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Guest Kelsey Bjarnason
Posted

[snips]

 

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:23:04 -0800, Jason wrote:

> Let's leave sex out of it. The person that is suffering from clinical

> depression is a male and the elderly person that is on their death bed is

> a male.

 

So, nuke the elderly. After all, they've had a life. Got it.

 

> The doctor of the elderly man is certain that the man will die within the

> next three months.

 

No, he's not. As your lot is so fond of saying, "Miracles do happen". So

are you invalidating the whole notion of God now? Well, okay, but that

also invalidates the entire discussion, which is predicated upon the

notion of what will and won't buy you a ticket to hell. On the other

hand, if you're not writing God out of the picture, then you cannot -

ever - adopt a position of "it's certain he will die", as God could step

in.

 

So, an elderly male whom is expendable precisely because he's elderly.

>The doctor also knows the man will be in a great

> amount of pain until the death takes place. The man and the members of

> his family has requested a mercy killing. The doctor unplugs all of the

> machines that are keeping the man alive and the man dies. I agree with

> the doctor's decision.

 

Of course, because it involves killing people, which you love, and it

involves killing old people, who you appear to find expendable.

> The other man that has clinical depression is a different case. There

> are many options to treat that man. He could be given a medication such

> a Prozac and referred to a psychologist. If a doctor decided to mercy

> kill that man--I would not agree with that doctor's decision.

 

Ah, there's that vaunted Jason knowledge again. Issues such as, oh,

allergic reactions, interference with other medications, interactions with

existing conditions, these don't matter; if you're depressed, there's this

magic pill he read about somewhere that fixes all, just go ahead and take

it, no questions asked.

 

Meanwhile, we still have two patients, in - to them - insufferable pain,

but one's expendable because he's old, the other, well, too bad, he has to

suffer because it would offend Jason's religion.

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Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman
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Jason wrote:

 

>>>The president of Iran has clearly stated that "Israel must be wiped off

>>>from the map of the world".

>>

>>I swear, if you were standing next to me, I'd start punching your fucking

>>face with my foot every time you said this goddamn sentence. You must have

>>said this something like 500 times already.

>>

>>Change the fucking tune. You're really annoying.

>

>

> I feel the same way about the stupid people that repeat over and over and

> over that Iran is developing nuclear materials that will be used for

> peaceful purposes. Every intelligent person knows that Iran could use oil

> to produce all of the electric power that is needed.

 

Are those the same intelligent people who knew that Iraq not only had the

WMDs, but intended to use them against the US, was developing a nuclear

program and had tight connections to Al Qaeda?

The same people who knew that the US doesn't use torture, doesn't illegally

spy on its citizens and that the reason the US Army is still in Iraq is to

continue bringing freedom and democracy to Iraqis?

 

Yeah, I thought so. Abe was right, you can fool some of the people all of

the time. The rest of his statement is irrelevant.

 

 

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

 

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

Guest Kelsey Bjarnason
Posted

[snips]

 

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:33:32 -0800, Jason wrote:

> If you choose to believe that the president of Iran is developing nuclear

> materials to be used for peaceful purposes--so be it.

 

I might point out here, you retarded offspring of a syphillitic chimp,

that I did not assert any such thing. I asked you to support your

claim that there is any actual nuclear arms development going on there.

 

So far you've been completely unable to do so. Yet, in typical Jason

fashion, you just believe, absolutely, in whatever fits your fucked up

prejudices, evidence be damned.

 

You're just not the most rational person on the planet, are you?

Guest Tokay Pino Gris
Posted

Jason wrote:

> In article <fgr01f$8dj$03$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>

>>> I would never take part in a mercy killing.

>>>

>>>

>> Allow me to snip the rest... you should one of these days think before

>> you write.... a few days ago you wrote something to the contrary of that.

>>

>> Never mind. The question is as old as medicine. And no final answer has

>> been offered on that, never mind your sky pixie in that.

>>

>> The question remains... Killing gets you to hell. So, the cases are not

>> different in that respect.

>>

>> Also never mind that I, IF there is a heaven and a hell would prefer

>> hell. Hands down.

>>

>> Tokay

>

> I believe that someone asked me a question about what I would do if my

> father was on his death bed and was in terrible pain--what would I do if

> my father asked me to unplug all of the equipment that was keeping him

> alive.

