The same old AIG argument, Christianity!!!

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

It's not the interpretation. It's taking it totally out of context. Unless you at least paraphrase the full context of the text, your point is totally lost and often misrepresented by the given text. It shows that you know as little about the bible as I do about the koran

 

Tizz,I'm not taking anything out of context. I read it as it is written.

 

How i'm I taking this out of context?

 

''So they made their father drink

wine that night; AND THE FIRST BORN WENT IN AND LAY WITH HER FATHER; HE

DID NOT KNOW WHEN SHE LAY DOWN OR WHEN SHE AROSE.

 

And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger "Behold, I lay

last night with my father, let us make him drink wine tonight also; then

you go in and lie with him that we may preserve offspring through our

father.

So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger

arose, and LAY WITH HIM; and he did not know when she lay down or when

she arose. THUS BOTH THE DAUGHTERS OF LOT WERE WITH CHILD BY THEIR FATHER.''

 

Tizz I would love for the christians here to explain this for me?All they ever do is throw insults back at me as an answer.If I'm taking something out of context,let them tell me the correct context. I just put it here and it says everything in plain english.So stop accusing me of taking something out of context when I havent even written any commentary explaining it in my own way.

 

And what else suprises me is how everyone jumps to defence when I quote the bible, yet never said anything when MRIH was taking quotes from the Quran and misinterpreting them. I explain the correct meaning of the quotes to MRIH,I never threw insults back at him and I never will becasue that is what it means to be a muslim.

[Lethalfind]

Tizz,I'm not taking anything out of context. I read it as it is written.

 

How i'm I taking this out of context?

 

''So they made their father drink

wine that night; AND THE FIRST BORN WENT IN AND LAY WITH HER FATHER; HE

DID NOT KNOW WHEN SHE LAY DOWN OR WHEN SHE AROSE.

 

And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger "Behold, I lay

last night with my father, let us make him drink wine tonight also; then

you go in and lie with him that we may preserve offspring through our

father.

So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger

arose, and LAY WITH HIM; and he did not know when she lay down or when

she arose. THUS BOTH THE DAUGHTERS OF LOT WERE WITH CHILD BY THEIR FATHER.''

 

Tizz I would love for the christians here to explain this for me?All they ever do is throw insults back at me as an answer.If I'm taking something out of context,let them tell me the correct context. I just put it here and it says everything in plain english.So stop accusing me of taking something out of context when I havent even written any commentary explaining it in my own way.

 

And what else suprises me is how everyone jumps to defence when I quote the bible, yet never said anything when MRIH was taking quotes from the Quran and misinterpreting them. I explain the correct meaning of the quotes to MRIH,I never threw insults back at him and I never will becasue that is what it means to be a muslim.

 

AIG, as for me I know of no explanation for this part of the Bible, its purely disgusting.

There are alot of things in the Bible that make no sense at all.

 

I for one look at the Bible as an interesting compilation of information.

I don't believe that God or whomever you want to say handed down this information so that it be written down for us to read and find God through.

I think thats a load of bullshit.

[tizz]

Tizz,I'm not taking anything out of context. I read it as it is written.

 

How i'm I taking this out of context?

 

''So they made their father drink

wine that night; AND THE FIRST BORN WENT IN AND LAY WITH HER FATHER; HE

DID NOT KNOW WHEN SHE LAY DOWN OR WHEN SHE AROSE.

 

And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger "Behold, I lay

last night with my father, let us make him drink wine tonight also; then

you go in and lie with him that we may preserve offspring through our

father.

So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger

arose, and LAY WITH HIM; and he did not know when she lay down or when

she arose. THUS BOTH THE DAUGHTERS OF LOT WERE WITH CHILD BY THEIR FATHER.''

 

Tizz I would love for the christians here to explain this for me?All they ever do is throw insults back at me as an answer.If I'm taking something out of context,let them tell me the correct context. I just put it here and it says everything in plain english.So stop accusing me of taking something out of context when I havent even written any commentary explaining it in my own way.

