Silmaril39 Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I'm sure a lot of you have seen this by now, but I'm wondering what you all think. http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/index.html In my opinion, men and women should have equal rights, as long as an abortion option is on the table, a man should be able to opt for a "male abortion" and walk away. In my opinion it is justified to grant men and women essentially equal rights. The man is not preventing the woman from having the baby if she wants too, he's just saying I don't want it, you I won't pay for it. For women it is acceptable to choose whether or not to have the baby regardless of the man's opinion, so why doesn't the same right extend to men? So... what do you think? Quote "Regarding Henry Brinton's article on the like between religion, science and mental illness (Op-Ed, June 19), it would help if people understand that religion is a mental illness for which science is the cure." -A.P. Vinayagam, San Jose.
phreakwars Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I think the idea of WOMENS LIB has overstepped it's bounds and that, like reverse discrimination, it hampers us as civilized humans more then help us. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
Vortex Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 i think they are both idiots. If they cant control themselves sexually then they shouldnt have sex... CONDOMS anyone?! What an irritating story. 2 irrisponsible people duking it out, sigh sadly i know many people in that kind of predicament that i care dearly about. But i just know if i screw up and dont wear a condom i could end up with something more horrorfying than a baby. So my sympathy wears thin.... 1 Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Absolutely, it's really a no-brainer. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I think if a man can prove that he was lied to, the woman tricked him into having sex with her, by saying she was protected when she was not taking the pill, then I don't think he should be held responsible for the child. However I don't think it can be construed as the same thing because women must have the right to terminate because the pregnancy is going on in their body. A first trimester abortion is less risk then a full term pregnancy. However I don't think that women should be allowed to terminate without the Father being at least notified. In practical sense I don't know how this would work obviously. As Vortex says, if men are SO fuckin worried about getting someone pregnant, break out the condoms. That way you will have the backup no matter what your partner is taking or if she isn't taking anything at all. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
sixes Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I think if a man can prove that he was lied to, the woman tricked him into having sex with her, by saying she was protected when she was not taking the pill, then I don't think he should be held responsible for the child. However I don't think it can be construed as the same thing because women must have the right to terminate because the pregnancy is going on in their body. A first trimester abortion is less risk then a full term pregnancy. However I don't think that women should be allowed to terminate without the Father being at least notified. In practical sense I don't know how this would work obviously. As Vortex says, if men are SO fuckin worried about getting someone pregnant, break out the condoms. That way you will have the backup no matter what your partner is taking or if she isn't taking anything at all. My second child was concieved by her mother telling me the oldest trick in the book ,she could'nt have any kids. Well I feel for it ,now our daugher is the one suffering. Had I taken her to court and got her into a bunch of legal probelms it would have only effected my daughters life in a bad way. So I am blessed with a wonderful child I can never see ,because her mother has drawn a line in the sand that could make me take our daughter away from her mother. If there is one thing I have learned in my 27 years on this planet ,its to never take a child away from a mother unless she is unfit. The child never recovers from such a loss. It really sucks for us men ,but it is the sad truth for us. Quote .
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 However I don't think it can be construed as the same thing because women must have the right to terminate because the pregnancy is going on in their body. A first trimester abortion is less risk then a full term pregnancy.Sure, but their decision is a helluvalot easier knowing that the man is financially responsible and has no say so at all! Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
RoyalOrleans Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 My second child was concieved by her mother telling me the oldest trick in the book ,she could'nt have any kids. Well I feel for it ,now our daugher is the one suffering. Had I taken her to court and got her into a bunch of legal probelms it would have only effected my daughters life in a bad way. So I am blessed with a wonderful child I can never see ,because her mother has drawn a line in the sand that could make me take our daughter away from her mother. If there is one thing I have learned in my 27 years on this planet ,its to never take a child away from a mother unless she is unfit. The child never recovers from such a loss. It really sucks for us men ,but it is the sad truth for us. Sixes, you were allowed to procreate? Jesus H Christ, boy! They should've ripped your balls off so that you couldn't contaminate the rest of the world. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
Quarky1.0 Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I'm sure a lot of you have seen this by now, but I'm wondering what you all think. http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/index.html In my opinion, men and women should have equal rights, as long as an abortion option is on the table, a man should be able to opt for a "male abortion" and walk away. In my opinion it is justified to grant men and women essentially equal rights. The man is not preventing the woman from having the baby if she wants too, he's just saying I don't want it, you I won't pay for it. For women it is acceptable to choose whether or not to have the baby regardless of the man's opinion, so why doesn't the same right extend to men? So... what do you think? I agree with this in principle, if a man doesn't want to accept his legal obligations, he should be able to abort himself from the pregnancy and be done with it. As far as the whole women lib going to far, I agree with this also. Initially women Quote
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I agree with this in principle, if a man doesn't want to accept his legal obligations, he should be able to abort himself from the pregnancy and be done with it. As far as the whole women lib going to far, I agree with this also. Initially women Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
