Alright you sack-o-shit islamic appololgists...

[Skaterdude409]

I QUOTED YOU ABOVE, PROVING YOU WRONG!

 

It's along not "alon"... LEARN TO THINK.

 

And he is not the only one who contributed to it. He had the help of Allah the Almighty, Gabriel, his companions who helped him through his struggles. He never had some divine right shit where his companions believed that you are born Royal, and chosen by god with special powers... He never believed the pope could walk into a 6 x 7 foot room and talk to god...

 

 

All anyone ever heard of the quran was from mohammed. Thats all the proof their is of islam

[Hamza123]

Yeah it is a common place to make errors in your spelling. However, I rarely do not. Therefore, you framing me for grammatical errors only show how much more of an idiot you really are.... Anyways, let me continue. Islam is the ONLY religion which includes, Jews, Christians, Muslims, and SABIANS, and all of them are portrayed well.

 

First of all, there are several versions of the Bible in English. Many use different words in certain places. Some add in or take out whole books. Obviously, not all of them can be the "true" Bible. So which is it? Many people stick by certain versions, accusing the others of inaccuracy, but the truth is that all of them are wrong. This is because of a simple fact that most Christians seem to have either forgotten or are simply too stupid to know: When the Bible was written, the language known as English DID NOT EXIST.

 

So what? So it started in other languages, but the words still mean the same thing right? Guess again.

 

I'm sure you're all familiar with the term "lost in translation." It means that language is entirely dependant on one thing: the culture speaking it. Languages are not interchangeable because cultures are not interchangable. The Japanese people, for example, have such a complex system of humility and politeness, they have many different words for the same thing, each depending on the level of politeness (or lack thereof) the situation requires and the person (or people) speaking. They have no less than ten different words for "I/me"!!

 

Only by understanding both cultures can you understand what is "lost" and why. Obviously, this creates a huge problem. Still don't see it? Keep reading. The Bible was translated into English from Latin, a language which, after the fall of the Roman Empire, was understood only by scholars and clergy. Before it was in Latin, it was Greek, Aramaic, and Ancient Hebrew. Therefore, to fully understand the original words of the Bible, and therefore to understand the Bible itself, you must know not only all those languages, but also the people who spoke them. Slight problem. They're all dead. What they left behind is all we have with which to understand them and their culture. We can't ask them what cultural movment or event lead to the creation or alteration of this or that word so how can we be sure our translation is anywhere near correct?

 

The problem gets even more complicated. As I said before, after the fall of Rome, only scholars and clergy could understand Latin. They had to translate the Bible for everyone else, for it was forbidden to translate the Bible into any other language without Vatican approval. The King James Bible, published in 1611, was the first English translation of the Bible approved by the Vatican. In order to create this Bible, King James brought cardinals and bishops from around Europe to produce the translation. It is well known that they did not only translate the Bible, they also edited it, changing many words and phrases that they didn't think were "appropriate" for the common people to read. But that wasn't the first time the Bible was "edited." Here is an excellent timeline of the creation of the Bible demonstrating how the books slowly came together over time: History of the Bible. Note the use of the words "commonly accepted" and "widely accepted" referring to the 27 books of the New Testament. Obviously, the 27 were not the only books that had been written. Why then were some books not "accepted"? Were they forgeries? Or were they true versions that were unaccepted only because people didn't know any better? Here is an absolutely excellent page which answers those questions and more: A New Testament: Rise of the Christian Church. Obviously, church bias figured strongly into the equation! Just how "divinely inspired" could these writings have been, really?

 

Even if you can ignore all of these points, I still have one more. Writings that can be considered "divinely inspired" are often based on the writer's visions, dreams, voices that he/she has heard, etc. Surely, you are familiar with what I refer to as the Accident Phenomenon. Ten people witness an accident, yet every story is different. Perception clouds everything. Whether they realize it or not, whether they intend it or not, it still happens. In many cases, the authors of these "revelations" were the only "witnesses" so we have only their perceptions and, inevitably, their baggage, their bias, their attitudes formed by their culture and their life. Even a vision from God cannot possibly escape this "warping". Every pebble affects the course of the river, no matter how pure the water is.

 

There is no version of the Bible on this planet that can be entirely and completely the divinely inspired Word of God. It simply isn't possible. Pieces of it perhaps may be very accurate, but which? What if the truth was completely lost in translation, or, worse yet, destroyed by careless, egotistical, ignorant church leaders? All the evidence points to severe problems so how can any of it be trusted?

 

Nothing should ever just be accepted simply because it is popular or traditional. Ignorance, complacency, and conformity ultimately lead to the death of the mind and the soul. As the amazingly talented author J.K. Rowling says, "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain."

[Outlaw2747]

MOHAMMED = SHIT LARVA

 

Sorry, I felt left out.

