is this what you guys call a redneck ?

[tizz]

A warning shot should be shot into the ground for this very reason...

 

I would say the same, but unfortunately most of the fools carrying guns are educated in such matter by television. And where do they ALWAYS fire the warning shot in movies? UP! SAYING that a warning should shot into the ground will do nothing to save the next person to get one in the top of their head.

[snafu]

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=FL

 

Florida Statues regarding the use of firearms...

 

"The legislature of the State of Florida, in a declaration of policy incorporated in its "Weapons and Firearms" statute, recognizes that adult citizens of the state retain their constitutional right to keep and bear firearms for hunting and sporting activities and for defense of self, family, home, and business and as collectibles."

 

"Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in

any place you have a lawful right to be (like my house).

Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others."

 

"It is unlawful to knowingly discharge a firearm in any public place, or on the right of way of any paved public road, highway or street or over any road, highway, street or occupied building, except in defense of life or property, in performance of official duties or where expressly approved for hunting."

 

I was finally able to find the link I was looking for, this tells me I can shoot someone once they have entered my house...It also tells me I can fire a warning shot in a public place to deter someone from harming me or my property...

 

Okay I will concede to that. I think it's great that you don't have to try and run away first. That was a pretty stupid cluse

And it's a givin that the first thing you tell a cop after shooting someone is that you feared for your life.

 

But you still have to prove you were in danger. It says it's unlawful to discharge a fierarm. I would like to see the law on exsesive force. I still think you would end up in jail if you were to shoot someone walking in your house. And I was qouting the cop that conducted my saftey/ permit course on hand guns.

[snafu]

 

"Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in

any place you have a lawful right to be (like my house).

Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others."

 

"It is unlawful to knowingly discharge a firearm in any public place, or on the right of way of any paved public road, highway or street or over any road, highway, street or occupied building, except in defense of life or property, in performance of official duties or where expressly approved for hunting."

 

I was finally able to find the link I was looking for, this tells me I can shoot someone once they have entered my house...It also tells me I can fire a warning shot in a public place to deter someone from harming me or my property...

 

I think that's a great law.

But it doesn't say you can shoot somebody that enters your house. It says you can stand your ground. which was a stupid clause anyway.

 

And it's a givin that the first thing you tell a cop after shooting someone is that you feared for your life. But you will have to prove it in court.

 

You still have to prove you were in danger. It says it's unlawful to discharge a fierarm. I would like to see the law on exsesive force. I still think you would end up in jail if you were to shoot someone walking in your house.

[Lethalfind]

I think that's a great law.

But it doesn't say you can shoot somebody that enters your house. It says you can stand your ground. which was a stupid clause anyway.

 

And it's a givin that the first thing you tell a cop after shooting someone is that you feared for your life. But you will have to prove it in court.

 

You still have to prove you were in danger. It says it's unlawful to discharge a fierarm. I would like to see the law on exsesive force. I still think you would end up in jail if you were to shoot someone walking in your house.

 

Talk to your local police...I have and I know what is permissable in my state...I can and will shoot someone who breaks into my house and I will get a blue ribbon for having done so...

[snafu]

Talk to your local police...I have and I know what is permissable in my state...I can and will shoot someone who breaks into my house and I will get a blue ribbon for having done so...

 

 

I was reserching to prove my point but I must concede.

 

Maybe this guy will get off. who

knows.

 

Hugo this is for Texas..

 

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.002.00.000009.00.htm

 

SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

[Lethalfind]

I was reserching to prove my point but I must concede.

 

And I will recheck my laws here in AK. Maybe this guy will get off. who

knows.

 

Hugo this is for Texas..

 

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.002.00.000009.00.htm

 

SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

[builder]

Firstly, I didn' know you would let yourself be such a dick builder, I'd expect more of you. It makes me sad.

 

Secondly wither or not the case involved harassment form the dipshits or a nutcase old man with an ichy trigger finger there was no need to shoot the kid in that instance or any other short of direct assult on him. I definatly understand you position on dipshits and I'm sorry leathal but stright As, especially in boys, seldom make them perfect angles. I'm fairly fresh out of the education system and, being apart of this generation, have delt with it much more then yourself. Maybe if they're in the chess club and wear special shoes they might be docile but that dosn't even totally rule it out.

 

You've made several mentions to footage, please give us a link or something and mayhap we could better understand eh? From my understanding the kid was simply crossing the guy's lawn, you can't even justify an insanity plea based on past experiences to justify his timing here. There are shitloads of options other then shooting the kid down which could have accomlished something, and without bloodshed (Hell a leg shot even).

