Guest sandman Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of office. " If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be moving to Chicago." (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) Quote
Guest Me Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:15:02 -0700, "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote: >".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of >the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer >projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the >entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five >years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections >indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a >neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most >of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the >commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. >For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental >agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept >very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of >office. " > >If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea >level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes >ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be >moving to Chicago." > > > >(Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) > You know, Greenland used to be ice-free. The icecap is only a recent feature (in terms of geological time). Sounds to me like the earth is returning back to normal. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Quote
Guest Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net... > ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of > the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any > computer projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree > that the entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) > within five years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious > projections indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea > levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent > flooding of most of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive > destruction to the commercial infastructure that will have devastating > financial consequences. For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed > by any governmental agency and public discussion in any of the major media > outlets has been kept very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen > before they are out of office. " > > If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea > level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes > ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be > moving to Chicago." > > > > (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) > > Oh my God! When the Vikings in 800 to 1300 AD were farming Greenland and the North American Artic land where there are Glacers today, it was warmer then than now, and that means there was less ice caps then than now. So how did these so called scientists drill into 600 thousand years of Ice that did not exist? The Global Cooling killed off the Viking Conquest of North America, it is about time the climate got back to normal. What is crazy after the Global Cooling many People think they are good Samaritans, and don't even know what it meant to be a Samaritan, and what else is crazy about it, George Washington wanted thirteen Stars of David on the flag to represent the thirteen Colonies, that represented the thirteen tribes of Israel. But Modern Jews and Christians forgot how to count to thirteen, and falsely say there was only twelve tribes equal to the twelve Apostles. Joseph had two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, so that any tribe not numbered among the twelve tribes was called the shepherd stone. Moses led with the tribe of Levi not numbered among the twelve Jesus as the Chief Apostle of Judah led not numbered among the twelve Apostles. Ephraim as the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, leads not numbered among the twelve. Dan leads not numbered among the twelve in revelations. Benjamin the fellowheir was given unto Judah as the South Kingdom called Judaea with Jerusalem as their capital. Ephraim was given ten tribes as the North Kingdom called Israel with Samaria as their capital. Those of the South Kingdom of Judaea were called Jews. Those of the North Kingdom of Israel were called Samaritans. The Kingdom was restored unto Jeudea, but not Israel. Acts 1 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, you have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Behold O Samaritans, O Israel, this day the Kingdom is restored unto Israel from above. The mount of Edom being Esau will destroy the children of Judah like as foretold by the Prophet Obadiah. The house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Joseph a flame. Like Hitler, Bush is the Nazi Pope's puppet, the Pope praised him on his immigration stance, the Pope praised him on attacking Iraq, the Pope praised him on not withdrawing from Iraq, the Pope praised him on promoting the lie of Global warming being manmade, the Pope praised him on his G-8 accomplishments, the Pope praised him on keeping Africa on handouts instead of letting them develop so that they could get water and food for themselves, did you not know that the Pope John Paul the 2nd's 300,000 people in Iraq knew that there was no WMD there since 1993, but they passed on the lie about WMD to draw us into the War? Did you know that some of the associates of both Popes are funding all the different sides of the Middle East conflict, even in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran, and is stirring them up against one another so that his enemies will destroy each other? Did you know that the new Pope is helping to overthrow Russia's Government? Did you know the new Pope is urging the UN to set up a Global Communist Government? Did you know that the new Pope is intentionally promoting the lie about Global Warming being manmade? False Teachers say the scriptures teach that the covering is an actual physical covering and not Spirit Jehovah as their personal consoler and authority, or the covering of the authority of a man, and false teachers say a woman cannot teach even if she is under the authority of a man. 