 

No. You told the tale that your father actually WAS in such a condition,

IIRC.

 

My answer was that I would probably unplug that equipment. My

> father is now dead. Sarah has told me that she does NOT want me to ever

> help her to kill herself. Therefore, I can honestly say that I will never

> take part in a mercy killing. All of my other relatives live 2000 miles

> away from me.

>

>

 

 

--

 

Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.

 

Oscar Wilde

Guest Tokay Pino Gris
Posted

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:25:44 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

>> In article <j4v905-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> [snips]

>>>

>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:10:44 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>>

>>>> In the first case, the doctor should have referred the young and healthy

>>>> person to a psychologist.

>>> She wasn't "young and healthy", she was just "young". You yourself said

>>> she had clinical depression.

>> Good point--you are correct.

>

> Good, we're getting somewhere.

 

 

Sorry to disappoint you... Jason uses this "good point" any time he is

caught at something that he can't possibly wiggle out of. It doesn't

mean he actually concedes a point.

 

Tokay

 

 

--

 

Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.

 

Oscar Wilde

Guest Tokay Pino Gris
Posted

Jason wrote:

> In article

> <DipthotDipthot-4009DD.18070706112007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

> 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>

>> In article <Jason-0511071940560001@66.53.221.8>,

>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>>> In article <GCMXi.52989$RX.12730@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, 655321

>>> <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Jason wrote:

>>>>> In article <5p0qa3Fov6d5U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>>>>>

>>>>>> snip

>>>>>>> I am shocked that so many atheists have so much trust in

>>>>>>> religious nut cases like the president of Iran and one of the

>>>>>>> chief clerics in Iran.

>>>>>> We don't have faith in ANY religious nutcases, whether they be

>>>>>> xian, moslem, etc., etc.

>>>>> When I advocated the destruction of the nuclear facilities in Iran,

>>>>> various posters came to the defence of the religious nutcase in Iran.

>>>> That's a lie, but who's surprised by now?

>>> I seen several posts indicating that the president of Iran was NOT in the

>>> process of developing nuclear weapons.

>> Or, at least, demanding some usable evidence from a reliable source for

>> the current and future level of threat.

>>

>> I might have hoped that you would deal with this issue honestly.

>>

>> I might have.

>>

>> If I were a fool.

>>

>>> Those people appeared to me to be defending the president of Iran.

>> To dispute your claims about a given threat is not the same thing as

>> running to the defense of someone else.

>>

>> It is merely a challenge to you to defend your claims. With facts.

>>

>> Dig deep. You may have some memory of what facts are.

>>

>> (Not holding my breath.)

>>

>>> If you disagree, so be it.

>> It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. It's a matter of neutral

>> facts vs. your paranoid fabrications.

>

> The other option is to wait for Iran to fire several nuclear missiles at

> Israel. Do you believe that is the best option?

>

>

 

No. The OTHER option is to find out whether Iran actually has the means

to fire such missiles AND would actually DO it.

 

YOUR option is to nuke/attack/bomb a sovereign country not presently at

war with you based on ... hm... sayso? Guesses? Put-the-tail-on-the-donkey?

 

Oh yeah. The ramblings of a political figurehead... guess what. America

has had it's share of those. And not the least of the bunch is your

present president. Quite a few of his ramblings COULD be taken in a

quite surprising way, I guess. Hm, maybe Europe should attack the USA,

IIRC some of the missiles are still pointed our way.. AND we don't have

to GUESS whether the USA actually HAS them. OR would use them. They DID,

you know....

 

Attacking a sovereign country IS an act of war, you know.

 

Good thing Europe takes the road that is the better one to success....

Beat you economically. Huge military? What for? Just big enough, that

suffices. If the rest of the world ends up owing us money...

(Oh... the fantasy of it... Not true right now, of course.... but a nice

thought.)

 

 

So, you would declare war (attacking another country IS declaring war on

it...) based on nothing.

 

No small wonder the USA is regarded as the greatest threat to the rest

of the world right now...

 

 

Tokay

 

 

--

 

Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.