 

Last I will make mention to your reconignition of the man's beaten down expression, atleast reconize that to somebody mentally ill that thier expressions can be just as genuine as their reality is to them (Or the one they may claim to have pending psychoics). This however dos not make the actual circumstances any different.

 

I will can't accept murder outside of direct self-defence. You can lay the shit down without taking a life away.

 

One; The old geeza put up with years of abuse that escalated in brazenness and threatening behaviour. If he was a trigger-happy, he would have snapped long before this you fucking arsehole.

 

Two. The footage was on the TV dickwad. How do I link to that?

 

Three. The man's "beaten down expression" indicates his regret that he had to take matters into his own hands. If the cops followed up on earlier reports, and the kids father had flogged the fuck out of the boy for being a cunt, he would still be walking and talking today.

 

So fuck you eisanbt. When you get some real-life experience under your belt, come and give us an opinion. Until then, don't walk on my lawn, fucker.

[builder]

When you read this story its clear to me the old man was the assailant, maybe they use a different dictionary down under, Assail: to attack violently with blows or words.

 

We speak English. You speak a derivative of the same. If you wanna fuck with a language, that's your perogative.

 

Who had the weapon?? I have read it was the old man and that the boy had only a video game in his hands...

 

Who had the numbers? The old man was alone, and the boy was committing a crime in company. Get a grip Lethal.

 

Who was yelling and shouting, again that would have been the old man yelling at the boy.

 

Again, who was being menaced by a serial bully in company? Did the old geeza go looking for trouble? No. The young punk rounded up his mates and went on a harrassment campaign that backfired bigtime.

 

So again, who was the assailant??

 

Again, the assailant was a headstrong intelligent serial harrasser, bouyed up by his past transgressions, and encouraged by the lack of several kicks to his boy arse. If he'd been pulled up before the fact, he would be alive today.

 

Are you really that ignorant or maybe you didn't read my posts...I have every right to shoot someone who enters my home, that is in fact where the tile is that I spoke of, someone entering my home is a threat to my and my daughters safety...I will shoot someone under those circumstances and I will NOT ask for ID to ascertain their age before I shoot them nor will I worry about their mental state...however that is completely different then what this man did.

 

You're a trigger happy fucker Lethal. If you wanna read your own posts, that is how you portray yourself.

 

Again, your either ignorant and heartless or your taking this stance to provoke conversation because your a mod, which makes you a worthless poser and not in the end contributing to real exchange of ideas...

 

If I have ever abused my mod status, it's in the shoutbox. So bash that shit right up where the sun don't shine.

 

I would not shoot someone for destroying my lawn, if someone approached my car and it was clear they were going to set it on fire, then I would probably fire a warning shot into the ground.

 

You would "probably fire a warning shot"?? Don't make me laugh. Retard. You're itching to put some hot lead into someone "deserving". Shall I drag up some of your posts to that effect?

 

Again, if someone was going to set fire to my car they have a weapon in their hand.

 

Poor choice. You won't get off for shooting someone who has a cigarette lighter.

 

You can't go around shooting people who are not armed in any way.

 

See above. And packs of bullies harrassing individuals in their homes are called home invaders. What would you do in the same situation? Take up knitting perhaps?

 

You call me a hypocrite, in reality I have a better idea of under what circumstances an American citizen can shoot someone then you do...that much is clear.

 

I sincerely hope you do, because you would not survive the legal system with your fucked up attitude.

 

Would that all people who have firearms at their disposal did, then this would never have happened.

 

Read that back to yourself. Then repost it in English.

[builder]

This old man should be a hero.

 

The little punk piece of shit was picking on an old man for five years (yes I do believe the word of an old man over that of some teenage sack of shit) The old man in question had enough so he blasted him. This man has a right to stand up to the little asswipe and doesn't need to put up with his shit.

 

Don't want to get shot then leave people the fuck alone.

 

I think Komrade has pretty much summed up why this kid is now dead.

[Lethalfind]

We speak English. You speak a derivative of the same. If you wanna fuck with a language, that's your perogative.

 

 

 

Who had the numbers? The old man was alone, and the boy was committing a crime in company. Get a grip Lethal.

 

 

 

Again, who was being menaced by a serial bully in company? Did the old geeza go looking for trouble? No. The young punk rounded up his mates and went on a harrassment campaign that backfired bigtime.

