Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/02/09/exit.exam.lawsuit.ap/index.html These stupid "graduates" need to be held back! If you have ever seen a government standardized test, then you know that any retard could pass one. Another laughable pont is that the lawyers are claiming the test to be descriminatory because it requires the takers of the test to know English! Can you believe that shit? Hey, morons! It requires you to know math as well! Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
ToriAllen Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 No kidding. The girl in the picture didn't look Mexican to me, and she passed the English portion of the test... The problem is that the parents of these individuals ignore them when they are kids, and the school system pushes them through the grades. Half of these idiots don't learn the basics while they are in grade school. There are too many high school grads that can't do basic math, and have difficulty with writing and reading comprehension. No one that is coming straight out of high school should have to take remedial classes. Remedial classes are supposed to be for individuals who have been out of school a while and need a refresher course. If anyone should be sued it is the public school system for allowing these idiots to graduate. The tests should not be made easier, that is already a problem with our country. We need to improve our schools, and make them more challenging. We need to up the standards required to advance in grade school and to graduate high school. If these lazy idiots don't like it, well, someone has to dig the ditches and flip burgers. Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted February 10, 2006 Author Posted February 10, 2006 It was late at night when I first posted this, It should read "People who cater to stupid people piss me off" because the stupid people are just stupid and like tori says, somebody has to work in brothels (or was that flip burgers)... anyway, it's the lawyers and parents and school system and anyone else who would even listen to the ridiculous notion that a standardized test was descriminatory. Furthermore, if someone couldn't pass one of those moronic standardized tests, then they should have to repeat school! Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
ImWithStupid Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 The problem is people like these parents who instead of doing what is necessary to get their kids to meet the requirements for graduation they try to sue and "lawyer" their kids through. They feel they did their job raising their kids and are just entitled to a high school diploma because their kids didn't quit before 12th grade. Bullshit, earn it or it doesn't mean a thing. If everyone is just passed because they spent their time, with or without actually learning the curriculum, the diploma will become a worthless piece of paper. I sure as shit wouldn't let a celebrity who gets an honorary degree from a university to practice under that degree. We would have a bunch of honorary high school diplomas that mean you don't know shit but have this document. Quote
ToriAllen Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 We should sue the public schools and get our tax dollars back. What a waste of money. Public schools are a joke. I work with my kids and prepare them for school, but they are bored out of their minds because the teacher has to dumb it down for the stupid kids with absentee parents. We need to take a clue from countries with superior educational records, like Japan. The problem with that is it would never fly here. The mentality in this country is disgusting. Everyone wants a free ride, something for nothing, and I blame it on government assistance programs that encourage Americans to be lazy. There is also a breakdown in family ethics and a sense of societal cohesiveness. There is no such thing as being ashamed of your actions anymore, or having too much pride to mooch off of others. No one gives a crap about what others think or about what contributions they are making to keep this country going. We live in a very selfish society. Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted February 10, 2006 Author Posted February 10, 2006 We should sue the public schools and get our tax dollars back. What a waste of money. Public schools are a joke. I work with my kids and prepare them for school, but they are bored out of their minds because the teacher has to dumb it down for the stupid kids with absentee parents. We need to take a clue from countries with superior educational records, like Japan. The problem with that is it would never fly here. The mentality in this country is disgusting. Everyone wants a free ride, something for nothing, and I blame it on government assistance programs that encourage Americans to be lazy. There is also a breakdown in family ethics and a sense of societal cohesiveness. There is no such thing as being ashamed of your actions anymore, or having too much pride to mooch off of others. No one gives a crap about what others think or about what contributions they are making to keep this country going. We live in a very selfish society. Amen sister! preach it! I just happen to agree 100% with you. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Hamza123 Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 Funny, 2 years back when my sisters was in her final high school year, she came out with the highest average in her grade and highest mark in university english... And she was born and raised near Dubai... Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
ToriAllen Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 Funny, 2 years back when my sisters was in her final high school year, she came out with the highest average in her grade and highest mark in university english... And she was born and raised near Dubai... I have noticed that the friends I have from overseas speak better English than the idiots born and raised here. My friend from Nigeria just shakes her head at the way blacks in America speak. Ebonics is a language born of ignorance and inferior education. If I were a part of that culture I would do everything I could to rise above, and eradicate that part of my history. The problem is that people here want the education system to be shaped around their knowledge, instead of shaping their knowledge through education. Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
