Evolution is Just Junk Science

[Guest Mike]

Jason wrote:

> In article <rbtpi35q3qu5jjt9pldcje1pkletqbjs37@4ax.com>, Al Klein

> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:01:42 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>>> In article <h9pni35dqntdgaie6rug1quf011jqm71n4@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:13:25 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Jason wrote:

>>>>>> They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that

> doctors

>>>>>> commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs.

>>>>> Source?

>>>> He probably did a Google search on 'mercy killings', got over 2

>>>> million hits, and concluded that doctors do mercy killings every day.

>>> Close--I recall reading an article about it in a magazine.

>> Which you can't quote, or even give us a reference to. And we're

>> supposed to trust the memory of someone who claimed, for weeks, that

>> he has drug-induced memory problems?

>

> Are you stating that doctors do not conduct any mercy killings? In one

> state, it is now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. Ask any

> nurse if they know about any mercy killings. I know two local nurses.

 

Jason: a bear shits in the woods millions of times a day.

 

Someone else: no, it doesn't.

 

Jason: So you're saying bears don't shit in the woods at all?

 

Really great example of piss-poor logic, Jason. Just because someone

denies that something happens as often as you claim it does, they aren't

saying it NEVER happens.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:40:45 -0400, Al Klein wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:16:09 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>>In article <5p0qllFp0mepU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>>> Prove there's a 9th dimension.

>>

>>I'll tell you exactly where it is. It's between the 8th and the 10th

>>dimension )

>

> That's about like saying that depth is between height and width. It

> makes less sense than most things you say.

 

Which is, let's be honest, quite the feat in and of itself.

[Guest stoney]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:55:02 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote:

 

[piggybacking]

>Jason wrote:

>> In article <hlchv4-e37.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> [snips]

>>>

>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>>

>>>>> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of

>>>>> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to.

>>>> Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would

>>>> be heaven--what is your choice?

>>> My choice would be to be worm food.

>>>

>>> However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose

>>> hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but

>>> at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of

>>> yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which

>>> would be the only thing I'd have left.

>>

>> Instead of having to put up with God--you will have to put up with Satan.

 

Dang you're brainless. One doesn't have to put up with imaginary

characters. Unfortunately, we do have to put up with mindless

droolers prattling about them.

 

[]

[Guest stoney]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:14:57 +0100, Tokay Pino Gris

<tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>Jason wrote:

>> In article <tuefi3p2v1aknfg133v7r2594kgl9l1ji1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>>

>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:50:24 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

>>> <Jason-3010071250250001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>>>> In article <fg7db2$d3d$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

>>>> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Jason wrote:

>>>>>> The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most

>>>>>> Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life

>>>>>> in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine

>>>>>> the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death

>>>>>> for committing adultery.

>>>>> Ok, Jason, let's see how much attention you pay to the 10 commandments

>>>>> (and possibly get you to finally understand that there is no "one right

>>>>> answer" in all circumstances.)

>>>>>

>>>>> There is a religious group (doesn't matter who other than they aren't

>>>>> xians) who have become convinced that a 2 year old living in NY is the

>>>>> "antichrist" of their religion. They are desperate to kill this child or

>>>>> have it killed. They don't care about what penalty they'd pay and, other

>>>>> than this, they are a very peaceful group. They have repeatly tried, at

>>>>> great expense of money and life, to kill this child.

>>>>>

>>>>> They have taken control of a nuclear sub and have several children as

>>>>> hostages in the sub. The sub is in 300' of water off the coast of NY.

>>>>> They know the launch codes for the nukes. There is no way possible to

>>>>> get the children out of the sub and dropping depth charges will kill all

>>>>> on board. You are in charge of the naval ships that could drop such

>> charges.

>>>>> They have sent a demand to you: Personally kill the child on live TV by

>>>>> 5:00pm, at which time we will surface the sub and surrender, or we

>>>>> launch a nuke on NYC which will kill the child and then we will surface

>>>>> and surrender. Based on your knowledge of the religion, etc. you know

>>>>> that they will keep their word on the surrender.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now your only options are:

>>>>>

>>>>> 1: Kill the child yourself.

