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In article <jc62j35r2l218rb27tooj038aq3ukium69@4ax.com>, Al Klein

<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> >In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >

> >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

> >> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

> >> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

> >> >>

> >> >>snip

> >> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

My point

> >> >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

> >> >>

> >> >>Cite?

> >> >

> >> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it

> >> > must be so.

> >> >

> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

> >>

> >> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

> >

> >If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy

killings--so be it.

>

> You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy

> killing performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever performed"?

 

Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how many

are performed each day. As you know, mercy killings are LEGAL in one

state.

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In article <MPG.219ace8e8f0529c598abf5@216.196.97.136>, Brian E. Clark

<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:

> In article <Jason-2110072132390001@67-150-174-

> 97.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason said...

>

> > Christians donate millions of dollars per year to feed

> > Children in Africa and in various other countries.

>

> It's one dropper of aid sprinkled into into a sea of

> need.

>

> As I've said before: If just one percent of Christians

> acted with just one percent of the charity that people

> like you attribute to them, there would be little

> starvation or homelessness, little desperation or

> want, anywhere on earth.

>

> But it isn't so. For every penny Christians donate,

> they spend millions of dollars on gas-sucking SUVs,

> designer wardrobes, spacious homes and super supreme

> pizzas with four times the meat on top. Then they try

> to buy their way into heaven by tossing the pizza

> crumbs into the collection plate. ;-)

>

> (Okay okay, but what would Usenet be without

> hyperbole?)

>

> In Christianity, a minority act nobly, but the

> majority take credit for the generosity.

>

> -

> -----------

> Brian E. Clark

 

It's possible for a family that has a SUV to donate

money to feed children in Africa. It's possible for a family

that lives in a large home to donate money to feed children

in Africa.

Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman
Posted

Jason wrote:

>>>>>One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy

>>>>>person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be

>>>>>wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to

>>>>>believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of

>>>>>Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a

>>>>>fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used

>>>>>for peaceful purposes.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert.

>>>>

>>>>What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the

>>>>question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have

>>>>nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly an

>>>>ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an

>>>>increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction.

>>>>Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where its

>>>>leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against

>>>

>>>Israel?

>>>

>>>

>>>>What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow Musharraf?

>>>>Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in which

>>>>they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to

>>>>Israel?

>>>

>>>

>>>>Inquiring minds want to know.

>>>

>>>

>>>We do not take any actions related to Pakistan at this point in time. If

>>>fanatics overthrow Musharraf(?) America should bomb the nuclear facilities

>>>in Pakistan if the new President of Pakistan states: "Israel must be wiped

>>>off from the map of the world."

>>

>>Does he have to use that exact phrase, translated from Urdu, or is there a

>>leeway in interpretation? For example, if he says: "Israel must be deleted

>>from the World atlas"?

>>Also, since I'm not familiar with the Israel Protection Clause in the US

>>Constitution, does any other country enjoy the same preventive protection or

>>is it just Israel? For example, what if he says: "Burkina Faso must be wiped

>>off from the map of the world"?

>>Furthermore, what if the new president says "Israel must be wiped off from

>>the map of the world", but the prime minister says "Israel must be sent a

>>ton of junk mail and their children must be made to wear very uncomfortable

>>shoes"? What do we bomb then? Tampon factories?

>

>

> Each country is a different case. The first step is to have discussions

> with the leaders of those countries. If those countries refuse to give up

> their nuclear materials--we should consider bombing the nuclear

> facilities.

>

> As you know, Iran refuses to stop the development of their nuclear program.

 

 

OK, so when should we consider bombing Russia, France, England, Israel,

China, India, Pakistan and North Korea, then? As you know, all of them

refuse to stop the development of their nuclear program.

Christmas is coming - it's a little tacky to bomb them during the holiday

season.

 

 

 

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

 

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

Guest Kelsey Bjarnason
Posted

[snips]

 

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:10:01 -0800, Jason wrote:

> They are not Christians like me. They have their own agenda.

 

Which does make them just like you.

Guest Kelsey Bjarnason
Posted

[snips]

 

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:32:22 -0800, Jason wrote:

> One doctor has a 20 year old patient that is in perfect health. That

> patient is suffering from clinical depression. She tells the doctor that

> she wants to commit suicide by jumping out the window of a 30 floor

> building. The doctor tells her not to do that so gives her a prescription

> for a medication that will kill her if she takes at least 10 or more of

> those pills at the same time.

 

Okay, so a person in a great deal of suffering, wanting to end it...