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, says Jehovah, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: 1 Corinthians 11 1 Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman that praying or prophesying with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of Godship: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. 17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that you come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. The marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism produces the Corporate Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, and is getting God and his followers falsely blamed for it. To be able to understand how the marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism is a marriage of false Religious beliefs and false Scientific theories, that result in producing the Corporate Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, some research to find the original meanings of a few words and phrases, by Etymology, will be necessary. Because the plural Hebrew word Elohim was mistranslated as a singular "God," too many people do not realize that to walk with Jehovah and to walk with Elohim often mean walking with Jehovah by way of his Angels as messengers, but walking with Elohim can also mean walking with evil Spirits against Spirit Jehovah. "And said Elohim, man has become like one of US to know good and evil." When walking with either Spirit Jehovah and his good Angel Spirits, or walking with the Spirit Devil and his evil devil Spirits, that is Spiritualism, and is contrary to walking by Intellectualism, which is called walking by the flesh, because the carnal knowledge is manufactured by man's mind, and was not given to man by Spirit. Men and Women who get their Spiritual knowledge from either good or evil Elohim are called sons of Elohim, and Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, are called daughters of men. When Men and Women who get their Spiritual knowledge from evil Elohim, and are called sons of Elohim, marry their Spiritual knowledge with the carnal knowledge of Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, the results of the marriage produces Nephilim called Giants, or Corporate Giants, and their followers are congregations as offspring, that use deception and cause violence to spread across the face of the earth like in the days of Noah. Genesis 6 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And saw Jehovah that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented Jehovah that he had formed man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And said Jehovah, I will destroy man whom I have finished from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for I repent that I have formed them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with Elohim. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And Elohim looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And Elohim said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. What is your Duty in service to God? What is your Duty in service to your Country? Is it to tell lies so you can help starve innocent people to death, so you can be made comfortable by the Coal and Oil you help them steal? Just like the Oil for Food program, all the Food and Aid programs set up by the UN are not feeding the poor well enough, they are being ripped off and starved to death. They do not help the Africans develop infrastructure so they can get water and food to feed themselves. They only give them handouts and keep them from developing to save the Coal and Oil for themselves. When I was in Europe, in the US Army as a Nuclear Biological and Chemical Warfare Instructor, and the Soviets were looking for a way to control the weather as a weapon, and they found it to be impossible for man to control the weather. I was in the US Army from 1976-1982, Margaret Thatcher invented the lie about Global Warming being manmade, so that she could try to get the leftwing environmentalists to support the use of Nuclear power, and for them to not own up to the truth, and use it as an excuse to keep undeveloped Countries from developing so that they can steal their Coal and Oil, is a conspiracy and Global Hoax, and they are pulling it off right in front of your eyes. Since Margaret Thatcher a whole community of Scientists dependant on Government Grants for their research, has been getting grants as long as they will support Margaret Thatcher's lies. Now that you have an eye witness telling you the truth about what is going on, are you going to help stop them from starving people to death in Africa so that they can get the Coal and Oil, like they did in Iraq before the Iraq War? Ephesians 2 1 And you has he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, (by grace you are saved;) 6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. "Some dumb guy" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message news:g1Fai.14412$rO7.9356@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > Laura Bush wore a black veil to see the Pope. How will all the right wing > fundie wackos who criticized Nancy Pelosi for wearing a headscarf in Syria > react to this? > > > > "The first lady later wore a black suit and a veil covering her head for > the private audience with the pope." > > http://www.charlotte.com/121/story/153627.html How will the Jews react to their leader Bush, going to witches and warlocks like the witch of Endor who deceived their leaders Saul, and got Saul and his son, and many in Israel killed by the false prophecy from them who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils to imitate the dead? With the doctrine of Limbo, Catholics were deceived by witches and warlocks who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils to imitate the dead. For unlike Peter who said David is dead, and his soul and body remains in the grave with us unto this day, the deceivers said those before Jesus remain in the graves in Limbo, but after Jesus their soul goes straight to heaven, which is a lie, for even the new testament records the first resurrection of the just, and the second resurrection of the unjust, and says that because there is no consciousness or awareness of time in the grave, it will seem like a moment of the twinkling of an eye, even though we may be in the grave ten thousand years before Jesus returns and resurrects us. But they falsely say that the dead go straight to heaven and will help the rest get there. "You are Gods, sons of the Most High!" But they strip the name Gods off the believers, so they may falsely say that they do not pray to and worship and serve other Gods. The Catholics, the Evangelicals, some of the Jews, and the Muslims, all believe the lie against the truth, and deny the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the unjust, because saying their souls go straight to heaven upon death, is saying the resurrection is past already. 