>>>>>

>>>>> 2: Drop depth charges on the sub, killing them but also killing several

>>>>> children on board.

>>>>>

>>>>> 3: Do nothing and let them nuke NYC, thus killing the child as well as

>>>>> many others.

>>>>>

>>>>> NO other options (such as "we won't vote at all and just pray that a

>>>>> rescue ship comes by and gets us before we all die of thirst." or "I'll

>>>>> wait to see if I can get a clear shot.") are available.

>>>>>

>>>>> What are you going to do?

>>>>>

>>>>> Personally, I'd kill the child. I wouldn't be happy at all about it and

>>>>> would probably need therapy for the rest of my life, but I'd see no

>>>>> other choice.

>>>>>

>>>>> Occasionally, you have no other choice but to kill an innocent person.

>>>> I would do nothing.

>>>>

>>> So, why would you choose to let NYC be nuked? Are you really persuaded

>>> that NYC is a den of iniquity and that God wants it nuked?

>>

>> Of the options you provided, it was my favorite.

>

>You chose the solution with the highest head count. Why?

 

It's that Christian love, compassion, empathy, and justice of his.

>> In relation to Iran, if you was president of the USA--would you attack the

>> nuclear facilities in Iran now or wait until after they fired several

>> nuclear tipped missiles at Israel?

>>

>> I answer first: I would order an attack on the nuclear facilities in Iran ASAP.

>

>Good thing you are not the president (Although I guess this bugger will

>eventually attack... Hopefully not with nuclear weaponry. Even he can't

>be that stupid).

 

Not that stupid. Even more stupid, yes.

>You have no evidence that these facilities are de facto for building

>nuclear weapons. So, you would attack on basis of what? The word of that

>bugger from Iran? What if he is bluffing?

>Of course, what if he is not bluffing?

>

>Politics and especially international politics are not black and white.

 

It's brown, smells terribly and attracts flies in their multitudes.

[Guest stoney]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:47:04 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:09:09 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>>In article <t2dii3lrumssluaspo3rqab0f9o133r27h@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>>> Yes - upholding the "liberal" Constitution. Face it, Jason, you live

>>> in a nation that BY LAW is liberal and secular. Tying to make it

>>> conservative or sectarian is ILLEGAL.

>

>>The 10 commandments have been in American court houses hundreds of years.

>

>People have been speeding since speed limits were invented. It's

>still ILLEGAL to speed.

>

>>Due to the actions of the ACLU and liberal judges, 10 commandment displays

>>are now considered to be illegal.

>

>No! Due to the actions of the ACLU and liberal judges, 10 commandment

>displays have been pointed out to have ALWAYS been illegal.

>

>> Believe it or not, liberal judges have

>>an agenda. Their agendas are more important to them than the constitution.

>

>Believe it or not, telling a whopper more than once doesn't make the

>lie true, even though Christianity anticipated Hitler by 1,600 years.

>

>The government CAN NOT make ANY law about religion, INCLUDING a law to

>put a copy of the 10 commandments in a courthouse. That it does so

>doesn't negate the Constitution, it just means that the government has

>been violating the law for 228 years.

 

Christians are so humble that laws and Constitutions they've sworn to

defend and uphold do not apply to them.

[Guest stoney]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:28:37 -0400, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>news:Jason-3110071702060001@67-150-175-249.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>> In article <kg8ii3903hjb8u27imco3supu5oqluo5oo@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>

>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:18:45 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>>

>>> >In article <fs8hi3p9uicde8hc9npmclr6r0cr3o7424@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>>> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>> >

>>> >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:00:34 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>> >>

>>> >> >I disagree. Roy Mooore worships God.

>>> >>

>>> >> Then why did he violate the law in an attempt to place a rock in a

>>> >> court house? You usually make no sense, Jason, but this is stupid

>>> >> even for you.

>>> >

>>> >I have heard Roy Moore preach a sermon and he mentioned in that sermon

>>> >that he worships God.

>>> >

>>> Then why did he violate the law in an attempt to place a rock in a

>>> court house?

>>

>> He claims to have the law on his side related to this issue.

>

>He can claim whatever he wants, but he's still wrong.