> I believe that God will hold that doctor responsible for the death of that

> young lady.

> One other doctor has a 85 year old patient that has lung cancer. The

> patient is in terrible pain.

 

And a person in a great deal of suffering, wanting to end it...

> I don't believe that God will hold that doctor responsible for the death

> of that old man.

 

And the differentiation is what? That one is young, the other old? That

one is incurable and the other might be? Where do you get off telling one

of them they must continue to suffer, in the hope they may some day get

better? For that matter, if you're going to tell that to one, why not the

other? It's possible that in the two months before the old guy kicks off,

some form of cure might become available, so you should be telling him to

hold on, suffer to the end, because, just like the depression patient, he

_might_ get better.

 

 

--

Here's a clue -- if they say they're doing it in my name,

they're lying.

-- God

Guest Kelsey Bjarnason
Posted

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:16:11 -0800, Jason wrote:

> In article <pe62j31r05im470hi9ce847l9gf9v6ji75@4ax.com>, Al Klein

> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:00:22 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >In one state, it's now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. They

>> >are now trying to make mercy killings in Californa to be legal.

>> >Eventually, mercy killings will be legal in almost every state.

>>

>> Why are you against making it easier for the dying to commit suicide?

>

> I believe that option should be available for everyone that is on their

> death beds and in terrible pain.

 

But suicide, according to many, is the one unpardonable sin. So you're

arguing for the sending of such people straight into the torments of

hell and eternal damnation, and probably taking the doctor with them.

 

Why do you hate people so much you'd want to see them suffer eternally,

simply because they're suffering here and want to end it?

Guest Kelsey Bjarnason
Posted

[snips]

 

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:08:11 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> > And once again Jason demonstrates his belief that if enough people believe

>> > in something, it magically becomes real.

> I made the point because one of the posters appeared to believe that I was

> the only person in the world that believed that America should fire cruise

> missiles at the nuclear facilities in Iran.

 

We're well aware others believe this. They, however, are not here making

such statements. You are. And we persist in asking you to give an actual

justification for such a notion, and you persist in failing to offer

anything more than knee-jerk reactions to something you saw on TV and

which, based on comments you've made, you don't even understand.

> be wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of

> Americans to believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the

> president of Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he

> wants to do. Only a fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear

> materials that will used for peaceful purposes. Jason

 

Oh, of course. We forget, nuclear materials cannot be used for thing

such as, oh, nuclear power plants. Those run on last week's leftovers.

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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:10:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>>"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>>news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>>>

>>>>snip

>>>>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My

>>>>> point

>>>>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

>>>>

>>>>Cite?

>>>

>>> Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it

>>> must be so.

>>>

>>> http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>>

>>Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

>

> That's what he considers enough proof to justify killing millions of

> innocent civilians - if he puts the term in question into Google, and

> he gets a lot of hits, his assertion must be true. Would Google lie?

 

Gah, what a jackass :p

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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> In article <fgq765$hoi$1@austar-news.austar.net.au>, Masked Avenger

> <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>> > In article <2td105-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> [snips]

>> >>

>> >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:41:53 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> Did you know that many of the people that campaign at abortion

>> >>> clinics

>> >>> have been sued? They now have to campaign far away from the entrance

>> >>> of

>> >>> abortion clinics.

>> >> Based on certain past incidents, one might argue anywhere within

>> >> sniper

>> >> range is too close. Keep 'em back, oh, five miles.

>> >

>> > Those same rules should apply to people that campaign at the funerals

>> > of

>> > soldiers.

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> but ... but ...Jason those people ( Phelps and his Baptist clan ) claim

>> they are 'true' Christians ...... just like you !

>>

>> The good news is ......that they ( Phelps et al. ) just got there arses

>> kicked to the tune of $11 million ...... for their stupid hate crimes

>> .......

>

> They are not Christians like me. They have their own agenda.

 

And you don't?

 

Just as there

> are lots of atheists that are nut cases--

 

Really? Based on what evidence? Your opinon? Gonna Google for hits?

 

there are also Christians that

> are nut cases.

 

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Sheesh.

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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >>

>> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>> >>

>> >>snip

>> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My

>> >>> point

>> >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

>> >>

>> >>Cite?

>> >

>> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it

>> > must be so.

>> >

>> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>>

>> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

>

> If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy killings--so

> be it.

 

Did I state that I believed that? What's that? No? Good, because I didn't.

 

So, where's your evidence that "many different doctors perform mercy

killings every day"? THAT'S the assertion I was looking for you to back up.