 

Oscar Wilde

Guest Tokay Pino Gris
Posted

Jason wrote:

> In article <UdudnUYovLFlvqzanZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo

> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>

>>>>> One crazy man named Hitler killed about 6 million Jews. Another crazy

>>>>> person named Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) has stated: "Iran must be

>>>>> wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of Americans to

>>>>> believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the president of

>>>>> Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he wants to do. Only a

>>>>> fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear materials that will used

>>>>> for peaceful purposes.

>>>>

>>>> Hello, Mr. Foreign Policy Expert.

>>>>

>>>> What, pray tell, should we do with Pakistan, then. Let me rephrase the

>>>> question: when should we nuke them? Clearly, they not only want to have

>>>> nuclear weapons, they already have them, and the country is not exactly an

>>>> ocean of stability, what with the unpopular military dictatorship and an

>>>> increasingly restless and growing religious extremist faction.

>>>> Or is pre-emptively attacking a country only allowed in the case where its

>>>> leader makes empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threats against

>>> Israel?

>>>

>>>> What happens if in some future date religious fanatics overthrow Musharraf?

>>>> Do we start bombing right away or wait for their press conference in which

>>>> they announce their empty, open-to-interpretation, semi-veiled threat to

>>> Israel?

>>>

>>>> Inquiring minds want to know.

>>>

>>> We do not take any actions related to Pakistan at this point in time. If

>>> fanatics overthrow Musharraf(?) America should bomb the nuclear facilities

>>> in Pakistan if the new President of Pakistan states: "Israel must be wiped

>>> off from the map of the world."

>> Does he have to use that exact phrase, translated from Urdu, or is there a

>> leeway in interpretation? For example, if he says: "Israel must be deleted

>> from the World atlas"?

>> Also, since I'm not familiar with the Israel Protection Clause in the US

>> Constitution, does any other country enjoy the same preventive protection or

>> is it just Israel? For example, what if he says: "Burkina Faso must be wiped

>> off from the map of the world"?

>> Furthermore, what if the new president says "Israel must be wiped off from

>> the map of the world", but the prime minister says "Israel must be sent a

>> ton of junk mail and their children must be made to wear very uncomfortable

>> shoes"? What do we bomb then? Tampon factories?

>

> Each country is a different case. The first step is to have discussions

> with the leaders of those countries. If those countries refuse to give up

> their nuclear materials--we should consider bombing the nuclear

> facilities.

 

There used to be an organisation that dealt with this.... It is NOT up

to the USA alone to decide this.

>

> As you know, Iran refuses to stop the development of their nuclear program.

 

As you continuously fail to acknowledge, this "nuclear" program doesn't

produce weapon material.

 

Tokay

 

 

--

 

Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.

 

Oscar Wilde

Guest Tokay Pino Gris
Posted

Jason wrote:

> In article <lcq805-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> [snips]

>>

>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:08:11 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>

>>>>> And once again Jason demonstrates his belief that if enough people

> believe

>>>>> in something, it magically becomes real.

>>> I made the point because one of the posters appeared to believe that I was

>>> the only person in the world that believed that America should fire cruise

>>> missiles at the nuclear facilities in Iran.

>> We're well aware others believe this. They, however, are not here making

>> such statements. You are. And we persist in asking you to give an actual

>> justification for such a notion, and you persist in failing to offer

>> anything more than knee-jerk reactions to something you saw on TV and

>> which, based on comments you've made, you don't even understand.

>>

>>> be wiped off from the map of the world." That leads about 55% of

>>> Americans to believe that Iran is making nuclear materials so that the

>>> president of Iran will be able to do exactly what he stated that he

>>> wants to do. Only a fool would believe that Iran is making nuclear

>>> materials that will used for peaceful purposes. Jason

>> Oh, of course. We forget, nuclear materials cannot be used for thing

>> such as, oh, nuclear power plants. Those run on last week's leftovers.

>

> There have been several books written about the end goal of Muslim

> fanatics. I have read one of those books.

 

Let me guess.... you don't have it anymore, can't quote from it,

probably don't remember the title anymore? You have a record for this,

you know?

 

The end goal of Muslim fanatics

> is to take over the world.

 

Same goes for christian fanatics. Fanatics are dangerous. We KNOW this.

 

Muslims from the middle east are in the process

> of taking over the Sudan. Once they have total control over the Sudan,

> they plan to use it as the base of operations to take over all of the

> countries in Africa.