 

He's partaking of the lovely Christian Sacrament of lying.

[Guest stoney]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:30:19 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:03:12 +0100, Tokay Pino Gris

><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>

>>Jason wrote:

>

>>> Have you heard of the free exercise clause?

>

>>Just read about it. And? What does that have to do with having stone

>>tablets of any religion in a court house (i.e. governmental building)?

>

>>He can put those tablets in his front lawn, as many as he likes....

>

>Many of the God-soaked think that "free" means "license", and they can

>do anything at all as long as they invoke "free exercise". As witness

>Westboro Baptist Church demonstrating at funerals. They've just been

>hit with an ELEVEN MILLION DOLLAR judgment for disrupting a funeral,

>regardless of their claims of religious freedom and free speech.

 

Yes, they have!

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:41:53 -0800, Jason wrote:

> Did you know that many of the people that campaign at abortion clinics

> have been sued? They now have to campaign far away from the entrance of

> abortion clinics.

 

Based on certain past incidents, one might argue anywhere within sniper

range is too close. Keep 'em back, oh, five miles.

 

--

Suicide is the most sincere form of self-criticism.

[Guest stoney]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:24:24 -0400, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>news:Jason-0111071837500001@66-53-216-211.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>> In article <fgdkp4$qd2$00$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>>

>>> Jason wrote:

>>> > In article <fgc7u9$32j$02$8@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

>>> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>>> >

>>> >> Jason wrote:

>>> >>> In article <MPG.2192bf729011ee7498a297@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,

>>> >>> James

>>> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>>> >>>

>>> >>>> In article <Jason-3110071313440001@67-150-123-199.lsan.mdsg-

>>> >>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says...

>>> >>>>> In article <l79hi3tc5n5ncp4440nt82vhvijdm0pqgj@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>>> >>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>> >>>>>

>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason)

>>> >>>>>> wrote:

>>> >>>>>>

>>> >>>>>>> If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear

>> materials to

>>> >>>>>>> be used for peaceful purposes

>>> >>>>>> The SCIENTISTS who have inspected the facilities KNOW he is.

>>> >>>>> Nuclear materials can be used to make nuclear weapons.

>>> >>>>>

>>> >>>> Ah, but it has to be CERTAIN materials.

>>> >>> Iran either already has those CERTAIN materials or can easily buy

>>> >>> those

>>> >>> CERTAIN materials.

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >> Buy? Sure... but why build a nuclear power plant then?

>>> >>

>>> >> Oh, maybe power?

>>> >>

>>> >> Tokay

>>> >

>>> > So they can start an assembly line for the production of nuclear

>>> > weapons.

>>>

>>> Nope. Not yet. Not on their own.

>>>

>>> >

>>> > The goal is to buy the machines, computers, reactors, uranium and

>>> > anything

>>> > else that is needed to produce nuclear materials and nuclear weapons.

>>>

>>> Well, that is true for almost any country. Compared to what the running

>>> of a country actually does cost, the prices of nuclear weapons are

>>> peanuts. What you want to do? Nuke us all?

>>>

>>> >

>>> > Why waste money buying nuclear weapons when it is possible to produce

>>> > their own nuclear weapons for many years to come.

>>>

>>> They can't. The don't have the facilities to do that.

>>>

>>> There are many cities in

>>> > America and Europe that they want to nuke so many nuclear weapons will

>>> > be

>>> > needed.

>>>

>>> Conjecture. I.E. no evidence.

>>>

>>> >

>>> > A farmer could buy all of the milk that is needed for his family but it

>>> > would be much better if the farmer purchased 4 cows and produced enough

>>> > milk not only for his family but also milk to sell to his neighbors.

>>>

>>> What bullshit is this example? The farmer could also buy a bazooka and

>>> kill his neighbor. Why make one on his own?

>>>

>>>

>>> Tokay

>>

>> The end goal of people like the president of Iran is to take over the

>> world. Read this:

>

>So, why don't you get your lazy ass over there and assassinate him already?

 

That would require him to actually get off his ass.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:19:30 -0800, Jason wrote:

> Have you heard of the free exercise clause?

 

Yes. It means that government cannot stop you founding, promoting, or

practising a religion. If you want to spend your own dollars to do so on

your own time and your own property, so be it.

