Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:11:10 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <5p0qj1Fo5dddU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> BTW, there was nothing to stop him from divorcing Terry. >He did not want to do that. Was he a Catholic? I seem to recall reading >that Catholics don't believe in divorce. They call it "annulment". Aside from alimony, child support and turning any children they had into bastards, it's the same thing, if a lot less honest. -- Al at Webdingers dot com If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:18:58 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >Let's say that you were president of America. The president of Iran >clearly states: "Israel must be wiped off from the map of the world". You >know that he already has missiles. You also know that he is in the process >of making nuclear materials that can later be used to make nuclear >warheads Your assumption - which is contrary to fact. Nuclear fuel CAN NOT "later be used to make nuclear warheads", any more than bread dough can later be used to make tomato juice. >The head of the CIA shows you satellite photos of people in Iran mounting >warheads on several missiles. Hasn't happened. >My answer would be to destroy the missiles and nuclear facilities in Iran. Because you're a bloodthirsty maniac, the same as Bush, and FAR worse than Ahmadinejad. >This report was from the Wasington Post. >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57465-2004Nov17.html >washingtonpost.com > >Powell Says Iran Is Pursuing Bomb Powell also said that Hussein was trying to buy yellowcake in Africa, so one thing we can be CERTAIN of is that Iran is NOT pursuing the bomb. >Evidence Cited of Effort to Adapt Missile He had "evidence" that Hussein was trying to buy yellowcake too. >Thursday, November 18, 2004 We've learned, in the 3 years since, that a) Powell was saying anything Bush was telling him to say and b) Iran IS NOT CAPABLE of producing weapons-grade material, nor is it working to gain this capability. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "Christianity has already had the chance to govern the world according to its own ethical standards. It was called the "Dark Ages". - Bill, The Avender Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:34:06 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <5orgofFoc0p3U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > I don't know which dimension in which heaven is located. >> Then what makes you think it's located in another dimension? >It's my opinion. I don't remember the name of the preacher that came up >with that idea. His idea made more sense than any other ideas I have >heard. Because you wouldn't understand valid science if someone fed it to you intravenously, but you've been raised on religious woo-hoo, so if it's religious it sounds sensible to you. IOW, you fall for any crazy idea like a ton of lead, as long as it's presented as something Christian, and refuse to entertain anything that contradicts Christian craziness. The mark of a complete and utter moron. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the spinal cord would fully suffice." - Albert Einstein Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:34:24 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <UYSdnev3vONE67TanZ2dnUVZ_vfinZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo >Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >> >>>I also seem to recall that they attacked one of our war ships. >> >> >> >>So has Israel. >> > >> > >> > That is true but I don't remember the details. >> >> So, I am confused. Are we supposed to attack Israel, too? > >No--they have no desire to take over the world or ever attack America. > Neither has Iran. And, unlike Iran, Israel actually has nukes and actually has the systems to deliver them with. But They're the :right" kind of loonies, and Iranians are the wrong kind of loonies, so you'd allow YOUR religion to destroy the world to keep it being destroyed by THEM. For the safety of the world, your kind should be locked away in windowless steel rooms with the doors welded shut. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ - to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion that we are after. Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less." - Republican political terrorist George Grant Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:23:05 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >55% of Americans agree with me related to this issue. Then you and 55% of Americans are too dangerous to be left alive. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire (1694 - 1778) Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:10:25 -0400, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >You make us out to be some big benevolent teddy bear, when you know we >are not. Two examples does not a trend make. Have we given the country >back to the "Indians"??? Jason is blind to examples that don't fit his preconceived notions. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "A truly unselfish act would be a Christian volunteering to have his soul take your soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath." - John Popelish Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >Please post an AP report indicating that the rulers of Iraq have decided >> >they no longer want our troops in Iraq. I have never read such a report. >> You assume they have a choice in the matter. >They had a vote about a year ago. Google it, Jason. You'll find a lot of hits showing that the leader of Iraq demanded, quite a few months ago, that we set a short date for withdrawal. Bush treated the demand like a kitten mewling - he completely ignored it. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." - Isaac Asimov Quote
Guest 655321 Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Al Klein wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:00:09 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> The president of Iran is a religious nut case. > > So is the president of the US. > >> Why do you trust him with nuclear-capable missiles > > Why do you trust Bush with nuclear-capable missiles or nuclear > materials? > >> or nuclear materials? > > What's wrong with nuclear materials? As long as you stay far enough > away from them (a mile is MORE than far enough), they're totally > harmless. (Ever have a coronary stress test? What they inject into > your IV is "nuclear material".) >> Read this CBS news story: >> >> >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/31/world/main1460846.shtml >> >> Iranian Shahab-3 ballistic missiles roll past during a military parade >> last September > > PROPAGANDA that's OVER TWO YEARS OLD. and proves NOTHING! It's all he has. It's all the Iran-hawks have. -- 655321 Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:40 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in <u02ni3pguo2b7p0oig1u04vidms269sr16@4ax.com>: >On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:31:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>google "USS Cole Iran" > >Why don't you just post the link to the article with the ACTUAL >EVIDENCE that Iran was involved? Cause he doesn't have any, of course. Quote
Guest 655321 Posted November 2, 2007 Posted November 2, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <h7rqv4-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:17:31 -0800, Jason wrote: >> >>> We both know that nuclear missiles will allow the president of Iran to do >>> exactly what he stated that he wants to do. >>> >>> 55 percent of Americans agree with me related to this issue. >> Which means that approximately 135,512,976 people in your own country >> disagree with you. Never mind other countries. >> >> If it were anywhere near as clear-cut as you seem to think, why do almost >> half of the people in your own country disagree? > > Because they don't know what 55 percent of the American people knows. "Knows" is the exact wrong word there, Jason. The American public is, by and large, an uninformed collective of people who like it that way. (The character played by Stephen Colbert has it 100% correct when he rails against "Factanistas.") Like you, they feel that certain things are true and choose to believe so-called facts that legitimize their feelings. Fox Noise and other cable "news" entities like to feed that impulse. Like you, the people are easily manipulated by liars on the TeeVee. Not just to buy a certain brand of floor wax; but also to buy a heap of lies about the world around them. See how popular Bush was when he attacked Iraq? What facts did 55% of the American people "know" in 2002-03 that led them to support the foolhardy invasion of an autonomous country that was nowhere near a threat to the U.S. or its allies? How many of those "facts" turned out to be actual FACTS? -- 655321 Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:12:55 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: >What would this do to your immortal soul, Jason? It violates your >version of Christian doctrine. Jason's version of Christian doctrine is "Anything Jason wants is mandated." -- Al at Webdingers dot com "When people are nervous that they will offend you with their beliefs, it's usually because their beliefs are offensive." - Dave Zirin, The Nation, 6/13/2006 Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:13:25 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: >Jason wrote: >> They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that doctors >> commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs. >Source? He probably did a Google search on 'mercy killings', got over 2 million hits, and concluded that doctors do mercy killings every day. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "I've never had a problem with pollution. If God didn't want smoke in the air, he wouldn't have told us to burn witches." - Stephen Colbert Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:20:28 -0700, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >Jason wrote: >>> If it were anywhere near as clear-cut as you seem to think, why do almost >>> half of the people in your own country disagree? >> Because they don't know what 55 percent of the American people knows. >"Knows" is the exact wrong word there, Jason. The American public is, >by and large, an uninformed collective of people who like it that way. > (The character played by Stephen Colbert has it 100% correct when he >rails against "Factanistas.") > >Like you, they feel that certain things are true and choose to believe >so-called facts that legitimize their feelings. Fox Noise and other >cable "news" entities like to feed that impulse. > >Like you, the people are easily manipulated by liars on the TeeVee. Not >just to buy a certain brand of floor wax; but also to buy a heap of lies >about the world around them. > >See how popular Bush was when he attacked Iraq? What facts did 55% of >the American people "know" in 2002-03 that led them to support the >foolhardy invasion of an autonomous country that was nowhere near a >threat to the U.S. or its allies? How many of those "facts" turned out >to be actual FACTS? You're talking to one of that 55% of the American public that doesn't hear facts that contradict their feelings. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the spinal cord would fully suffice." - Albert Einstein Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 In article <IdNWi.3543$nN3.2807@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > Al Klein wrote: > > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:00:09 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> The president of Iran is a religious nut case. > > > > So is the president of the US. > > > >> Why do you trust him with nuclear-capable missiles > > > > Why do you trust Bush with nuclear-capable missiles or nuclear > > materials? > > > >> or nuclear materials? > > > > What's wrong with nuclear materials? As long as you stay far enough > > away from them (a mile is MORE than far enough), they're totally > > harmless. (Ever have a coronary stress test? What they inject into > > your IV is "nuclear material".) > >> Read this CBS news story: > >> > >> > >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/31/world/main1460846.shtml > >> > >> Iranian Shahab-3 ballistic missiles roll past during a military parade > >> last September > > > > PROPAGANDA that's OVER TWO YEARS OLD. and proves NOTHING! > > It's all he has. It's all the Iran-hawks have. > -- > 655321 The story may be over two years old but the missles could still be used once they finish work on the nuclear warheads. My Honda Accord is now 9 years old and still runs great. 2 or 3 old missiles still work great. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 In article <4pNWi.3546$nN3.1176@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <h7rqv4-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > >> > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:17:31 -0800, Jason wrote: > >> > >>> We both know that nuclear missiles will allow the president of Iran to do > >>> exactly what he stated that he wants to do. > >>> > >>> 55 percent of Americans agree with me related to this issue. > >> Which means that approximately 135,512,976 people in your own country > >> disagree with you. Never mind other countries. > >> > >> If it were anywhere near as clear-cut as you seem to think, why do almost > >> half of the people in your own country disagree? > > > > Because they don't know what 55 percent of the American people knows. > > "Knows" is the exact wrong word there, Jason. The American public is, > by and large, an uninformed collective of people who like it that way. > (The character played by Stephen Colbert has it 100% correct when he > rails against "Factanistas.") > > Like you, they feel that certain things are true and choose to believe > so-called facts that legitimize their feelings. Fox Noise and other > cable "news" entities like to feed that impulse. > > Like you, the people are easily manipulated by liars on the TeeVee. Not > just to buy a certain brand of floor wax; but also to buy a heap of lies > about the world around them. > > See how popular Bush was when he attacked Iraq? What facts did 55% of > the American people "know" in 2002-03 that led them to support the > foolhardy invasion of an autonomous country that was nowhere near a > threat to the U.S. or its allies? How many of those "facts" turned out > to be actual FACTS? > -- > 655321 Even less people support the members of Congress. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 In article <h9pni35dqntdgaie6rug1quf011jqm71n4@4ax.com>, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:13:25 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > > >Jason wrote: > > >> They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that doctors > >> commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs. > > >Source? > > He probably did a Google search on 'mercy killings', got over 2 > million hits, and concluded that doctors do mercy killings every day. Close--I recall reading an article about it in a magazine. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 In article <oj8ni35kmascj57bq46b1h1fehcq1s5hd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:40 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism > Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in > <u02ni3pguo2b7p0oig1u04vidms269sr16@4ax.com>: > >On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:31:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >>google "USS Cole Iran" > > > >Why don't you just post the link to the article with the ACTUAL > >EVIDENCE that Iran was involved? > > Cause he doesn't have any, of course. The only evidence that I could find was that many people believe that Iran may have been the country that made the C4. Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <MPG.219508a6202bdb4898a2a8@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >> In article <5p0qd2Fod26dU1@mid.individual.net>, witchypoo@broomstick.com >> says... >>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:Jason-3110071702060001@67-150-175-249.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>> In article <kg8ii3903hjb8u27imco3supu5oqluo5oo@4ax.com>, Al Klein >>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:18:45 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <fs8hi3p9uicde8hc9npmclr6r0cr3o7424@4ax.com>, Al Klein >>>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:00:34 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I disagree. Roy Mooore worships God. >>>>>>> Then why did he violate the law in an attempt to place a rock in a >>>>>>> court house? You usually make no sense, Jason, but this is stupid >>>>>>> even for you. >>>>>> I have heard Roy Moore preach a sermon and he mentioned in that sermon >>>>>> that he worships God. >>>>>> >>>>> Then why did he violate the law in an attempt to place a rock in a >>>>> court house? >>>> He claims to have the law on his side related to this issue. >>> He can claim whatever he wants, but he's still wrong. >>> >> The results, also, tend to show otherwise. >> If his claim were accurate, they wouldn't have had to haul that >> monstrosity off. >> >> Jim > > Have you heard of the free exercise clause? > > Just read about it. And? What does that have to do with having stone tablets of any religion in a court house (i.e. governmental building)? He can put those tablets in his front lawn, as many as he likes.... Tokay -- Alliance, n.: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <MPG.21941c079170a94898a2a3@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >> In article <Jason-0111071259500001@66-53-214-172.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com says... >>> In article <fgc7gk$32j$02$5@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <81klv4-drh.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [snips] >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:38:05 -0800, Jason wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL >>>>>> Bush says we should start a war in Iraq! For no justifiable reason! >>>>>> Which we can't get out of! Let's go kick some heathen butt! >>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, when religious loonies are in charge, you get problems. > Which isn't >>>>>> to say atheists in charge wouldn't have problems, either, but at least >>>>>> they're not living an entire life of delusions of magic and pixies and >>>>>> muddleheaded nonsense - nonsense which often induces horrific crimes in >>>>>> its name. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure you had a point, but other than demonstrating that religion >>>>>> should not be allowed in office - which we're happy to agree with - the >>>>>> point isn't clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, you mean it's okay if religion is in office as long as it's your >>>>>> religion, just not if it's the other guy's religion? Nah, can't > be. From >>>>>> the outside, they're about equally meaningless - and about equally >>>>>> dangerous. >>>>> America had no desire to take over the world. >>>> Looks different from here, I must say. >>>> >>>> Otherwise, Americans would >>>>> now have total control over Germany and Japan. >>>> Don't know about Japan, but we still have US military basis in Germany. >>>> And Berlin was ruled by the four powers after the second World War until >>>> 1989. So... What was your question again? >>>> >>>> The Muslims have made it >>>>> clear that their end goal is to take over the world. >>>> Nope. That is IRAN. Not Islam per se. If you want to argue by religious >>>> nutcases and their books.... the bible is no different from the Qu'ran >>>> in that respect. >>>> >>>> Tokay >>> We took over Germany and took over Japan. Did we keep ownership of those >>> two countries? >>> >> I guess those military bases we built were at their request. >> >> Here is a list of places we took recently : >> >> Palmyra Atoll >> Guam >> Northern Mariana Islands >> Puerto Rico >> United States Virgin Islands >> American Samoa >> Howland Island >> Jarvis Island >> Johnston Atoll >> Kingman Reef >> Petrel Islands >> Serranilla Bank >> Midway Islands >> Navassa Island >> Wake Island >> >> Let's not forget the entire US of A that was taken from its' >> inhabitants. >> >> >> Jim > > Do we have control over Germany and Japan? > > Germany, not any more. But that is rather recent. Tokay -- Alliance, n.: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <f34li317ifvnvvnvpfpfle3bq7iaaf8sj1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:49:59 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0111071849590001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >>> In article <g93li3lj75hc5g420kgtb3f3gjemmvb5e8@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:13 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-0111071819140001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >>>>> In article <hptki3pvvqss9cshtioh2cqoh8a45ml675@4ax.com>, Al Klein >>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:49:55 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> One other option would be for the CIA to fund opposition groups within >>>>>>> Iran such as the National Council for Resistance in Iran [NCRI]. >>>>>> One other option would be for us to keep our noses out of the internal >>>>>> affairs of other nations, like we want them to keep their noses out of >>>>>> ours. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you think that just because you're you, you have (or your country >>>>>> has) the right to tell other countries how to run themselves? >>>>> By following your plan, a nuclear missile will be fired at Israel in the >>>>> near future. >>>>> >>>> What nuclear missile? Your paranoid fantasies are hopeless. > > The president of Iran is a religious nut case. Why do you trust him with > nuclear-capable missiles or nuclear materials? Why do you? Same case, actually. And a bugger that probably believes Armageddon will be about in his life time as well.... AND has about a zillion times more destructive power at his disposal. Tokay -- Alliance, n.: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <51vki3h2c0f7a8r75hb7oh6tbjgvv2ucbs@4ax.com>, Al Klein > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:38:39 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>> In article <fgcuu8$v9f$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >>> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >>>> As usual, Jason can't read but simply asserts crap as fact that the >>>> article doesn't say. >>> It's an "educuated guess that Iran was involved." >> No, it's a conclusion in search of evidence. Because some idiot WANTS >> it to be Iran, it's his "educated guess". The "education" part is >> nonsense, since there absolutely no evidence of where the C-4 was >> made. There's no evidence that, even if it WAS made by Iran, the >> manufacturer or the country had any hand in using it. If an American >> soldier is killed in Iraq by a Russian AK-47 made in Russia, is Russia >> responsible for his death? >> >> I'll buy the "guess" part, though. Your justification for killing (at >> least) a few million people is A GUESS ? Typical Christian murderer >> - if you want to kill, you'll find - or make up - "evidence" to >> justify it. Are you sure that attacking Iran isn't a revelation you >> received from God? > > The fact that Iran is making nuclear weapons That is still not a fact. Repeating it doesn't make it any more true. is the main reaon the nuclear > facilities Which produce power and NOT weaponusable fissionable material. > should be destroyed ASAP. Conclusion is therefor not based on anything that could even remotely be called "fact". > 55% of Americans agree with me. The world at large knows for quite some time now that the average american citizen (the AVERAGE. Which is reeeaally frightening...) has about 800 words at his disposal, can't find his hometown on a map of the USA, probably can't find the USA on a world map (most that don't know point to Europe.... since it is in the middle of most maps), thinks that Armageddon will come within the next 50 years and other stuff of the same coleur. So, what 55% of them believe can be basically ruled out as "False". Tokay (I KNOW there are some very intelligent americans... Which makes that "average" that much more frightening....) -- Alliance, n.: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <oj8ni35kmascj57bq46b1h1fehcq1s5hd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:40 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism >> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in >> <u02ni3pguo2b7p0oig1u04vidms269sr16@4ax.com>: >>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:31:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> >>>> google "USS Cole Iran" >>> Why don't you just post the link to the article with the ACTUAL >>> EVIDENCE that Iran was involved? >> Cause he doesn't have any, of course. > > The only evidence that I could find was that many people believe that Iran > may have been the country that made the C4. > > And? It could have been any country that produces C4.... which could be ANY country. Maybe not some of the tiny ones.... I doubt Lichtenstein produces C4.... Monaco probably doesn't as well. Tokay -- Alliance, n.: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <k5qki3h3a4ipp37tb5e6hcedvn8m8tkaev@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:20:14 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3110072120540001@66.53.221.39>: >>> In article <61eii3he08kkrhtt4c3m18r482hi18lbet@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:06:34 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-3110071706350001@67-150-175-249.