 

ROFL. The way US foreign policy is running right now, that rather refers

to the USA... You know, first there was Afghanistan... then Iraq.... and

all the world took a guess and the bets were that Iran was next... That

was five years ago.... Look where we are now....

 

Muslim fanatics have short term goals of taking of

> Pakistan and the Philiphines.

 

ANY proof of this?

 

They probably will not try to take over

> America until they have control over most of the other countries in the

> world.

 

Gee.... there was a similiar argumentation like that... Domino theory or

some such. Which brought you Vietnam...

 

One other short term goals is to take over Israel. The easiest way

> to take over Israel is to fire at least one nuclear missile into Israel.

 

You bozo.... a nuclear weapon? What would you want to take over after

that? There is only one country on this planet right now that could fire

nuclear weapons and probably NOT fear immediate retaliation... Guess

which one that is?

> The president of Iran has clearly stated that "Israel must be wiped off

> from the map of the world".

 

I could dig out a bunch of quotes from your head honcho... Not very nice

ones....

 

One of the chief clerics in Iran has also

> stated that Iran should fire a nuclear missile at Iran. Iran has the oil

> money that is needed to buy whatever is needed to make nuclear weapons.

 

And? The USA already HAS them. AND used them. AND doesn't have a record

of following international laws....

 

 

Tokay

 

 

--

 

Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.

 

Oscar Wilde

Guest Kelsey Bjarnason
Posted

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:51:36 +0100, Tokay Pino Gris wrote:

> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:25:44 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>

>>> In article <j4v905-6vq.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> [snips]

>>>>

>>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:10:44 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> In the first case, the doctor should have referred the young and healthy

>>>>> person to a psychologist.

>>>> She wasn't "young and healthy", she was just "young". You yourself said

>>>> she had clinical depression.

>>> Good point--you are correct.

>>

>> Good, we're getting somewhere.

>

>

> Sorry to disappoint you... Jason uses this "good point" any time he is

> caught at something that he can't possibly wiggle out of. It doesn't

> mean he actually concedes a point.

 

I actually know that. To concede the point would mean he actually

understood the implications of his being unable to wiggle out; this

appears to be beyond his abilities, however.

Guest Masked Avenger
Posted

Jason wrote:

>>>>>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:41:53 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Did you know that many of the people that campaign at abortion

>>>>>>> clinics

>>>>>>> have been sued? They now have to campaign far away from the entrance

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> abortion clinics.

>>>>>> Based on certain past incidents, one might argue anywhere within

>>>>>> sniper

>>>>>> range is too close. Keep 'em back, oh, five miles.

>>>>> Those same rules should apply to people that campaign at the funerals

>>>>> of

>>>>> soldiers.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> but ... but ...Jason those people ( Phelps and his Baptist clan ) claim

>>>> they are 'true' Christians ...... just like you !

>>>>

>>>> The good news is ......that they ( Phelps et al. ) just got there arses

>>>> kicked to the tune of $11 million ...... for their stupid hate crimes

>>>> .......

>>> They are not Christians like me. They have their own agenda.

>> And you don't?

>>

>> Just as there

>>> are lots of atheists that are nut cases--

>> Really? Based on what evidence? Your opinon? Gonna Google for hits?

>

> No, I know there are atheists that are nut cases because I have read many

> of their posts in this newsgroup.

 

Which means it is " based on YOUR opinion " ............... exactly what

you just denied !

 

which only confirms my belief that you have to be an intellectual

cripple to be a Christian ......

 

>

>> there are also Christians that

>>> are nut cases.

>> Thank you, Captain Obvious. Sheesh.

>

>

 

 

--

MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....

 

Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity

.............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........

- A. Einstein

 

Does Schr

Posted

Jason wrote:

> I feel the same way about the stupid people that repeat over and over and

> over that Iran is developing nuclear materials that will be used for

> peaceful purposes. Every intelligent person knows that Iran could use oil

> to produce all of the electric power that is needed.

 

No, every INTELLIGENT person (which leaves you out) knows that you need

to diversify your energy sources since oil won't last forever (and since

nuclear power can't be used to grease axles with and make plastics, etc.