 

 

 

Again, the assailant was a headstrong intelligent serial harrasser, bouyed up by his past transgressions, and encouraged by the lack of several kicks to his boy arse. If he'd been pulled up before the fact, he would be alive today.

 

 

 

You're a trigger happy fucker Lethal. If you wanna read your own posts, that is how you portray yourself.

 

 

 

If I have ever abused my mod status, it's in the shoutbox. So bash that shit right up where the sun don't shine.

 

 

 

You would "probably fire a warning shot"?? Don't make me laugh. Retard. You're itching to put some hot lead into someone "deserving". Shall I drag up some of your posts to that effect?

 

 

 

Poor choice. You won't get off for shooting someone who has a cigarette lighter.

 

 

 

See above. And packs of bullies harrassing individuals in their homes are called home invaders. What would you do in the same situation? Take up knitting perhaps?

 

 

 

I sincerely hope you do, because you would not survive the legal system with your fucked up attitude.

 

 

 

Read that back to yourself. Then repost it in English.

 

I hope part of the reason for our disagreement is the difference in laws between our two countries, yes I am trigger happy when it comes to someone breaking into my home. As for shooting someone outside my home, that would be an extraordinary thing to do given all that can go wrong.

When I speak of someone setting my car on fire, I was referring to the recent problems in France, where people had also set other people on fire (therefore giving citizens the real concern that the criminals were likely to set them on fire as well as their cars.)

In spite of saying and meaning that I will shoot someone for breaking into my home, I would HATE to have to do this, even if the person was breaking in bent on harming myself and my daughter. I have spoken with people who have been forced to kill and its something they never forget. The fact the person made a choice kill or be killed does not mitigate the lasting problem for people.

As for my understanding of the legal system...I am very clear on what the laws are here, I have dicussed this with local police and of course lawyers so I would be aware of what the laws are, what my responsibilities are. That is the only responsible thing you can do when you own a gun. Anything less and your walking down a dangerous road...

 

As for this case...did you read where the boy walked across this mans property and 4 hours later while the boy was either in the street or in his own yard the old man shot him (that depends on which news account you believe)?? No matter what the boy had done I can't believe you think thats ok. The man had no reason to feel he was being threatened personally since the kid wasn't even in his yard when he shot him. Here in the US you can't claim self defence when you go out hunting someone like that. The boy had also not stolen anything from him and was only in the company of one other child, his 13 year old brother...You have fallen hook line and sinker for a story this old man has told in order to mitigate his actions...no matter how you feel, this man is going to jail and at his age, he won't live long enough to get out...That lawn he loves he will never see it again.

If this was my son, I would sue that old bastard and take whatever he had left.

[slip_knot]

Lethal,

If you go back over builders posts you will see why he has strong views on this subject. He has himself been baited by a gang of youths throwing stones at his house and car.

 

He has probably lost window panes, and has had his car paitwork damaged as well as the panels. Add to this trespass, and the verbal abuse that goes with remonstrating with these youths . Both he, his wife and children almost certainly have felt threatened . They have probably all been woken in the night by these dick-heads. He may even have been struck by flying stones.

 

It's all recent and very much in builders present, and he has not had the time necessary to calm down from the experience. He is still on the boil over this, and empathises completely with a fellow victim.

 

I am sure that in a few weeks builder will have mellowed his view.

 

I have to agree with builder that the boys parents should have kicked some sense into his thick spiteful arse long before it came to this, If they had, this kid wouldn't be dead now.

 

If anyone learns anything from this I hope it is the sort of people who enjoy baiting others.

 

For myself I regret the kids death, and also what is effectively the old guys death too. I can't see him living long enough to get out of jail.

[snafu]

I think Komrade has pretty much summed up why this kid is now dead.

I guess the way Komrade thinks we should be able to shot him and get away with it. He's being a anoying little kid.

[Lethalfind]

Lethal,

If you go back over builders posts you will see why he has strong views on this subject. He has himself been baited by a gang of youths throwing stones at his house and car.

 

He has probably lost window panes, and has had his car paitwork damaged as well as the panels. Add to this trespass, and the verbal abuse that goes with remonstrating with these youths . Both he, his wife and children almost certainly have felt threatened . They have probably all been woken in the night by these dick-heads. He may even have been struck by flying stones.

 

It's all recent and very much in builders present, and he has not had the time necessary to calm down from the experience. He is still on the boil over this, and empathises completely with a fellow victim.