 

And what else suprises me is how everyone jumps to defence when I quote the bible, yet never said anything when MRIH was taking quotes from the Quran and misinterpreting them. I explain the correct meaning of the quotes to MRIH,I never threw insults back at him and I never will becasue that is what it means to be a muslim.

 

Well it's been over 15 years now since I studies the bible but if i ever feel ambitious I will explain more of these texts to you (from a purely objective and somewhat knowledgable viewpoint)

 

I don't jump on MRIH for his koran stuff because generally I don't bother to read it and there is so much more to bust him for than that. Besides, I have never so much as touched an actual Koran or read anything more than what I have seen posted so I don't have any knowledge to jump on anyone about the text. I won't through insults at you, I happen to like you. But I will point out when I think the text form the bible is being miss used, not because I believe n the stupid thing, only because I feel I studied it enough in mylife to do so intelligently with at least some credibility.

 

What I mean by taking it out of context is that you are picking out passages that are part of a larger section and story. When you replace ALL the missing text, your point is lost with these particular texts. This is why you have never seen me quote the koran. I don't feel like reading it let aloe studying it enough to understand the full context.

 

Don't worry about comparring the two religions or trying to prove Christianity wrong, just follow your own faith and if your beliefe is strong enough you will be able to ake the point without the comparrisons.

 

And for love of god, WHY do you keep going at it with MRIH over something you care about. He is an idiot by all respects. You are NEVER going to convice him of anything and all you will ever get in return is idiotic comebacks

[Lethalfind]

Well it's been over 15 years now since I studies the bible but if i ever feel ambitious I will explain more of these texts to you (from a purely objective and somewhat knowledgable viewpoint)

 

I don't jump on MRIH for his koran stuff because generally I don't bother to read it and there is so much more to bust him for than that. Besides, I have never so much as touched an actual Koran or read anything more than what I have seen posted so I don't have any knowledge to jump on anyone about the text. I won't through insults at you, I happen to like you. But I will point out when I think the text form the bible is being miss used, not because I believe n the stupid thing, only because I feel I studied it enough in mylife to do so intelligently with at least some credibility.

 

What I mean by taking it out of context is that you are picking out passages that are part of a larger section and story. When you replace ALL the missing text, your point is lost with these particular texts. This is why you have never seen me quote the koran. I don't feel like reading it let aloe studying it enough to understand the full context.

 

Don't worry about comparring the two religions or trying to prove Christianity wrong, just follow your own faith and if your beliefe is strong enough you will be able to ake the point without the comparrisons.

 

And for love of god, WHY do you keep going at it with MRIH over something you care about. He is an idiot by all respects. You are NEVER going to convice him of anything and all you will ever get in return is idiotic comebacks

 

I wait anxiously for your scholarly teachings...lololol.

As I'm sure AIG is doing as well.

[tizz]

I wait anxiously for your scholarly teachings...lololol.

As I'm sure AIG is doing as well.

 

UUM In case you missed I said IF I FEEL AMBITIOUS, which s not likely when it comes to the bible. I would have to get pretty damn ambitious just to get my copy out of the dark corner of the basement in which is lies.

 

the only reason I feel I have a reasonable comprehension of the thing is because I studied it very deeply before abandoning the religion I was brought up in. I also taught more than a few years of bible study and Sunday school.

 

It is not an "educated" knowledge based in any formal study as in university, it stems from wanting very much to know for sure where my spiritual path was going.

 

Again, it is not likely I will get to in depth on any of it as I abandoned it over 15 years ago.

 

So here again, your feeble attempt at slapping a burn on me has failed. Get back to the playpen kid

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Don't worry about comparring the two religions or trying to prove Christianity wrong, just follow your own faith and if your beliefe is strong enough you will be able to ake the point without the comparrisons.