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. The reason that they cannot get the story of Global Warming straight now, is because for thousands of years by lies people have deliberately destroyed both the foundational principles of true Science, and the foundational principle of true Religion. The target now is true Christianity, so the Communists polarize an issue with multiple wrong sides to choose from, false Scientists and false Christians, and they will not let anyone who knows what is going on reveal the truth in the medias, only the two wrong sides have been permitted to speak against each other in the medias for a long time to brainwash the public. So since both the Scientific and the Religious nuts that they pitted one against the other, constantly overlook the natural facts and make up myths and superstitions to supersede the truth and contradict one another, it really don't matter which lie you teach the children, either way when it comes to how the earth and the moon and dinosaurs and man came about, the children will be blind bigoted illiterates when it comes to both Scientific and Religious matters on those subjects. Neither of them can understand that the natural facts and the scriptures point to the earth having been much bigger, with a greater gravitational pull until an enemy of God, in rebellion with one third of his angels caused earth to blow up and form the moon, while killing all life upon earth a little over 6000 years ago. The words mistranslated as "Jupiter," one originally "Zeus" originally meant, "the great father helped," and was in reference to the larger earth that blew up and produced this one, but the religious nuts say that Zeus was the Geek God, and the science nuts say it was the Romans Jupiter. And the other word mistranslated Jupiter is "diapetes," which originally meant "a fallen stone," this is what they called meteorites, but the religious say it was an object from heaven that the pagans worshipped. But in fact the one in Ephesus was known by the Greeks and the Romans to be a piece of the original earth that blew up, and finally fell back to earth like the multitude of fire and brimstone that often fell back to earth much later after it blew up. Paul warned Timothy about the opposition of science falsely so called, and both sides have been spinning lies against each other since before then. Our testamony that we received from above, not from a man, went out through the earth, who has believed our report? Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing some real honest and interesting and exciting research without deliberately fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it and why, and what you think is wrong with it, and why. Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for clues, and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides of the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and some things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly tell me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it appears neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the third, and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and refine this overall view. According to all the NASA research, although they say about seven which could be, but say just over six thousand years ago a drastic natural change in Earth's climate occurred that took Earth from emerging from a strong Ice age, to a near vertical climb up to where Global temperature has been for all practical purposes, nearly level for the past just over six thousand years. How old was earth before then? I don't know, and none of these scientists or religious people seem to have an accurate scientific dating system, or an accurate recorded record, and each one varies as much as a 100 million years for the same rock, or the same piece of ice. But there is an obvious and recorded sound scientific reason for that drastic climate change from an ice age to where it is now, which NASA should have seen, but either just has not looked for it, or they can't believe what they see. Those craters on the Moon, how and when did they get there? You may be able to determine exactly how old the elements are on both the Earth and the Moon are, which according to every time I have seen, they are the exact same age, but how do you determine when those craters were made? Lets say for now, just a little over six thousand years ago, and I will show you why I believe that. Although some of their theories dream up the Idea that the Moon formed after breaking off the Earth, they cannot tell when that happened, and whether that is how it first formed, I am not sure if the Moon completely formed that way all at once, but if it happened just a little over six thousand years ago, that would make the elements of the Earth and the Moon still the same age even if they separated then. But for a long time before six thousand years ago, Earth's atmosphere was much more dense, and vegetation and sea creatures were much more abundant, why? Probably because of a greater gravitational pull by Earth, because if Earth had the matter that made the Moon or parts of it, Earth would have had a much greater mass than now, and a greater gravitational pull than now, and the atmosphere would be denser, so much denser it could block out so much sunlight, that nearly one third of the Earth was covered by glaciers like the evidence of the ice ages indicates. Then just a little over six thousand years ago, Earth blew up with such a massive explosion, massive fragments of the Earth made those craters on what is now our Moon, and may have even formed the Moon completely then, as