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >>>>> In article <097ii35na1tem8b4ormhj2tsromi88daqp@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:08:55 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>> <Jason-3110071608550001@67-150-124-24.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >>>>>>> In article <3p4ii3pu7vf0m7788kbvnjptfdbccnfmvh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:13:37 -0400, in alt.atheism >>>>>>>> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>> <29ahi3houucl8cvb6s8a4no2mlaji3tn1l@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:08:54 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How many times has Iran attacked America? >>>>>>>>> None. >>>>>>>> Niggling little criticism. Attacking an embassy or consulate > does count >>>>>>>> as attacking a country (see flap about US bombing of Chinese > Embassy). >>>>>>>> Of course Jason is still way off base. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hint: Defending isn't attacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How many times has the US made UNPROVOKED attacks on the > Middle East. >>>>>>>>> Hint: Many, many times, both directly and through clients - > during one >>>>>>>>> such attack we were counter-attacked. >>>>>>> I also seem to recall that they attacked one of our war ships. >>>>>> Which one? Before or after we shot one of their civiliam planes out of >>>>>> the sky? >>>>> I believe it was the USS Cole (spelling ??) >>>> Please point to anywhere that claims that Iran attacked the USS Cole. As >>>> far as I was aware, the concensus was that al Qaeda did it. >>> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/11/01/cole.investigation/index.html >>> >>> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- C-4, an advanced plastic explosive, was used in the >>> attack on the USS Cole, according to Yemen's prime minister and sources >>> close to the U.S. investigation. >>> >>> The prime minister, Abdul Karim al-Ariani, told CNN the use of C-4 points >>> to what he called "an Afghan connection" but does not necessarily >>> implicate Osama bin Laden, the alleged mastermind of other attacks on U.S. >>> targets abroad. >>> >>> "I will only guess that such a thing could be organized by an Afghan >>> connection," the prime minister said. "But the question being raised, 'Is >>> it bin Laden?' I could not say yes or no." >>> >>> The United States and many other countries have signed a pact mandating >>> that plastic explosives be tagged with selected chemical marking agents to >>> facilitate their detection. >>> >>> That agreement was negotiated in the wake of the 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 >>> bombing and is aimed at combating the use of plastic explosives by >>> terrorists. >>> Iran also makes C-4 >>> >>> The FBI refused to comment on the results of its forensic analysis or any >>> other aspect of its continuing investigation, but well-placed sources >>> familiar with the probe confirmed C-4 was the explosive used. >>> >>> The sources said the finding narrows the investigation to which terrorist >>> groups -- including that of the Afghanistan-based bin Laden -- are >>> believed to have access to the military-style explosive. The finding >>> suggests the possibility of state-sponsored terrorism, sources said. >>> >>> Although C-4, which contains the explosive material RDX (Research >>> Development Explosive), is primarily manufactured in the United States, >>> forms of C-4 are made in Austria, Iran and other countries, according to >>> knowledgeable sources. >>> >>> But the sources provided no other evidence to suggest involvement by any >>> of those countries. Two sources familiar with the Cole investigation say >>> the C-4 finding has placed Iran on the radar for investigators, but one >>> source said that suspecting Iran would be merely the result of "an >>> educated guess." >>> >>> The sources stressed the investigation is still in the early stages, and >>> no one is predicting where it may ultimately lead. Bin Laden's network >>> remains on the list of potential suspects. >>> >>> Seventeen U.S. sailors were killed and more than three dozen others >>> injured in the October 12 attack. The explosion tore a 40-by-40 foot hole >>> in the side of the destroyer. >>> >>> Citing "credible threat information" against U.S. targets in Saudi Arabia >>> and Kuwait, all U.S. forces in those Persian Gulf countries have been >>> placed on the highest state of