 

However, as soon as you try to use state money, or state-funded

functions, or state-funded spaces to do so, you are no longer doing this;

you are now asking _me_ (via my taxes) to fund the promotion of _your_

religion.

 

If I want to fund your religion, I'll do so via donations. Not through

taxes. Those are meant for things such as health care and roads and

schools - not promotion of Jason's pet belief system.

 

You want to put up a 10-foot-tall tablet of the ten commandments on your

front lawn, or on your church's front lawn, go right ahead. I won't stop

you, and frankly, I'm happy to help stop those who might try to stop you.

 

You want to do it in a courtroom, however, guess what? My taxes pay for

that room. They pay for the proceedings which go on there. They pay for

the upkeep. Since _I_ am (in part) paying for it, why would I want - or

allow - a symbol of someone _else's_ religion there?

 

Hell, there are even ways to use public venues for such things. Hold a

parade: you have just as much right to do so as the gays or the peaceniks,

feel free, I won't stop you - as long as you do it properly, with

requisite permits and the like, same as everyone else.

 

There are appropriate venues. A court is a "public" place of sorts, but

with the express intention of being a place run by and representing the

state. A street is likewise a public place, but without the

representation of state. One is an appropriate venue for touting one's

horn, the other isn't.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:00:09 -0800, Jason wrote:

> The president of Iran is a religious nut case. Why do you trust him with

> nuclear-capable missiles or nuclear materials?

 

Bush is a religious nut case - why aren't you whining about American

nuclear capability?

 

Oh, right, because a religious nut case is just fine and dandy, as long as

it's _your_ religion involved.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:29:34 -0800, Jason wrote:

> Iran proudly displayed their long range missiles during a major parade. I

> saw a picture of them on a website.

 

As opposed to the American military, which has never shown off a single

piece of its arsenal.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:25:30 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> About the same as any other nation (except those that already have

>> nukes - LIKE THE US).

>

> They have already modified their long range missiles so that nuclear

> warheads can be mounted on them.

 

Goodie. And the US has several thousand nukes ready to go and the

"distinction" of being the only nation in the world to actually have used

nukes in combat. Oh, and they're led by a religious nut case.

 

You persist in ignoring this, for some reason. Oh, right - because a

religious nut case is fine, as long as he's _your_ religion.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:30:34 -0800, Jason wrote:

> It's much easier to fire cruise missles at the nuclear facilities in Iran

> or use our bombers to drop bunker buster bombs on their nuclear

> facilities.

 

Far-reaching technical operations in which any of a thousand things can go

wrong, and in which even if everything goes right, collateral damage is

significant.

> I don't have the skills needed to assassinate any person.

 

Beating someone over the head with a stick does not require significant

skill.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:28:14 -0800, Jason wrote:

> In article <oj8ni35kmascj57bq46b1h1fehcq1s5hd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:40 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism

>> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in

>> <u02ni3pguo2b7p0oig1u04vidms269sr16@4ax.com>:

>> >On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:31:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> >

>> >>google "USS Cole Iran"

>> >

>> >Why don't you just post the link to the article with the ACTUAL

>> >EVIDENCE that Iran was involved?

>>

>> Cause he doesn't have any, of course.

>

> The only evidence that I could find was that many people believe that Iran

> may have been the country that made the C4.

 

Many people also believe in invisible magic pixies in the sky. This

doesn't make them right, it simply makes them credulous.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:28:29 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> >> Many people (the majority of human beings, in fact) believe that Jesus

>> >> WAS NOT the son of any god. I guess that means that you'll be giving

>> >> up Christianity, right?

>> >

>> >You might let those people know that they were not alive when Jesus was on

>> >this earth so how would they know.

>>

>> Why do you think you know? Certainly you were not alive and the

>> provenance of the stories about Him is not solid.

>

> I believe the witnesses that were present and ALIVE during that time period.

 

But you weren't there to ensure that those people even existed, nor that

they witnessed anything, nor that the recorded it properly.

 

Thus, by your own argument, you cannot believe them, thus you cannot

believe their claims.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:36:26 -0800, Jason wrote:

> You appear to be a fan of a religious nut case.