other massive fragments of Earth and some water fell back into the waters on what was left of Earth. The impact was great enough on the Moon that it is to this day drifting just a little further from Earth each year, and the explosion had left pools of water and Earth fragments in a slow decaying orbit about Earth, and traces of water on the Moon, and there may even be traces of life that perished from Earth, carried by the fragments and left on the Moon by this. This water in orbit of Earth was above the firmament, and the waters below the firmament gathered together to form seas, as the dry land appeared. After the explosion just over six thousand years ago, every living thing on the Earth perished, and the smaller Earth left, had a less gravity, and less dense atmosphere, and less water. And the new plants and new sea creatures and the new animals and new man were all made with no evolutionary link between any of the former life forms that perished when Earth exploded. And from Adam on they lived 1665 years building stone and metal cities across the earth until the pools of water and Earth fragments began to fall from above the firmament, as the slow decaying orbit caused the Flood of Noah. When the waters receded off the land, all the land of Earth was one Continent for a little over a hundred years as man began to build populate new stone and metal cities, and when the Continents divided, possibly caused by slower larger decaying fragments of Earth, which the impact may have caused the continental divide dividing the new cities mostly between the two major east and west Continents, which resulted in the stone building cultures of Egypt and central America, as other smaller continents formed with few inhabitants while many of the old cities built before the flood sank into the oceans, and this caused the more than 600 stories about 4,200 years ago in different cultures that developed from the separated people that survived the continents dividing, and since then continental drift has been minor. Some slower larger decaying fragments of earth may have caused the smaller continental divides too, and some slower decaying fragments may have even destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Now there are plenty of records of these old stone and metal cities being found under water, and though most people try to say they are around 6000 to 10,000 tears old, I believe all of them were began after Adam began 6000 years ago, when Adam's genealogy began, and many of them ancient cities were build before the flood, but though some sank immediately because of the flood, many actually sank a little later like described above, 4,200 years ago, and as Earth's new crust settled, many later individual cities also sank at various times. "Anthropology" comes from a Greek word "Anthropos," meaning "Manlike," not"Mankind" or "Man," and though mistranslated into English as "Man," it is used to refer to both Mankind and Angels together, even though that they arenot of the same species of life. According as it is written, "When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you had ordained, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visits him? For you had made him a little lower than the angels, and had crowned him with glory and honor. You made him to have dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet." Here is more of the presented evidence that just proves the scriptures are telling the truth, and that Evolution is Pure Crap, and so is what most of these Scientists and Religious People are saying, because they are not saying what the scriptures truly say. http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestHumanSkull.JPG http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/ManasOldasCoal.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Discoveries.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MoreFossils.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/HumanBrain.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/TestResults.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestTool.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Scorpion.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-013F.JPG http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-022S.JPG Manlike remains being buried that deep in layers of Coal, just proves the scriptures true,wherein it says that the old earth blew up, and came back down into the waters, killing all the manlike creatures and all the plants and animals upon the earth that was, before the Creator reformed this heavens and earth, and created the current plants and animals with no evolutionary link to those that perished, as he Created Adam with no evolutionary link to those manlike that perished, before he created and told Adam to replenish the earth. What the Scientists and Religious People miss altogether is that in Genesis 1, it was mistranslated into Latin, and then into other languages because of the Latin mistranslation. It originally said, "Within the chief woman's fruit finished Godship associate the heavens and associate the earth, and the earth class invisibleness and untenanted and darkness surface the wakes, and Spirit God from the brood surface the waters, and said Godship birth light, and birth light, and saw Godship associate the light the related good, and divided Godship among between the light, and among between the darkness, and called Godship the light day, and the darkness called night, and birth evening and birth morning day first." All the Godship in verse one was killed leaving but the Spirit of God in verse 2, and he resurrected them as they rose saying birth light, and those that did birth light became angels of light, and those that did not birth light became angels of darkness, for Lucifer's name meant light bearer, but when he rose against the Most High, he became the murder from the beginning as all perished in his attempted overthrow of the Most High, and these are but shadows of prophecy of the end, as the resurrection of the light foretells of the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the darkness foretells of the resurrection of the unjust, when with the sound of rushing mighty wind, the heavens and earth burst into a flame of fire, melting even the elements thereof. But all the scientists