 

And for love of god, WHY do you keep going at it with MRIH over something you care about. He is an idiot by all respects. You are NEVER going to convice him of anything and all you will ever get in return is idiotic comebacks

 

To be honest I ask myself that same question. Maybe its because I believe there is some good in everyone and that God has the power to change people's hearts. But obviously at the moment MRIH is certainly a lost cause. I wont argue with him about religion no more, I find it one sided anyway,he cant answer anything. And I do believe you know more about the bible than me, maybe Iam taking some parts out of context, but there are some parts that just dont make sense and are disgusting.But as in everything,there is some good in it and I believe there are many good christians, shame non of them felt the need to grace us with their presence on GF.

 

ps: I like you too:)

[tizz]

And in the spirit of that I will say that I have seen quotes from the Koran that equally disgust me. Personally I have never seen anything wrong with nudity. I DO believe the human form to be not only beautiful, but an amazing sit to behold in motion. I think we cover up too much and are way to ashamed of our bodies (of course coming from someone with a not so healthy self image and currently dieting and saving money for the gym )

 

With have had discussion with people over the rights to have sex with captives and seeing the passages that people quote in order to justify hating and wanting to "destroy" infidels, i have been disgusted by the Koran. From my perspective things of that nature are way more disgusting than a little nudity. Besides, as far as Noah goes, from all understanding I have, Islam keeps Noah in the same regard as Christians.

 

See, now this is why I usually refrain from discussing religion with people I actually like. It can just get too ugly.

[papabryant]

AIG, my friend, you're decontextualizing the Bible again. Just your first example from the Psalms alone proves this. This is the lamentations of a man waiting on God for His justice. Surely there are examples of Muslim lamentations on the same subject, or are you suggesting that the prayers of man can COMMAND God into action, rather than petition Him for justice?

 

But it is good to have you back! =')

 

Peace, Tom

[eisanbt]

And no one on earth can produce anything similar to it(if they dont copy it word for word that is).There is so much wisdom in it and it is a guide to mankind. If everyone followed and practiced what it says,this world would be a better place.

 

The Quran has changed many people's lives and mine and still is.

 

 

It is still a book of Dogma, theres no way tip-toe around that. One claiming to have found the'Rules' of life is always going to attract hordes of lost poeple whom feel they have nothing to live for. There are many books of wisdom, the bible included as well as many great compilations of fiction. What is contained in these texts, aside from stories, is the words of wise people, usually men, telling what they have found to be reasonable.

 

The conflict occurs when people assume that what is said is taken to be true of all times as opposed to what they found reasonable in the context of THEIR world. People assume these are Laws and fight to defend them dispite their irrationalbility. Such an example would be that of only having one sexual partner in your life. This made sense in the age before contriception as sex would usually result in pregnacy and were a man to have a number of wives/children (Where the man was the only bread winner) then the result would most likly be poverty. Times have changed and this no longer is a problem, it should therefore be discarded. It is nolonger reasonable.

 

There are some tibits of wisdom still applicable to our lives within these books and it is these things which good people are attracted to. However the tag along "Laws" bring these good people to knumbskullery. God simply does not exist, his books have never been perfect and never will be.

 

Nobody has all the anwsers. No book has all the anwsers, that would be far to simple an anwser to such a complexe question. Certainly a tempting excuse to our lazy minds.

[tizz]

Common sense and empathetic observation can produce the same results as reading and following any book. It is more than dated as is the bible. If it works for you that is great, but never expect one thing to work for every person is every place and time. That has allready proven to be imposible

[Lethalfind]

UUM In case you missed I said IF I FEEL AMBITIOUS, which s not likely when it comes to the bible. I would have to get pretty damn ambitious just to get my copy out of the dark corner of the basement in which is lies.

 

the only reason I feel I have a reasonable comprehension of the thing is because I studied it very deeply before abandoning the religion I was brought up in. I also taught more than a few years of bible study and Sunday school.

 

It is not an "educated" knowledge based in any formal study as in university, it stems from wanting very much to know for sure where my spiritual path was going.

