hugo Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 Illegitimacy a "Badge of Honor"? By Larry Elder Townhall.com | December 27, 2004 A few years ago, I visited a friend living in Cleveland's inner city. As we sat on my friend's porch, not one, but two teenage girls -- visibly pregnant -- walked by. My friend cheerfully called out their names. They smiled and waved back as they continued walking. I turned to my friend and said, "You see that?" She said, "See what?" I said, "That." She said, "What?" I said, "Those two girls, they're both pregnant." She says, "Yeah." I said, "What about that?" Pointing to houses, she said, "What about the one over here, the one over there and the one down there?" I said, "So, this is acceptable?" She said, "I didn't say it was acceptable -- it just is." Fantasia Barrino, winner of the recent "American Idol" contest and a single-parent mom, dropped out of school in ninth grade, got pregnant and gave birth at age 17. Fantasia, in a recently released CD, calls single-parent motherhood "a badge of honor." In "Baby Mama," Fantasia sings, "It's about time we had our own song. Don't know what took so long." While the song does talk about the struggles single parents face -- "I see you get that support check in the mail, Ya open and you're like, 'What the hell.' You say, 'This ain't even half of daycare.' Sayin' to yourself, 'This here ain't fair.' To all my girls who don't get no help. Who gotta do everything by yourself. . . ." -- she nevertheless refers to single parenting as, "Cuz now-a-days it like a badge of honor." A badge of honor? According to The World Almanac 2005 -- which now lists illegitimate birth rates under the politically correct heading "Nonmarital Childbearing" -- nearly 70 percent of black children are born outside of wedlock. With Latinos, the rate is almost 45 percent, whites nearly 30 percent, and Asians 15 percent. Overall, about 34 percent of America's children today are born outside of wedlock. According to the Heritage Foundation, children born outside of wedlock were more likely to engage in early sexual activity and have children out of wedlock. The report further stated, "Compared to children living with both biological parents in similar socioeconomic circumstances, children of never-married mothers exhibit 68 percent more antisocial behavior, 24 percent more headstrong behavior, 33 percent more hyperactive behavior, 78 percent more peer conflict, and 53 percent more dependency. Overall, children of never-married mothers have behavioral problems that score nearly three times higher than children raised in comparable intact families." About her life before hitting it big in "American Idol," Fantasia said, "I wasn't working. I wasn't doing anything, and Zion [her daughter] wasn't in daycare. . . . I had my own little apartment [presumably at taxpayers' expense] and I would do her hair all day, watch movies. . . . We would play dress-up. We had nothing to do." Her baby's father, Brandel Shouse, was arrested and pled guilty for assaulting Fantasia. (They are said to be on cordial terms, now.) A badge of honor? Tell that to Coach A. Coach Ted Anderson worked as the basketball coach for the Memphis, Tenn., Hamilton High Wildcats for over 20 years. Memphis, until recently, allowed corporal punishment, one of the few big-city districts that still permitted the practice. Coach Anderson, who, himself, attended Hamilton High -- where he received the occasional paddling -- earned a reputation as a basketball coach for being hardworking, fearsome, and who would, from time to time, administer the correctional swat. Anderson said he swatted kids for tardiness, unruliness, disrespectful behavior, poor grades and -- twice in his career -- for poor play. Unfortunately for Coach A., at a tournament during halftime, he swatted three players for poor play, one parent complained and despite no other complaint in his 20-year career as Hamilton's basketball coach, the school board fired him as coach and transferred him to teach a middle school class. During Coach Anderson's career, single moms brought their children to him precisely because they wanted their sons to see a strong male figure, a presence frequently absent from the kids' lives. One of Anderson's former student athletes told me that he credits Anderson with his success in life and in business. Several other former students rallied to his support in urging the district to reconsider. Many studies show that the best predictor of violent crime in a community is not the race or economic status, but the proportion of households without fathers. Most juvenile and adult offenders come from homes without fathers. In his book "My Father's Face," James Robison wrote about a chaplain in a federal penitentiary who decided to improve morale. He persuaded a greeting card company to supply him with Mother's Day cards for the inmates. The prisoners enthusiastically sent each mom a card. Morale improved so dramatically that the chaplain decided to repeat the success on Father's Day. The chaplain offered the cards to the inmates. But not one inmate sent a card to his father. Not one. A badge of honor? Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
tizz Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 So then lets place ALL that blame on the female right? I mean she IS the one who ate the apple and all. Can't possibly be the man right? I didn't realise we women of the species had become asexual creatures LOL I don't agree with the badge of honour thing. I am a single mom and I am raising my kid alone, but I don't pretend that things wouldn't be better if there were a proper father in the picture (her own excluded). But to make it seem as though it's all the mom's fault is so very sharia of you. Someone else posting this article it might not see so one sided but this is HUGO posting here Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
angie Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 Didn't you already post the EXACT SAME THING in another thread? Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
phreakwars Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 I see more fuck ups then that with it. First of all it was put in the Debate room of all places, and yet, contains nothing but a copy and paste article. Where is the PERSONAL COMMENTARY ?? A totally lacking in substance post from the start.. I felt nothing here .. Although I will state that it is my contention that boys do need a dad around to kick their ass when they step out of line. Anybody watch that south park episode where they put all the kids on ritalin ?? I think CHEF had the best answer.... WHOOP THEIR ASS !!! . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