 

No, we'd be quite pleased to have Bush out of office. Meanwhile, for some

reason, you persist in ignoring the fact he's a religious nut case with

his finger on the button, and that America has thousands of nukes ready to

go.

[Guest cactus]

stoney wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:55:02 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote:

>

> [piggybacking]

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> In article <hlchv4-e37.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> [snips]

>>>>

>>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of

>>>>>> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to.

>>>>> Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would

>>>>> be heaven--what is your choice?

>>>> My choice would be to be worm food.

>>>>

>>>> However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose

>>>> hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but

>>>> at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of

>>>> yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which

>>>> would be the only thing I'd have left.

>>> Instead of having to put up with God--you will have to put up with Satan.

>

> Dang you're brainless. One doesn't have to put up with imaginary

> characters. Unfortunately, we do have to put up with mindless

> droolers prattling about them.

>

> []

Were you talking to me?

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:46:54 -0800, Jason wrote:

> I'm hoping the rapture will happen soon.

 

That'd be nice. No more Christians to ruin things for everyone else.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:31:59 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> >Close--I recall reading an article about it in a magazine.

>>

>> Which you can't quote, or even give us a reference to. And we're

>> supposed to trust the memory of someone who claimed, for weeks, that

>> he has drug-induced memory problems?

> Are you stating that doctors do not conduct any mercy killings?

 

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. The statement you made, however, was not

that doctors conduct mercy killings, but that "doctors commit mercy

killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs."

 

So please demonstrate that there are at least two mercy killings, every

single day, performed by doctors, and that the majority - more than 50% -

are done using overdoses of the same group of drugs.

 

Meanwhile we're left with the obvious problem of Jason, an apparent

believer (or a Loki troll) claiming on the one hand that some things are

mortal sins, but others - including killing - apparently aren't, ignoring

some Biblical laws because they're inconvenient, applying others because

he likes them and mish-mashing the rest on a case-by-case basis.

 

Must be nice to be able to dictate to God what God actually means. It's

not like, oh, He'd caused a book of his laws to be written so people

wouldn't have the opportunity to claim ignorance, or choice about which

ones to accept.

[Guest stoney]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:38:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:50:11 +0100, Tokay Pino Gris

><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>

>>Jason wrote:

>>> In article <l79hi3tc5n5ncp4440nt82vhvijdm0pqgj@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to

>>>>> be used for peaceful purposes

>>>> The SCIENTISTS who have inspected the facilities KNOW he is.

>>>

>>> Nuclear materials can be used to make nuclear weapons.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>weeeell. No, not that easy. Plutonium can. Uranium 295 can. Uranium 298

>>can't. Well, not fission bombs anyway.

>>

>>Plutonium has to be created. In a special reactor. Uranium 295 has to be

>>collected.... rather tedious process....

>

>None of which Iran is even working toward today.

>

>But, what the hell, let's nuke them anyway, just to make sure that

>they don't get any ideas. It's better that Christians kill everyone

>than that Moslems kill anyone.

>

>(And for his next act in the Rubber Room, Jason will ...)

 

embrace the lady with the strap-on dildo.....

[Guest Al Klein]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:29:34 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> >The story may be over two years old but the missles

>>

>> That they didn't have?

>>

>> > could still be used

>> >once they finish work on the nuclear warheads.

>>

>> Which they aren't developing?

>>

>> >My Honda Accord is now 9 years old and still runs great. 2 or 3 old

>> >missiles still work great.

>>

>> Your Honda Civic doesn't run, though, does it? Or the Bughatti you're

>> not planning on buying?

>

>Iran proudly displayed their long range missiles during a major parade. I

>saw a picture of them on a website.

>

If it's justified to attack any nation with missiles, only a few

third-world nations can be allowed to survive. If it's not, attacking

Iran just because they have missiles isn't justified.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"The moral and religious teachings of no bible reach a higher altitude

than the intelligence and mental development of the age and country which

produced it."

