to run themselves? > > By following your plan, a nuclear missile will be fired at Israel in the > near future. Why didn't you answer his question? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in religious nut > cases like the president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran. We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be xian, moslem, etc., etc. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-3110071702060001@67-150-175-249.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <kg8ii3903hjb8u27imco3supu5oqluo5oo@4ax.com>, Al Klein > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:18:45 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <fs8hi3p9uicde8hc9npmclr6r0cr3o7424@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:00:34 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >I disagree. Roy Mooore worships God. >> >> >> >> Then why did he violate the law in an attempt to place a rock in a >> >> court house? You usually make no sense, Jason, but this is stupid >> >> even for you. >> > >> >I have heard Roy Moore preach a sermon and he mentioned in that sermon >> >that he worships God. >> > >> Then why did he violate the law in an attempt to place a rock in a >> court house? > > He claims to have the law on his side related to this issue. He can claim whatever he wants, but he's still wrong. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-3110072104090001@66.53.221.39... > In article <szkbqae8zbm.fsf@eris.io.com>, The Chief Instigator > <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote: > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: >> >> >In article <5orgquFoc38tU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >> >> > The problem in that case was that Terry Shiavo did NOT have a living >> >> > will >> >> > and also failed to tell the many members of her family what she > wanted the >> >> > members of her family to do if she was ever in a comma. >> >> >> First of all, the word you're looking for is "coma". Second of all, >> >> she >> >> apparently made her wishes clear to her husband and that's all that > matters. >> >> >He was probably lying. >> >> How the hell would YOU know? > > The members of her family stated that he was lying. I believed them. Why? You DO know that her parents loved their son-in-law until he refused to share Terry's medical settlement with them, right? BTW, there was nothing to stop him from divorcing Terry. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-3110071336220001@67-150-123-199.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <5orgc3Fnl0toU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-3010071233260001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article <5ooqf6Fnh429U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >> > In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> > >> >> >> > There is a heaven and there is a hell. >> >> >> >> >> >> Then prove it. >> >> > >> >> > Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location >> >> > of >> >> > the >> >> > primordial pond. >> >> >> >> Since I never claimed there was a primordial pond, I don't have to >> >> prove >> >> anything. >> >> >> >> YOU made the assertion about heaven and hell. YOU prove it. >> > >> > The location: another dimension >> >> Uh huh. Prove it. > > If I knew the exact dimension where heaven is located, I would tell you. > It's my guess that it's in the 9th Dimension ) Prove there's a 9th dimension. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:21:47 -0400, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote: >On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:04:13 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> >wrote: > >>On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:49:55 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>>One other option would be for the CIA to fund opposition groups within >>>Iran such as the National Council for Resistance in Iran [NCRI]. >> >>One other option would be for us to keep our noses out of the internal >>affairs of other nations, like we want them to keep their noses out of >>ours. >> >>Do you think that just because you're you, you have (or your country >>has) the right to tell other countries how to run themselves? > >He doesn't understand why we are disliked so much. I don't think he accepts that we ARE disliked so much. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them." - Abraham Lincoln Quote
Guest James Beck Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <Jason-0111071817310001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.21941933f4a76f5e98a2a2@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <Jason-0111071243030001@66-53-214-172.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > In article <fgc7si$32j$02$7@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > In article <l79hi3tc5n5ncp4440nt82vhvijdm0pqgj@4ax.com>, Al Klein > > > > > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear > materials to > > > > >>> be used for peaceful purposes > > > > >> The SCIENTISTS who have inspected the facilities KNOW he is. > > > > > > > > > > Nuclear materials can be used to make nuclear weapons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeeell. No, not that easy. Plutonium can. Uranium 295 can. Uranium 298 > > > > can't. Well, not fission bombs anyway. > > > > > > > > Plutonium has to be created. In a special reactor. Uranium 295 has to be > > > > collected.... rather tedious process.