legalizing marijuana

[snafu]

Drugs in general are re-precautions of greed for the easy buck. And both sides make it. The drug dealer and the government.

Yes the government gets money to “fight the war”.

 

Pot was a way to be introduced to stronger drugs.

Remember?

Well if I didn’t see that stupid movie of the guy trying to jump out a window after a joint I might have believe that harder drugs had a far more profound effect. Fuck the drug education in my day was a joke.

 

Put the drugs into perspective. Pot doesn’t hurt anybody!

If they get to the point were they can’t quit from reform, the crack head or the heroin addict will die!

Trust me one this one. I’ve seen it first hand.

The shit will fix itself!

[ToriAllen]

I know what the definition of gang is. I also know it's not pack of wanna be kids. I've seen the violence in my own home town and the town I live in now. If you haven't opened your eyes the violence that's around, that's not my ignorance. They are not found in larger cities exclusively.

Glad to hear you know what one is, but disturbing to hear that you would generalize your experiences to everyone. So, because I do not have gang violence in the po-dunk town I live in now, and did not experience it in my home town outside of Atlanta, I must be ignorant or blind, right? Because you have experienced it in all two of the places you have lived it must be everywhere

[snafu]

A couple of kids and some guns can be called a gang.

[manicmonday]

The only reason you replied in this thread and questioned my post is because I questioned a post of yours in the Quirks thread. You had not read the rest of the thread before you made your reply, as it had nothing to do with the current conversation. You are transparent in the fact that you chose to argue with the one person on here that agrees with your views on the topics of the thread, but have failed to reply to, or argue with, those supporting something you claim to be so passionately against. You have made a pathetic attempt to recover by skimming the posts in the thread and claiming them to be of no value. I suggest in the future that you avoid embarrassing yourself in this way.

__________________

 

 

Someone thinks highly of themselves:eek: . I will not reply on the posts that are irrelovent. I don't have the time, like some people do.

 

I have my Master's in Pyschology, so if you want to discuss, let's do. However, I have the ablity to disagree with some one on a thread and agree with them on another thread. Adulthood is wonderful like that. You have made a pathetic attempt to think this is about something that it's not. I agree with you only on the fact that legalization of drugs is a disasterous idea. Everything else you have said pretty much reads like dribble. I'm honestly glad that you think I have lived in two towns to experienced what gang activity looks like. Not true.

I don't solely rely on stats as my basis of living either. I do rely on what I have experienced and what I know to be fact. I do rely on the proper analysis of my environment. It's easy to read a book in pyschology and say yes I agree with that. It's alot harder to look at the reality of what's going around you and say, man I wonder how to fix it. A degree means nothing with out real life experience in order to know how to process the learned information.

[ToriAllen]

A couple of kids and some guns can be called a gang.

It takes a bit more than that. Down where I am, a couple of kids with guns are called a hunting club. It is a mentality that makes a gang. They don

[Lethalfind]

I have some friends who smoke pot.

They all have jobs. They all take care of their responsibilites. The only difference between them and those who DON'T smoke is that, at the end of the day, they like to toke up a bit and relax. How is it different from you going home and having a glass of wine at the end of the day? 'Pot-smoker' is NOT synonymous with 'irresponsible loser'.

 

I didn't clarify I guess, I know that not all people who smoke pot are irresponsible losers, I have a couple friends who smoke from time to time, who are very responsible, they are clearly not the problem.

The problem is the people with the addictive personalities who don't do it casually.

As for me, I rarely drink, I don't have a glass of anything every night. I have had the same bottle of vodka for a month now.

I don't see a real difference in drinking and smoking pot, other then the legal issues.

However I do know that adding one more substance that people can become addicted to might be a problem.

[manicmonday]

Yeah, and it is really easy to buy a degree online these days, huh? You should take the knowledge you learn in books and apply it to your experience. Experience is nothing without the wisdom to learn from it. I can learn a lot from reading. I can learn about the effects of drugs without having to take them. I can learn about brain disorders without having one myself. I can also learn about things such as gangs and other socially deviant sub-cultures by reading the studies and accounts of other who have studied and lived it. You really should try to read more, and keep an open mind to the fact that not everyones experiences are the same as yours.

 

 

I wouldn't trust any thing anyone says on here as gosple. This is a site for GF, and shit stirring. So really what people say on here is 10% real and 90% inflation. Everyone is included in this. So what I spelled Master's wrong? I have 100 other things going on beside this board. I didn't get my degrees on line. All 8+ years. Yes perspective can be skewed. But I trust a therapist who has more years of experience in the real world than in the book world. I would hire some one with more experience than years of schooling.

Your right, not every one's experience is the same as mine. But where your wrong is my mind is very open to other people's experience. I'm also aware it's easy for people to shut their eyes to what they don't want to see, be it gangs, mental disorders, what have you. Those you can't really learn out of book, you have to learn from people's experience and perspective. I feel sorry for your "patients" if your looking straight from the books for the answers.

[angie]

I didn't clarify I guess, I know that not all people who smoke pot are irresponsible losers, I have a couple friends who smoke from time to time, who are very responsible, they are clearly not the problem.

The problem is the people with the addictive personalities who don't do it casually.

As for me, I rarely drink, I don't have a glass of anything every night. I have had the same bottle of vodka for a month now.

I don't see a real difference in drinking and smoking pot, other then the legal issues.

However I do know that adding one more substance that people can become addicted to might be a problem.

Gotcha.

I have to say, though, that I have seen more people develop problems with alcohol than with marijuana. Alcohol seems to be the more addictive substance of the two. Then again, I know more people who drink than smoke, most likely due to the legal issue. Regardless, neither substance is good for you when used too much.

[lilcutie8900]

guess what i love drinking too. i love beer! i love both of them at the same time. its alot of fun. and it good stuff.

[tiredofwhiners]

guess what i love drinking too. i love beer! i love both of them at the same time. its alot of fun. and it good stuff.

 

Every time i read any of your posts, i picture Ally Sheedy in the Breakfast Club typing. Am i alone on this?

[eisanbt]

The students of that movie were ment to be fine examples of their sterotypes, the young lady too seems to be a walking/typing sterotype a certainly a fine example of why we should abolish MTV.

 

(Yes that was ment to be a little mean but start making productive posts and you won't have suffer such scrutiny.)

[lilcutie8900]

whatever i love getting high and drinking. and i am not a stereotype. i do what i feel like no what other people want to do or say. i have my own opinions.

[eisanbt]

I said nothing against drinking of pot use. If you do have real opinions then start sharing them in their fullness, and back them up with logic and/or evidence or your opposition will chew you up. We are here to argue, statments are not arguments.

[lilcutie8900]

ok fine! i will.

[hugo]

With rights comes responsibility. In order to legalize drug use our welfare state must also be dismantled and the extra prison space should be used to harshly punish crimes against person and property. At the very least receipients of government aid should be required to submit to tests for drug use. An adult should be able to do as he wishes..as long as he pays for it. A libertarian state grants personal freedom...it also demands personal responsibility.

[builder]

So define the "adult" status.

 

In one breath you call for drug testing, and in the next you call for self-determination.

 

Make up your fucking mind Hugo.

[ToriAllen]

Will you please learn how to quote? It is the button in the lower right-hand side of the post. It just makes it easier to read. Thanks.

 

I wouldn't trust any thing anyone says on here as gosple. This is a site for GF, and shit stirring. So really what people say on here is 10% real and 90% inflation. Everyone is included in this.

I am well aware that the internet is a place for people to be who that wish to be rather than who they actually are, but I am just me. I have no persona here. The only difference between the me in real life and the me on here is the name and the opportunity to discuss topics that just don’t come up in everyday life. I am who I am.