TheJenn88 Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 1/4 of seniors in california aren't passing the exit exam? What?! I'm sorry, but even the education system can't fail that bad. It's the students who aren't working hard enough. -twitch- And that whole English language bit - how it's discriminatory to those who aren't fluent in it. Well, I ask, what the hell are you doing in a country whose national language is...ENGLISH. By god, why the hell would someone want to speak the national language?! That's insane. But truly, people shouldn't be let out into the world if they can't work fluently with it. Quote
hugo Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 I"ll bet if you compare the scores of white and asian Americans that we come out quite well compared to the rest of the world. It is a cultural bias against education that is being nourished in hispanic and black communities that is the problem. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/02/09/exit.exam.lawsuit.ap/index.html These stupid "graduates" need to be held back! If you have ever seen a government standardized test, then you know that any retard could pass one. Another laughable pont is that the lawyers are claiming the test to be descriminatory because it requires the takers of the test to know English! Can you believe that shit? Hey, morons! It requires you to know math as well! At some point tests will be banned because they discriminate against the stupid. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted February 11, 2006 Author Posted February 11, 2006 At some point tests will be banned because they discriminate against the stupid. LMAO! How true. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
ImWithStupid Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 I got this joke e-mail but even though it's a joke, I think there's some truth to and why so many kids today don't have any work ethic in schools or in the workforce. Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58. The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies. While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why do I tell you this? Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s: Teaching Math In 1950 A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit? Teaching Math In 1960 A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? Teaching Math In 1970 A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 Did he make a profit? Teaching Math In 1980 A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. Teaching Math In 1990 A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers.) Teaching Math In 2005 Un ranchero vende una carretera de I have actually done stuff like this when at a fast food restaraunt or store. If my total is something like $4.85, I'll give the kid $5.64 and watch their head explode. Quote
manicmonday Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 1/4 of seniors in california aren't passing the exit exam? What?! I'm sorry, but even the education system can't fail that bad. It's the students who aren't working hard enough. -twitch- And that whole English language bit - how it's discriminatory to those who aren't fluent in it. Well, I ask, what the hell are you doing in a country whose national language is...ENGLISH. By god, why the hell would someone want to speak the national language?! That's insane. But truly, people shouldn't be let out into the world if they can't work fluently with it. My one response to people who won't learn English when they live here is to put them to work on the Fryer at Micky D's for a week, they will learn. Quote The dick has no conscience and the heart has no rational abilities.
builder Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 How very true. As a former teacher, and student of University, I was told by the Senior lecturer of Adult education that math is no longer an important asset. As a construction trainer, I had to teach people the very difficult art of reading a ruler, before we could get onto the real tricky bits, like finding the centre of a length of timber. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
manicmonday Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 How very true. As a former teacher, and student of University, I was told by the Senior lecturer of Adult education that math is no longer an important asset. As a construction trainer, I had to teach people the very difficult art of reading a ruler, before we could get onto the real tricky bits, like finding the centre of a length of timber. I liked my shop teacher. But damn he was hot and when he bent over, I didn't mind learning to do math................. Quote The dick has no conscience and the heart has no rational abilities.
tizz Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 the entire system is screwed up, but to base a kids graduation on one test is nuts. if a child has taken the proper courses and can prove through their work that they comprehend the information and can use it practically, they should be granted graduation. One test does not an education prove. there needs to be more to it. Still a complete overhaul of the public education system would be nice Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
scout Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 When we got into Algebra I wasn't understanding the concept fully so I asked my teacher for help. She told me she already went over that. Pissed me off ! Went to the Super and got a class with one other person and a new teacher. After a week I got it and was sent back to the old bitch. Quote
Komrade Vostok Hazard Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 HOLY SWEET FUCKING DINGO SHIT. Tizzy said something that actually resembles something that isn't stupid. I'd give you some rep but I'm busy playing in the idiot box and I still think you'll always be a shitstain. Holding them back for one test? Yea ok, that's real bright. Student aces all the regular assignments and yet they get held back for not passing a specific test. WHY FUCKING HOLD THEM BACK OVER NOTHING? When we got into Algebra I wasn't understanding the concept fully so I asked my teacher for help. She told me she already went over that. Pissed me off ! Went to the Super and got a class with one other person and a new teacher. After a week I got it and was sent back to the old bitch.p This is EXACTLY what happened to me back in elementary school. The teachers couldn't teach algebra to save their lives.... My fucking PARENTS had to teach me how to do it. Quote All bullshit, No Business.
tizz Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 I had to relearn algebra at 23 to take the sat's. I went for a week with my old Algebra teacher (I was his biggest nightmare and STILL have no clue what a funcion is) but it worked. I lucked out and aside from a couple of total dolts, had pretty dedicated teachers. I ended up beating out %90 of the juniors from my old high school. Now THAT is sad. maybe it's just that at 23 I understood the need to do well. generally I did well on tests, it was the fact that I NEVER did homework and rarely showed up for class that I failed anything. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted February 12, 2006 Author Posted February 12, 2006 I had to relearn algebra at 23 to take the sat's. I went for a week with my old Algebra teacher (I was his biggest nightmare and STILL have no clue what a funcion is) but it worked. I lucked out and aside from a couple of total dolts, had pretty dedicated teachers. I ended up beating out %90 of the juniors from my old high school. Now THAT is sad. maybe it's just that at 23 I understood the need to do well. generally I did well on tests, it was the fact that I NEVER did homework and rarely showed up for class that I failed anything. We already knew you were stupid, tizz... Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
ToriAllen Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 the entire system is screwed up, but to base a kids graduation on one test is nuts. if a child has taken the proper courses and can prove through their work that they comprehend the information and can use it practically, they should be granted graduation. One test does not an education prove. there needs to be more to it. Still a complete overhaul of the public education system would be nice Wrong. Kids can BS their way through classes doing the minimal amount of work necessary and memorizing long enough to take the tests in class without ever really learning anything. The test is to ensure that they are really learning the materials and retaining the information for more than 24 hours. Holding them back for one test? Yea ok, that's real bright. Student aces all the regular assignments and yet they get held back for not passing a specific test. WHY FUCKING HOLD THEM BACK OVER NOTHING? The kids that make A’s are not the ones who have problems on these tests. It is the slackers who don’t show up for class or do their assigned work (see example below). They are the ones who can’t pass the English part of the test because they are not in class enough to learn how to spell or form a proper sentence (see example below and above your post). I ended up beating out %90 of the juniors from my old high school. Now THAT is sad. maybe it's just that at 23 I understood the need to do well. generally I did well on tests, it was the fact that I NEVER did homework and rarely showed up for class that I failed anything. We already said the tests are a joke and the kids are lazy these days…. Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
tizz Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 Yes, but I also stated that beside needing a complete overhaul, students that CAN PROVE through their work and classroom testing that they COMPREHEND the material should not be able to be helpd back by a single test. Especially when you realise the kind of pressure they are put under over that ONE TEST. They are putting the same kind of pressure on fourth graders. i am allready considering homeschooling my child for that year just so that she can learn something other than ONE TEST the whole year and not have experience that kind of pressure at 11 years old. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
ToriAllen Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 They are putting the same kind of pressure on fourth graders. i am allready considering homeschooling my child for that year just so that she can learn something other than ONE TEST the whole year and not have experience that kind of pressure at 11 years old. Yes, heaven forbid children have any educational pressure on them. Wouldn't want them to learn any of those valuable coping skills when it comes to stress. If you just scrape by in class but fail the comprehensive test, you should not be allowed to move to the next grade. My disagreement is with the schools and teachers being penalized for failing students. I think it encourages teachers and schools to skew results. The testing process is a good thing. If they learned the material, they should have no problem on the test and it should not be stressful. If they are not intelligent, well, this should weed them out of the college pool. Generally, it is the slackers and ignoramuses that are against testing and rigorous educational plans. Those who pay attention and work hard have nothing to worry about. Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Lethalfind Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 If people are upset about one exit exam in California they should read up on the Florida system of FCATs, they test them several times throughout their grade school career. If they fail then no matter how good their grades are, they get held back. Some people withdraw their kids and put them in private schools or homeschool them rather then make sure their kids put in the extra time so they meet the requirements. Sad really. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
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