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Tokay > > > > > > Iran (with their oil money) can afford to purchase whatever is needed to > > > make nuclear weapons. > > > > > > > So could a lot of countries. > > Should we just bomb them too??? > > There is a LOT of anti US sentiment out there, those little bastards > > could be plotting right now........ > > > > Jim > > No--only the countries that have a president that states: "Israel must be > wiped off from the map of the world." In addition, that country must have > nuclear weapons or nuclear facilities. > > We both know that nuclear missiles will allow the president of Iran to do > exactly what he stated that he wants to do. > > 55 percent of Americans agree with me related to this issue. > Why the hard on over Israel? They have been shown to be more than able to take care of themselves. AND, I don't care if 99.998% of Americans agree with you, a majority can be just as wrong as any other group, christians come to mind........ Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <Jason-0111071843330001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.21941c079170a94898a2a3@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <Jason-0111071259500001@66-53-214-172.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > In article <fgc7gk$32j$02$5@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > In article <81klv4-drh.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> [snips] > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:38:05 -0800, Jason wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL > > > > >> Bush says we should start a war in Iraq! For no justifiable reason! > > > > >> Which we can't get out of! Let's go kick some heathen butt! > > > > >> > > > > >> Yup, when religious loonies are in charge, you get problems. > Which isn't > > > > >> to say atheists in charge wouldn't have problems, either, but at least > > > > >> they're not living an entire life of delusions of magic and pixies and > > > > >> muddleheaded nonsense - nonsense which often induces horrific crimes in > > > > >> its name. > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm sure you had a point, but other than demonstrating that religion > > > > >> should not be allowed in office - which we're happy to agree with - the > > > > >> point isn't clear. > > > > >> > > > > >> Oh, you mean it's okay if religion is in office as long as it's your > > > > >> religion, just not if it's the other guy's religion? Nah, can't > be. From > > > > >> the outside, they're about equally meaningless - and about equally > > > > >> dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > America had no desire to take over the world. > > > > > > > > Looks different from here, I must say. > > > > > > > > Otherwise, Americans would > > > > > now have total control over Germany and Japan. > > > > > > > > Don't know about Japan, but we still have US military basis in Germany. > > > > And Berlin was ruled by the four powers after the second World War until > > > > 1989. So... What was your question again? > > > > > > > > The Muslims have made it > > > > > clear that their end goal is to take over the world. > > > > > > > > Nope. That is IRAN. Not Islam per se. If you want to argue by religious > > > > nutcases and their books.... the bible is no different from the Qu'ran > > > > in that respect. > > > > > > > > Tokay > > > > > > We took over Germany and took over Japan. Did we keep ownership of those > > > two countries? > > > > > > > I guess those military bases we built were at their request. > > > > Here is a list of places we took recently : > > > > Palmyra Atoll > > Guam > > Northern Mariana Islands > > Puerto Rico > > United States Virgin Islands > > American Samoa > > Howland Island > > Jarvis Island > > Johnston Atoll > > Kingman Reef > > Petrel Islands > > Serranilla Bank > > Midway Islands > > Navassa Island > > Wake Island > > > > Let's not forget the entire US of A that was taken from its' > > inhabitants. > > > > > > Jim > > Do we have control over Germany and Japan? > We did. You make us out to be some big benevolent teddy bear, when you know we are not. Two examples does not a trend make. Have we given the country back to the "Indians"??? Jim Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:17:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >No--only the countries that have a president that states: "Israel must be >wiped off from the map of the world." That would be just about every country in the Middle East (and some outside it) other than Israel (if you substitute the title each one uses for "president"). BTW, the president of Iran is a figurehead - he has no real authority, so what he says doesn't mean much. > In addition, that country must have nuclear weapons That eliminates all of them except Israel. > or nuclear facilities. They're going to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth with electricity? Or drop a generating plant on it? (BTW, why just Israel? It's no more important than, say, Bangladesh.) >We both know that nuclear missiles will allow the president of Iran to do >exactly what he stated that he wants to do. And we both know that he has none, and has no access to any. Only you refuse to admit it. >55 percent of Americans agree with me related to this issue. 100,000 years ago, 100% of the WORLD agreed that the world was flat - but they were ALL wrong. But almost ZERO percent of the WORLD population agrees with you. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them." - Abraham Lincoln Quote
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