[Hamza123]

MOHAMMED = SHIT LARVA

 

Sorry, I felt left out.

 

One at a time..

[Outlaw2747]

But on the real, this is quite the interesting topic. Giving me something to read whether it is insight on religion or the zany insults.

[Gallytuck]

LOL. Thats the best you can come up with. You must not use instant messager. Its common place to misspell things where as its pretty easy to read, even if it is misspelled

 

Using instant messaging doesn't give anyone an excuse to slack on spelling.

 

unl3ss u r gam3r th3n u r alow3d 2 sp3l hwvr u li3k

 

No, just kidding. There's no excuse. Not everyone knows how to spell every word in the English language but you're still obligated to make the effort.

[hugo]

I love this, I know it coming, but I just can't help but read your crap. My perspective is from history, film and popular media are a way of showing this to the general population, if you don't know that, then I suggest you do a class in popular culture. Once again you are banging on about the socialists, if it wasn't for socialism you wouldn't have public health, public education, public services or anything that holds up society. But then again in the USA your government takes great pains in making its people as narrow minded and thick as possible.

All dictatorship have been right wing, i.e. fascism, and I have proved you wrong on past occasions turned out to be not a leftist government but right wing. Your ruling part in the good old USA is a right wing, religious party, just the type of party to form a dictatorship, so you Hugo a go go, are what is wrong with USA, wake up!

 

You are a fucking idiot. Hitler was a socialist. No four year plans among free market economies. Mussolini, the founder of facism, was a Marxist who tweaked it a bit. Go back to watching your movies and looking for space aliens.

 

The USA has the most powerful economy in the world. We got that way by resisting socialism. We will lose it by embracing socialism.

 

The Bush Administration has increased domestic spending at a rate faster than any rate since LBJ while introducing more socialism in education and health. They are a bunch of socialists. Pat Buchanan has the neocons pegged. Bush occassionally throws a bone to the social conservatives.

 

SYDNEY (AFP) - Australia's conservative federal government threatened to block legislation submitted to local parliament in the country's capital territory that would recognise civil unions for gay and lesbian couples.

 

The center-left government that runs the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) under Australia's state system introduced the bill in the local legislature earlier this week.

 

The legislation would be the first in Australia to allow same-sex couples to enter into a civil union that would have the same recognition as marriage.

 

The bill was introduced in defiance of a federal law passed two years ago by the government of Prime Minister John Howard that formally defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

 

Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said Thursday that the national law gave him the authority to block the ACT bid to legalise gay unions.

 

"For a territory to say 'Well, that's fine for the Commonwealth parliament to have resolved in that way, we're still going to assert that a civil union is a marriage in all but title, and we're going to use marriage celebrants to demonstrate that', let me make it very clear: that will not satisfy the Commonwealth," Ruddock said on Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio.

 

 

We have no federal law, thanks to our Constitution, prohibiting gay marriage. What is wrong with Australia? Why don't you concentrate on cleaning up your own backyard?

[Hamza123]

I see you are not familiar with modern history Islam has been in the media for a very long time, or don

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

The Qur'an never states Muhammed (pbuh) having sexual intercourse with Aisha, however she is taken in the same situation as Mary was. Without sexual intercourse. And according to history and the Old Testement, MARY WAS 9, when she found out she had Jesus.

 

INCONTROVERTABLE FACT NO 6: The (Un)holy Qu'ran Isn't fit to slop hogs with. Mohammed(may piss be upon him) was a pedophile, murderer and the father of terrorism. He now rots in hell and is being fucked in the ass by satan while drinking pig sperm straight from the tap, and he loves it!

[Quarky1.0]

You are a fucking idiot. Hitler was a socialist. No four year plans among free market economies. Mussolini, the founder of facism, was a Marxist who tweaked it a bit. Go back to watching your movies and looking for space aliens.

 

The USA has the most powerful economy in the world. We got that way by resisting socialism. We will lose it by embracing socialism.

 

The Bush Administration has increased domestic spending at a rate faster than any rate since LBJ while introducing more socialism in education and health. They are a bunch of socialists. Pat Buchanan has the neocons pegged. Bush occassionally throws a bone to the social conservatives.

 

 

 

We have no federal law, thanks to our Constitution, prohibiting gay marriage. What is wrong with Australia? Why don't you concentrate on cleaning up your own backyard?

 

Goddamn you talk a load of shit, your high court banned gay marriage last year, you fuck tard. Also the above law was passed because the Howard Government has its head so up Bushes arse they can taste his shit, the law was passed because you did it first.