I.e. if you have an alternative, use it and save the oil for those

things that we don't have alternatives for.)

Posted

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

> [snips]

>

> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:33:32 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

>> If you choose to believe that the president of Iran is developing nuclear

>> materials to be used for peaceful purposes--so be it.

>

> I might point out here, you retarded offspring of a syphillitic chimp,

> that I did not assert any such thing. I asked you to support your

> claim that there is any actual nuclear arms development going on there.

>

> So far you've been completely unable to do so. Yet, in typical Jason

> fashion, you just believe, absolutely, in whatever fits your fucked up

> prejudices, evidence be damned.

>

> You're just not the most rational person on the planet, are you?

 

Gee, what was your first clue? <g>

Posted

Jason wrote:

> In article <fgsknf$3d1$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> In article <fgkptb$8le$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

>>> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Jason wrote:

>>>>> In article <jdtpi31jp62epc1ccrturfpdgtjiqng65v@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>> Many people (the majority of human beings, in fact) believe that Jesus

>>>>>> WAS NOT the son of any god. I guess that means that you'll be giving

>>>>>> up Christianity, right?

>>>>> You might let those people know that they were not alive when Jesus was on

>>>>> this earth so how would they know.

>>>> Neither were you. So how deep is that hole that you're digging, anyways?

>>> I trust the testimony of the witnesses that were alive during that

> time period.

>> And those witnesses would be? Where can we find writings directly from

>> them (not these hearsay writings that were made years later)?

>

> Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

 

Sorry but the gospels weren't written by "Mathew, Mark, Luke and John."

They were written a century later. Try again?

Guest Al Klein
Posted

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:27:00 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <MPG.219bee4e977e1c5998a2d4@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

>Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>> In article <Jason-0711071218260001@66-53-212-85.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>> > > > Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how many

>> > > > are performed each day.

>> > > Then why did you assert that "many different doctors perform mercy killings

>> > > every day"?

>> > Because I believe that statement.

>> Just like your belief in the old man in the sky, believing it does not

>> make it so. I believe in facts, not feelings.

>Mercy killing is legal in one state. Mercy killing is legal in various

>countries. Therefore, many different doctors perform mercy killings every

>day.

 

You already said, "I don't know how many are performed each day", so

how can you now say that you DO know? You're directly contradicting

your own statement.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."

- Isaac Asimov

Guest Al Klein
Posted

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:34:02 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <fgsknf$3d1$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>> > In article <fgkptb$8le$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

>> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> Jason wrote:

>> >>> In article <jdtpi31jp62epc1ccrturfpdgtjiqng65v@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> >>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>> >>>> Many people (the majority of human beings, in fact) believe that Jesus

>> >>>> WAS NOT the son of any god. I guess that means that you'll be giving

>> >>>> up Christianity, right?

>> >>> You might let those people know that they were not alive when Jesus was on

>> >>> this earth so how would they know.

>> >> Neither were you. So how deep is that hole that you're digging, anyways?

>> >

>> > I trust the testimony of the witnesses that were alive during that

>time period.

>>

>> And those witnesses would be? Where can we find writings directly from

>> them (not these hearsay writings that were made years later)?

>

>Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

 

The EARLIEST SCRAP of what may have been part of what, 300 years

later, became known as the Bible, dates from around 115 AD, which is

almost 100 years after Jesus died. Mike asked you for witnesses that

wrote what they saw when Jesus was alive. As far as any scholar

knows, there is none. You have information that no one else has?

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid

consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and

ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who

works on the basis of reward and punishment. "

- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215

Posted

Jason wrote:

> In article <MPG.219bee4e977e1c5998a2d4@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>

>> In article <Jason-0711071218260001@66-53-212-85.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>>> In article <5pe02lFqsumtU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:Jason-0611071918480001@66.53.220.228...

>>>>> In article <jc62j35r2l218rb27tooj038aq3ukium69@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>>>>> <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>>>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>>>>>>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> snip

>>>>>>>>>>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

>>>>> My point

>>>>>>>>>>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings

> every day.

>>>>>>>>>> Cite?

>>>>>>>>> Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION

> hits, so

>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>> must be so.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>>>>>>>> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

>>>>>>> If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy

>>>>> killings--so be it.

>>>>>> You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy

>>>>>> killing performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever performed"?