alert. >>> Interrogation progress reported >>> >>> The urgency of the Cole investigation has prompted the FBI to keep some >>> units in its crime lab operating around the clock. >>> >>> Explosives experts, metallurgists and other scientists are continuing to >>> analyze the extensive array of evidence brought back from the bomb-damaged >>> destroyer, the Port of Aden and other locations, including the house where >>> the bomb was believed to have been constructed. >>> >>> The Yemeni prime minister told CNN on Wednesday there is no question that >>> Yemeni citizens helped the bombers falsify their identity cards. But he >>> said there is now some question about whether Yemenis had helped the >>> attackers prepare their small boat for the bombing on the Cole. >>> >>> Sources familiar with the investigation did not dispute the prime >>> minister's statements. >>> >>> Yemeni and U.S. officials appear to be making progress toward resolving >>> their disagreements over how to proceed with the investigation. >>> >>> U.S. sources agree with the al-Ariani's statement to CNN that an >>> arrangement under discussion calls for FBI agents to be present as Yemeni >>> police question their own citizens. FBI agents would be allowed to write >>> down any follow-up questions and hand them to Yemeni investigators. >>> >>> "There are still a few matters to be resolved," said one U.S. official >>> Wednesday. The official said that in return for allowing the FBI presence >>> during questioning, the Yemeni government was looking for information from >>> the U.S., but the official would not say what was being requested. >>> >>> Yemeni law forbids the questioning of Yemeni citizens by authorities from >>> other countries. >>> >>> The FBI faced a similar situation in Saudi Arabia during the investigation >>> of the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing which killed 19 U.S. servicemen, sources >>> said. But they noted Yemen has so far been more flexible than the Saudi >>> authorities were. >>> >>> CNN Senior International Correspondent Walter Rodgers and The Associated >>> Press contributed to this report. >>> >> Since the article did not say that Iran had anything to do with it, you >> concluded that Iran did. If there were a God He would have killed you >> long ago for making him look bad. > > Read the following statement which is from the above report. I agree that > it is an educated guess that Iran was involved: > >> But the sources provided no other evidence to suggest involvement by any >> of those countries. Two sources familiar with the Cole investigation say >> the C-4 finding has placed Iran on the radar for investigators, but one >> source said that suspecting Iran would be merely the result of "an >> educated guess." > > Ehm. Jason, you are pissing on your own feet AGAIN.... Tokay -- Alliance, n.: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Quote
Guest The Chief Instigator Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: >In article <fgf89f$93i$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike ><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> Jason wrote: >> > Iran is the problem since they have a religious nut case as a president. >> Jason, you've already sat there and admitted that you'd rather see >> 8,000,000 people definitely die in NYC rather than blow up a sub full of >> "religious nut case" and some kids when those "religious nut case" >> are definitely armed with multiple nukes and ready, willing and able to >> use them in a matter of hours. Now you want to blow up the "religious >> nut case" as well as possibly thousands of innocent people in order >> to POSSIBLY save several million when you don't know if these "religious >> nut case" even HAVE any nukes at all yet, much less the authority or >> will to use them. >> Can you get any MORE deranged? >55% of Americans agree with me related to this issue. You mean, 55% of people who responded to a poll might agree with you on that issue. -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Houston 3, Lake Erie 2 (November 2) NEXT GAME: Sunday, November 4 vs. Lake Erie, 4:05 Quote
Guest Ralph Posted November 3, 2007 Posted November 3, 2007 "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:h9pni35dqntdgaie6rug1quf011jqm71n4@4ax.com... > On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:13:25 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote: > >>Jason wrote: > >>> They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that >>> doctors >>> commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs. > >>Source? > > He probably did a Google search on 'mercy killings', got over 2 > million hits, and concluded that doctors do mercy killings every day. > -- > Al at Webdingers dot com > "I've never had a problem with pollution. If God didn't want smoke in the > air, > he wouldn't have told us to burn witches." > - Stephen Colbert If you google 'Jason' and 'asshole' you come up with 1,040,000 hits. Ask the fool the significance of that! Quote
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