Guest Al Klein Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:12:12 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:56 -0800, Jason wrote: > >> In article <fvusi3d50icsp9d8ufee6j1b8edhc1eh6o@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:33:38 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> >>> >In article <v7gsi3ddancgq75k6p64qkmqrg4uo35ua5@4ax.com>, Al Klein >>> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >>> >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:31:59 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> >>> >> > Ask any >>> >> >nurse if they know about any mercy killings. I know two local nurses. >>> >>> >> I know dozens of nurses, That has nothing to do with your failure to >>> >> provide evidence to back up your claim. >>> >>> >If you choose to believe >>> >>> Don't you understand the difference between "choose to believe" (what >>> YOU do) and "there's no evidence" (my stand)? >>> >>> > that doctors do not conduct mercy killings on a regular basis >>> >>> You said "EVERY DAY", not "on a regular basis" (the US holds >>> presidential elections on a regular basis). So far there have been >>> fewer than 100 of them. If there have been fewer than 100 assisted >>> suicides in the history of the United States, there's nothing to >>> discuss. >> >> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point >> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day. That >> could mean that some doctors NEVER conduct mercy killings. There are >> efforts underway in California to make mercy killings legal. > >I just read that statement, and the form and flow of it put me in mind of >another: > >"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being >very wasteful. How true that is." > >Get it wrong, restate it incorrectly, follow up with something essentially >irrelevant and conclude you've said something worth saying. > >You're actually Dan Quayle, aren't you? Dan Quayle was a lot more intelligent than Jason. Even Shrub is more intelligent than Jason. -- Al at Webdingers dot com The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message > news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com... > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> > >>snip > >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point > >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day. > >> > >>Cite? > > > > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it > > must be so. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting. > > Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof? If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy killings--so be it. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <crc605-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:56 -0800, Jason wrote: > > > In article <fvusi3d50icsp9d8ufee6j1b8edhc1eh6o@4ax.com>, Al Klein > > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:33:38 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >> >In article <v7gsi3ddancgq75k6p64qkmqrg4uo35ua5@4ax.com>, Al Klein > >> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:31:59 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >> >> > Ask any > >> >> >nurse if they know about any mercy killings. I know two local nurses. > >> > >> >> I know dozens of nurses, That has nothing to do with your failure to > >> >> provide evidence to back up your claim. > >> > >> >If you choose to believe > >> > >> Don't you understand the difference between "choose to believe" (what > >> YOU do) and "there's no evidence" (my stand)? > >> > >> > that doctors do not conduct mercy killings on a regular basis > >> > >> You said "EVERY DAY", not "on a regular basis" (the US holds > >> presidential elections on a regular basis). So far there have been > >> fewer than 100 of them. If there have been fewer than 100 assisted > >> suicides in the history of the United States, there's nothing to > >> discuss. > > > > I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point > > was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day. That > > could mean that some doctors NEVER conduct mercy killings. There are > > efforts underway in California to make mercy killings legal. > > I just read that statement, and the form and flow of it put me in mind of > another: > > "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being > very wasteful. How true that is." > > Get it wrong, restate it incorrectly, follow up with something essentially > irrelevant and conclude you've said something worth saying. > > You're actually Dan Quayle, aren't you? In one state, it's now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. They are now trying to make mercy killings in Californa to be legal. Eventually, mercy killings will be legal in almost every state. If you believe that no doctors have ever done mercy killings--so be it. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <MPG.219a5e22e3be30b698a2b5@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <38l505-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, kbjarnason@gmail.com > says... > > [snips] > > > > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:25:12 -0800, Jason wrote: > > > > > It will have to be a VERY large room since 55 percent of Americans agree > > > with me related to this issue. > > > > And once again Jason demonstrates his belief that if enough people believe > > in something, it magically becomes real. > > > > http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm I made the point because one of the posters appeared to believe that I was the only person in the world that believed that America should fire cruise missiles at the nuclear facilities in Iran. One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used for peaceful purposes. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <fgq765$hoi$1@austar-news.austar.net.au>, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <2td105-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > >> > >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:41:53 -0800, Jason wrote: > >> > >>> Did you know that many of the people that campaign at abortion clinics > >>> have been sued? They now have to campaign far away from the entrance of > >>> abortion clinics. > >> Based on certain past incidents, one might argue anywhere within sniper > >> range is too close. Keep 'em back, oh, five miles. > > > > Those same rules should apply to people that campaign at the funerals of > > soldiers. > > > > > > > but ... but ...Jason those people ( Phelps and his Baptist clan ) claim > they are 'true' Christians ...... just like you ! > > The good news is ......that they ( Phelps et al. ) just got there arses > kicked to the tune of $11 million ...... for their stupid hate crimes > ....... They are not Christians like me. They have their own agenda. Just as there are lots of atheists that are nut cases--there are also Christians that are nut cases. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <5pbat8FpsqbuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > snip > > > I will be glad when I am in the dimension that heaven is located. > > I'm sure you won't be the only one That is 100% true. I know lots of Christians that are hoping that the rapture happens very soon. Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <crc605-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:56 -0800, Jason wrote: >> >>> In article <fvusi3d50icsp9d8ufee6j1b8edhc1eh6o@4ax.com>, Al Klein >>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:33:38 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <v7gsi3ddancgq75k6p64qkmqrg4uo35ua5@4ax.com>, Al Klein >>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:31:59 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>> Ask any >>>>>>> nurse if they know about any mercy killings. I know two local nurses. >>>>>> I know dozens of nurses, That has nothing to do with your failure to >>>>>> provide evidence to back up your claim. >>>>> If you choose to believe >>>> Don't you understand the difference between "choose to believe" (what >>>> YOU do) and "there's no evidence" (my stand)? >>>> >>>>> that doctors do not conduct mercy killings on a regular basis >>>> You said "EVERY DAY", not "on a regular basis" (the US holds >>>> presidential elections on a regular basis). So far there have been >>>> fewer than 100 of them. If there have been fewer than 100 assisted >>>> suicides in the history of the United States, there's nothing to >>>> discuss. >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day. That >>> could mean that some doctors NEVER conduct mercy killings. There are >>> efforts underway in California to make mercy killings legal. >> I just read that statement, and the form and flow of it put me in mind of >> another: >> >> "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being >> very wasteful. How true that is." >> >> Get it wrong, restate it incorrectly, follow up with something essentially >> irrelevant and conclude you've said something worth saying. >> >> You're actually Dan Quayle, aren't you? > > In one state, it's now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. They > are now trying to make mercy killings in Californa to be legal. > Eventually, mercy killings will be legal in almost every state. If you > believe that no doctors have ever done mercy killings--so be it. > > The question is STILL not whether or not it is legal. The question you so far failed to answer is, whether or not your god sends you to hell for it. Or are you so deluded that you think that this is the same? Tokay -- Reality is a figment of your imagination. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <fgql13$ikg$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <crc605-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:56 -0800, Jason wrote: > >> > >>> In article <fvusi3d50icsp9d8ufee6j1b8edhc1eh6o@4ax.com>, Al Klein > >>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:33:38 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> In article <v7gsi3ddancgq75k6p64qkmqrg4uo35ua5@4ax.com>, Al Klein > >>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:31:59 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>>> Ask any > >>>>>>> nurse if they know about any mercy killings. I know two local nurses. > >>>>>> I know dozens of nurses, That has nothing to do with your failure to > >>>>>> provide evidence to back up your claim. > >>>>> If you choose to believe > >>>> Don't you understand the difference between "choose to believe" (what > >>>> YOU do) and "there's no evidence" (my stand)? > >>>> > >>>>> that doctors do not conduct mercy killings on a regular basis > >>>> You said "EVERY DAY", not "on a regular basis" (the US holds > >>>> presidential elections on a regular basis). So far there have been > >>>> fewer than 100 of them. If there have been fewer than 100 assisted > >>>> suicides in the history of the United States, there's nothing to > >>>> discuss. > >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point > >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day. That > >>> could mean that some doctors NEVER conduct mercy killings. There are > >>> efforts underway in California to make mercy killings legal. > >> I just read that statement, and the form and flow of it put me in mind of > >> another: > >> > >> "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being > >> very wasteful. How true that is." > >> > >> Get it wrong, restate it incorrectly, follow up with something essentially > >> irrelevant and conclude you've said something worth saying. > >> > >> You're actually Dan Quayle, aren't you? > > > > In one state, it's now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. They > > are now trying to make mercy killings in Californa to be legal. > > Eventually, mercy killings will be legal in almost every state. If you > > believe that no doctors have ever done mercy killings--so be it. > > > > > > The question is STILL not whether or not it is legal. The question you > so far failed to answer is, whether or not your god sends you to hell > for it. > > Or are you so deluded that you think that this is the same? > > > Tokay I don't know the answer to that question since I am not God. I can only take a guess. My guess is that each case is judged in a different way. I will give two clear cut examples to make my point. One doctor has a 20 year old patient that is in perfect health. That patient is suffering from clinical depression. She tells the doctor that she wants to commit suicide by jumping out the window of a 30 floor building. The doctor tells her not to do that so gives her a prescription for a medication that will kill her if she takes at least 10 or more of those pills at the same time. I believe that God will hold that doctor responsible for the death of that young lady. One other doctor has a 85 year old patient that has lung cancer. The patient is in terrible pain. The doctor knows that the patient will die within the next two months. The patient and the members of his family beg the doctor to unhook all of the machines that are keeping him alive. The doctor decides to unhook all of those machines and the patient dies. I don't believe that God will hold that doctor responsible for the death of that old man. Please don't ask about various other cases that are in the grey area. I don't know how God will judge those sorts of cases. I am not even sure how God will judge any cases related to mercy killing. I would never take part in a mercy killing. Quote
Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 Jason wrote: > One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy > person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be > wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to > believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of > Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a > fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used > for peaceful purposes. Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert. What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly an ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction. Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where its leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against Israel? What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow Musharraf? Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in which they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to Israel? Inquiring minds want to know. -- Come down off the cross We can use the wood Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House Quote
Guest James Beck Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <Jason-0611071208120001@66-53-214-48.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.219a5e22e3be30b698a2b5@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <38l505-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, kbjarnason@gmail.com > > says... > > > [snips] > > > > > > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:25:12 -0800, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > It will have to be a VERY large room since 55 percent of Americans agree > > > > with me related to this issue. > > > > > > And once again Jason demonstrates his belief that if enough people believe > > > in something, it magically becomes real. > > > > > > > http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm > > I made the point because one of the posters appeared to believe that I was > the only person in the world that believed that America should fire cruise > missiles at the nuclear facilities in Iran. Might does not make right. The majority has been wrong before, see the past for thousands of examples. > > One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy > person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be > wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to > believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of > Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a > fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used > for peaceful purposes. > Jason > Yet, Hitler was brought to power by popular demand. You know, the will of the people that you think is so all powerful. Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <Jason-0611071211120001@66-53-214-48.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <5pbat8FpsqbuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > snip > > > > > I will be glad when I am in the dimension that heaven is located. > > > > I'm sure you won't be the only one > > That is 100% true. I know lots of Christians that are hoping that the > rapture happens very soon. > And you don't find it a bit disturbing that they yearn for the end of the world? The nice thing is your rupture is just another one of those fantasies that can not possibly come true. Jim Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 In article <at6dnVBBSbMib63anZ2dnUVZ_saknZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy > > person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be > > wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to > > believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of > > Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a > > fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used > > for peaceful purposes. > > > Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert. > > What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the > question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have > nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly an > ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an > increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction. > Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where its > leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against Israel? > What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow Musharraf? > Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in which > they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to Israel? > Inquiring minds want to know. We do not take any actions related to Pakistan at this point in time. If fanatics overthrow Musharraf(?) America should bomb the nuclear facilities in Pakistan if the new President of Pakistan states: "Israel must be wiped off from the map of the world." Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Jason wrote: > I would never take part in a mercy killing. > > Allow me to snip the rest... you should one of these days think before you write.... a few days ago you wrote something to the contrary of that. Never mind. The question is as old as medicine. And no final answer has been offered on that, never mind your sky pixie in that. The question remains... Killing gets you to hell. So, the cases are not different in that respect. Also never mind that I, IF there is a heaven and a hell would prefer hell. Hands down. Tokay -- Reality is a figment of your imagination. Quote
Guest Brian E. Clark Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In article <Jason-2110072132390001@67-150-174- 97.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason said... > Christians donate millions of dollars per year to feed > Children in Africa and in various other countries. It's one dropper of aid sprinkled into into a sea of need. As I've said before: If just one percent of Christians acted with just one percent of the charity that people like you attribute to them, there would be little starvation or homelessness, little desperation or want, anywhere on earth. But it isn't so. For every penny Christians donate, they spend millions of dollars on gas-sucking SUVs, designer wardrobes, spacious homes and super supreme pizzas with four times the meat on top. Then they try to buy their way into heaven by tossing the pizza crumbs into the collection plate. ;-) (Okay okay, but what would Usenet be without hyperbole?) In Christianity, a minority act nobly, but the majority take credit for the generosity. - ----------- Brian E. Clark Quote
