Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <2JAWi.13212$4V6.10320@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >>>> >>>> snipo >>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: >>>>> >>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>> >>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. >>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. >> Assuming it exists. >> >> The world >>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. >> Horseshit. Christians have had 2000 years to make the world a better >> place, and seem to have done much more harm than good. Two millennia of >> squandered opportunities. >> >> It >>> would end all wars. >> The same way that the nazis and fascists were going to end wars - by >> killing everyone who disagreed with them. >> >> The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be >>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan. >> It wouldn't be. Christians would be too busy spending the money >> evangelizing. >> >>> > > We have to deal with non-Christians so it's impossible to have a perfect world. > > And we have to deal with Christians, so it's impossible to have a perfect world. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <fgf81v$93i$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <fgcuu8$v9f$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <61eii3he08kkrhtt4c3m18r482hi18lbet@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:06:34 -0800, in alt.atheism > >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >>>> <Jason-3110071706350001@67-150-175-249.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > >>>>> In article <097ii35na1tem8b4ormhj2tsromi88daqp@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:08:55 -0800, in alt.atheism > >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >>>>>> <Jason-3110071608550001@67-150-124-24.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: > >>>>>>> In article <3p4ii3pu7vf0m7788kbvnjptfdbccnfmvh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >>>>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:13:37 -0400, in alt.atheism > >>>>>>>> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in > >>>>>>>> <29ahi3houucl8cvb6s8a4no2mlaji3tn1l@4ax.com>: > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:08:54 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> How many times has Iran attacked America? > >>>>>>>>> None. > >>>>>>>> Niggling little criticism. Attacking an embassy or consulate does count > >>>>>>>> as attacking a country (see flap about US bombing of Chinese Embassy). > >>>>>>>> Of course Jason is still way off base. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hint: Defending isn't attacking. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> How many times has the US made UNPROVOKED attacks on the Middle East. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hint: Many, many times, both directly and through clients - during one > >>>>>>>>> such attack we were counter-attacked. > >>>>>>> I also seem to recall that they attacked one of our war ships. > >>>>>> Which one? Before or after we shot one of their civiliam planes out of > >>>>>> the sky? > >>>>> I believe it was the USS Cole (spelling ??) > >>>> Please point to anywhere that claims that Iran attacked the USS Cole. As > >>>> far as I was aware, the concensus was that al Qaeda did it. > >>> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/11/01/cole.investigation/index.html > >> <snip> > >> > >>> Although C-4, which contains the explosive material RDX (Research > >>> Development Explosive), is primarily manufactured in the United States, > >>> forms of C-4 are made in Austria, Iran and other countries, according to > >>> knowledgeable sources. > >>> > >>> But the sources provided no other evidence to suggest involvement by any > >>> of those countries. Two sources familiar with the Cole investigation say > >>> the C-4 finding has placed Iran on the radar for investigators, but one > >>> source said that suspecting Iran would be merely the result of "an > >>> educated guess." > >> As usual, Jason can't read but simply asserts crap as fact that the > >> article doesn't say. > > > > It's an "educuated guess that Iran was involved." > > Do you know what "educated guess" means? It means "we don't KNOW." So > quit stating it as fact. Do you ALSO realize that source was NOT saying > "it's MY educated guess" but that the source was denigrating someone > else's claim as nothing MORE than an "educated guess"? google "USS Cole Iran" Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <5p0qa3Fov6d5U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >>> I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in religious nut >>> cases like the president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran. >> We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be xian, moslem, >> etc., etc. > > When I advocated the destruction of the nuclear facilities in Iran, > various posters came to the defence of the religious nutcase in Iran. > > It's between religious nutcases. Nobody wins. Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <fgf89f$93i$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> Iran is the problem since they have a religious nut case as a president. >> Jason, you've already sat there and admitted that you'd rather see >> 8,000,000 people definitely die in NYC rather than blow up a sub full of >> "religious nut case" and some kids when those "religious nut case" >> are definitely armed with multiple nukes and ready, willing and able to >> use them in a matter of hours. Now you want to blow up the "religious >> nut case" as well as possibly thousands of innocent people in order >> to POSSIBLY save several million when you don't know if these "religious >> nut case" even HAVE any nukes at all yet, much less the authority or >> will to use them. >> >> Can you get any MORE deranged? > > 55% of Americans agree with me related to this issue. > > It doesn't make them right, Jason. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <1gfmi3h06chu7esaqe0ek54t64vl4hqqt0@4ax.com>, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:13 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >In article <hptki3pvvqss9cshtioh2cqoh8a45ml675@4ax.com>, Al Klein > ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:49:55 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >> >One other option would be for the CIA to fund opposition groups within > >> >Iran such as the National Council for Resistance in Iran [NCRI]. > >> > >> One other option would be for us to keep our noses out of the internal > >> affairs of other nations, like we want them to keep their noses out of > >> ours. > >> > >> Do you think that just because you're you, you have (or your country > >> has) the right to tell other countries how to run themselves? > > > >By following your plan, a nuclear missile will be fired at Israel in the > >near future. > > > By whom? Not by Iran - they don't have any. They will have them in the near future. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <TyKWi.2562$yV6.790@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <BMAWi.13216$4V6.13079@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <5omf8rFnnmk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > >>>> > >>>> snip > >>>>> I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or > >>>>> atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were > >>>>> non-Christians. > >>>> Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was the only > >>>> non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with? > >>> back sliders > >>> > >>> > >> They weren't real Christians, were they? > > > > Most back sliders usually get back on the correct road and start walking > > forward--not backwards. When I was in college, I was a back slider in > > relation to having sex outside of marriage. > > So you weren't a Christian then? > > However, I did NOT smoke dope > > or take any illegal drugs. I no longer have sex outside of marriage. I am > > now on the correct road and my goal is to not slide off the road or slide > > backwards on the road. > > Jason > > > > > You ducked the question. Do you consider backsliders not to be > Christians, even when they claim to be? I consider back sliders to be Christians. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <3VKWi.3514$nN3.2836@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <dMAWi.13215$4V6.4720@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- > >>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > >>>>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com > >>>>>> says... > >>>>>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed > >>> to legally > >>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to > >>> pass that > >>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it > >>> legal for > >>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to > >>> die. Of > >>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they > >>> want to die. > >>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose > >>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others > >>> to kill > >>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill > >>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I kill you: bad. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Got it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. > >>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul > >>>>>> hunter. > >>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jim > >>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person > >>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder. > >>>>> > >>>> Split hairs all you want. > >>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong. > >>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. > >>>> Plain and simple. > >>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it > >>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other > >>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a > >>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the > >>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some > >>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some > >>>> of your other beliefs. > >>>> > >>>> Jim > >>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or > >>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father > >>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have > >>> committed a mercy killing. > >> Why should a doctor jeopardize his or her immortal soul to make you feel > >> better? > >> > >> People that are not in favor of mercy killing > >>> should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their > >>> relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to > >>> not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless > >>> Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. > >>> Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and > >>> lawyers. > >>> Jason > >>> > >>> > > > > I don't know how God feels about Doctors that conduct mercy killings. It's > > possible that God considers mercy killing to be a form of LOVE. Jesus > > preached more about love than any other subject. > > > > > But your sect considers killing Christians to be murder. That means > that a Christian doctor would jeopardize his or her immortal soul by > performing a mercy killing. > > If you really believed in it, you would be willing to risk your soul to > do it. I don't think that you would. I would not do it regardless of the situtation since I am NOT a doctor. Doctors know when a patient is near death. If I was a doctor, I would consider mercy killing related to certain situations. For example, if I had a "signed copy of the living will" and various relatives that wanted me to conduct a mercy killing--I would seek a court order that authorized me to disconnent all machines that were keeping my patient alive. jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <AVKWi.3515$nN3.2126@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <WNAWi.13217$4V6.9292@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <fg5te3$89h$02$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- > >>>>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > >>>>>>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > >>>>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com > >>>>>>>> says... > >>>>>>>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed > >>>>> to legally > >>>>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to > >>>>> pass that > >>>>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it > >>>>> legal for > >>>>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to > >>>>> die. Of > >>>>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they > >>>>> want to die. > >>>>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an > > overdose > >>>>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others > >>>>> to kill > >>>>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill > >>>>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I kill you: bad. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Got it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. > >>>>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul > >>>>>>>> hunter. > >>>>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jim > >>>>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person > >>>>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Split hairs all you want. > >>>>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong. > >>>>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. > >>>>>> Plain and simple. > >>>>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it > >>>>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other > >>>>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a > >>>>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the > >>>>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some > >>>>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some > >>>>>> of your other beliefs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jim > >>>>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or > >>>>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father > >>>>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have > >>>>> committed a mercy killing. > >>>> Why didn't you do it? > >>> I was 12 years old. There were several people in the hospital room. If I > >>> had been an adult, I probably would have found a way to do it--perhaps by > >>> unhooking one of the machines that were keeping him alive. > >> That would have made you a murderer in the eyes of the law. If you > >> planned to do it, it would be first degree murder. > >> > >>>> People that are not in favor of mercy killing > >>>>> should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their > >>>>> relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to > >>>>> not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless > >>>>> Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. > >>>>> Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and > >>>>> lawyers. > >>>>> Jason > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > > > > It's not an issue. I honestly don't know for sure whether or not I would > > have been able to do it. I continue to believe that doctors should be able > > to legally do it. > > > > > But what about their souls Jason? They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that doctors commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 In article <4WKWi.3516$nN3.2327@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <2JAWi.13212$4V6.10320@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > >>>> > >>>> snipo > >>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > >>>>> > >>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >>>>> > >>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > >>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. > >> Assuming it exists. > >> > >> The world > >>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. > >> Horseshit. Christians have had 2000 years to make the world a better > >> place, and seem to have done much more harm than good. Two millennia of > >> squandered opportunities. > >> > >> It > >>> would end all wars. > >> The same way that the nazis and fascists were going to end wars - by > >> killing everyone who disagreed with them. > >> > >> The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be > >>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan. > >> It wouldn't be. Christians would be too busy spending the money > >> evangelizing. > >> > >>> > > > > We have to deal with non-Christians so it's impossible to have a perfect world. > > > > > And we have to deal with Christians, so it's impossible to have a > perfect world. I'm hoping the rapture will happen soon. After that--you won't have to worry about having to deal with Christians. Buy Gold--it will really help you since money will be worth nothing. Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <3VKWi.3514$nN3.2836@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <dMAWi.13215$4V6.4720@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus >>> <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- >>>>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>>>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>>>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com >>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed >>>>> to legally >>>>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to >>>>> pass that >>>>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it >>>>> legal for >>>>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to >>>>> die. Of >>>>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they >>>>> want to die. >>>>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an > overdose >>>>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others >>>>> to kill >>>>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill >>>>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I kill you: bad. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Got it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. >>>>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul >>>>>>>> hunter. >>>>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person >>>>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Split hairs all you want. >>>>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong. >>>>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. >>>>>> Plain and simple. >>>>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it >>>>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other >>>>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a >>>>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the >>>>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some >>>>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some >>>>>> of your other beliefs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or >>>>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father >>>>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have >>>>> committed a mercy killing. >>>> Why should a doctor jeopardize his or her immortal soul to make you feel >>>> better? >>>> >>>> People that are not in favor of mercy killing >>>>> should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their >>>>> relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to >>>>> not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless >>>>> Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. >>>>> Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and >>>>> lawyers. >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>> I don't know how God feels about Doctors that conduct mercy killings. It's >>> possible that God considers mercy killing to be a form of LOVE. Jesus >>> preached more about love than any other subject. >>> >>> >> But your sect considers killing Christians to be murder. That means >> that a Christian doctor would jeopardize his or her immortal soul by >> performing a mercy killing. >> >> If you really believed in it, you would be willing to risk your soul to >> do it. I don't think that you would. > > I would not do it regardless of the situtation since I am NOT a doctor. > Doctors know when a patient is near death. If I was a doctor, I would > consider mercy killing related to certain situations. For example, if I > had a "signed copy of the living will" and various relatives that wanted > me to conduct a mercy killing--I would seek a court order that authorized > me to disconnent all machines that were keeping my patient alive. > jason > > What would this do to your immortal soul, Jason? It violates your version of Christian doctrine. Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <AVKWi.3515$nN3.2126@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <WNAWi.13217$4V6.9292@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus >>> <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <fg5te3$89h$02$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >>>>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>>>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- >>>>>>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>>>>>> In article > <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>>>>>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, > prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com >>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed >>>>>>> to legally >>>>>>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to >>>>>>> pass that >>>>>>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it >>>>>>> legal for >>>>>>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to >>>>>>> die. Of >>>>>>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they >>>>>>> want to die. >>>>>>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an >>> overdose >>>>>>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others >>>>>>> to kill >>>>>>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill >>>>>>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I kill you: bad. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Got it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. >>>>>>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul >>>>>>>>>> hunter. >>>>>>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person >>>>>>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Split hairs all you want. >>>>>>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong. >>>>>>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. >>>>>>>> Plain and simple. >>>>>>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her > kill me it >>>>>>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other >>>>>>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a >>>>>>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the >>>>>>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some >>>>>>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some >>>>>>>> of your other beliefs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or >>>>>>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my > father >>>>>>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have >>>>>>> committed a mercy killing. >>>>>> Why didn't you do it? >>>>> I was 12 years old. There were several people in the hospital room. If I >>>>> had been an adult, I probably would have found a way to do it--perhaps by >>>>> unhooking one of the machines that were keeping him alive. >>>> That would have made you a murderer in the eyes of the law. If you >>>> planned to do it, it would be first degree murder. >>>> >>>>>> People that are not in favor of mercy killing >>>>>>> should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings > on their >>>>>>> relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders > doctors to >>>>>>> not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless >>>>>>> Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. >>>>>>> Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and >>>>>>> lawyers. >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> It's not an issue. I honestly don't know for sure whether or not I would >>> have been able to do it. I continue to believe that doctors should be able >>> to legally do it. >>> >>> >> But what about their souls Jason? > > They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that doctors > commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs. > > Source? Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <4WKWi.3516$nN3.2327@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <2JAWi.13212$4V6.10320@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus >>> <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> snipo >>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over > again: >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. >>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. >>>> Assuming it exists. >>>> >>>> The world >>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. >>>> Horseshit. Christians have had 2000 years to make the world a better >>>> place, and seem to have done much more harm than good. Two millennia of >>>> squandered opportunities. >>>> >>>> It >>>>> would end all wars. >>>> The same way that the nazis and fascists were going to end wars - by >>>> killing everyone who disagreed with them. >>>> >>>> The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be >>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan. >>>> It wouldn't be. Christians would be too busy spending the money >>>> evangelizing. >>>> >>> We have to deal with non-Christians so it's impossible to have a > perfect world. >>> >> And we have to deal with Christians, so it's impossible to have a >> perfect world. > > I'm hoping the rapture will happen soon. After that--you won't have to > worry about having to deal with Christians. Buy Gold--it will really help > you since money will be worth nothing. > > I'll buy yours at $1.00 per ounce, since you won't be needing it. Quote
