builder Posted February 19, 2006 Posted February 19, 2006 We've sorta already been through that. Haven't read the whole thread, have you? You can't buy that shit here, Jenn. It's still a coathanger in a backroom for the desperates. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted February 19, 2006 Posted February 19, 2006 You can't buy that shit here, Jenn. It's still a coathanger in a backroom for the desperates. This is a tragedy. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
hugo Posted February 20, 2006 Posted February 20, 2006 This is a tragedy. A government induced tragedy. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
builder Posted February 20, 2006 Posted February 20, 2006 This is a tragedy. Actually the snivel libertarians and the Australian Medical Association are still haggling over the issue of "is the debate about health, or ethics". Then a gov minister jumps in and claims that we are aborting ourselves out of existence, and we will be a muslim nation by 2060. Shit still hitting fan. Oh, and I was being emotive. There are clinics all over the country which provide adequate facilities and trained staff. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 Actually the snivel libertarians and the Australian Medical Association are still haggling over the issue of "is the debate about health, or ethics". Then a gov minister jumps in and claims that we are aborting ourselves out of existence, and we will be a muslim nation by 2060. Shit still hitting fan. Oh, and I was being emotive. There are clinics all over the country which provide adequate facilities and trained staff. Right. Fair Dinkum mate. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
smutt butt Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 If abortion is not murder why will i be charged with double murder if i kill a pregnant woman?????????????????????????? Scott peterson???????????????????? Quote "This place may be bombed and we will be killed. We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us." Osama Bin Laden. nov. 2001
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 If abortion is not murder why will i be charged with double murder if i kill a pregnant woman?????????????????????????? Scott peterson???????????????????? Simple. Fetal homicide laws are on the books in some states, including California, yet their placement there is always with the full contextual understanding that these laws exempt legal abortions. --------- The point I cannot get into people's heads is this. I am neither Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion. Every living person is Pro-Life including myself. I am for access to legal, safe, medical abortions as opposed to illegal abortions of old. Do I think abortions are done too much. Yes. Would I like to see them outlawed again. No. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
angie Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 If abortion is not murder why will i be charged with double murder if i kill a pregnant woman?????????????????????????? Scott peterson???????????????????? From my understanding, you will only be charged with a double homicide if the fetus was old enough and capable of surviving out of the womb. Peterson's child fell into that catergory. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
wardmd Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 From my understanding, you will only be charged with a double homicide if the fetus was old enough and capable of surviving out of the womb. Peterson's child fell into that catergory. Not to delve into the abortion question too much, but should not that same logic hold true for when abortion is no longer "ending an unwanted pregnancy" but becomes "killing an unborn child"? It seems to me (and the Supreme Court will be examining the issue) that at the point when medical science can reasonable expect the fetus/child to survive out of the womb, then I think it's hard to argue that it's not a life (wanted or otherwise), and thus, abortion at THAT point should not be allowed (any more than we allow killing of a child after birth). BUT (and I'm not a "supporter" of abortion), BEFORE that point (which would, of course, always change, based on current medical technology), I think abortion SHOULD be allowed. All we need, now, is a legislature and judiciary which is willing to use some common sense... Quote I refuse to engage in a battle of wit because I am an unarmed man.
Lethalfind Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 Not to delve into the abortion question too much, but should not that same logic hold true for when abortion is no longer "ending an unwanted pregnancy" but becomes "killing an unborn child"? It seems to me (and the Supreme Court will be examining the issue) that at the point when medical science can reasonable expect the fetus/child to survive out of the womb, then I think it's hard to argue that it's not a life (wanted or otherwise), and thus, abortion at THAT point should not be allowed (any more than we allow killing of a child after birth). BUT (and I'm not a "supporter" of abortion), BEFORE that point (which would, of course, always change, based on current medical technology), I think abortion SHOULD be allowed. All we need, now, is a legislature and judiciary which is willing to use some common sense... I have to agree with you there. I am not a medical person and only what know what I have read about partial birth abortions but that just seems barbaric to me and the next best thing to murder. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
angie Posted February 22, 2006 Posted February 22, 2006 Not to delve into the abortion question too much, but should not that same logic hold true for when abortion is no longer "ending an unwanted pregnancy" but becomes "killing an unborn child"? It seems to me (and the Supreme Court will be examining the issue) that at the point when medical science can reasonable expect the fetus/child to survive out of the womb, then I think it's hard to argue that it's not a life (wanted or otherwise), and thus, abortion at THAT point should not be allowed (any more than we allow killing of a child after birth). BUT (and I'm not a "supporter" of abortion), BEFORE that point (which would, of course, always change, based on current medical technology), I think abortion SHOULD be allowed. All we need, now, is a legislature and judiciary which is willing to use some common sense... IMO, it should be considered murder at that point. I personally don't believe that abortions should be allowed after the first trimester. And to agree with Legal, partial birth abortions are nauseating, and should absolutely be outlawed. At that point in a pregnancy, even if there IS a medical emergency, there is no reason they can't just perform a c-section and give the child a chance to live. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Lethalfind Posted February 22, 2006 Posted February 22, 2006 IMO, it should be considered murder at that point. I personally don't believe that abortions should be allowed after the first trimester. And to agree with Legal, partial birth abortions are nauseating, and should absolutely be outlawed. At that point in a pregnancy, even if there IS a medical emergency, there is no reason they can't just perform a c-section and give the child a chance to live. I agree with you on the first trimester thing as well. If your so out of touch with your cycle that you don't know your pregnant until after the first trimester or your so scatter brained that you can't figure out what to do until after that, you should have to carry the child. I think that having a child yourself can make you feel more strongly about situations like this, at least it did for me. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
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