Guest Richard Clayton Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Jason wrote: > One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy > person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be > wiped off from the map of the world." He must be a very popular ruler. -- [The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.] Richard Clayton "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message >> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com... >> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff" >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >>snip >> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My point >> >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day. >> >> >> >>Cite? >> > >> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it >> > must be so. >> > >> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting. >> >> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof? > >If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy killings--so be it. You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy killing performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever performed"? -- Al at Webdingers dot com "It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning." - Calvin & Hobbes Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:00:22 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In one state, it's now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. They >are now trying to make mercy killings in Californa to be legal. >Eventually, mercy killings will be legal in almost every state. Why are you against making it easier for the dying to commit suicide? -- Al at Webdingers dot com I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter- nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist- ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. - Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan. Quote
Guest 655321 Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In article <Jason-0511071940560001@66.53.221.8>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <GCMXi.52989$RX.12730@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 > <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > In article <5p0qa3Fov6d5U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > >> > > >> snip > > >>> I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in > > >>> religious nut cases like the president of Iran and one of the > > >>> chief clerics in Iran. > > >> We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be > > >> xian, moslem, etc., etc. > > > > > > When I advocated the destruction of the nuclear facilities in Iran, > > > various posters came to the defence of the religious nutcase in Iran. > > > > That's a lie, but who's surprised by now? > > I seen several posts indicating that the president of Iran was NOT in the > process of developing nuclear weapons. Or, at least, demanding some usable evidence from a reliable source for the current and future level of threat. I might have hoped that you would deal with this issue honestly. I might have. If I were a fool. > Those people appeared to me to be defending the president of Iran. To dispute your claims about a given threat is not the same thing as running to the defense of someone else. It is merely a challenge to you to defend your claims. With facts. Dig deep. You may have some memory of what facts are. (Not holding my breath.) > If you disagree, so be it. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. It's a matter of neutral facts vs. your paranoid fabrications. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:32:22 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >I don't know the answer to that question since I am not God. I can only >take a guess. My guess is that each case is judged in a different way. I >will give two clear cut examples to make my point. > >One doctor has a 20 year old patient that is in perfect health. That >patient is suffering from clinical depression. She tells the doctor that >she wants to commit suicide by jumping out the window of a 30 floor >building. The doctor tells her not to do that so gives her a prescription >for a medication that will kill her if she takes at least 10 or more of >those pills at the same time. > >I believe that God will hold that doctor responsible for the death of that >young lady. So would the law. She doesn't qualify under the assisted suicide laws. You really should learn the actual facts about things you talk about. "The Gospel according to Jason" seldom matches reality. In your reality "assisted suicide laws" mean that any doctor can give any patient any medication for almost any reason. It's nothing like that. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow' disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." - Richard Dawkins Quote
Guest 655321 Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In article <Jason-0611071211120001@66-53-214-48.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > That is 100% true. I know lots of Christians that are hoping that the > rapture happens very soon. Y'all are a goofy bunch. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Jason wrote: >>>One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy >>>person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be >>>wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to >>>believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of >>>Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a >>>fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used >>>for peaceful purposes. >> >> >>Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert. >> >>What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the >>question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have >>nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly an >>ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an >>increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction. >>Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where its >>leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against > > Israel? > >>What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow Musharraf? >>Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in which >>they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to > > Israel? > >>Inquiring minds want to know. > > > We do not take any actions related to Pakistan at this point in time. If > fanatics overthrow Musharraf(?) America should bomb the nuclear facilities > in Pakistan if the new President of Pakistan states: "Israel must be wiped > off from the map of the world." Does he have to use that exact phrase, translated from Urdu, or is there a leeway in interpretation? For example, if he says: "Israel must be deleted from the World atlas"? Also, since I'm not familiar with the Israel Protection Clause in the US Constitution, does any other country enjoy the same preventive protection or is it just Israel? For example, what if he says: "Burkina Faso must be wiped off from the map of the world"? Furthermore, what if the new president says "Israel must be wiped off from the map of the world", but the prime minister says "Israel must be sent a ton of junk mail and their