 

I am sure that in a few weeks builder will have mellowed his view.

 

I have to agree with builder that the boys parents should have kicked some sense into his thick spiteful arse long before it came to this, If they had, this kid wouldn't be dead now.

 

If anyone learns anything from this I hope it is the sort of people who enjoy baiting others.

 

For myself I regret the kids death, and also what is effectively the old guys death too. I can't see him living long enough to get out of jail.

 

Builders misfortunes have nothing to do with this case, its unfortunate he can't seperate his own life and try and look at something COMPLETELY unrelated to him more objectively.

 

While I haven't been harassed, we do have a little ass hole in our neighborhood who is a problem, his parents are never around when the police need to talk to him etc. however this case is not about me and my experience...the details are completely different.

 

Too bad GF couldn't choose a MOD that was more objective and had enough self realization to know that NOT everything is about him...

 

I just read where this old bastard has been indicted (the local CBS affiliate didn't say what charge) but did say he could face a life sentence in this boys death.

 

I still have yet to read anything that backs up this old mans story that he was being harrassed, that it had been going on for 5 years, that they boy had gotten his family and friends to join in on the harassement. Legally, people walking across your lawn does not qualify as harassment in the US. I doubt his story because he didn't call the police and report what was going on. The old bastard will spend the rest of his life in jail and he is going to HATE it, no more lawn to obsess over...no one to boss around and bitch at because he is going to be someone's bitch...not the other way around.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

I guess the way Komrade thinks we should be able to shot him and get away with it. He's being a anoying little kid.

 

No snafu, I'm not going onto your property or threatening you or giving you any abuse in any way shape or form.

[slip_knot]

Lethal says:

Builders misfortunes have nothing to do with this case,

 

No, but they do explain his views. Everyone says things they don't really mean when they are angry.

 

In fact what life has taught me is to say and do nothing when I'm angry, because I will end up wishing I hadn't.

 

Just look at those folks smashing crockery, hitting each other, throwing stones, being rude to folks in here. They are all doing the wrong thing. Its because they are angry.

 

If you wait long enough, they will come to see that they were wrong. But theres no point pushing them to hurry up. They'll get there when they get there.

[slip_knot]

Can someone explain "the duty to retreat" . Is it as simple as it sounds? Is the state saying, if you get threatened just creep away, or it will all be your fault.

[Lethalfind]

Can someone explain "the duty to retreat" . Is it as simple as it sounds? Is the state saying, if you get threatened just creep away, or it will all be your fault.

 

I gather that in some states you are expected to run away rather then stand and fight under some circumstances...

In Florida if I am threatened outside my home, I am not expected to retreat anymore, I can take out my gun and shoot them if I reasonably felt threatened. I say that but I don't carry my gun around with me, it stays at home. If I were to have a job working at night or something that of course could change.

[eisanbt]

One; The old geeza put up with years of abuse that escalated in brazenness and threatening behaviour. If he was a trigger-happy, he would have snapped long before this you fucking arsehole.

 

This is of course if he actually put up with years of abuse which doesn’t seem to be the case.

 

Two. The footage was on the TV dickwad. How do I link to that?

 

You never said it was on TV and since you're in Australia, this being an American story, I assumed you read about it/ Saw the footage online. A valid assumption if you ask me.

 

Three. The man's "beaten down expression" indicates his regret that he had to take matters into his own hands. If the cops followed up on earlier reports, and the kids father had flogged the fuck out of the boy for being a cunt, he would still be walking and talking today.

 

On earlier reports of which there are no records of you mean? The dipshit kid who seems to have had no guff with anyone else in the neighbourhood or his family for that matter? You're not providing any evidence what so ever for you stance on the issue aside from what you feel is the truth, which isn’t terribly convincing.

 

And thank for enlightening me; I always thought that a beaten-down expression was one of somebody who was beaten down (Which ususally leaves the indivdual mentally unable to act in retribution) not that of one feeling regret, I'll keep it in mind for future reference.

 

So fuck you eisanbt. When you get some real-life experience under your belt, come and give us an opinion. Until then, don't walk on my lawn, fucker.

 

I feel I've experienced more life then most my age, but I guess only time will allow me to weigh that for certain. I know the beaten down scenario, hell I was one of the 'Geeks' through my early school years until I decided to put a stop to it. Regardless of my experience or its relevance or lack of I can still weigh the truth when presented with facts. I not seen anything that would lead me to your conclusion, if you can show me otherwise then by all means feel free.