As to Hitler, yes he was a socialist, but he was also a fascist, fascism is right wing, look it up! The first person to put fascism into practice was Mussolini and yes he did have elements of Marxism in his ideology, but yet again you have missed the point. Fascism is not Marxism, although they have similar agendas they are at the basis of there ideological makeup very different, Marxism is supposed to be extreme left wing and fascism is defiantly right wing. As to Hitler not having a four year plan, are you fucking high, he not only had a four year plan, he had a thousand year plan, that

[Lethalfind]

Using instant messaging doesn't give anyone an excuse to slack on spelling.

 

unl3ss u r gam3r th3n u r alow3d 2 sp3l hwvr u li3k

 

No, just kidding. There's no excuse. Not everyone knows how to spell every word in the English language but you're still obligated to make the effort.

 

Another thread where you are gasing on about people's spelling, you need to understand that this isn't school and this isn't work, things aren't going to be perfectly spelled, that doesn't give leave for you to ignore the general message so you can be obsessive compulsive about people's spelling...

[hugo]

Goddamn you talk a load of shit, your high court banned gay marriage last year, you fuck tard. Also the above law was passed because the Howard Government has its head so up Bushes arse they can taste his shit, the law was passed because you did it first.

As to Hitler, yes he was a socialist, but he was also a fascist, fascism is right wing, look it up! The first person to put fascism into practice was Mussolini and yes he did have elements of Marxism in his ideology, but yet again you have missed the point. Fascism is not Marxism, although they have similar agendas they are at the basis of there ideological makeup very different, Marxism is supposed to be extreme left wing and fascism is defiantly right wing. As to Hitler not having a four year plan, are you fucking high, he not only had a four year plan, he had a thousand year plan, that

[Quarky1.0]

Clearly the nut got out of his strait jacket again. They do have medications available nowadays for the mentally insane. Seek help.

 

Yeah right if I believed everything I was spoon fed like yourself I would be a retarded as you are, you are a victim of the mass media junk food diet you have been bought up on. Also there may be medication for mental illness, but not for genetic stupidity, which is what you are clearly suffering from.

[Gallytuck]

Another thread where you are gasing on about people's spelling, you need to understand that this isn't school and this isn't work, things aren't going to be perfectly spelled, that doesn't give leave for you to ignore the general message so you can be obsessive compulsive about people's spelling...

 

"Not everyone knows how to spell every word in the English language but you're still obligated to make the effort."

 

If it strikes you as being incorrectly spelled look it up. If you don't realise you're spelling something incorrectly it can't be helped but we can look past it. However, a lot gets taken away from an typo-riddled argument.

[hugo]

Yeah right if I believed everything I was spoon fed like yourself I would be a retarded as you are' date=' you are a victim of the mass media junk food diet you have been bought up on. Also there may be medication for mental illness, but not for genetic stupidity, which is what you are clearly suffering from.[/quote']

 

 

Go back to your space alien magazines.

[LeftRightOut]

East Timor

Muslims have been persecuting Christians for decades. The Evangelistic Loonies on the ‘700 Club’ and their buddies never complained about this massacre,

 

UN verdict on East Timor

Sian Powell, Jakarta correspondent

The Australian, January 19, 2006

http://www.yale.edu/gsp/east_timor/unverdict.html

 

THE Indonesian military used starvation as a weapon to exterminate the East Timorese,

according to a UN report documenting the deaths of as many as 180,000 civilians at the

hands of the occupying forces………….

 

The report blames the Indonesian government and the security forces for the deaths of as

many as 183,000 civilians, more than 90per cent of whom died from hunger and illness.

 

It claims Indonesian police or soldiers were to blame for 70 per cent of the 18,600

unlawful killings or disappearances between 1975 and 1999.

 

Religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor

 

The population is predominantly Roman Catholic (90%), with sizable Muslim (5%) and Protestant (3%) minorities. Smaller Hindu, Buddhist and animist minorities make up the remainder.

 

It is also amazing that the same Bible Thumping Loonies fell silent for 50 years when the CIA and their hired death squads were slaughtering millions Christians, predominately Catholics, in Latin America.

 

 

BtW Cindy? I don't think so. That qoute is Tom Daly.

[Gallytuck]

East Timor

Muslims have been persecuting Christians for decades. The Evangelistic Loonies on the ‘700 Club’ and their buddies never complained about this massacre,

 

THE Indonesian military used starvation as a weapon to exterminate the East Timorese,

according to a UN report documenting the deaths of as many as 180,000 civilians at the

hands of the occupying forces………….

 

The report blames the Indonesian government and the security forces for the deaths of as

many as 183,000 civilians, more than 90per cent of whom died from hunger and illness.

 

It claims Indonesian police or soldiers were to blame for 70 per cent of the 18,600

unlawful killings or disappearances between 1975 and 1999.

 

Religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor

 

The population is predominantly Roman Catholic (90%), with sizable Muslim (5%) and Protestant (3%) minorities. Smaller Hindu, Buddhist and animist minorities make up the remainder.

