smutt butt Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 My 13 yo daughter wants her bb pierced but i say that is to damn young!! She won't talk to me now of course. She is a and b honors course student that never gives us any shit except for the occasional smart mouth. Am i being to "fatherly"??? Quote "This place may be bombed and we will be killed. We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us." Osama Bin Laden. nov. 2001
Lethalfind Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 My 13 yo daughter wants her bb pierced but i say that is to damn young!! She won't talk to me now of course. She is a and b honors course student that never gives us any shit except for the occasional smart mouth. Am i being to "fatherly"??? You know, I don't judge you for what your saying, I don't think your a bad parent however my philosophy is different. I can see making someone wait if we were talking about breast implants or smoking but getting your belly button peirced is not that big a deal as long as its done in a clean place by someone who knows what their doing. If she decides she doesn't like it, she can let it close (unlike plastic surgery). Its also something that is hidden under their clothes if their in a situation where its not really appropriate like a wedding or church unlike when you get your nose pierced. My daughter is 9 now and I have told her if she wants it done we will go and do it together. I would rather have Diane get her belly button pierced then get a tattoo. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
tizz Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 OMG!!!!!!!!! Who cares how well your child does in school. that's ridiculous!!!!! There is a reason you have to be 18 to get that done. Stand your ground! Piercings are for showing off and that is it. What is a 13 wanting to show off??? STAND YOUR GROUND! Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Lethalfind Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 OMG!!!!!!!!! Who cares how well your child does in school. that's ridiculous!!!!! There is a reason you have to be 18 to get that done. Stand your ground! Piercings are for showing off and that is it. What is a 13 wanting to show off??? STAND YOUR GROUND! I thought you had to be 18 to have it done without a parents consent. By mentioning her grades I think he was trying to point out its not like she is a drug head or something and maybe this is a kind of reward. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
sixes Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 My little 16 year old cousin wanted to have that done. So I pulled up a page on the net of people who got HIV from sharing the same needles ,even though most places that do that are required by law to be as clean as they can be. It still scared the hell out of her. Was that mean? Quote .
tizz Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 I would hardly call a pierving ona 13 year old a reward!! There are no grades good enough for THAT to e a reward LOL. Drug user or saint, 13 is a tad young. But then I don't plan on letting my daughter get her EARS pierced till she is 13. I don't plan on EVER letting her get her belly button done. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
fullauto Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 OMG!!!!!!!!! Who cares how well your child does in school. that's ridiculous!!!!! There is a reason you have to be 18 to get that done. Stand your ground! Piercings are for showing off and that is it. What is a 13 wanting to show off??? STAND YOUR GROUND! Bravo! Do not let your children, society, OR pop culture decide what is right for your child! Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
angie Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 My 13 yo daughter wants her bb pierced but i say that is to damn young!! She won't talk to me now of course. She is a and b honors course student that never gives us any shit except for the occasional smart mouth. Am i being to "fatherly"??? I feel your pain. I think it's too young. Here's a thread I started a looong time ago about it. http://Off Topic Forum.com/showthread.php?t=41460 I really feel that 13 is much too young. I can almost guarantee you when my daughter gets older I will say HELL NO. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
manicmonday Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 Yep, I think it's too young. She's not supposed to be speaking to you, she's a teenager. If she's out of the house after 18 and wants to, that's her deal, but I don't want my baby doing something to his body till after he's out of the house. And this coming from someone who has a tattoo. Quote The dick has no conscience and the heart has no rational abilities.
