Evolution is Just Junk Science

[Guest stoney]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:49:14 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:08:27 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>>In article <gtahi31b7fnaj3mpb8deh2kbfgcau1mj46@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>

>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:10:58 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>>

>>> >I have seen pictures of at least of Iran's nuclear facilities on a

>>> >television news show.

>>>

>>> Have you seen pictures of US nuclear facilities? (I live within the

>>> 10 mile evacuation zone of one.)

>>>

>>> What's the difference?

>>

>>

>>The president of Iran stated "Israel must be wiped off from the map of the

>>world."

>

>But he has no means to do it, so it's just empty rhetoric. Unlike

>your CHRISTIAN president who HAS killed over a million innocent people

>JUST TO MAKE A PROFIT.

>

>>Unless you are brain dead, you should now realize the

>>reason Iran has invested millions of dollars to develop nuclear materials.

>

>Unless you're brain dead, you should know the difference between

>reactor fuel and bomb material.

 

Jason's a fundy. Q.E.D..

[Guest stoney]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:39:30 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:46:54 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>>I'm hoping the rapture will happen soon.

>

>I'm hoping your personal rapture will happen soon. You can hasten it

>by making sure that you always stand outside, in the clear, holding a

>10 foot long metal pole in a vertical position, any time there's any

>lightning in the sky.

>

>>After that--you won't have to

>>worry about having to deal with Christians. Buy Gold--it will really help

>>you since money will be worth nothing.

>

>Money only has worth as long as Christians exist? Jason, if every

>Christian disappeared tonight at midnight,

 

....the world would become a safer place.

>the only difference to most

>people next week would be that the dollar would probably start gaining

>value. Oh, and there'd be a lot more resources left for everyone

>else.

[Guest stoney]

On 31 Oct 2007 15:23:56 -0500, The Chief Instigator

<patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:

>"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:

>

>>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>news:Jason-3010071234070001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>>> In article <5ooqgmFnnh1aU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>

>>>> snip

>

>>>> > If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect

>>>> > me to tell you the location of heaven.

>

>>>> Jason, you can't tell us the location of heaven because you know it

>>>> doesn't exist. Just admit it.

>

>>> location: another dimension

>

>>Prove it.

>

>Jason apparently spends most of his average day in an unknown dimension.

 

Unfortunately, its this one.

[Guest stoney]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:43:16 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:11:10 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>>In article <5p0qj1Fo5dddU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>>> BTW, there was nothing to stop him from divorcing Terry.

>

>>He did not want to do that. Was he a Catholic? I seem to recall reading

>>that Catholics don't believe in divorce.

>

>They call it "annulment". Aside from alimony, child support and

>turning any children they had into bastards, it's the same thing, if a

>lot less honest.

 

Honesty isn't RCC policy.

[Guest stoney]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:05:18 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:13:25 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote:

>

>>Jason wrote:

>

>>> They will have to be responsible for their own souls. I read that doctors

>>> commit mercy killings every day--mainly by over doses of certain drugs.

>

>>Source?

>

>He probably did a Google search on 'mercy killings', got over 2

>million hits, and concluded that doctors do mercy killings every day.

 

Mercy killing vs. the merciless superstition industry.

[Guest Al Klein]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:05:43 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:36:19 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

>wrote:

>

>>On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:42:51 +0100, Tokay Pino Gris

>><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Al Klein wrote:

>>

>>>> I think there are still 3 intelligent Christians alive. Maybe 4.

>>

>>>Ken Miller comes to mind. He claims to be a christian. How he does it, I

>>>don't know. But he claims it. Any others?

>>

>>My wife. My sister-in-law. My mother-in-law. Probably one priest I

>>know.

>>

>>My wife, sister-in-law and mother-in-law are Christians. That's about

>>the end of their religious involvement. The priest amazes me not

>>because he's intelligent, but because he's a priest. He's too

>>intelligent to fall for the nonsense.

>

>Yes, but such could be the easiest vehicle for him to assist others.