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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:Jason-0611071918480001@66.53.220.228...

> In article <jc62j35r2l218rb27tooj038aq3ukium69@4ax.com>, Al Klein

> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>> >> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>> >> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>> >> >>

>> >> >>snip

>> >> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

> My point

>> >> >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Cite?

>> >> >

>> >> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so

>> >> > it

>> >> > must be so.

>> >> >

>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>> >>

>> >> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

>> >

>> >If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy

> killings--so be it.

>>

>> You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy

>> killing performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever performed"?

>

> Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how many

> are performed each day.

 

Then why did you assert that "many different doctors perform mercy killings

every day"?

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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> In article <at6dnVBBSbMib63anZ2dnUVZ_saknZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo

> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>

>> > One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy

>> > person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must

>> > be

>> > wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans

>> > to

>> > believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of

>> > Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do.

>> > Only a

>> > fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used

>> > for peaceful purposes.

>>

>>

>> Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert.

>>

>> What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the

>> question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have

>> nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly

>> an

>> ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an

>> increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction.

>> Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where

>> its

>> leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against

> Israel?

>> What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow

>> Musharraf?

>> Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in

>> which

>> they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to

> Israel?

>> Inquiring minds want to know.

>

> We do not take any actions related to Pakistan at this point in time. If

> fanatics overthrow Musharraf(?) America should bomb the nuclear facilities

> in Pakistan if the new President of Pakistan states: "Israel must be wiped

> off from the map of the world."

 

So, if he states that any other country should be wiped off of the map of

the world, we should just ignore it then?

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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> In article <5pbat8FpsqbuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>

>> snip

>>

>> > I will be glad when I am in the dimension that heaven is located.

>>

>> I'm sure you won't be the only one :p

>

> That is 100% true. I know lots of Christians that are hoping that the

> rapture happens very soon.

 

The poor deluded fools.

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Jason wrote:

> In article <fgkptb$8le$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> In article <jdtpi31jp62epc1ccrturfpdgtjiqng65v@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>>> Many people (the majority of human beings, in fact) believe that Jesus

>>>> WAS NOT the son of any god. I guess that means that you'll be giving

>>>> up Christianity, right?

>>> You might let those people know that they were not alive when Jesus was on

>>> this earth so how would they know.

>> Neither were you. So how deep is that hole that you're digging, anyways?

>

> I trust the testimony of the witnesses that were alive during that time period.

 

And those witnesses would be? Where can we find writings directly from

them (not these hearsay writings that were made years later)?

Posted

Al Klein wrote:

> Most of it is based on the writings of people who were witnesses

> (there's NO eyewitness testimony of Jesus), and most of that is

> backed up by OBJECTIVE evidence (there's objective evidence that the

> Biblical Jesus - as defined in the Bible - never existed.)

 

<devil's advocate>

 

An alien comes to earth with the ability to transmute elements,

transport in things, advanced medical abilities, etc. and no honesty at

all. This alien could have performed the miracles that were mentioned in

the bible. JESUS was the one who claimed he was the son of god so that

was a case of him describing himself that way and not the bible

describing him (likewise for the "believe in me and your sins are

forgiven", etc.) So I don't see anything in the bible's new testament

that couldn't have been done by an alien with "sufficiently advanced

technology." That's the problem with trying to prove something didn't

happen. Even the exodus could have happened and still left no traces,

etc. if there were BEM's with super-advances porti-potties, etc.

 

Now do I believe that such aliens exist? Of course not. But it doesn't

prove that they don't.

 

Generally, we can't ever prove that something didn't exist/happen. The

best we can do is prove that something DID exist/happen and show how, if

that something existed/happened, then some other thing couldn't have

existed/happened at the same time/place.

Posted

Jason wrote:

> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

 

No one said you did.

 

My point

> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

 

And that's what we asked for evidence for.

 

Show us evidence that there is a "mercy killing" at least once a day

somewhere.

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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:

>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>news:Jason-0611071918480001@66.53.220.228...

>> In article <jc62j35r2l218rb27tooj038aq3ukium69@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>> >In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>> >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>>> >> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>>> >> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>>> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>> >> >>snip

>>> >> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day. My

>>> >> >>> point was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every

>>> >> >>> day.

>>> >> >>Cite?

>>> >> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so it

>>> >> > must be so.

>>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>>> >> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

>>> >If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy killings--so

>>> >be it.

>>> You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy killing

>>> performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever performed"?

>> Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how many

>> are performed each day.

>Then why did you assert that "many different doctors perform mercy killings

>every day"?

 

Because he said that yesterday. Today's a different story, in his world.

 

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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:

>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>news:Jason-0611071211120001@66-53-214-48.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>> In article <5pbat8FpsqbuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>> snip

>>> > I will be glad when I am in the dimension that heaven is located.

>>> I'm sure you won't be the only one :p

>> That is 100% true. I know lots of Christians that are hoping that the

>> rapture happens very soon.

>The poor deluded fools.

 

It's the ones in political authority that want to bring it about that make me

wonder if there's much of a future at all. (Miller's "A Canticle for

Leibowitz", anyone?)

 

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Posted

In article <5pdvu8Fqrj50U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:Jason-0611071210010001@66-53-214-48.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> > In article <fgq765$hoi$1@austar-news.austar.net.au>, Masked Avenger

> > <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Jason wrote:

> >> > In article <2td105-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> [snips]

> >> >>

> >> >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:41:53 -0800, Jason wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >>> Did you know that many of the people that campaign at abortion

> >> >>> clinics

> >> >>> have been sued? They now have to campaign far away from the entrance

> >> >>> of

> >> >>> abortion clinics.

> >> >> Based on certain past incidents, one might argue anywhere within

> >> >> sniper

> >> >> range is too close. Keep 'em back, oh, five miles.

> >> >

> >> > Those same rules should apply to people that campaign at the funerals

> >> > of

> >> > soldiers.

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> but ... but ...Jason those people ( Phelps and his Baptist clan ) claim

> >> they are 'true' Christians ...... just like you !

> >>

> >> The good news is ......that they ( Phelps et al. ) just got there arses

> >> kicked to the tune of $11 million ...... for their stupid hate crimes

> >> .......

> >

> > They are not Christians like me. They have their own agenda.

>

> And you don't?

>

> Just as there

> > are lots of atheists that are nut cases--

>

> Really? Based on what evidence? Your opinon? Gonna Google for hits?

 

No, I know there are atheists that are nut cases because I have read many

of their posts in this newsgroup.

>

> there are also Christians that

> > are nut cases.

>

> Thank you, Captain Obvious. Sheesh.

Posted

In article <mrp805-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> [snips]

>

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:32:22 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

> > One doctor has a 20 year old patient that is in perfect health. That

> > patient is suffering from clinical depression. She tells the doctor that

> > she wants to commit suicide by jumping out the window of a 30 floor

> > building. The doctor tells her not to do that so gives her a prescription

> > for a medication that will kill her if she takes at least 10 or more of

> > those pills at the same time.

>

> Okay, so a person in a great deal of suffering, wanting to end it...

>

> > I believe that God will hold that doctor responsible for the death of that

> > young lady.

>

> > One other doctor has a 85 year old patient that has lung cancer. The

> > patient is in terrible pain.

>

> And a person in a great deal of suffering, wanting to end it...

>

> > I don't believe that God will hold that doctor responsible for the death

> > of that old man.

>

> And the differentiation is what? That one is young, the other old? That

> one is incurable and the other might be? Where do you get off telling one

> of them they must continue to suffer, in the hope they may some day get

> better? For that matter, if you're going to tell that to one, why not the

> other? It's possible that in the two months before the old guy kicks off,

> some form of cure might become available, so you should be telling him to

> hold on, suffer to the end, because, just like the depression patient, he

> _might_ get better.

 

In the first case, the doctor should have referred the young and healthy

person to a psychologist. In the other case, the doctor knew the man would

have died within the next two months. The doctor also knew that the man

would have had lots of pain and suffering until the day he died. If you

fail to see the differences between those two clear cut cases--so be it.

Posted

In article <fgsmu2$5v5$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

>

> No one said you did.

>

> My point

> > was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

>

> And that's what we asked for evidence for.

>

> Show us evidence that there is a "mercy killing" at least once a day

> somewhere.

 

It was an educated guess since mercy killing is legal in at least one

state. In addition, it's my understanding that mercy killing is legal in

various countries. Many doctors in various states in America conduct mercy

killings without anyone ever knowing about it. For example, they will give

overdoses of various drugs and later claim that a mistake was

made--especially if the police investigate the case. If you know any

nurses, ask them whether or not they know about any mercy killings.

Posted

In article <5pe02lFqsumtU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:Jason-0611071918480001@66.53.220.228...

> > In article <jc62j35r2l218rb27tooj038aq3ukium69@4ax.com>, Al Klein

> > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

> >

> >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> >>

> >> >In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

> >> >> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

> >> >> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

> >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>snip

> >> >> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

> > My point

> >> >> >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>Cite?

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits, so

> >> >> > it

> >> >> > must be so.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

> >> >>

> >> >> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

> >> >

> >> >If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy

> > killings--so be it.

> >>

> >> You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy

> >> killing performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever performed"?

> >

> > Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how many

> > are performed each day.

>

> Then why did you assert that "many different doctors perform mercy killings

> every day"?

 

Because I believe that statement.

Posted

In article <mup805-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:16:11 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

> > In article <pe62j31r05im470hi9ce847l9gf9v6ji75@4ax.com>, Al Klein

> > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

> >

> >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:00:22 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> >>

> >> >In one state, it's now legal for doctors to conduct mercy killings. They

> >> >are now trying to make mercy killings in Californa to be legal.

> >> >Eventually, mercy killings will be legal in almost every state.

> >>

> >> Why are you against making it easier for the dying to commit suicide?

> >

> > I believe that option should be available for everyone that is on their

> > death beds and in terrible pain.

>

> But suicide, according to many, is the one unpardonable sin. So you're

> arguing for the sending of such people straight into the torments of

> hell and eternal damnation, and probably taking the doctor with them.

>

> Why do you hate people so much you'd want to see them suffer eternally,

> simply because they're suffering here and want to end it?

 

I never stated that suicide is an unpardonable sin. I believe that is a

teaching of the Catholic church. I am not a Catholic.

Posted

In article <lcq805-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> [snips]

>

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:08:11 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

> >> > And once again Jason demonstrates his belief that if enough people

believe

> >> > in something, it magically becomes real.

>

> > I made the point because one of the posters appeared to believe that I was

> > the only person in the world that believed that America should fire cruise

> > missiles at the nuclear facilities in Iran.

>

> We're well aware others believe this. They, however, are not here making

> such statements. You are. And we persist in asking you to give an actual

> justification for such a notion, and you persist in failing to offer

> anything more than knee-jerk reactions to something you saw on TV and

> which, based on comments you've made, you don't even understand.

>

> > be wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of

> > Americans to believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the

> > president of Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he

> > wants to do. Only a fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear

> > materials that will used for peaceful purposes. Jason

>

> Oh, of course. We forget, nuclear materials cannot be used for thing

> such as, oh, nuclear power plants. Those run on last week's leftovers.

 

There have been several books written about the end goal of Muslim

fanatics. I have read one of those books. The end goal of Muslim fanatics

is to take over the world. Muslims from the middle east are in the process

of taking over the Sudan. Once they have total control over the Sudan,

they plan to use it as the base of operations to take over all of the

countries in Africa. Muslim fanatics have short term goals of taking of

Pakistan and the Philiphines. They probably will not try to take over

America until they have control over most of the other countries in the

world. One other short term goals is to take over Israel. The easiest way

to take over Israel is to fire at least one nuclear missile into Israel.

The president of Iran has clearly stated that "Israel must be wiped off

from the map of the world". One of the chief clerics in Iran has also

stated that Iran should fire a nuclear missile at Iran. Iran has the oil

money that is needed to buy whatever is needed to make nuclear weapons.

 

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

 

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

 

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran

Posted

In article <5pe0chFqsfnqU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:Jason-0611071551480001@67-150-127-235.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> > In article <at6dnVBBSbMib63anZ2dnUVZ_saknZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo

> > Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote:

> >

> >> Jason wrote:

> >>

> >> > One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy

> >> > person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must

> >> > be

> >> > wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans

> >> > to

> >> > believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of

> >> > Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do.

> >> > Only a

> >> > fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used

> >> > for peaceful purposes.

> >>

> >>

> >> Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert.

> >>

> >> What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the

> >> question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have

> >> nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly

> >> an

> >> ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an

> >> increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction.

> >> Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where

> >> its

> >> leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against

> > Israel?

> >> What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow

> >> Musharraf?

> >> Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in

> >> which

> >> they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to

> > Israel?

> >> Inquiring minds want to know.

> >

> > We do not take any actions related to Pakistan at this point in time. If

> > fanatics overthrow Musharraf(?) America should bomb the nuclear facilities

> > in Pakistan if the new President of Pakistan states: "Israel must be wiped

> > off from the map of the world."

>

> So, if he states that any other country should be wiped off of the map of

> the world, we should just ignore it then?

 

No

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