Lethalfind Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 My little 16 year old cousin wanted to have that done. So I pulled up a page on the net of people who got HIV from sharing the same needles ,even though most places that do that are required by law to be as clean as they can be. It still scared the hell out of her. Was that mean? Yes it was...If you go to a reputable place you won't have a problem, like watching them open the sterile container the needle is in. Professional people both people who tattos and peircings do that for a reason, so you can be confident its clean. They put their instruments in the autoclave just like your dentists office and put their used needles in a hazadous waste sharps container, just like your doctors office. These places have to be licensed and follow certain protocol that is monitered. What I would be worried about is some friend of your childs thinking they can do it for them, I have actually seen someone do it and what the consequence of that would be. My daughter had her ears pierced when she was a baby, I just don't see what the big deal is. Maybe my outlook on it is different because its so prevalent here in Florida. The only real issue I see is can the child take care of it and make sure it doesn't get infected, if so then I don't see why not. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
angie Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 Yes it was...If you go to a reputable place you won't have a problem, like watching them open the sterile container the needle is in. Professional people both people who tattos and peircings do that for a reason, so you can be confident its clean. They put their instruments in the autoclave just like your dentists office and put their used needles in a hazadous waste sharps container, just like your doctors office. These places have to be licensed and follow certain protocol that is monitered. What I would be worried about is some friend of your childs thinking they can do it for them, I have actually seen someone do it and what the consequence of that would be. My daughter had her ears pierced when she was a baby, I just don't see what the big deal is. Maybe my outlook on it is different because its so prevalent here in Florida. The only real issue I see is can the child take care of it and make sure it doesn't get infected, if so then I don't see why not. I think the ear piercing thing is different (Isabel is getting hers done after her shots on Friday). Do you honestly want your 13 year old strutting around showing off her belly? I know I don't. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
tizz Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 My reasoning for the being 13 to get the ears done is that if she decides to go into recreational sports as I did, there will be less of a problem with having to take them out every other day, and let possibility of them getting infected. PLUS I wasn't allowed to till i was thirteen and what is good for the goose...... I am VERY lenient about a lot of stuff but if I make a rule on something it stands. No cell phone till she is bare min 16 preferable not till she drives, no phone in the bedroom till 16, no TV or internet in the bedroom, NO BRATZ EVER LOL etc. Ya puberty is gonna suck but I want to be a mom not a best friend to a teenager. I hated teenagers when i was one LOL Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I think the ear piercing thing is different (Isabel is getting hers done after her shots on Friday). Do you honestly want your 13 year old strutting around showing off her belly? I know I don't. Here in Florida we spend ALOT of time in bathing suits and YES my 9 year old wears a two piece, that is the only time it would show because she doesn't wear shirts that are too short in the waist. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
angie Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Here in Florida we spend ALOT of time in bathing suits and YES my 9 year old wears a two piece, that is the only time it would show because she doesn't wear shirts that are too short in the waist. Okay you got me on the bathing suit thing. I just wouldn't be comfortable with it. I think half the reason is here in NE bathing suit season is short and first it would be the bellybutton, next belly shirts-and no I don't think so on that. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 My reasoning for the being 13 to get the ears done is that if she decides to go into recreational sports as I did, there will be less of a problem with having to take them out every other day, and let possibility of them getting infected. PLUS I wasn't allowed to till i was thirteen and what is good for the goose...... I am VERY lenient about a lot of stuff but if I make a rule on something it stands. No cell phone till she is bare min 16 preferable not till she drives, no phone in the bedroom till 16, no TV or internet in the bedroom, NO BRATZ EVER LOL etc. Ya puberty is gonna suck but I want to be a mom not a best friend to a teenager. I hated teenagers when i was one LOL I'm not saying your wrong, I wouldn't presume but I was raised with more don't then do and there are some things I just don't think matter. I do agree that children should not have a computer in their room for safety sake absolutely and unconditionally. As far as cell phones, if she can pay the bill she can have one...not likely to happen soon. There are devices like the firefly designed for children but they can't call just anybody they want, you program in 5 numbers and thats all they can call, you can reach them when their playing at a friends house etc. However I don't have the money for one of these nifty little gadgets. I toyed with the idea of a cell phone for her to have when she is not with me only and NEVER at school but it didn't make sense to me for the cost. Money is tight. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
tizz Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I allready have ten mile walkie talkies and that will have to do until I say otherwise. I see no need for a kid to have a cell phone. When she is out and about in the neighborhood i will be able to find her quick. No phon of her own until 16. this is a small town area. You got the home phone, email, pay phones and bike. that is more than one needs around here LOL Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