 

Again, it is not likely I will get to in depth on any of it as I abandoned it over 15 years ago.

 

So here again, your feeble attempt at slapping a burn on me has failed. Get back to the playpen kid

 

slapping a burn on you...lol is that what you call it.

 

I am in the same place as you. I was raised in a religious household and ran screaming in the opposite direction as soon as posible, however I only studied it while I was required to. I attended a religious grade school, high school and college and in all had to take classes.

I would be the last one to try and defend it against anything however since I don't give the Bible the kind of weight real Bible thumpers do. I think its a work of fiction and historically interesting but that is all.

[tizz]

I agree it is a work of fiction, but that does not mean I can't try to point out when it is being misused in a religious argument. I never attended religious schooling but i did take my descision to leave my faith VERY seriously as it affected more than just me and took to studying both my religion and the bible very deeply. I do not make life changing descisions lightly especially when they effect other people, nor do i simply run in another direction.

[Lethalfind]

I agree it is a work of fiction, but that does not mean I can't try to point out when it is being misused in a religious argument. I never attended religious schooling but i did take my descision to leave my faith VERY seriously as it affected more than just me and took to studying both my religion and the bible very deeply. I do not make life changing descisions lightly especially when they effect other people, nor do i simply run in another direction.

 

Please let me be really clear, what I feel about the bible and religion are strictly my own beliefs, I don't presume to tell anyone else how to feel. Absolutely, if you want to point things like that out. Its clear to me that things are being taken out of context as you have said.

 

I didn't take leaving my religion seriously at all, once I was old enough to cast off the constraints I ran screaming out the door. You are no doubt more prepared and qaulified to have such a conversation with AIG because of the circumstances you mention. While I mention that I went to religious schools, that by no means makes me a scholar on the subject. I tried to ignore them as much as posible. The fact that I don't give a shit is not a commentary on whether I think someone else should give a shit.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I didnt misinterprete anything.I didnt write some long commentary saying that this verse is this and this verse is that like you used to do.

Oh no...

 

I can proove that the bible is no longer the book of God.And how stupid can people get and still claim it to be so??

 

... and ...

The bible has become a book of porn and blasphemy against God Almighty. How the hell can you people actually still believe that it is a book from God???????? And it is us muslims who are brainwashed??????????

Need to see more, you lying hypocritical believer in the moon god and his pedophile prophet(may piss be upon, and cartoons abound)???

 

Please tell me what verse I ''misinterpreted''???

Your bible is pretty straight foward, a brother sleeps with his sister, a father sleeps with his daughter.They were NAKED! Tell me how I misinterpreted something!

 

well, let's see...

 

What is this obsession with NAKEDNESS? I guess this is your idea of freedom. Us muslim women are oppressed because we cover up. sheeesh!!!!

It seems you interpret "obsession" and "freedom" from these.

 

Dont get me wrong MRIH, please do sleep with your sister & daughters, your bible advises you to! Wonder why this doesnt disgust you?

Here you interpret ... well, even you are clever enough to figure out you might have misinterpretted that one!

 

MRIH, christianity doesnt have an effect on anything because it no longer exists. Priests preach what is not in the bible.

I wonder how many people would turn up if they read the actual content of the bible?Parents protect their children from pornography and indecency.There would definately be a fall in number in church, that is if their indifference to their religion hasn't done so already.

This is the most ironic post of anything you tried to congeal on this thread, AIG... You obviously see that no one interprets these quite the way you do, At least Christians and Jews don't I don't know about those apes and pigs who follow mohammed(may piss be upon the pedophile prophet).

 

Dont worry MRIH, you dont have to respond, I bet you didnt even know that your bible says this.

Christians argue for the bible and hardly know anything about its content.

Much more than you do, obviously!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Instead of an "idiot box", they should make a special "Lying sack of shit box" just for muslims.

[Skaterdude409]

Instead of an "idiot box", they should make a special "Lying sack of shit box" just for muslims.