>>>>> Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how many

>>>>> are performed each day.

>>>> Then why did you assert that "many different doctors perform mercy

> killings

>>>> every day"?

>>> Because I believe that statement.

>>>

>> Just like your belief in the old man in the sky, believing it does not

>> make it so. I believe in facts, not feelings.

>>

>> Jim

>

> Mercy killing is legal in one state. Mercy killing is legal in various

> countries. Therefore, many different doctors perform mercy killings every

> day.

 

Executions are legal in several states. Guess what: we have gone 3

months without an execution in the USA. Making new nuclear colliders is

legal. We've gone a couple of years without making a new one. Space

shuttle launches are legal. We launch one every few months. MANY things

are legal that don't happen "every day."

 

You really need to take some basic lessons in logic.

Posted

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

> [snips]

>

> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:19:54 -0800, Jason wrote:

>

>>> Why do you hate people so much you'd want to see them suffer eternally,

>>> simply because they're suffering here and want to end it?

>> I never stated that suicide is an unpardonable sin. I believe that is a

>> teaching of the Catholic church. I am not a Catholic.

>

> Last I checked, the reasoning behind it went something like this:

>

> A sin can be forgiven, but only if the person who committed it asks for

> forgiveness.

>

> A dead person cannot ask forgiveness.

>

> Thus suicide involves the sin of killing - murder, if you prefer - without

> any ability to ask forgiveness for having committed the sin, thus there can

> be no forgiveness, thus the person is condemned.

>

> So. Does forgiveness come _without_ asking for it? If so, we atheists

> don't need to do a damn thing. Does it come from someone _else_ asking we

> be forgiven? I'm sure there are a few folks, somewhere, praying along

> those lines - "please forgive everybody" - so we atheists again don't need

> to do a damned thing. How nice; in contradiction to pretty much

> everything the resident theists would have us believe, if either of these

> is true, everyone - believer or not - is virtually guaranteed forgiveness.

>

> Of course, we're still left with two possibilities, one being that killing

> isn't a sin, in which case much of the history of the church is excused,

> but we've also just invalidated a lot of other nonsense, such as the

> religious anti-abortion stance: go ahead and kill, not like there's any

> spiritual/moral reason not to.

>

> Or, of course, the last option, in which the dead can in fact ask for and

> receive forgiveness, in which case we atheists will be in the situation to

> "change our minds later" - see God and ask forgiveness then.

>

> None of which gives anyone a compelling reason to waste time and energy on

> the religion; after all, since you're virtually guaranteed to be forgiven

> and/or given a chance to ask it after you're dead, why waste your time

> dicking around with something so pointlessly tedious here?

>

> Ain't that sweet; Jason's pet fantasies come down to a choice between

> making his religion essentially irrelevant, or admitting that murder (even

> of self) isn't a sin so feel free, go ahead.

 

False quadricotomy<g>

 

There's also the 5th possibility: you ask for forgiveness for all future

since when you're "saved." So that would mean a person could become

"saved" and then go out and commit all kinds of mayhem and be

protected/forgiven for it. But that would leave us "poor atheists" screwed.

 

Also Jason HAS basically said that suicide IS a mortal sin when he said

"but a person could take some pills and then ask for forgiveness before

they take full effect" (or words to that effect. I don't have the exact

quote at hand.) If suicide isn't a mortal sin (i.e. one that will send

you to hell if not forgiven) then why would the person need to worry

about such?

Posted

Jason wrote:

> In article <fgsmu2$5v5$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>> Show us evidence that there is a "mercy killing" at least once a day

>> somewhere.

>

> It was an educated guess

 

There isn't a damned thing that'd "educated" about you.

 

since mercy killing is legal in at least one

> state. In addition, it's my understanding that mercy killing is legal in

> various countries. Many doctors in various states in America conduct mercy

> killings without anyone ever knowing about it. For example, they will give

> overdoses of various drugs and later claim that a mistake was

> made--especially if the police investigate the case. If you know any

> nurses, ask them whether or not they know about any mercy killings.

 

Are space shuttle launches legal? Of course, they are. Are they launched

"every day"? Of course they aren't.

 

Just because something is legal (or even if it's not) and just because

it happens, it doesn't mean it happens at least once a day.

