Gallytuck Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 I believe a marriage must be consensual or something. But if you can get a fridge to make some sort of gesture or something indicating its willingness to marry some dumbass then hey, go ahead. Quote
Vortex Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Being gay is not a natuaral thing, christianity or no chrisianity. Therefore why should we let our society degrade into allowing gay marriage? What comes after gay marriage id its allowed? people marrying dogs and horses? Gay marriage is just another step along the way to a destroyed human society. Ill agree with you saying gay is not a natural thing right after you show me your degree in science and reports of hundreds upon hundreds of hours of research you have done on this subject. 2nd, people marrying their dog is not even in the same ball park.....hell it isnt even the same game. An adult man wanting to marry and adult man is consentual.....a dog cant consent to marrying a human.......christ Destroyed human society? I believe that is what happens when hate is the norm and people generally have no respect for eachother or their property (see skateboarding where you are not supposed too...same deal, just trying to simplify) . So NOT allowing 2 adults to get married because of other peoples hatred sounds too me like a destoryed human society...... Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Skaterdude409 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 You know why its not natural? just do some science, put one group of straight people on an island and put a group of all gay people on another island. The purpose of having a mate is for reproducton. The gay people on the one island will all die out while the straight people on the other island will reproduce and another generation will replace them. My point is, a gay life style cannot survive on its own while a straight life style can survive on its own. Whats natuaral in nature is survival and a gay life style cannot survive on its own. Quote
hugo Posted March 20, 2006 Author Posted March 20, 2006 You know why its not natural? just do some science, put one group of straight people on an island and put a group of all gay people on another island. The purpose of having a mate is for reproducton. The gay people on the one island will all die out while the straight people on the other island will reproduce and another generation will replace them. My point is, a gay life style cannot survive on its own while a straight life style can survive on its own. Whats natuaral in nature is survival and a gay life style cannot survive on its own. Considering there are too many people in this world, you being one of them, what relevance does your island analogy have? Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Skaterdude409 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 That the gay life style cannot survive by itself. When isolated it dies out. Plants and animals evolve to survive. A plant that gets no light becuase of other plants blocking light, will grow taller or find some other way to get light. If something dies out becuase it cant reproduce when it has the option to(being straight) it going against survival and everything natuaral wants to survive. Quote
Gallytuck Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 You know why its not natural? just do some science, put one group of straight people on an island and put a group of all gay people on another island. The purpose of having a mate is for reproducton. The gay people on the one island will all die out while the straight people on the other island will reproduce and another generation will replace them. My point is, a gay life style cannot survive on its own while a straight life style can survive on its own. Whats natuaral in nature is survival and a gay life style cannot survive on its own. Women can already reproduce without needing a man present. Research in genetics isn't very far off from creating a means by which men can be bypassed altogether. So much for the heteros. Quote
hugo Posted March 20, 2006 Author Posted March 20, 2006 Just because something is an evolutionary dead end does not make it unnatural; ask any mule. Of course, even under your ludicrous reasoning there is still no reason to discriminate against homosexuals. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Skaterdude409 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Women can already reproduce without needing a man present. Research in genetics isn't very far off from creating a means by which men can be bypassed altogether. So much for the heteros. but then you dont need a mate and their is no purpose for one. Some lizards can clone themselves this way. The problem is without new chromosomes, they are more likely to get certain dieseases and die out Quote
Skaterdude409 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Just because something is an evolutionary dead end does not make it unnatural; ask any mule. Of course, even under your ludicrous reasoning there is still no reason to discriminate against homosexuals. a mule is a differnt story. Its a cross breed that is sterile. Interspecies have nothing to do with gays Quote
Gallytuck Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Evolution is a bullshit theory. It's a nice counter to creationism but it's still bullshit. Maybe if they'd find some real evidence of it. And isolated instances of adaptation do not count as evidence. I go up to the Arctic and I dress warmly. There's adaptation. I go up the Arctic and I grow enough hair and fat and adopt a hibernation pattern...that's evolution. Quote
Gallytuck Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 but then you dont need a mate and their is no purpose for one. Some lizards can clone themselves this way. The problem is without new chromosomes, they are more likely to get certain dieseases and die out When you can tailor-make your children inbreeding pretty much makes a date with a dodo. Quote
Gallytuck Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 The only downpoints to longterm inbreeding we can see at this point is a long lifespan, huge ears, and wealth beyond your dreams. Not too bad. Quote
Skaterdude409 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Evolution is a bullshit theory. It's a nice counter to creationism but it's still bullshit. Maybe if they'd find some real evidence of it. And isolated instances of adaptation do not count as evidence. I go up to the Arctic and I dress warmly. There's adaptation. I go up the Arctic and I grow enough hair and fat and adopt a hibernation pattern...that's evolution. But were far more intelegent then animals and understand these concepts. That why we are the top of the food chain Quote
Gallytuck Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 But were far more intelegent then animals and understand these concepts. That why we are the top of the food chain We stick around and die in tsunamis and hurricanes while the animals clear out long in advance. I'd say they win. We've done nothing to really stake a claim as top of the foodchain. Certain individuals throughout history have made it possible for us to control our environments(and the population). We've learned to exploit our apparently more feeble living creatures and we've sodomized the planet. While it might not be in our lifetime the way we're going is to certain extinction. We're a blink of an eye in the history of the Earth. Sure, for a while we were masters, but nature(either human or environmental or a mixture of both) will eradicate us like she does any common parasite which can't be tolerated. Quote