 

Which he does very well - he works with troubled youth.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

[Guest Al Klein]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:00:57 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:55:09 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason

><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>[snips]

>>

>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:39:04 -0400, Al Klein wrote:

>>

>>> We have NO trust in Bush. I'm surprised that so many so-called

>>> "Christians" refuse to admit that Bush is a VERY DANGEROUS religious

>>> nut.

>>

>>Ah, but you forget; he's _their_ religion, which means he is, by

>>definition, both right and justified, as well as safe and sound and

>>perfectly rational.

>>

>>Unlike believers in those other gods who are, by definition, unsafe,

>>unsound and dangerous, because they believe in silly, unfounded,

>>superstitious nonsense without a shred of justification, and those deities

>>they believe in and books they follow incite them to violence.

>>

>>I trust every Christian reading the above will fail, absolutely, to get

>>the point and actually apply it.

>

>And water is wet.

 

But God-water is dry. God says so.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."

-Jerry Falwell

[Guest Jason]

In article <GCMXi.52989$RX.12730@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, 655321

<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <5p0qa3Fov6d5U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >

> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

> >>

> >> snip

> >>> I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in religious nut

> >>> cases like the president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran.

> >> We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be xian,

moslem,

> >> etc., etc.

> >

> > When I advocated the destruction of the nuclear facilities in Iran,

> > various posters came to the defence of the religious nutcase in Iran.

>

> That's a lie, but who's surprised by now?

> --

> 655321

 

I seen several posts indicating that the president of Iran was NOT in the

process of developing nuclear weapons. Those people appeared to me to be

defending the president of Iran. If you disagree, so be it.

[Guest Jason]

In article <lhhvi31cf4fquef710o0vrihftgg63m8m6@4ax.com>, stoney

<stoney@the.net> wrote:

> On 31 Oct 2007 15:23:56 -0500, The Chief Instigator

> <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:

>

> >"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:

> >

> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

> >>news:Jason-3010071234070001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> >>> In article <5ooqgmFnnh1aU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >

> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

> >

> >>>> snip

> >

> >>>> > If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect

> >>>> > me to tell you the location of heaven.

> >

> >>>> Jason, you can't tell us the location of heaven because you know it

> >>>> doesn't exist. Just admit it.

> >

> >>> location: another dimension

> >

> >>Prove it.

> >

> >Jason apparently spends most of his average day in an unknown dimension.

>

> Unfortunately, its this one.

 

I will be glad when I am in the dimension that heaven is located.

[Guest Al Klein]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:16:06 GMT, 655321

<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>Jason wrote:

>> In article <5p0qa3Fov6d5U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>

>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>>

>>> snip

>>>> I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in religious nut

>>>> cases like the president of Iran and one of the chief clerics in Iran.

>>> We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be xian, moslem,

>>> etc., etc.

>>

>> When I advocated the destruction of the nuclear facilities in Iran,

>> various posters came to the defence of the religious nutcase in Iran.

>

>That's a lie, but who's surprised by now?

 

Allow me to be the first to not raise my hand.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly

submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."

(page 77, _A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion_, Fr. Joseph De

Harbe, S.J.)

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:39:21 -0800, Hiroshima Facts wrote:

> On Oct 31, 4:49 am, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> > The Muslims have made it

>> > clear that their end goal is to take over the world.

>>

>> Really? Which Muslims?

>

> Al-Qa'ida. (Though I wouldn't characterize them as representing the

> views of all Muslims.)

 

Kinda the point.

 

--

Don’t Panic.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:29:13 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> > I trust the testimony of the witnesses that were alive during that

> time period.

>> >

>> >

>>

>> Name one...

>>

>>

>> Tokay

>

> Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

 

And you, of course, were there to witness that they did, in fact, see the

events in question and recorded them properly, right?

 

Hmm... no, you weren't.

>> Many people (the majority of human beings, in fact) believe that Jesus

>> WAS NOT the son of any god. I guess that means that you'll be giving up

>> Christianity, right?

> You might let those people know that they were not alive when Jesus was

> on this earth so how would they know.

 

And we might let you know you weren't alive when those folks were

supposedly recording things, so how would you know if they got it right -

or saw it at all?

 

Ah, right, you wouldn't. So by your own argument you cannot use this as a

basis for anything. You do, though, in direct contradiction of your own

argument.