[builder]

Eisanbt, your responses are the most mature in the thread. My hat's off to you, young man. I don't usually get hot-headed, but I know what it's like to be harrassed in your own home and the cops don't give a fuck about what's happening.

 

Lethal, we'll just have to wait and see what comes out in court. The footage I saw clearly showed blood on the lawn within ten feet of the front door. Was it ketchup perhaps??? And the dead kid's father encouraged the harrassment, so clear provocation may be the plea, and the father may be indicted for inciting the incident in the first place.

 

Slip_knot, thanks for the support. Gangs of youths are a problem world-wide. I'm all for letting the young fuckers know that they don't own the streets, and I will not be made to feel like a prisoner in my own home.

 

Komrade, I still think you're right. If you don't want a bullet, leave people the fuck alone. It's really that simple.

[Lethalfind]

Eisanbt, your responses are the most mature in the thread. My hat's off to you, young man. I don't usually get hot-headed, but I know what it's like to be harrassed in your own home and the cops don't give a fuck about what's happening.

 

Lethal, we'll just have to wait and see what comes out in court. The footage I saw clearly showed blood on the lawn within ten feet of the front door. Was it ketchup perhaps??? And the dead kid's father encouraged the harrassment, so clear provocation may be the plea, and the father may be indicted for inciting the incident in the first place.

 

Slip_knot, thanks for the support. Gangs of youths are a problem world-wide. I'm all for letting the young fuckers know that they don't own the streets, and I will not be made to feel like a prisoner in my own home.

 

Komrade, I still think you're right. If you don't want a bullet, leave people the fuck alone. It's really that simple.

 

If you have suffered harassment by teens such as was mentioned in this story, then why didn't you get out the old 12 gage and deal with the problem or could it be your just talkin out your ass !!!

 

You did say in this thread that in Austrailia, your home starts at the property line or something to that effect, my assumption is that the harassment you endured would have included them coming on to your property...

 

As for where this child was shot, I can only say the articles I have read pointed out that the boy walked across the old man's lawn, the old man yelled at him, 4 hours later when the boy was walking in the street (with is 13 year old brother), the man went after him and the old man himself said he is dead on his own property.

 

I can tell you the American legal system won't give a tinker's damn what kind of harassment this kid and his Father participated in, there was no imminent danger for the old man therefore he had no right to use lethal force against the boy...

 

My geuss about what will happen in this case is that the defence will call into question this old mans sanity...thats the only route they can go at this point. Either that or the old man has an identical twin who did it.

[builder]

If you have suffered harassment by teens such as was mentioned in this story, then why didn't you get out the old 12 gage and deal with the problem or could it be your just talkin out your ass !!!

 

Because I would prefer to use my fists, feet and forehead. Mess with me, and get what's coming to you. Guns are for tired old men, and scared women.

 

You did say in this thread that in Austrailia, your home starts at the property line or something to that effect, my assumption is that the harassment you endured would have included them coming on to your property...

 

I will add to what I said about Australian law, and say that we would simply thrash the fuck out of people that wanna bait us, and if daddy put the kid up to it, we would thrash the fuck out of daddy too. Any more questions?

 

As for where this child was shot, I can only say the articles I have read pointed out that the boy walked across the old man's lawn, the old man yelled at him, 4 hours later when the boy was walking in the street (with is 13 year old brother), the man went after him and the old man himself said he is dead on his own property.

 

You are grasping at straws. The kid was on a mission of harrrassment, okayed by dear old daddy. The courts will bring this out. Have patience.

 

I can tell you the American legal system won't give a tinker's damn what kind of harassment this kid and his Father participated in, there was no imminent danger for the old man therefore he had no right to use lethal force against the boy...

 

You will be proven wrong by your own legal system, as fucked up as it is, it will find provocation is the causality.

 

My geuss about what will happen in this case is that the defence will call into question this old mans sanity...thats the only route they can go at this point. Either that or the old man has an identical twin who did it.

 

Your guess is as meaningful to me as this hair I need to pluck from my nostril.

[Lethalfind]

Because I would prefer to use my fists, feet and forehead. Mess with me, and get what's coming to you. Guns are for tired old men, and scared women.

 

 

 

I will add to what I said about Australian law, and say that we would simply thrash the fuck out of people that wanna bait us, and if daddy put the kid up to it, we would thrash the fuck out of daddy too. Any more questions?