hugo Posted March 5, 2006 Author Posted March 5, 2006 So then lets place ALL that blame on the female right? I mean she IS the one who ate the apple and all. Can't possibly be the man right? I didn't realise we women of the species had become asexual creatures LOL I don't agree with the badge of honour thing. I am a single mom and I am raising my kid alone, but I don't pretend that things wouldn't be better if there were a proper father in the picture (her own excluded). But to make it seem as though it's all the mom's fault is so very sharia of you. Someone else posting this article it might not see so one sided but this is HUGO posting here It is the woman who gets pregnant. No matter what laws are made simple biology will always put a higher burden on the female. You might be able to coerce someone to pay a few bucks but you cannot force someone to be a good father. The woman does need to be selective with who she chooses to breed with. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted March 5, 2006 Author Posted March 5, 2006 Didn't you already post the EXACT SAME THING in another thread? The other post went off in the wrong direction. Question for debate: Does a crack whore who pimps out her 8 year old daughter deserve a badge of honor? Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
tizz Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 It is the woman who gets pregnant. No matter what laws are made simple biology will always put a higher burden on the female. You might be able to coerce someone to pay a few bucks but you cannot force someone to be a good father. The woman does need to be selective with who she chooses to breed with. Well from your point of view no matter who the woman "breeds" with the asshole can still leave or die and then it is all the mom's fault. Sure, makes perfect sense See, now it is not that I disagree with him it is that he IS an idiot. How is that poll going anyway? Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
scout Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 Box him - this is the same shit - different thread. Quote
phreakwars Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 Box him - this is the same shit - different thread.hows 48 hours sound ?? Edit: I see there was a poll in the hidden forums.. the sentence is a week. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
phreakwars Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 Yeah well, the premiums have spoken. Wasn't my call. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
sixes Posted March 5, 2006 Posted March 5, 2006 The ol soaker can take it. He's got more going on than the PC at his Flat I'm sure. Sides he can still be hugo if he wants... He is good at finding ways. Quote .
hugo Posted March 5, 2006 Author Posted March 5, 2006 "On a site full of idiots the only proper place for an intelligent man is the idiot box" Thoreau Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted March 5, 2006 Author Posted March 5, 2006 Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela all persecuted in their fight to advance liberty. I have now joined that group. The only difference is I ain't a stinkin' commie like the aforementioned. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
tizz Posted March 6, 2006 Posted March 6, 2006 Did I mention it's not that I disagree and just that he is an IDIOT? Well if I didn't I am sure everyone just figured that out for themselves. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
hugo Posted March 6, 2006 Author Posted March 6, 2006 Jesus Christ sanctified the cross, Martin Luther King turned a jail cell into a venue for liberty, I shall turn the idiot box into a place of glory. Let freedom ring throughout this land, from the jail cells of some poor kid caught with a joint in Alabama, from the poor besieged CEO and from myself fighting for liberty no matter what burden is placed upon my shoulders. Do your best to persecute me......I will only come back stronger. They hung John Brown his spirit helped end slavery. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted March 6, 2006 Author Posted March 6, 2006 I only regret that I had but 2408626 rep points to give in the cause of liberty. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Lethalfind Posted March 6, 2006 Posted March 6, 2006 Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela all persecuted in their fight to advance liberty. I have now joined that group. The only difference is I ain't a stinkin' commie like the aforementioned. Your seriously comparing yourself with Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela??? AND your saying me calling you arrogant was a shallow insult born of my lacking anything to say??? You couldn't have picked anything better then to say to confirm my comment that your arrogant. Hugo, your nothing, nobody special, get over it and move on. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
angie Posted March 6, 2006 Posted March 6, 2006 Jesus Christ sanctified the cross, Martin Luther King turned a jail cell into a venue for liberty, I shall turn the idiot box into a place of glory. Let freedom ring throughout this land, from the jail cells of some poor kid caught with a joint in Alabama, from the poor besieged CEO and from myself fighting for liberty no matter what burden is placed upon my shoulders. Do your best to persecute me......I will only come back stronger. They hung John Brown his spirit helped end slavery. The false pride that comes before the fall. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
tizz Posted March 6, 2006 Posted March 6, 2006 The false pride that comes before the fall. Before the fall? Hell the highest thing he can get up on is MAYBE a soapbox LMFAO and he tripped over that before he ever got on it Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
angie Posted March 6, 2006 Posted March 6, 2006 Before the fall? Hell the highest thing he can get up on is MAYBE a soapbox LMFAO and he tripped over that before he ever got on it I threw the soapbox into the bonfire. Made some s'mores. Good times. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
tizz Posted March 6, 2006 Posted March 6, 2006 I threw the soapbox into the bonfire. Made some s'mores. Good times. I hope you scraped off all the shit he spewed on it Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
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