Do you believe in forced sterlization?

[tizz]

I love CES too much to see him in Jail. He'd kill me. I need the hampster, I'm cut like a gerbil.

 

Damn your kid must have had a tiny head!

[fullauto]

Fuck it. For a certain period of time, spay and castrate the fuckers as soon as they pop out. If they grow up wanting kids, tell them to adaopt kids that have been orphaned. We keep spewing out these little suckers only for them to be a waste of space while kids with potential are sitting here rotting without a chance. Why don't we take care of what is left here instead of creating more issues? (Then again I do realize the double edge sword of this situation.)

 

that is why I love you man... Right for the juggular! Don't KrispeKremeKote it, just tell it like it is!

 

Outlaw for PResident!

[sixes]

I am beginning to think it might not be such a bad idea. How many times have you been reading or watching the news, thinking that guy should'nt be allowed to breed?

 

I think Andrea Yates and her ilk shouldn't be allowed to breed, anyone who kills their own children to send them to God, doesn't deserve to suck air never mind be able to produce children.

 

What about retarded people, people who have AIDS?

 

I read that during Ted Bundys trial he was allowed to marry and had a child with this woman? Of course he had yet to be found quilty of the heinous crimes we now know he committed but should someone on trial for capital crimes be allowed to marry and have children regardless of the sensational nature of their crimes JUST IN CASE it turns out they are a monster who shouldn't be allowed to breed?

 

 

 

What are your thoughts??

Yes to answer the question...

Population control. I think it is a must ,only who will give up freedoms to help it along?

[TheJenn88]

Do you think we could equate forced sterilization to licensed parenting?

 

They're similar in that one has to meet guidelines.

 

Either way, I think a minimum should be followed for things like education, income, location, current health, etc.

 

Education

 

I don't suggest that every parent would have a Masters degree. Instead, I say a high school diploma. It is inexcusable for someone to not have at least that. If a person can not achieve that, they're fucking lazy, or stupid. Neither is a good quality in a parent. And I mean successfully passed high school - not someone who squeaked through the system only because they weren't wanted. They had to pass genuinely.

 

Income

 

Only people/families who are independant with their income should be allowed to breed. If they can't alone survive on their income, and need assistance, why the fuck would they bring another person into the world? Not only is that an increased burden on the tax payers, it means less-than average, or less-than required needs met for the child. Children, in all fairness to them, should not have to go without decent clothing, meals, housing, environment, education, or even a Christmas present.

 

In short, anyone who needs financial system to support themselves and another person should not breed. If their income cannot fully, and sufficiently cover the parents and offspring, they should not breed.

 

Location/Environment

 

No breeding (or at least less/regulated) in the ghetto, underwater, in the sky, or wherever else that may induce a child into a harmful situation. An idiot would know that an unsafe or insufficient environment/location perpetuates violence, drugs, more stupidity, diseases, etc.

 

Current Health

 

First of all, severe retards - I'm not even sure how they'd get someone pregnant, so I don't think that's an issue. But anyone who is mentally incapacitated should not breed, for two reasons. 1) Risk of passing inabilities to offspring. Like our government needs to spend more money on people that don't do much. 2) If the child is not at risk of growing up with the disability, they should not have to suffer from abnormal/insufficient parenting, or having to have a different nurturer because their biological parent can't provide for them. A child should not have to go through having a mentally handicapped parent.

 

Physical disabilities are a bit different. Some of them are obtained through an accident, so I think they should be allowed to breed. They aren't mentally hindered, and are still capable of producing a fully acceptable child. HOWEVER, if a severe physical disability and/or deformity has a good likelihood of being passed down... the parent should opt out of having a child. I'm not sure if it should be mandated.

 

For things like old age, being an alcoholic, smoker, etc. Those people should not be allowed to breed if they are going to continue their habits during pregnancy or after birth to the point where it may affect the child.

 

Anyone else who is likely to die from some ailment at an unpredictable, but likely pending death should also not have children. A child should not lose their mother or father at 3 because they had final-stage cancer, or something (though the likelihood of them getting pregnant at that point..) should not have children.

 

 

In conclusion, if a parent cannot provide a safe, healthy, and average environment for someone, they shouldn't breed.

[sixes]

 

 

First of all, severe retards - I'm not even sure how they'd get someone pregnant, so I don't think that's an issue. But anyone who is mentally incapacitated should not breed, for two reasons. 1) Risk of passing inabilities to offspring. Like our government needs to spend more money on people that don't do much. 2) If the child is not at risk of growing up with the disability, they should not have to suffer from abnormal/insufficient parenting, or having to have a different nurturer because their biological parent can't provide for them. A child should not have to go through having a mentally handicapped parent.