 

 

 

--

Only through Cheeses can one find Gouda....

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:30:58 -0800, Jason wrote:

> Have you ever taken a history course? Most of the info. in history book is

> based on the testimony of people that were alive hundreds or thousands of

> years ago.

 

And most history books don't make claims about miracles and signs and

portents and omnipotent beings, now do they?

 

We'll expect you to ignore this, though.

 

 

--

Prayer in school? Right after Plate Tectonics in church.

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:09:01 -0500, Al Klein wrote:

> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:27:06 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>>The nuclear warheads

>

> They have no nuclear warheads.

>

> They have no means of producing nuclear warheads.

>

> They have no means to produce the facilities needed to produce nuclear

> warheads.

>

> They have no plans to produce the facilities needed to produce nuclear

> warheads.

>

> The United States already has nuclear tipped missiles with range to

> reach anywhere on the planet, and it has a religious nut for a leader

> who can't wait for Armageddon.

>

> WHERE'S the problem?

 

Somewhere between Jason's left ear and his right.

 

--

Thou shalt not use pepper, nor allow it to be used. -- Robert Curry

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:25:12 -0800, Jason wrote:

> It will have to be a VERY large room since 55 percent of Americans agree

> with me related to this issue.

 

And once again Jason demonstrates his belief that if enough people believe

in something, it magically becomes real.

 

 

--

I’ll be satisfied when Jesus comes again and takes me away

-- Tenna Draper

So will we all. -- Steve Rose

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

 

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:28:38 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> > I don't have the skills needed to assassinate any person.

>>

>> Beating someone over the head with a stick does not require significant

>> skill.

>

> A long range sniper rifle would be needed

 

No, all that's actually needed is your hands: strangling someone requires

no rifles or other equipment. However, this is a little less certain than

simply bashing them over the head with a stick, so I recommend that action.

 

So let's see. Jason's excuse for not doing this is lack of requisite

skill, meaning he's not competent to hit someone over the head with a

stick. One wonders, then, how he operates a computer.

 

Of course, he _could_ be trying to say that he lacks the requisite skill

to ensure a kill _and_ get away. That may be true, but then if he's right

in his basic argument, he's putting his own life ahead of possibly

millions of others - refusing to take the risk, putting all those millions

at risk, simply to save his own skin.

 

How nice it must be to feel so important that your life is worth more than

those of a million or more others. One might wonder, though, just what

exactly you've ever done in your life that makes you so much more

important than all those people who, because of your inaction, will

(according to your story, at least) end up dead?

 

What justifies your worth over all of theirs? What makes you so

important?

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:48:38 -0500, Al Klein wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:22:46 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason

> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>[snips]

>>

>>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:46:54 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>

>>> I'm hoping the rapture will happen soon.

>>

>>That'd be nice. No more Christians to ruin things for everyone else.

>

> About as close to heaven as an atheist can get.

 

But it would be a "true" heaven: one where we still expect, sooner or

later, to die. Unlike the holy horror the Christians offer, with the

threat of that ultimate in suffering, eternal life.

 

Why anyone would regard eternal life as a _reward_ is beyond me.

 

--

HolySmoke: ‘A drive--by shooting on the information superhighway.’

-- Marty Leipzig

[Guest Robibnikoff]

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>

>>snip

>>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point

>>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

>>

>>Cite?

>

> Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it

> must be so.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

 

Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

--

Robyn

Resident Witchypoo

BAAWA Knight!

#1557

[Guest Robibnikoff]

"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

 

snip

> I will be glad when I am in the dimension that heaven is located.

 

I'm sure you won't be the only one

--

Robyn

Resident Witchypoo

BAAWA Knight!

#1557

[Guest Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:56 -0800, Jason wrote:

> In article <fvusi3d50icsp9d8ufee6j1b8edhc1eh6o@4ax.com>, Al Klein

> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:33:38 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >In article <v7gsi3ddancgq75k6p64qkmqrg4uo35ua5@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>> >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:31:59 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >> > Ask any

>> >> >nurse if they know about any mercy killings. I know two local nurses.

>>

>> >> I know dozens of nurses, That has nothing to do with your failure to

>> >> provide evidence to back up your claim.