children must be made to wear very uncomfortable shoes"? What do we bomb then? Tampon factories? -- Come down off the cross We can use the wood Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In article <UdudnUYovLFlvqzanZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > >>>One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy > >>>person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be > >>>wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to > >>>believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of > >>>Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a > >>>fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used > >>>for peaceful purposes. > >> > >> > >>Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert. > >> > >>What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the > >>question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have > >>nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly an > >>ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an > >>increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction. > >>Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where its > >>leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against > > > > Israel? > > > >>What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow Musharraf? > >>Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in which > >>they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to > > > > Israel? > > > >>Inquiring minds want to know. > > > > > > We do not take any actions related to Pakistan at this point in time. If > > fanatics overthrow Musharraf(?) America should bomb the nuclear facilities > > in Pakistan if the new President of Pakistan states: "Israel must be wiped > > off from the map of the world." > > Does he have to use that exact phrase, translated from Urdu, or is there a > leeway in interpretation? For example, if he says: "Israel must be deleted > from the World atlas"? > Also, since I'm not familiar with the Israel Protection Clause in the US > Constitution, does any other country enjoy the same preventive protection or > is it just Israel? For example, what if he says: "Burkina Faso must be wiped > off from the map of the world"? > Furthermore, what if the new president says "Israel must be wiped off from > the map of the world", but the prime minister says "Israel must be sent a > ton of junk mail and their children must be made to wear very uncomfortable > shoes"? What do we bomb then? Tampon factories? Each country is a different case. The first step is to have discussions with the leaders of those countries. If those countries refuse to give up their nuclear materials--we should consider bombing the nuclear facilities. As you know, Iran refuses to stop the development of their nuclear program. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In article <DipthotDipthot-4009DD.18070706112007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > In article <Jason-0511071940560001@66.53.221.8>, > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <GCMXi.52989$RX.12730@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 > > <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > In article <5p0qa3Fov6d5U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > >> > > > >> snip > > > >>> I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in > > > >>> religious nut cases like the president of Iran and one of the > > > >>> chief clerics in Iran. > > > >> We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be > > > >> xian, moslem, etc., etc. > > > > > > > > When I advocated the destruction of the nuclear facilities in Iran, > > > > various posters came to the defence of the religious nutcase in Iran. > > > > > > That's a lie, but who's surprised by now? > > > > I seen several posts indicating that the president of Iran was NOT in the > > process of developing nuclear weapons. > > Or, at least, demanding some usable evidence from a reliable source for > the current and future level of threat. > > I might have hoped that you would deal with this issue honestly. > > I might have. > > If I were a fool. > > > Those people appeared to me to be defending the president of Iran. > > To dispute your claims about a given threat is not the same thing as > running to the defense of someone else. > > It is merely a challenge to you to defend your claims. With facts. > > Dig deep. You may have some memory of what facts are. > > (Not holding my breath.) > > > If you disagree, so be it. > > It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. It's a matter of neutral > facts vs. your paranoid fabrications. The other option is to wait for Iran to fire several nuclear missiles at Israel. Do you believe that is the best option? Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In article <fgr01f$8dj$03$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > I would never take part in a mercy killing. > > > > > > Allow me to snip the rest... you should one of these days think before > you write.... a few days ago you wrote something to the contrary of that. > > Never mind. The question is as old as medicine. And no final answer has > been offered on that, never mind your sky pixie in that. > > The question remains... Killing gets you to hell. So, the cases are not > different in that respect. > > Also never mind that I, IF there is a heaven and a hell would prefer > hell. Hands down. > > Tokay I believe that someone asked me a question about what I would do if my father was on his death bed and was in terrible pain--what would I do if my father asked me to unplug all of the equipment that was keeping him alive. My answer was that I would probably unplug that equipment. My father is now dead. Sarah has told me that she does NOT want me to ever help her to kill herself. Therefore, I can honestly say that I will never take part in a mercy killing. All of my other relatives live 2000 miles away from me. Quote
Guest Jason Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 In article <pe62j31r05im470hi9ce847l9gf9v6ji75@4ax.com>, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:00:22 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >In one state, it's now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. They > >are now trying to make mercy killings in Californa to be legal. > >Eventually, mercy killings will be legal in almost every state. > > Why are you against making it easier for the dying to commit suicide? I believe that option should be available for everyone that is on their death beds and in terrible pain. I have watched a close relative die and that relative had great amounts of pain and suffering. If you have NEVER watched a relative die in that sort of situation--I don't expect you to agree with me. Quote
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