Guest Robibnikoff
Posted

"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:Jason-0711071205260001@66-53-212-85.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> In article <5pdvu8Fqrj50U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:Jason-0611071210010001@66-53-214-48.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>> > In article <fgq765$hoi$1@austar-news.austar.net.au>, Masked Avenger

>> > <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> Jason wrote:

>> >> > In article <2td105-ou2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> [snips]

>> >> >>

>> >> >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:41:53 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >>> Did you know that many of the people that campaign at abortion

>> >> >>> clinics

>> >> >>> have been sued? They now have to campaign far away from the

>> >> >>> entrance

>> >> >>> of

>> >> >>> abortion clinics.

>> >> >> Based on certain past incidents, one might argue anywhere within

>> >> >> sniper

>> >> >> range is too close. Keep 'em back, oh, five miles.

>> >> >

>> >> > Those same rules should apply to people that campaign at the

>> >> > funerals

>> >> > of

>> >> > soldiers.

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> but ... but ...Jason those people ( Phelps and his Baptist clan )

>> >> claim

>> >> they are 'true' Christians ...... just like you !

>> >>

>> >> The good news is ......that they ( Phelps et al. ) just got there

>> >> arses

>> >> kicked to the tune of $11 million ...... for their stupid hate crimes

>> >> .......

>> >

>> > They are not Christians like me. They have their own agenda.

>>

>> And you don't?

>>

>> Just as there

>> > are lots of atheists that are nut cases--

>>

>> Really? Based on what evidence? Your opinon? Gonna Google for hits?

>

> No, I know there are atheists that are nut cases because I have read many

> of their posts in this newsgroup.

 

Uh huh. So, they're nutcases in your opinion, which means nothing here.

Gotcha.

 

Care to name some names, anyway?

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Guest Robibnikoff
Posted

"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:Jason-0711071216390001@66-53-212-85.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> In article <fgsmu2$5v5$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>> > I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

>>

>> No one said you did.

>>

>> My point

>> > was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

>>

>> And that's what we asked for evidence for.

>>

>> Show us evidence that there is a "mercy killing" at least once a day

>> somewhere.

>

> It was an educated guess since mercy killing is legal in at least one

> state. In addition, it's my understanding that mercy killing is legal in

> various countries. Many doctors in various states in America conduct mercy

> killings without anyone ever knowing about it.

 

Really? Prove it. Got a cite? Any real evidence? Anything other than your

mere opinion?

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Guest Robibnikoff
Posted

"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:Jason-0711071218260001@66-53-212-85.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> In article <5pe02lFqsumtU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:Jason-0611071918480001@66.53.220.228...

>> > In article <jc62j35r2l218rb27tooj038aq3ukium69@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>> >

>> >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>> >> >> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>> >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>snip

>> >> >> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

>> > My point

>> >> >> >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every

>> >> >> >>> day.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>Cite?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION hits,

>> >> >> > so

>> >> >> > it

>> >> >> > must be so.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

>> >> >

>> >> >If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy

>> > killings--so be it.

>> >>

>> >> You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy

>> >> killing performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever performed"?

>> >

>> > Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how

>> > many

>> > are performed each day.

>>

>> Then why did you assert that "many different doctors perform mercy

>> killings

>> every day"?

>

> Because I believe that statement.

 

Even though you apparently don't have a shred of evidence that proves it?

 

I hope you don't mind me calling "bullshit" then.

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Guest Robibnikoff
Posted

"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:Jason-0711071327010001@67-150-123-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> In article <MPG.219bee4e977e1c5998a2d4@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>

>> In article <Jason-0711071218260001@66-53-212-85.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>> > In article <5pe02lFqsumtU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >

>> > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> > > news:Jason-0611071918480001@66.53.220.228...

>> > > > In article <jc62j35r2l218rb27tooj038aq3ukium69@4ax.com>, Al Klein

>> > > > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:25 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason)

>> > > >> wrote:

>> > > >>

>> > > >> >In article <5pbareFqkdqsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> > > >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> > > >> >

>> > > >> >> "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message

>> > > >> >> news:2doui3lgc0aba28k52qp9umuq6uhc4hfls@4ax.com...