Skaterdude409 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 We stick around and die in tsunamis and hurricanes while the animals clear out long in advance. I'd say they win. We've done nothing to really stake a claim as top of the foodchain. Certain individuals throughout history have made it possible for us to control our environments(and the population). We've learned to exploit our apparently more feeble living creatures and we've sodomized the planet. While it might not be in our lifetime the way we're going is to certain extinction. We're a blink of an eye in the history of the Earth. Sure, for a while we were masters, but nature(either human or environmental or a mixture of both) will eradicate us like she does any common parasite which can't be tolerated. The tsunamis happened rapidly. Not much we could have done there. huricanes, people get over confident in their ability to survive Quote
hugo Posted March 20, 2006 Author Posted March 20, 2006 The only downpoints to longterm inbreeding we can see at this point is a long lifespan, huge ears, and wealth beyond your dreams. Not too bad. You left out bad taste in women. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
jokersarewild Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 SkaterDud, you haven't pointed out shit. You say that homosexuality is unnatural because, in a sense, it cannot be created as it cannot reproduce. Except for the fact that homosexuals can reproduce, they just choose not to. Their choice! And we have no clue what causes homosexuality, but it isn't necessarily a choice. Some people just want to have sex with the same sex. Question: What the fuck does this have to do with the constitutionality of gay marriage? Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
Skaterdude409 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 SkaterDud, you haven't pointed out shit. You say that homosexuality is unnatural because, in a sense, it cannot be created as it cannot reproduce. Except for the fact that homosexuals can reproduce, they just choose not to. Their choice! And we have no clue what causes homosexuality, but it isn't necessarily a choice. Some people just want to have sex with the same sex. Question: What the fuck does this have to do with the constitutionality of gay marriage? ive pointed out that being gay is not part of the natuaral process of life. its a dead end and we shouldnt support a dead end. Quote
hugo Posted March 20, 2006 Author Posted March 20, 2006 ive pointed out that being gay is not part of the natuaral process of life. its a dead end and we shouldnt support a dead end. Where is that in the Constitution? Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Lethalfind Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 are animals gay? no. (except for the odd ball that thinks hes getten pussy) what are humans? Intelegent animals. Gay marriage will be denied in the US. i beleive 17 states have already banned it and the federal government is working on an amendment that will end it once and for all. its perfectly constitutional to ban it state supreme courts have already ruled against gay marriage You need to get out more, animals don't marry either...but if you watch closely they do often indulge in same sex encounters... Your talking a bunch of uninformed shit someone else has fed you. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
eisanbt Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 but then you dont need a mate and their is no purpose for one. Some lizards can clone themselves this way. The problem is without new chromosomes, they are more likely to get certain dieseases and die out Lets say Skaterdude gets himself a girlfriend. If you ever had one, what purpose did she serve? Was it reproduction? If not then WHY THE HELL WERE YOU WITH HER? It wouldn't be because you wanted to get your balls off was it, or perhaps it was something more liek, oh feeling something for her mayhap, in anycase I doubt it resulted in a gaggle of chillins'. If you want to defend this argument then you'd best tell me that you don't believe in pre-marital sex and that having sex, or otherwise getting your balls off before marriage, is completely wrong as it dosn't serve the purpose of pro-creation. Marriage as an institution dose not include a "You must have kids" Clause. Wither or not it exist in your religion is irrelevant to those who think otherwise. The state cannot force somebody to pro-create. Therefore if you allow a hetrosexual couple who dose not wish to have kids or perhaps even simply a couple of folks who got drunk in Vegas one night and decided to get hitched then it has no place telling gay couples who share the exact same bond or drunken mischiefing that they cannot do the same simply because they poke a different, or in some cases the same, orifice as many stright couples. Oh and by the way, your lizard example is entirly irrelevant as the process for creating an artificial sperm does not mean that they use the mother DNA, it would be gotton from another female and diversity would continue. Quote http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards" -Lewis Carroll
Quarky1.0 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 If I live with a woman for six months, she is entitled to half of the proceeds of our relationship. I don't see why the same rule doesn't apply to gays. I agree, i don't have a problem with gay marriage. Quote
Gallytuck Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 You're approaching this strictly from a scientific viewpoint. We can't even see 99.5% of the mass in our universe but we can go and make such profound statements such as gravity being universal. Or relationships essentially being a form of securing a mating partner. Muslims to scorch in the sun, Christians to the lions, and Jews and the rest naked to Antarctica but by no means will I say that science is absolute. For anyone who caught it, I had an entirely different quote than I intended here. Sorry eis. Quote
Vortex Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 You know why its not natural? just do some science, Once again..show me your science degree before trying to act smart.... put one group of straight people on an island and put a group of all gay people on another island. Duh thats a no brainer...hence most of your arguments so far....but we arent talking about reproduction now are we........oh and a little secret for you...if its not natural why are all the straight people having gay kids from time to time?!?! The purpose of having a mate is for reproducton. is that so? wow....tell that to the senior citizens who want a companion afer their mate has died...or even those that dont want to have kids but want a companion...fucktard... The gay people on the one island will all die out while the straight people on the other island will reproduce and another generation will replace them. they may also have gay kids...guess your theory just went up in smoke huh! My point is, a gay life style cannot survive on its own while a straight life style can survive on its own. Whats natuaral in nature is survival and a gay life style cannot survive on its own. oh but it can...after all the straight people have they gay kids....hmm hows that for repetition...but you did the same... Nature is an odd thing. Perhaps the boom in gay people has something to do with the fact that we are overpopulating this earth like a virus (hmm thats kinda matrix wasnt it). Some species can change sex when there are too many of one kind to help the species continue to live...others attack and kill eachother. And we as humans have a brain, reasoning, and a conscience.....unfortunately we have trouble using all 3. In conclusion it doesnt matter who you love....just that you love...... Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
jokersarewild Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 I've decided to stop defending anything to SkaterDud, since he will never provide proof or admit he is wrong. Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
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