Guest cactus Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <TyKWi.2562$yV6.790@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, cactus > <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <BMAWi.13216$4V6.13079@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, cactus >>> <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <5omf8rFnnmk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> snip >>>>>>> I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or >>>>>>> atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were >>>>>>> non-Christians. >>>>>> Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was > the only >>>>>> non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with? >>>>> back sliders >>>>> >>>>> >>>> They weren't real Christians, were they? >>> Most back sliders usually get back on the correct road and start walking >>> forward--not backwards. When I was in college, I was a back slider in >>> relation to having sex outside of marriage. >> So you weren't a Christian then? >> >> However, I did NOT smoke dope >>> or take any illegal drugs. I no longer have sex outside of marriage. I am >>> now on the correct road and my goal is to not slide off the road or slide >>> backwards on the road. >>> Jason >>> >>> >> You ducked the question. Do you consider backsliders not to be >> Christians, even when they claim to be? > > I consider back sliders to be Christians. > > I'm as glad to hear that as they are. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:25:30 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <eqfmi3htkvr19ihvc180s6ck82lha5356b@4ax.com>, Al Klein ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:23:59 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >Their plan is to make their own nuclear weapons. >> >> Not according to the people who have actually inspected their >> facilities. They claim that there is NO SIGN that Iran is trying to >> make bomb grade fissionables. >> >> > Of couse, they would >> >still need to buy the raw materials needed make nuclear weapons. >> >> And they'd need to make or buy the facilities to turn the raw >> materials into weapons. >> >> About the same as any other nation (except those that already have >> nukes - LIKE THE US). > >They have already modified their long range missiles so that nuclear >warheads can be mounted on them. Without nuclear warheads (which they aren't in the position of beginning to design facilities to produce), the missiles could actually damage buildings they fall on. Cars can do a lot more damage by being driven into crowds, so let's attack any nation that has cars.. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning." - Calvin & Hobbes Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:30:34 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >It's much easier to fire cruise missles at the nuclear facilities in Iran Killing millions of people all over the area, INCLUDING in Israel. >or use our bombers to drop bunker buster bombs on their nuclear >facilities. Which are hardened against such bombs, so the only damage will be to the civilian infrastructure in the area. > I don't have the skills needed to assassinate any person. Sure you do. You place your hands on his neck and squeeze until he's dead. Or you stick a knife into his heart or his eye. Or you pour fuming nitric acid on his head. Or you cave his skull in with a club. But you do lack what's needed to actually kill someone you claim should be killed - the courage. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism." - Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93 Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:33:32 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <1gfmi3h06chu7esaqe0ek54t64vl4hqqt0@4ax.com>, Al Klein ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:13 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <hptki3pvvqss9cshtioh2cqoh8a45ml675@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:49:55 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >One other option would be for the CIA to fund opposition groups within >> >> >Iran such as the National Council for Resistance in Iran [NCRI]. >> >> >> >> One other option would be for us to keep our noses out of the internal >> >> affairs of other nations, like we want them to keep their noses out of >> >> ours. >> >> >> >> Do you think that just because you're you, you have (or your country >> >> has) the right to tell other countries how to run themselves? >> > >> >By following your plan, a nuclear missile will be fired at Israel in the >> >near future. >> > >> By whom? Not by Iran - they don't have any. > >They will have them in the near future. > ANYONE can buy them, so we should attack everyone? -- Al at Webdingers dot com "In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly submit to the decisions of the Holy Church." (page 77, _A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion_, Fr. Joseph De Harbe, S.J.) Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:31:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >google "USS Cole Iran" Why don't you just post the link to the article with the ACTUAL EVIDENCE that Iran was involved? -- Al at Webdingers dot com Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:19:30 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >Have you heard of the free exercise clause? Be prepared to die, then, since we must give Thuggees the right to freely exercise their religion - which includes killing people. "Free exercise" is LIMITED by ALL OTHER LAWS. It only means that the government can't pass a law whose only reason is to limit the exercise of religion. NOT making laws about religion (that's what Moore violated) isn't MAKING a law about religion at all, let alone one preventing the free exercise of a religion. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" - John Adams Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:28:51 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <u8gmi35mf26e2p6dfet4vfg24jd69t41fi@4ax.com>, Al Klein ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:42:27 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >Believe it or not, the plan is to make nuclear weapons. >> >> Not IRAN'S plans. We KNOW that they aren't building any plants to >> produce weapons-grade fissionables. >> >> > Google "Iran nuclear weapons" and you will probably get thousands of hits. >> >> I Googled "Jason idiot" and I got 1,790,000 hits. So? >> >> >You are living in a dream world if you believe that a nation that has >> >hundreds of oil wells is spending millions of dollars to produce electric >> >power. >> >> What else would they use electric generators (which is what they ARE >> building) for? Artificial lightning? >> >> > The truth is that the end goal is to make nuclear weapons >> >> then we have nothing to worry about. Anyone who thinks he can create >> weapons-grade fissionables in the reactors Iran is building doesn't >> know enough to produce bombs. Or much of anything else. >> >> >Oil can be used to produce electric power. >> >> It's A LOT more economically efficient to sell the oil and produce >> electricity with nuclear reactors. More ecologically efficient too. >> >> So your PROOF that Iran is producing, or even attempting to produce, >> WEAPONS-GRADE nuclear material is? > >Why bother testing nuclear-capable missiles if Iran does not plan to >eventually place nuclear war heads on those missiles. IOW you have none, but you'd violate the COMMAND of your god to not kill, just because of your blood-lust to kill, and violate the COMMAND of your god to not bear false witness to justify it. You're the kind of phony that gives hypocrisy a bad name, Jason. -- Al at Webdingers dot com Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another. - Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832) Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:22:16 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <5p0qa3Fov6d5U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >> > I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in religious nut >> > cases like the president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran. >> >> We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be xian, moslem, >> etc., etc. > >When I advocated the destruction of the nuclear facilities in Iran, >various posters came to the defence of the religious nutcase in Iran. No, we merely attacked the religious nut cases like you. You'd destroy the entire world to keep Iran from producing electricity. How nutty is that? -- Al at Webdingers dot com "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:44:40 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <AVKWi.3515$nN3.2126@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, cactus ><cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: >> But what about their souls Jason? >They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that doctors >commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs. What about the people who ASK the doctors to kill them? They're committing suicide, yet you say it should be allowed, in violation of your religion. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "God is a word that describes emptiness. It is the word given to an absence . . . of information, of comprehension, of answers. The idea of God grows in the way a balloon grows, a membrane inflated by ignorance." - Phillip Adams Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:42:26 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >I would not do it regardless of the situtation since I am NOT a doctor. >Doctors know when a patient is near death. If I was a doctor, I would >consider mercy killing related to certain situations. For example, if I >had a "signed copy of the living will" and various relatives that wanted >me to conduct a mercy killing--I would seek a court order that authorized >me to disconnent all machines that were keeping my patient alive. Which you wouldn't get, since you have no legal standing to request such an order. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence, from Jerusalem, of a lunatic asylum." - Havelock Ellis Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:46:54 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >I'm hoping the rapture will happen soon. I'm hoping your personal rapture will happen soon. You can hasten it by making sure that you always stand outside, in the clear, holding a 10 foot long metal pole in a vertical position, any time there's any lightning in the sky. >After that--you won't have to >worry about having to deal with Christians. Buy Gold--it will really help >you since money will be worth nothing. Money only has worth as long as Christians exist? Jason, if every Christian disappeared tonight at midnight, the only difference to most people next week would be that the dollar would probably start gaining value. Oh, and there'd be a lot more resources left for everyone else. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything more than your existence in it." - Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy" Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:16:09 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <5p0qllFp0mepU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> Prove there's a 9th dimension. > >I'll tell you exactly where it is. It's between the 8th and the 10th >dimension ) That's about like saying that depth is between height and width. It makes less sense than most things you say. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code." - Mark Twain, a Biography Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:22:58 -0400, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote: >On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:18:17 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> >wrote: > >>Jason wrote: >>> I did not save that report. I found it by conducting a google search for >>> "Anal Sex Africa" and got lots of hits. The report indicated that it's >>> common for African men to have anal sex with women. >> >>No, it didn't, Jason. Please don't lie. It said that they MIGHT have >>more anal sex and that MIGHT be why they have a higher rate of AIDS. The >>report, like you, offered nothing in the way of evidence to support >>this, how-ever. > >Heterosexual anal sex is a form of birth control that was used before >more modern methods like condoms, IUDs, the pill etc became available. >It wouldn't surprise me if it is still used that way in many third >world countries. Unfortunately, not often enough by Christians. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed." - Bertrand Russell Quote
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