So what I spelled Master's wrong? I have 100 other things going on beside this board.

You misspelled psychology. I also have a lot going on.

I didn't get my degrees on line. All 8+ years.

How many degrees do you have?

Yes perspective can be skewed. But I trust a therapist who has more years of experience in the real world than in the book world. I would hire some one with more experience than years of schooling.

Generally you must have the education before you can begin to get the experience, therefore, the years education is the same regardless of experience, so I would prefer the person with more experience with their education as well. However, I would prefer the person who is passionate about what they do and reads all of the latest studies to stay current, to the person with experience who is stuck in their ways and has no clue what the latest research is saying about their field.

Your right, not every one's experience is the same as mine. But where your wrong is my mind is very open to other people's experience.

As you have proven in this thread.

I'm also aware it's easy for people to shut their eyes to what they don't want to see, be it gangs, mental disorders, what have you.

I never shut my eyes to issues. I do the opposite. I research them exhaustively from as many perspectives as I can. Which is why I under stand your perspective, having dealt with gang violence, as well as you inability to realize that there are many people who don’t live anywhere near that sub-culture.

Those you can't really learn out of book, you have to learn from people's experience and perspective. I feel sorry for your "patients" if your looking straight from the books for the answers.

I disagree. Sometimes it is very helpful to read biographies of individuals who have been in that situation, rather than tracking people down and interviewing them. There are also many helpful studies by professionals in the field. There is a reason you must go to school to become a doctor. If every human had to relearn everything from scratch, it would take a lifetime to get where a student can get in four years. Books contain a massive amount of collective knowledge gained from other people’s experiences over hundreds, even thousands of years. Others failures and successes are right there for us to learn from. There are things found in books that you would never learn from experience. There are ideas others have thought of that you would never think of on your own. I read a great deal of books, but I integrate that knowledge gained in to the experiences I have. Obviously there are going to be things that you will learn in life that can’t be found in books, and in some cases experience is better. When learning a language, for instance, it is much better if you live in a culture where that language is spoken on a regular basis. You can not base your ideas solely on experience. In order to be a knowledgeable, well-rounded individual, you must integrate the two.

[Lethalfind]

Gotcha.

I have to say, though, that I have seen more people develop problems with alcohol than with marijuana. Alcohol seems to be the more addictive substance of the two. Then again, I know more people who drink than smoke, most likely due to the legal issue. Regardless, neither substance is good for you when used too much.

 

I absolutely agree, to my knowledge the health risks are varied and many with alcohol, I have just never heard of anyone dying of pot use.

 

I also wonder what the correlation between people who smoke pot and cigarettes, maybe everyone can comment on that. The health risks would be hard to track in that case. When I smoked pot I didn't smoke cigarettes, is this unusual? I would have to say its split about 50/50 with the people I have been around.

 

I don't know this but I have read that cigarettes companies add things to their cigs to make them more addictive and they end up being more harmful for you then pot is in its natural form.

 

I can only imagine that the same would happen if Pot was legalized.

 

I feel that when a person has an addiction, whatever it might be, pills, pot, cocaine drinking etc. that should be their problem to take care of. Everyone of you that has an insurance plan, has to pay more money to the insurance company because of your chemical dependency benefits. Whether you in fact use them or not. The insurance company incurs huge costs babysitting addicts and boozers and we all have to suffer for it. I for one resent the cost. Of course I'm not sympathetic because I've never been there...exactly I've never been there but I still pay extra for those that CHOOSE to go there...who have to be detoxed off of whatever substance they have stuck up their nose or in their vein, or pulled out of a bottle.

[ToriAllen]

I don't see a real difference in drinking and smoking pot, other then the legal issues.

Alcohol, in moderation, has health benefits including lower chance of heart attack.

Pot has no know health benefits.