- Kersey Graves

[Guest Al Klein]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:31:59 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <rbtpi35q3qu5jjt9pldcje1pkletqbjs37@4ax.com>, Al Klein

><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:01:42 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >In article <h9pni35dqntdgaie6rug1quf011jqm71n4@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>> >

>> >> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:13:25 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >Jason wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >> They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that

>doctors

>> >> >> commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs.

>> >>

>> >> >Source?

>> >>

>> >> He probably did a Google search on 'mercy killings', got over 2

>> >> million hits, and concluded that doctors do mercy killings every day.

>> >

>> >Close--I recall reading an article about it in a magazine.

>>

>> Which you can't quote, or even give us a reference to. And we're

>> supposed to trust the memory of someone who claimed, for weeks, that

>> he has drug-induced memory problems?

>

>Are you stating that doctors do not conduct any mercy killings?

 

No, I'm stating that you've offered no evidence to back up your

assertion that doctors commit mercy killings every day.

> In one state, it is now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings.

 

ONLY if the patient requests it.

> Ask any

>nurse if they know about any mercy killings. I know two local nurses.

 

I know dozens of nurses, That has nothing to do with your failure to

provide evidence to back up your claim.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the

threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'

disease, and many others, but I think a case can be

made that faith is one of the world's great evils,

comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to

eradicate."

- Richard Dawkins

[Guest Al Klein]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:33:22 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <jdtpi31jp62epc1ccrturfpdgtjiqng65v@4ax.com>, Al Klein

><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:28:14 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >In article <oj8ni35kmascj57bq46b1h1fehcq1s5hd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

>> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >

>> >> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:40 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism

>> >> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in

>> >> <u02ni3pguo2b7p0oig1u04vidms269sr16@4ax.com>:

>> >> >On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:31:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >>google "USS Cole Iran"

>> >> >

>> >> >Why don't you just post the link to the article with the ACTUAL

>> >> >EVIDENCE that Iran was involved?

>> >>

>> >> Cause he doesn't have any, of course.

>> >

>> >The only evidence that I could find was that many people believe that Iran

>> >may have been the country that made the C4.

>>

>> Many people (the majority of human beings, in fact) believe that Jesus

>> WAS NOT the son of any god. I guess that means that you'll be giving

>> up Christianity, right?

>

>You might let those people know that they were not alive when Jesus was on

>this earth so how would they know.

>

Neither were you, so how would you know? (Reading it in a book isn't

knowledge that it happened.)

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus

was not born of a virgin."

- Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]

[Guest Al Klein]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:28:29 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <62dqi35h2ng752jmu2uqnd261rlc62ipc2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:33:22 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

>> <Jason-0311071833220001@66-53-219-100.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>> >In article <jdtpi31jp62epc1ccrturfpdgtjiqng65v@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>> >

>> >> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:28:14 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >In article <oj8ni35kmascj57bq46b1h1fehcq1s5hd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

>> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:40 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism

>> >> >> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in

>> >> >> <u02ni3pguo2b7p0oig1u04vidms269sr16@4ax.com>:

>> >> >> >On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:31:31 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>google "USS Cole Iran"

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Why don't you just post the link to the article with the ACTUAL

>> >> >> >EVIDENCE that Iran was involved?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Cause he doesn't have any, of course.

>> >> >

>> >> >The only evidence that I could find was that many people believe that Iran

>> >> >may have been the country that made the C4.

>> >>

>> >> Many people (the majority of human beings, in fact) believe that Jesus

>> >> WAS NOT the son of any god. I guess that means that you'll be giving

>> >> up Christianity, right?

>> >

>> >You might let those people know that they were not alive when Jesus was on

>> >this earth so how would they know.

>>

>> Why do you think you know? Certainly you were not alive and the

>> provenance of the stories about Him is not solid.

>

>I believe

 

So do the people who believe he didn't exist. And that's ALL you

have - your belief. THEY have evidence.

> the witnesses that were present and ALIVE during that time period.

 

There were no 'witnesses' who left us any evidence, there were just

people who wrote stories, STARTING almost 100 years after it happened

(so the writers COULDN'T HAVE BEEN alive when it 'happened',

regardless of your belief.).

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president."

- George W. Bush, quoted in George Magazine, September, 2000

 

"God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith,

deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by

God to save Germany."

- Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler