Holocaust Myth?

[fullauto]

In Defense of Free Thought

 

 

 

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/32693/

 

excellent article... whether you agree with it or not!

 

What goes on in western society with concern to free speech is no less damaging than laws passed in the 1930-40's in Germany! The imprisonment of ANYONE for stating their own beliefs is a direct assault on Freedom of speech... regardless of how maligned the purpose is...

 

Can anyone here imagine being imprisoned for saying Bush is a bad president!? or that Xtianity is the truth!? Can you imagine posting something about Islam on this sight... about how Islam is evil, and then being thrown in prison for it?!

 

What is going on over there and very much in the US too, is the desensitising of the masses to the eventual conversion to a police state, with suppressed thoughts and the whole nine yards!

 

WAKE UP ! !

 

The Communists are here... They have been here for a long time! The Soviet Union collapsed, but the movment is alive and well! and the fact that very few people can see it is testament that both we have been desensitised to it, and that it almost complete...

[pjbuk]

http://www.zen13564.zen.co.uk/filesoffered/irving.mp3

 

David Irving interviewed this morning from jail on BBC Radio4 with a response from Professor Richard Evans, a Historian with opposing views.

[Rockhard]

Did any of you have family members in wwII, my father was there from normandy to VE day. The pictures that he brought back of the twenty feet high mounds of corpses that were nothing more than skin stretched over bone, were real my friends. Pfc paul creason took these pictures himself when The first amry liberated some of these camps. Yes the holacaust was real, but I do not believe we the american people owe Isarel anything. Our govts. reason for throwing all this aid to israel is because The bible says that the holy land will be restored to the jews. God might have meant just enough to cover their dead bodies. Some of our relegious teaching is more or less creative litature.

[pjbuk]

An Auschwitz Eyewitness Account

 

By Thies Christophersen

3-7-6

 

My booklet, The Auschwitz Lie, has become an under-the-counter bestseller. It has appeared in French, Spanish, Dutch, Danish and even Hungarian, as well as in several English language editions. Actually, there's nothing very remarkable about The Auschwitz Lie except that it was written by someone who was in Auschwitz and~who recorded his experiences and recollections. People generally prefer to read sensational reports, and my booklet is certainly not that.

 

In the spirit of Martin Luther, I try to speak positively and influence things for the best. But I was accused of "popular incitement" (Volksverhetzung) for doing that. I spent a year in prison, even though the charge of popular incitement was eventually dropped. However, the charges of "contempt against the state" and defamation of the Jews, who now enjoy special protection in this regard, were not dropped. I was also accused of defaming the memory of the dead.

 

In this regard, the son of Count Schenk von Stauffenberg appeared as a co-plaintiff against me because I had called his father a traitor. Well, I wouldn't like it either if my own father had been insulted, and so I wasn't offended when Stauffenberg junior sought to rehabilitate his father's reputation. All the same, there wasn't any need for a criminal indictment. If he had sent me a letter justifying his father's actions, I certainly would have published the complete text of it in my magazine. Of course, I would also have commented on it, as I always do with critical letters from readers.

 

I'd like to describe my experiences and observations since the publication of my first-person report about Auschwitz. When I wrote my report, I was criticized on the grounds that, although I was in the camp and saw nothing of mass gassings, that fact did not necessarily mean that there were none. All the same, I can say with certainty that there were no mass gassings at Auschwitz.

 

I don't write under a pen name. I even gave my address and telephone number. I have received thousands of letters and calls. Many of those who contacted me can confirm my statements, but are afraid to do so publicly. Some of those are SS men who were brutally mistreated and even tortured in Allied captivity.

 

I also immediately contacted those who claimed to know more about mass gassings. My experiences were precisely the same as those of French professor Paul Rassinier. I have not found any eyewitnesses. Instead, people would tell me that they knew someone who knew someone else, who talked about it. In most cases the alleged eyewitnesses had died. Other supposed eyewitnesses would quickly begin to stammer and stutter when I asked a few precise questions. Even Simon Wiesenthal had to finally admit before a Frankfurt district court that he was actually never in Auschwitz. All of the reports I have heard about are contradictory.

 

Everyone seemed to tell a different story about the gas chambers. They couldn't even agree about where they were supposed to have been located.,This is also true of the so-called scholarly literature, which is full of contradictions.

 

I want to try to explain how such stories get started. When I tell fairy tales to my grandchildren, I often speak as if I am there in the story myself, so that the children will believe them. Many people also have a tendency to embellish what they say. Some enjoy getting others to believe their false tales. And then there are the so-called "bull stories" (Latrinenparolen). Every veteran knows about these. Those interned in prison camps particularly like to invent and spread such stories.

 

So, I have an explanation for how the story got started that corpses were burned in open fires at Auschwitz. There were also "bull stories" at Auschwitz. My maid, Olga, once told my mother, who was visiting me at Auschwitz, about a fire in which people were being burned. I asked Olga about that. She didn't know anything for sure, but she said that a fire could always be seen in the direction of Bielitz. I drove in that direction but found only a large industrial plant where inmates were also working. I looked over the entire camp and inspected all the fires and smoking chimneys. But I didn't find anything suspicious. I asked my colleagues, but they answered merely by shrugging their shoulders and saying that I shouldn't believe "bull stories."

 

There was indeed a crematory at Auschwitz. After all, 200,000 people lived there and every city has a crematory. Of course, people died there as well - and not just inmates. The wife of SS Lt. Col. Caesar, for example, died there of typhus. I was satisfied with those answers at the time.

 

Today, I know much more about this matter. At first, those who died at Auschwitz were buried, but because of the high ground water level (one meter) in this area between the Vistula and Sola rivers, that practice couldn't be continued. A labor team headed by SS Staff Sergeant Moll (who had been in charge of the agricultural nursery at Raisko) was assigned to dig up the buried corpses and burn them. This was done on an open fire. The most unbelievable stories were told about this procedure. West German television even broadcast a film of this which was supposedly made in secret by an SS man.

 

There's another factor which has played a role in all this. The defense attorneys for the so-called German war criminals were not entirely blameless. Every defense attorney wants freedom for his client and, as a result, the attorneys often argued that persons who were already dead were guilty of the alleged crimes. SS Sergeant Moll was killed in action in the final days of the war.

 

During this period I also received a report from the brother-inlaw of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf H

[fullauto]

I spent a year in prison, even though the charge of popular incitement was eventually dropped. However, the charges of "contempt against the state" and defamation of the Jews, who now enjoy special protection in this regard, were not dropped. I was also accused of defaming the memory of the dead.

 

I'm floored... absolutely floored...

 

I hope I'm not the only one who finds special laws to guard anyone against ridicule absolutely abhorrent.. How can we as a culture pride ourselves on freedom of speech and press when people are charged with a crime and convicted when they speak out against them!?

[Rockhard]

Back in the early seventies I was at a party in Idaho in the group were some college profs and some high school teachers discussing Hitler. They were Talking about some film that should be shown in all schools so no one would forget how viscous Hitler was. After the attempt on his life he gathered 5,000 germans to be certain he got them all. They were taken to slaughter houses hung from the meat hooks and gutted alive, all this was filmed so that Hitler could be sure they were all dead.

[jokersarewild]

It's because Hitler was such a great guy!

[pjbuk]

Back in the early seventies I was at a party in Idaho in the group were some college profs and some high school teachers discussing Hitler. They were Talking about some film that should be shown in all schools so no one would forget how viscous Hitler was. After the attempt on his life he gathered 5,000 germans to be certain he got them all. They were taken to slaughter houses hung from the meat hooks and gutted alive, all this was filmed so that Hitler could be sure they were all dead.

 

Are you aware of any historical documents or articles about this on the web? I've never heard of it myself.

[fullauto]

Back in the early seventies I was at a party in Idaho in the group were some college profs and some high school teachers discussing Hitler. They were Talking about some film that should be shown in all schools so no one would forget how viscous Hitler was. After the attempt on his life he gathered 5,000 germans to be certain he got them all. They were taken to slaughter houses hung from the meat hooks and gutted alive, all this was filmed so that Hitler could be sure they were all dead.

 

I don't think anyone alive would dare try to discribe Hitler as anything but viscous... But his ordering the killing of 5000 ordinary Germans, (none of which were jewish by that time) does little to offer evidence about the Holocaust and the percieved genocide of the Jews...

 

If anything it proves that His viscousness was not only directed at the Jews, but anyone who stood in the way of a greater German Reich...

 

One of the major problems with arguing agains a Jewish Holocaust is two fold...

 

1. Most people know so little about WWII, other than what they hear and get through the media, that there is little to no 'grey area' in thier minds as a result of years and years of misinformation...

 

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2. After years and years of hearing half truths and embeleshed reports and history, it is almost impossible to show people that what they know to be truth is not...

 

Think of 'The Matrix'... When Morpheus explains to Neo that they usually never wake anyone up after a certain age... The Programing is so ingrained that they can no longer accept the truth...

 

Imagine how vulnerable generation after generation would feel if they found out that the one thing they felt they could be sure of, and that they fully accepted as truth was neither truth or could be sure of... People would start to ask questions everywhere.... The extablishment could hardly stand for it...

[Gallytuck]

Considering your government is infested with JINSA members I'm surprised they're not doing more to glorify Jews.

 

Sure, Jews died in the camps. I wish someone would come up with a solid number, though. A number I would like to have is that of Slavs who were imprisoned for being a Jew because of the Slavic nose rather than for simply being Slavic.