 

 

My bold.

 

Indonesia:

Religion: 88% Muslim, Protestant 5%, Roman Catholic 3%, Hindu 2%, other 1%. (CIA World Factbook)

 

Get it?

 

You must write for CNN.

[LeftRightOut]

My bold.

 

Indonesia:

Religion: 88% Muslim, Protestant 5%, Roman Catholic 3%, Hindu 2%, other 1%. (CIA World Factbook)

 

Get it?

 

You must write for CNN.

The facts came from the UN and wiki. Indonesia invaded an independant country East Timor [demographics in my post] with the intention of eliminating the Catholic majority.

The Indonesians were supplied by the US. It was all about the Oil again.

Get it?

[builder]

The facts came from the UN and wiki. Indonesia invaded an independant country East Timor [demographics in my post] with the intention of eliminating the Catholic majority.

The Indonesians were supplied by the US. It was all about the Oil again.

Get it?

 

Listen in, dumbfuck. When Australia decided they wanted a cut of the GAS in Timor's offshore fields, Australia decided to liberate Timor from Indonesian oppression. The yanks chose not to intervene.

 

Now sit in the idiot box for two days. Just for being a retard.

[Quarky1.0]

Go back to your space alien magazines.

 

Oh please touch me

[Hamza123]

Listen in, dumbfuck. When Australia decided they wanted a cut of the GAS in Timor's offshore fields, Australia decided to liberate Timor from Indonesian oppression. The yanks chose not to intervene.

 

Now sit in the idiot box for two days. Just for being a retard.

 

I am getting the feeling you really love your powers as a SuperMod.

[LeftRightOut]

Senate Restricts Arms to Indonesia

 

http://www.clw.org/archive/atop/atn/atn1098.html#Senate Restricts

 

On September 3, the Senate voted to prohibit the transfer of lethal military equipment and helicopters to the government of Indonesia if that equipment is intended for use in East Timor. The Indonesian military invaded East Timor in December 1975 and six months later announced the territory was formally part of Indonesia. International human rights groups estimate that 200,000 East Timorese, one-third of the population, have been killed by Indonesian troops in the intervening years.

 

The vote was praised by rights groups. Support of the ban shows that the "Senate finds the Indonesian occupation of East Timor unacceptable," according to Lynn Fredriksson of the East Timor Action Network. The bill "language increases the pressure on Indonesia to comply with international law," she noted.

 

The measure blocking the use of American military equipment in East Timor is contained in the fiscal 1999 Foreign Operations Appropriations bill.

 

The Indonesian military's threat to human rights and democracy

 

http://www.asia-pacific-action.org/statements/statements2congressionalhearing_100305.htm

 

Following the Indonesian military's invasion of East Timor in 1975, an estimated 200,000 East Timorese, one quarter of the population, died as a consequence of living conditions in TNI-organized re-location camps or as direct victims of Indonesian security force violence.

 

Even with the end of the cold war, the US embrace of the dictator Soeharto and his military continued as if US policy were on auto pilot.

 

That relationship endured largely unquestioned until 1991 when the Indonesian military was caught on film by US journalists slaughtering peaceful East Timorese demonstrators. The murder of over 270 East Timorese youth by Indonesian soldiers bearing US-provided M-16's so shocked the US Congress that in 1992 it imposed tight restrictions on further US military-to-military aid, including training for the Indonesian military.

Tentara Nasional Indonesia - (TNI) Indonesian army

 

US trains Indonesia torturers

 

March 18, 1998

 

The American military is training Indonesian special forces units which have been charged with torture and murder of civilians, according to a report which appeared Monday, March 16 in The Nation magazine. The training is continuing despite a congressional ban imposed in 1992 after reports of extensive human rights abuses in East Timor.

 

http://www.angelfire.com/rock/hotburrito/tni/wsws180398.html

 

Pentagon officials confirmed that US military personnel were engaged in training of the commando unit called Kopassus, or Red Berets, which has been deployed against street demonstrators in Jakarta, as well as another elite group known as Kostrad, which occupies central Java, and Suharto's presidential guard.

[builder]

I am getting the feeling you really love your powers as a SuperMod.

 

I'm a softy. I let him out early. I don't like being a meany.

[Gallytuck]

Left, it looked like you were trying to put forth the argument that Indonesian Muslims were killing the christians because they're christian, which isn't really the case...it's more of a delightful side-effect.

 

There's some bad shit going down in E.Timor. To disagree with that would make one an idiot. But don't make it out to be something more than it is.

 

Now, how 'bout them Serbs?

[slip_knot]

I didn't even no there was an East Timor, never mind that the Indonesians were murdering people there.

 

Sounds like a job for NATO. They'll get around to it soon enough .....when crows fly arse first....