>> > > >> >> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:38:13 -0500, "Robibnikoff"

>> > > >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> > > >> >> >

>> > > >> >> >>

>> > > >> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>> > > >> >> >>

>> > > >> >> >>snip

>> > > >> >> >>> I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every

>> > > >> >> >>> day.

>> > > > My point

>> > > >> >> >>> was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings

> every day.

>> > > >> >> >>

>> > > >> >> >>Cite?

>> > > >> >> >

>> > > >> >> > Jason-proof. http://tinyurl.com/24bq6o Over 1.5 MILLION

> hits, so

>> > > >> >> > it

>> > > >> >> > must be so.

>> > > >> >> >

>> > > >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ytve2s is also interesting.

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> Are you fucking kidding me? THIS is his proof?

>> > > >> >

>> > > >> >If you choose to believe that no doctors ever perform mercy

>> > > > killings--so be it.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> You can't tell the difference between "there's at least one mercy

>> > > >> killing performed a day" and "no mercy killings are ever

>> > > >> performed"?

>> > > >

>> > > > Mercy killings are performed every day in America. I don't know how

>> > > > many

>> > > > are performed each day.

>> > >

>> > > Then why did you assert that "many different doctors perform mercy

> killings

>> > > every day"?

>> >

>> > Because I believe that statement.

>> >

>> Just like your belief in the old man in the sky, believing it does not

>> make it so. I believe in facts, not feelings.

>>

>> Jim

>

> Mercy killing is legal in one state. Mercy killing is legal in various

> countries. Therefore, many different doctors perform mercy killings every

> day.

 

Not necessarily. The last sentence is just your opinion - not fact.

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Posted

In article <fgv6jt$lhf$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <fgsmu2$5v5$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> >> Show us evidence that there is a "mercy killing" at least once a day

> >> somewhere.

> >

> > It was an educated guess

>

> There isn't a damned thing that'd "educated" about you.

>

> since mercy killing is legal in at least one

> > state. In addition, it's my understanding that mercy killing is legal in

> > various countries. Many doctors in various states in America conduct mercy

> > killings without anyone ever knowing about it. For example, they will give

> > overdoses of various drugs and later claim that a mistake was

> > made--especially if the police investigate the case. If you know any

> > nurses, ask them whether or not they know about any mercy killings.

>

> Are space shuttle launches legal? Of course, they are. Are they launched

> "every day"? Of course they aren't.

>

> Just because something is legal (or even if it's not) and just because

> it happens, it doesn't mean it happens at least once a day.

 

I will concede that if we are only discussing America--you may be correct.

Perhaps there are some days in America that no mercy killings take place.

However, I hope that you will concede that at least one mercy killing

takes place in at least one country in this world every day. It's my

understanding that mercy killing is legal in various countries.

jason

Posted

In article <5pgo22FnhfcnU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:Jason-0711071216390001@66-53-212-85.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> > In article <fgsmu2$5v5$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Jason wrote:

> >> > I did not mean that every doctor does mercy killings every day.

> >>

> >> No one said you did.

> >>

> >> My point

> >> > was that many different doctors conduct mercy killings every day.

> >>

> >> And that's what we asked for evidence for.

> >>

> >> Show us evidence that there is a "mercy killing" at least once a day

> >> somewhere.

> >

> > It was an educated guess since mercy killing is legal in at least one

> > state. In addition, it's my understanding that mercy killing is legal in

> > various countries. Many doctors in various states in America conduct mercy

> > killings without anyone ever knowing about it.

>

> Really? Prove it. Got a cite? Any real evidence? Anything other than your

> mere opinion?

 

No--it's an educated guess based upon the above info. that is in my post.

Posted

In article <fgv416$im5$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > I feel the same way about the stupid people that repeat over and over and

> > over that Iran is developing nuclear materials that will be used for

> > peaceful purposes. Every intelligent person knows that Iran could use oil

> > to produce all of the electric power that is needed.

>

> No, every INTELLIGENT person (which leaves you out) knows that you need

> to diversify your energy sources since oil won't last forever (and since

> nuclear power can't be used to grease axles with and make plastics, etc.

> I.e. if you have an alternative, use it and save the oil for those

> things that we don't have alternatives for.)

 

You left out one of the uses for nuclear materials---nuclear weapons.

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