 

 

 

You are grasping at straws. The kid was on a mission of harrrassment, okayed by dear old daddy. The courts will bring this out. Have patience.

 

 

 

You will be proven wrong by your own legal system, as fucked up as it is, it will find provocation is the causality.

 

 

 

Your guess is as meaningful to me as this hair I need to pluck from my nostril.

 

The tone of your posts are pathetic to say the least...You talk BIG like your someone to be reckoned with, in the end you come off as someone trying to overcompensate...

 

You say I am grasping at straws...I am relying on the details in the press for information, that is not grasping at straws. Unlike you, I am not allowing my over emotional personal bullshit to govern my reason abilities in this case, I am looking at the details furnished pure and simple. You should try it sometimes rather then getting all freaked out because of ONE TV broadcast on the subject. I have read 10-12 different articles on this story...

 

Sit back and watch, you will see that I have a clearer idea of what goes on in the American legal system then you do...AND a further perdiction, you won't have the balls to admit your wrong when it happens like I perdicted...

 

You never did say, I understand you endured some similar harassment...did you use your fists??? Thrash someone? What did you do?? Sit inside and bitch and whine about it??

 

You talk big but in the end your a whiner...

[Lethalfind]

$2M bond in teen shooting

Slain student's family fears him

"BY SHARON COOLIDGE | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

The family of a 15-year-old Union Township boy who was shot to death Sunday is afraid of the suspect, who has in the past threatened their lives, prosecutors said at a bond hearing Thursday.

Clermont County Common Pleas Judge Jerry McBride set bond at $2 million for 66-year-old Charles Martin, who is accused of killing Larry Mugrage.

After a Clermont County public defender requested bond on the aggravated murder charge, Assistant Clermont County Prosecutor Darrell Hawkins suggested the high dollar amount, saying Martin is dangerous.

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"(Mugrage's) family is fearful for their lives," Hawkins said. "He has made threats to their lives before.

"Obviously, in this stage of his life he is a threat to society," Hawkins said.

Shackled in arm and leg restraints, Martin said nothing, but Assistant Public Defender Gretta Herberth said Martin realizes the aggravated murder charge pending against him is "very, very serious."

Herberth said that Martin, a retired Ford worker, has a son living in the area and no prior criminal record.

Larry and Anita Mugrage, the victim's parents, declined to talk about Martin during an interview Wednesday night.

An arraignment in which Martin will answer the charges was postponed one week.

Mugrage, a freshman at Glen Este High School, was on his way to his Hawthorne Drive home from a neighbor's house to get a video game when Martin started shooting.

Police said Martin fired twice at Mugrage with a .410 gauge shotgun. Mugrage was hit in the back.

With the victim dying on the ground, Martin called 911. "I just killed a kid," he calmly told the operator."

 

I think the amount of this ass holes bond is an indication of how seriously the court is taking this shooting.

[builder]

More piss in the wind.

 

Make sure you are facing downwind Lethal, or your legs are gonna get wet.

[angie]

More piss in the wind.

 

Make sure you are facing downwind Lethal, or your legs are gonna get wet.

I cannot believe how far up your ass your head is stuck right now. Harrassment does not equal justification for murder. Was he being threatened? NO. There was NO imminent danger, therefore he had NO RIGHT to shoot this boy. To be honest, I think the "he and his family have been harassing me" line is a bunch of horse manuer. There has been no mention of it by anyone except for Charles Martin, who is just looking for a lame ass excuse for his poor choice.

http://www.news-herald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16365858&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21849&rfi=6

The Mugrage's next-door neighbor, 66-year-old Charles Martin, had confronted the youth about being on his lawn, police said, and Martin told officers he had several disputes with neighbors over walking on his grass.

Mugrage apparently walked across Martin's yard on his way to a friend's house and got into a verbal exchange with him, Union Township police Lt. Scott Gaviglia said Thursday.

"As Mugrage was walking back home a few hours later, Martin saw him and brought the shotgun out," Gaviglia said. Mugrage was shot while standing in the middle of the street in front of Martin's house, with the first round grazing his chest area and the second round hitting him in the side and back, he said.

 

Yeah. I'm sure he was sooooo afraid for his life. With the kid walking in the middle of the street and all.

You would make a horrible judge. You can't keep your personal expirience out of it. Your expirience has no bearing on this case. They are completely unrelated and different. Until you see that, you will continue to sound like an ignoramus.