>>

>> >If you choose to believe

>>

>> Don't you understand the difference between "choose to believe" (what

>> YOU do) and "there's no evidence" (my stand)?

>>

>> > that doctors do not conduct mercy killings on a regular basis

>>

>> You said "EVERY DAY", not "on a regular basis" (the US holds

>> presidential elections on a regular basis). So far there have been

>> fewer than 100 of them. If there have been fewer than 100 assisted

>> suicides in the history of the United States, there's nothing to

>> discuss.

>

> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point

> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day. That

> could mean that some doctors NEVER conduct mercy killings. There are

> efforts underway in California to make mercy killings legal.

 

I just read that statement, and the form and flow of it put me in mind of

another:

 

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being

very wasteful. How true that is."

 

Get it wrong, restate it incorrectly, follow up with something essentially

irrelevant and conclude you've said something worth saying.

 

You're actually Dan Quayle, aren't you?

[Guest Al Klein]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:56:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:43:16 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>

>wrote:

>

>>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:11:10 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>>>In article <5p0qj1Fo5dddU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>

>>>> BTW, there was nothing to stop him from divorcing Terry.

>>

>>>He did not want to do that. Was he a Catholic? I seem to recall reading

>>>that Catholics don't believe in divorce.

>>

>>They call it "annulment". Aside from alimony, child support and

>>turning any children they had into bastards, it's the same thing, if a

>>lot less honest.

>

>Honesty isn't RCC policy.

 

Or Christian policy. Just look at Jason, claiming to be a sane adult.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"For aught we know a priori, matter may contain the source, or spring, of order

originating within itself, as well as the mind does."

- David Hume, Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:08:38 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason

<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:48:38 -0500, Al Klein wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:22:46 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>[snips]

>>>

>>>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:46:54 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>>

>>>> I'm hoping the rapture will happen soon.

>>>

>>>That'd be nice. No more Christians to ruin things for everyone else.

>>

>> About as close to heaven as an atheist can get.

>

>But it would be a "true" heaven: one where we still expect, sooner or

>later, to die. Unlike the holy horror the Christians offer, with the

>threat of that ultimate in suffering, eternal life.

>

>Why anyone would regard eternal life as a _reward_ is beyond me.

 

Because you can eternally suck the Eternal Dick, much better than only

being able to suck it for a few hours every Sunday.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and

surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions

exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was

hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be

there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming

perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything

more than your existence in it."

- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"

[Guest James Beck]

In article <38l505-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, kbjarnason@gmail.com

says...

> [snips]

>

> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:25:12 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

> > It will have to be a VERY large room since 55 percent of Americans agree

> > with me related to this issue.

>

> And once again Jason demonstrates his belief that if enough people believe

> in something, it magically becomes real.

>

 

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

[Guest Al Klein]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:10:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>>

>>>snip

>>>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point

>>>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

>>>

>>>Cite?

>>

>> Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it

>> must be so.

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>

>Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

 

That's what he considers enough proof to justify killing millions of

innocent civilians - if he puts the term in question into Google, and

he gets a lot of hits, his assertion must be true. Would Google lie?

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

He is one of those orators of whom it was well said, 'Before they get up,

they do not know what they are going to say; when they are speaking they

do not know what they are saying; and when they have sat down they do not

know what they have said.'

- Winston Churchill

[Guest Masked Avenger]

Jason wrote:

> In article <2td105-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> [snips]

>>

>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:41:53 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>

>>> Did you know that many of the people that campaign at abortion clinics

>>> have been sued? They now have to campaign far away from the entrance of

>>> abortion clinics.

>> Based on certain past incidents, one might argue anywhere within sniper

>> range is too close. Keep 'em back, oh, five miles.

>

> Those same rules should apply to people that campaign at the funerals of

> soldiers.

>

>

 

 

but ... but ...Jason those people ( Phelps and his Baptist clan ) claim

they are 'true' Christians ...... just like you !

 

The good news is ......that they ( Phelps et al. ) just got there arses

kicked to the tune of $11 million ...... for their stupid hate crimes

........

 

--

MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....

 

Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity

.............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........

- A. Einstein

 

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