 

that sends random pop ups to their computer with anti-muslim slogans

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

that sends random pop ups to their computer with anti-muslim slogans

and cartoons of their pedophile prophet!

[scout]

Kind of ironic you two should bring up the IDIOT BOX......

[snafu]

Yep... Same old AIG....

 

 

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[builder]

Fullauto is champing at the bit again.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Fullauto is champing at the bit again.

 

Ha ha ha ha. Fullo just cant get enough

[jokersarewild]

Tizz,I'm not taking anything out of context. I read it as it is written.

 

How i'm I taking this out of context?

 

''So they made their father drink

wine that night; AND THE FIRST BORN WENT IN AND LAY WITH HER FATHER; HE

DID NOT KNOW WHEN SHE LAY DOWN OR WHEN SHE AROSE.

 

And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger "Behold, I lay

last night with my father, let us make him drink wine tonight also; then

you go in and lie with him that we may preserve offspring through our

father.

So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger

arose, and LAY WITH HIM; and he did not know when she lay down or when

she arose. THUS BOTH THE DAUGHTERS OF LOT WERE WITH CHILD BY THEIR FATHER.''

 

Tizz I would love for the christians here to explain this for me?All they ever do is throw insults back at me as an answer.If I'm taking something out of context,let them tell me the correct context. I just put it here and it says everything in plain english.So stop accusing me of taking something out of context when I havent even written any commentary explaining it in my own way.

 

If you knew anything about history, you would know that back when there were about, oh, 50 humans or so, inbreeding was practically impossible. It was actually a fairly common practice. The egyptians did this also.

 

And in laying with their dad, they helped propagate the human race...maybe.

 

And what else suprises me is how everyone jumps to defence when I quote the bible, yet never said anything when MRIH was taking quotes from the Quran and misinterpreting them. I explain the correct meaning of the quotes to MRIH,I never threw insults back at him and I never will becasue that is what it means to be a muslim.

 

No, silly, this is what it means to be a muslim...

 

http://www.bnp.org.uk/images/humour/jihad.jpg

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

And what else suprises me is how everyone jumps to defence when I quote the bible, yet never said anything when MRIH was taking quotes from the Quran and misinterpreting them.

 

Not me My Dear!

 

The Bible is a lie, fabricated by men to manipulate men, just like the Koran was written by men to control men.

 

They're both complete lies and not even very readable works of fiction. At least the Bagavad-Gita has interesting stories even though it's a religious lie as well.

 

Oh, and by the way, MRIH is just as big of a religious whack juob as you my dear.

 

Believe what you want, but please, your preaching is already, once again, tiresome and droll.

[Lethalfind]

Not me My Dear!

 

The Bible is a lie, fabricated by men to manipulate men, just like the Koran was written by men to control men.

 

They're both complete lies and not even very readable works of fiction. At least the Bagavad-Gita has interesting stories even though it's a religious lie as well.

 

Oh, and by the way, MRIH is just as big of a religious whack juob as you my dear.

 

Believe what you want, but please, your preaching is already, once again, tiresome and droll.

 

I wonder does she get stars in her crown or whatever Muslims get when they go to the next world for all these "preaching" she is doing? She can't honestly think anyone on here is going to pop up one day and BEG to be a Muslim so what is really the point?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I have this view of God. Looks like this!

 

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When I die, I go to wherever he is and I meet him for the first time.

 

God says "Hi. I've been waiting for you. Hope you enjoyed the trip! Let's go for a cosmic walk eh?"

 

I say "God! How come you were never around on Earth? Why all the evil? Why Why Why?"

 

God smiles, takes a puff on his cigar and says "I didn't do that. You did. Why would I ever need to have been there? I made the place and gave it to you to do as you like. Free Will - It's a Bitch. Besides, I knew you'd end up here sooner or later anyway. I designed the playground like that. One door in, One door out. How you chose to play in the playground, I left up to you. Now how about that walk?"

 

That's my God.