 

One glass of wine, or even two or three, and you don't feel the effects. You have to drink in excess to get tipsy. The recommended amount of alcohol is one small glass of wine. (There is a big difference between Vodka and wine)

 

One puff of 'the magic dragon' and you immediately feel the effects. You can feel the effects fro second hand pot smoke. I've never heard of feeling drunk from second hand alcohol.

 

I also wonder what the correlation between people who smoke pot and cigarettes, maybe everyone can comment on that. The health risks would be hard to track in that case. When I smoked pot I didn't smoke cigarettes, is this unusual? I would have to say its split about 50/50 with the people I have been around.

I'm just curious about your allergies... Are you as allergic to pot smoke as you are cigarette smoke?

[manicmonday]

Will you please learn how to quote? It is the button in the lower right-hand side of the post. It just makes it easier to read. Thanks.

 

I'm not here to make your life easier. If you can't read it, put it on ignore. Won't hurt my feelings.

[manicmonday]

How many degrees do you have?

 

 

Master of Psychology,

Master in Business Management

Cosmetology License

Massage Therapy License

 

I doubled majored both times, took 18 credit hours a semester and worked full time. I'm glad you made this about my education. What a nice distraction. I could use quote, but why when it irratates you.

[ToriAllen]

Will you please learn how to quote? It is the button in the lower right-hand side of the post. It just makes it easier to read. Thanks.

 

I'm not here to make your life easier. If you can't read it, put it on ignore. Won't hurt my feelings.

It just makes you look technologically handicapped, not to mention schizophrenic.

 

I'm glad you made this about my education. What a nice distraction. I could use quote, but why when it irratates you.

I don’t really care about your made-up educational background. It was more of a sardonic question. You can’t pull a side comment out of a much larger post and say I’m using distraction. I have responded to every comment that you have made. It is you who keeps bringing the focus farther and farther from the point of the original post by ignoring my questions and comments that are related to the thread, as well as everyone else’s I might add.

[Lethalfind]

Alcohol, in moderation, has health benefits including lower chance of heart attack.

Pot has no know health benefits.

 

One glass of wine, or even two or three, and you don't feel the effects. You have to drink in excess to get tipsy. The recommended amount of alcohol is one small glass of wine. (There is a big difference between Vodka and wine)

 

One puff of 'the magic dragon' and you immediately feel the effects. You can feel the effects fro second hand pot smoke. I've never heard of feeling drunk from second hand alcohol.

 

 

I'm just curious about your allergies... Are you as allergic to pot smoke as you are cigarette smoke?

 

I'm not allergic, smoke in general makes me cough alot...pot smoke or cigarette smoke, campfire smoke etc.. I haven't smoked pot since before my daughter was born, I actually tried it once about a year ago but I couldn't take it because of the smoke. I have'nt always had asthma, it has only been a problem for me in the last 4-5 years.

 

I have been told by a doctor friend that pot helps alot in people who are nauseous from chemo for example and people who have glaucoma claim it helps their problem as well.

 

In fact you can get THC in prescription form, it doesn't feel the same because it goes into the system more slowly in the pill then it does in the form of being smoked.

[ToriAllen]

I'm not allergic, smoke in general makes me cough alot...pot smoke or cigarette smoke, campfire smoke etc.. I haven't smoked pot since before my daughter was born, I actually tried it once about a year ago but I couldn't take it because of the smoke. I have'nt always had asthma, it has only been a problem for me in the last 4-5 years.

I've heard of that. My friend didn't develope asthma until after she had her first child. I'm not sure what causes it though. I might have to look it up...

 

I have been told by a doctor friend that pot helps alot in people who are nauseous from chemo for example and people who have glaucoma claim it helps their problem as well.

 

In fact you can get THC in prescription form, it doesn't feel the same because it goes into the system more slowly in the pill then it does in the form of being smoked.

Alcohol in moderation is beneficial to everyone. I

[scout]

I've heard of that. My friend didn't develope asthma until after she had her first child. I'm not sure what causes it though. I might have to look it up...

 

 

Alcohol in moderation is beneficial to everyone. I