skategreen Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 My 13 yo daughter wants her bb pierced but i say that is to damn young!! She won't talk to me now of course. She is a and b honors course student that never gives us any shit except for the occasional smart mouth. Am i being to "fatherly"??? You're the Dad and you get to be stuffy if you want to. I would think that if you know the reasons why you don't feel comfortable with her having her BB pierced at 13, and you then explain this to her so that she understands (understands, not necessarily agrees with) ... then you've done your job well. Personally? BB piercing is either a sexual statement or comes close. It's very different from ear piercing. BB piercing is more rooted and associated with flaunting a body, being a body, and promoting sex. It is at least perceived in this manner. Nuthin wrong with sex or being sexy - unless you're 13. I agree, 13 is too young. ... and if my daughter was that age and was asking, I'd be explaining why not along the lines as above. Quote The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings. - Buddha
snafu Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Oh hell no! To young. Let her put away her barbies first. It Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
TheJenn88 Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 No to the belly button piercing? Why? Because there's too much sexuality, peer pressure/opinion and fashion surrounding that concept. Why get a piercing so no one knows? Obviously she'll want to show it off. That means mid-riff shirts, etc. etc. and at that age, no. However, things like ears? Whatever - makes no difference to me. Quote
eisanbt Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I'll give you the "Wanting to show it off" argument, but a piercing isn't a big thing at any age. Christ, it heals if you want it to. Unfortuatly only the kid themself knows the motive for getting one and if that is Christina Ageularia then give em a good smack. However I don't support people treating body modification as if its some huge/devient thing. By saying "ARE YOU CRAZY??##@!" you're sending the message that its all bad, which is bullshit. Perhaps I'll post some tattoo picks later, including the prison style ones. (Don't i feel like a bad ass ) Quote http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards" -Lewis Carroll
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I never thought about belly button piercing being any different then getting your ears pierced, certainly not more sexy. We are able to swim here for probably 2/3 of the year, thats when I notice them here. Diane and I go to the beach, pool and water parks in Orlando alot. Other then my friends lifting their shirt to show me their new belly button ring, I never noticed them except when we are swimming. I just don't think being a kid has to be about saying NO all the time. For example for Dianes picture this year I let her wear make up I even went to school and applied her makeup just prior to her having her picture taken, she often looks pale in the pictures. She also wore a costume with jewelry. The pictures were taken near Halloween and alot of kids did that. There are plenty of things that its important to take a stand on but there are some that just don't matter to me. I was raised in a church where I wasn't allowed to do much, no movies, no TV from Friday night until Saturday night, no noticeable makeup, no jewelry, the list goes on. Even married people didn't wear wedding rings although I hear they are more relaxed on that now. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
angie Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I'll give you the "Wanting to show it off" argument, but a piercing isn't a big thing at any age. Christ, it heals if you want it to. Unfortuatly only the kid themself knows the motive for getting one and if that is Christina Ageularia then give em a good smack. However I don't support people treating body modification as if its some huge/devient thing. By saying "ARE YOU CRAZY??##@!" you're sending the message that its all bad, which is bullshit. Perhaps I'll post some tattoo picks later, including the prison style ones. (Don't i feel like a bad ass ) Don't misinterpret my opinion on body modifications. I love them, and I think if they are placed tastefully, they can be quite attractive. I have 3 tattoos (one quite large) and my nose pierced (tiny itty bitty stud that most people don't even notice). I also used to have my tongue and labret pierced, and I have a total of 10 ear piercings. Honestly, if my daughter was say 16 and wanted to pierce her nose, I'd be okay with that I think. The bellybutton is just too much sexual innuendo for my taste (especially for someone as young as 13). The oral piercings I would say no to simply for the fact that they are extremely damaging to your teeth and gums (which is why I took mine out). Tattoos I wouldn't allow before 18. They are permanent and teens change what they like much too often to be marking their body permanently. Hell, I got my first tattoo at 19, and 5 years later I ain't that crazy about it. But it's on my back so it isn't a huge deal to me since if I don't want it seen, it's not. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I never thought about a belly button ring in those terms and maybe I would have had my daughter been a budding 13 year old. I think you guys might be right about this. She is affraid to get anything peirced anyway. She is still just a child to me at 9 so I don't see her in a sexual way, I'm sure by the time she is 13 I will be scrambling though. She doesn't need to draw extra attention from boys...GOD I'm not looking forward to that. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
angie Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I never thought about a belly button ring in those terms and maybe I would have had my daughter been a budding 13 year old. I think you guys might be right about this. She is affraid to get anything peirced anyway. She is still just a child to me at 9 so I don't see her in a sexual way, I'm sure by the time she is 13 I will be scrambling though. She doesn't need to draw extra attention from boys...GOD I'm not looking forward to that. In my honest opinion, I really think you will change your mind. By the time Diane hits 13, she most likely will be well on her way to having a womanly figure (if not already there, my cousin was at 13) and I'm sure you do not want her or others viewing her as a sexual figure at that age. And the fear of piercings may change (just a warning). I am PETRIFIED of needles, yet tattoos and piercings I'm ok with. Just shots and I.V.s bug me. When I was younger, I never would've thought I'd have the nerve to do what I've done. Or perhaps you'll be lucky and she will shy away from them purely out of fear. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
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