 

Physical disabilities are a bit different. Some of them are obtained through an accident, so I think they should be allowed to breed. They aren't mentally hindered, and are still capable of producing a fully acceptable child. HOWEVER, if a severe physical disability and/or deformity has a good likelihood of being passed down... the parent should opt out of having a child. I'm not sure if it should be mandated. .

 

 

I hope I dont come off like a jerk if I laugh @ that first part Jenn. "First of all, severe retards - I'm not even sure how they'd get someone pregnant, so I don't think that's an issue." LOL

I'll just say it can be done. Look at the Bush family.

[Lethalfind]

From what I understand people who are retarded can and do get people pregnant, they are often extremely sexually active without the common sense that adulthood brings since many of them have the intellectual level of someone much younger but the hormones and body of an adult.

[sixes]

From what I understand people who are retarded can and do get people pregnant, they are often extremely sexually active without the common sense that adulthood brings since many of them have the intellectual level of someone much younger but the hormones and body of an adult.

 

There is like a army of retard seduction going on right now. What do you think should be done?

[Lethalfind]

There is like a army of retard seduction going on right now. What do you think should be done?

 

that is the point of this thread, do you think someone like a retarded person should be allowed to have children they can't take care???

 

I don't think so and I think they should be either sterilized or medicated so they can't have children...

[tizz]

Well now Lethal, you have a kid don't you? You ARE retarded right?

 

at least I hope so, then at least there would be an excuse.

[sixes]

that is the point of this thread, do you think someone like a retarded person should be allowed to have children they can't take care???

 

I don't think so and I think they should be either sterilized or medicated so they can't have children...

 

To tell you the truth Lethal. I dont think humans should play god with other humans. As if I think there is a god?, HELL NO But still ,it just does not seem right to me.

[tizz]

The only ones I can think of that should be forced into a hopefully botched sterilization are the rapists. I say cut their Twinkies OFF!

[hugo]

Horny retards are people too.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Horny retards are people too.

 

Yeah God Damn It! You all quit picking on hugo!

 

Just because he's a horny retard doesn't mean he shouldn't deserve a little respect. He's people too.

[hugo]

: He's people too.

 

That is more than I say for CES.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That is more than I say for CES.

 

Gee...I stick up for you and the best bone you can throw me is an ad hominem?

 

How mean spirited of you but not unexpected in the least.

[Outlaw2747]

Quite frankly, 80 percent of the people alive today should even be THINKING about having kids, let alone giving birth.

[Lethalfind]

Well now Lethal, you have a kid don't you? You ARE retarded right?

 

at least I hope so, then at least there would be an excuse.

 

Given the fact that an IQ below 60 is what defines someones retardation, that sounds alot like you Tizz...Something you make clearly obvious everytime you post something...something your not even aware enough of to try and hide.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Given the fact that an IQ below 60 is what defines someones retardation, that sounds alot like you Tizz...Something you make clearly obvious everytime you post something...something your not even aware enough of to try and hide.

 

Oh look at us...tell me..where is the love? Where is the Love?

[tizz]

Given the fact that an IQ below 60 is what defines someones retardation, that sounds alot like you Tizz...Something you make clearly obvious everytime you post something...something your not even aware enough of to try and hide.

 

Hey better to be myself then attempt miserably to be a total know it all like SOME poeple around here points finger at the twit here

[builder]

Hell, they killed you in Rome for looking sideways at someone. If you're gonna elect a dictator, and suffer a dictatorship, just run with it.

[Lethalfind]

I think the government telling someone what they can do with their reproductive rights is assnine and insane. Also, the government won't pay for tubal ligation or even kinds of birth control. I do think this needs to be changed and yes I do believe people abuse the system. Yet the government telling WOMEN what do to with their body's. And while I'm on the subject, why are we just aiming this at women? Hello, it takes two and where the hell is the man? Why isn't he being forced into casteration? Prejudice still lives I see. I want the government to cut spending as well, but I will never vote for people's reproductive rights to be taken away. A little too much control from the government is never a step in the right direction.

 

The phrase "forced sterilization" was an extreme statement meant only to get peoples attention. I in fact don't believe in forced sterilization. I do however think that people should have more fuckin common sense. If a person has to have a gaurdian because they are retarded and can't take care of themselves, then that gaurdian should make damn sure their charge isn't bringing anyone else into this world. To me this would go for either a male or female.

 

If the Medicaid system doesn't cover sterilization then it should. They would save a HUGE amount of money doing it.

 

I gather its different depending on the state your in. In Texas a friend told me you could stay on Medicaid past the time the child was born and it would cover other things then just treatment of the pregnancy and baby, after birth it would cover certain types of birth control. Here in Florida a friend told me that Medicaid would only cover her pregnancy care, if she got a cold or something else, it was not covered and once she had the baby, she was dropped immediatly.

 

I did read about a case years ago (I don't remember how long, at least 10 years ago) where a girl was surgically sterilized. The Mother got an order from a judge based on the opinion that the young girl was retarded. It turned out the girl was not in fact retarded and as an adult was found to be just fine. She brought a lawsuit against the judge for depriving her of the right to bear children.

 

This is of course the danger of taking an action that is irreversible. Thats why I think DepoPrevara is such a good idea. I used it after Diane was born, I took a shot every 3 months and that was it. You only have 4 times in a year to fuck up that birth control so the effectiveness is higher.

[manicmonday]

This is of course the danger of taking an action that is irreversible. Thats why I think DepoPrevara is such a good idea. I used it after Diane was born, I took a shot every 3 months and that was it. You only have 4 times in a year to fuck up that birth control so the effectiveness is higher.

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I was on Depo for a while. I'm trying to research what I found out the time, but it's actually really dangerous for your body. I know it's been around forever, but so has the pill and they keep remaking it over so that it is better for your body. While I agree that Medicaid needs revamping, I don't agree with taking away someone's right to have children later in life. I know that alot of people abuse the system, but there are alot of people who get in a bad situation and need help for a little while. And those are that are punished, not the abusers. And I'll say it again, where are the men in this? The women are still being punished while men run around freely making babies and nobody is suggesting we castorate them, or give them a vasectomy. Nope it's the women. Always the women. Make the men stand in line to get their balls snipped or take a pill daily or get a shot 4 times a year. And there are forms of birth control for men. Or just kill them, that's the cheapest in the long run anyways.

[angie]

Thats why I think DepoPrevara is such a good idea. I used it after Diane was born, I took a shot every 3 months and that was it. You only have 4 times in a year to fuck up that birth control so the effectiveness is higher.

That's what I'm going to be using (start in about 3 weeks). There's no way to screw that up. I'm not taking ANY chances. I'd like to enjoy a few years of non-pregnancy.

[TheJenn88]

To tell you the truth Lethal. I dont think humans should play god with other humans. As if I think there is a god?, HELL NO But still ,it just does not seem right to me.

 

People play "God" all the time. We treat cancer patients, patients with other diseases. We commit suicide, we have abortions, the whole lot.

 

If you think saying we're playing god by now allowing retards to procreate, think of how many other aspects in natural occurances that humans interfere.

 

You may say, "but helping people beat cancer is a good thing!" and I agree - but that concept has been beat into our head since day one. Saving people is good. Not to sound brash or apathetic, but that just contributes to our uppityness and population problem. Since we can play god, we do it, and people think it's a good thing. We save people. Yay.

 

But the only reason we think that saving people from illnesses is good is because we were taught that. We could quite easily have been taught that playing God in any circumstance is wrong. Though a death is sad, it's not the human's right to interfere.

 

We either play god, or we don't. There can't be any exceptions to either side, however, because it's subjective. We can't sit here and say saving people from illness is a positive thing when playing god, but stopping retards from giving birth is a negative thing. Either instance is playing god, but there is no one with this right to decide when to play god.

 

So, do you still think we should save ill people? I mean...that is playing god.

[angie]

This is of course the danger of taking an action that is irreversible. Thats why I think DepoPrevara is such a good idea. I used it after Diane was born, I took a shot every 3 months and that was it. You only have 4 times in a year to fuck up that birth control so the effectiveness is higher.

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I was on Depo for a while. I'm trying to research what I found out the time, but it's actually really dangerous for your body. I know it's been around forever, but so has the pill and they keep remaking it over so that it is better for your body. While I agree that Medicaid needs revamping, I don't agree with taking away someone's right to have children later in life. I know that alot of people abuse the system, but there are alot of people who get in a bad situation and need help for a little while. And those are that are punished, not the abusers. And I'll say it again, where are the men in this? The women are still being punished while men run around freely making babies and nobody is suggesting we castorate them, or give them a vasectomy. Nope it's the women. Always the women. Make the men stand in line to get their balls snipped or take a pill daily or get a shot 4 times a year. And there are forms of birth control for men. Or just kill them, that's the cheapest in the long run anyways.

 

oh don't you worry your pretty little head about that. I already made it VERY clear to my fiancee that when we are done having children, he will be getting snipped, not I. It's easier for men than women. Also much easier to reverse should we change our minds.