Gallytuck Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Skipping the reading I'll get right into it. Yes, women have the upper hand. Example: A is a woman and B is a man. A and B get their fuck on. A gets pregnant. B is ecstatic. B wants kids. A does not. A wants to terminate the pregnancy. B is livid and wishes for the child to be born. A reminds B that it is her body. B retorts by reminding A that the child is also of him. So what would happen? Sure, it's probably a rare case but even if the above scenario has occured only once it's nonetheless valid. Why do women have the dibs on making the birth call? They don't seem to be slow at the buzzer when the scenario is reversed. They even take it further and ensure that the man involved pays for the child, willingly or not. But hey, it's the woman's body, eh? She can do as she pleases. But should she be allowed to do as she pleases all the time? Quote
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Skipping the reading I'll get right into it. Yes, women have the upper hand. Example: A is a woman and B is a man. A and B get their fuck on. A gets pregnant. B is ecstatic. B wants kids. A does not. A wants to terminate the pregnancy. B is livid and wishes for the child to be born. A reminds B that it is her body. B retorts by reminding A that the child is also of him. So what would happen? Sure, it's probably a rare case but even if the above scenario has occured only once it's nonetheless valid. Why do women have the dibs on making the birth call? They don't seem to be slow at the buzzer when the scenario is reversed. They even take it further and ensure that the man involved pays for the child, willingly or not. But hey, it's the woman's body, eh? She can do as she pleases. But should she be allowed to do as she pleases all the time? Can you men give an honest answer about how you would feel if the roles were reversed and it was your body on the line? Frankly I couldn't abort a child at all, I don't think even if I were raped. I say this but I have never been in that spot. I definetly couldn't abort a child with its Father sitting next to me begging me to let it be born. It just seems if a woman ended up in that position, why couldn't she at least consider having the child and giving the child to him too raise. However I am VERY careful of who I sleep with, its not like I could end up pregnant and not be on very close terms with the Father. What my concern is that making a law that legislates that paints people into a corner. I just don't know how it could be done fairly. I think people should be more careful about with whom they are sleeping with, both men and women. I know we've all heard the same diatribe but don't have sex with someone you don't know well enough to know if they will lie about taking birth control, don't sleep with someone who could be having sex with someone else so if a pregnancy occurs you don't know whose it is, don't have sex EVER without a condom unless your wanting a child or in a totally commited relationship. God I sound like a Mother...sorry. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
Gallytuck Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I would prefer to have it such a way that everyone is responsible for their own genitilia. But that's not going to happen tomorrow. Quote
tizz Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Women may have the upper hand, but guess what? A man can be responsible for himself and use a condom if he doesn't want to have kids. Double up if he has to. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
tiredofwhiners Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 My take from that story...Dude GAY tried a chick thought no harm, oop's fuck now what should have stuck to anal. Chick HORRER was going to change the gay guy over, has had sex many times never got knocked up so there must be a medical problem, fuck maybe i was lucky all the other times. Oh well get 500.00 off the gay dude, don't have to work just stay home and collect welfare. Kid INASENT did'nt asked to be born, but know is stuck in the middle. Dad doesn't want it, mom only wants the money from it. Kid grows up thinking no body love it, and at 14 comments suicide. Back to my fix every baby boy at birth. Then when there ready to have a family go get a reversal. Quote AA's for quitters...i'm no quitter!
Vortex Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Women may have the upper hand, but guess what? A man can be responsible for himself and use a condom if he doesn't want to have kids. Double up if he has to. Lets not forget the woman....she has a say in the latex department. She should insist he wear one too. Less she wants a baby herself, if so a MAJOR discussion should have been made before that bottle of wine at dinner.... Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
sixes Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Sixes, you were allowed to procreate? Jesus H Christ, boy! They should've ripped your balls off so that you couldn't contaminate the rest of the world. Looks like it my turn for an ass whooping......... Quote .
Lethalfind Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Looks like it my turn for an ass whooping......... Suggesting that your balls might benefit from being ripped off is just ROs way of showing affection... Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
Komrade Vostok Hazard Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Maybe kind of hypocritical for me to say this, but HOW ABOUT NO ABORTION AT ALL? They piss and whine about the rights of the woman (and the man) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BABY'S RIGHTS? Quote All bullshit, No Business.
Feckless Wench Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 The difference is that when a woman aborts a child there IS no more child, if a man walks away it doesn't stop the child from existing. Someone still has to support the kid financially until it reaches the age to support itself. I am not saying that it is better to kill the kid, only that the two things are entirely different. 1 Quote Dementia is just a state of mind.
sixes Posted March 10, 2006 Posted March 10, 2006 The difference is that when a woman aborts a child there IS no more child, if a man walks away it doesn't stop the child from existing. Someone still has to support the kid financially until it reaches the age to support itself. I am not saying that it is better to kill the kid, only that the two things are entirely different. Well as far as almost every state in the U.S. is concerned. There are a set of laws for women ,and a set of laws for men. Of course most dont figure that out untill they are dealing with the legal aspects. Our Country tells us we have the same rights but how the hell could any Country make a profit off of being honest? hehe Quote .
Feckless Wench Posted March 10, 2006 Posted March 10, 2006 In this case it is impossible to have the same rights due to the fact that men and women do not have the same bodies! Quote Dementia is just a state of mind.
Outlaw2747 Posted March 10, 2006 Posted March 10, 2006 Maybe if stupid people would stop breeding altogether we wouldn't have all these problems in the first place now would we? Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
RoyalOrleans Posted March 10, 2006 Posted March 10, 2006 Maybe if stupid people would stop breeding altogether we wouldn't have all these problems in the first place now would we? That's the Outlaw I know and respect! Give 'em Hell, 2747! Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
sixes Posted March 11, 2006 Posted March 11, 2006 In this case it is impossible to have the same rights due to the fact that men and women do not have the same bodies! Don't shoot the messenger ,Oh I guess I did bring it up. I don't understand why we advocate equal rights ,when in fact we are not. That was my point. Quote .
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