and all these Creationalist Christians all cast off that the former heaven and earth perished, and that this one was formed upon the debris, so that there is no evolutionary link to the life forms that all perished on the former earth, and those that were created in the days of Adam when was told to replenish the new earth. Our earth's center core is solid with a molten layer around it, some say it is mostly Nickel with a lot of Iron that give earth it's magnetic field. But the core and the molten layer is in reality a mix of all the Natural Isotopes that the molten layer is constantly sorting out. If you read some of my posts, I mentioned how star and planets blow up in nature, because of the molten elements around a solid core. The centrifuge effect caused by the planet's or star's rotation on and axis, and the gravitational pull can separate out layers of Isotopes in the molten elements around the solid core, sometimes as radioactive Isotope layers build up, the chain reaction occurs slow enough to just make the molten layer hotter, other times the radioactive Isotope layers build up so fast, it causes a super nova, or an exploding planet like what you see left in the van halen asteroid belt, and like when the devil caused the earth and planets and the stars to blow up before as he became the murderer from the beginning. "That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness." 2 Peter 3:2-13 Before plants and animals grew in abundance and lived and died and began making Tar, Coal, and Oil, and when the earth blew up killing the remainder of them, it buried all the former plants and animals, and that is where we got a lot of our Coal and Oil. The Communists were Atheists making a show of supporting the free exercise of Religious faith, while substituting Government secular law as if it were Religious principle, that outlawed the free exercise of Religious faith. Like in the days of Noah, the Most High God of heaven and Earth has warned the whole Earth of a Global Climate change that the Devil as the unbelievers' God shall bring upon the Earth, to deceive and kill all who believe not the love and the truth revealed by the Most High God, so that they might be saved from the perils yet to come pass. But instead of preparing multiple waters sources to save crops, cattle, and people, they divert the recourses for their own financial gains, while building massive water reservoirs, where each reservoir, waters a massive population that will be endangered if and when a local flood washes poisons into their local reservoir, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to be come sick and or die, and or if and when a local drought comes their local reservoir will run short of water, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to thirsts to death, so that they may come and take their lands and possessions for themselves. The Hebrew word "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," in Hosea, comes from the Hebrew word "Yada," which is mistranslated as "knew from Yada," but is rightfully used as "acquainted" in, "Adam acquainted his wife again, and she bare a son," and "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," is rightfully used as "acquaintance," in Hosea. Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of acquaintance, because you have rejected my acquaintance, I will also reject you, so that you shall become no priest to me, seeing you have forgotten the personal directions from your God, I will also forget your children." They do not understand that following their own political and scientific and religious doctrines whereby they measure right from wrong, and reprove and approve and or condemn one another, are lies that corrupts and blinds their hearts from being acquainted with Jehovah, and when they become unacquainted with Jehovah, then they and their wives and children begin to heed more and more deceitful lies and begin to commit adultery, it is not the adultery that separates them from Jehovah, it is their being unacquainted with him by heeding their doctrines that causes the adultery and eventually homosexuality and endless debates and endless multitudes of deceitful doctrines that results in fraud and thefts and starvations and murders of the innocent whom they falsely claim that they are exercising justice upon. Jehovah does not speak condemnation to destroy them, but in love with all mankind he reveals the truth to try to turn both the wicked and the righteous continuously back to him so that they will not perish if they hearken unto him, and only those too stubborn to turn at his loving reproof, drive on until they bring upon themselves their own self-destruction. Ezekiel 3:16-21 "And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, Son of man, I have made you a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, you shall surely die; and you give him not the warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because you have not given him the warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he had done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also you have delivered your soul." Like as written, "there shall be famine and droughts in diverse places," and again it is written, "there shall be tempests and earthquakes in diverse places," but the deceivers will falsely claim that the Most High God is sending these perils upon mankind as punishment for their sins, so that they may justify themselves for not giving financial or physical aid to them that the Devil as their deceiving God is destroying, so that they may take their possessions after their destruction, for they are alike the thief who comes not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy, while they acquainted with the Most high God, are come so that those that believe the truth from him may live and live life more abundantly. For those who have become unacquainted with him and his truth, are they who have fallen away from the truth, and being disobedient to the truth, the Devil as their God of the World, sends them strong delusion, so that they will believe the lie, so that they all may be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. For with the Devil as their head, they are like one man of iniquity that follows him and his multitude of lies designed to cause confusion, as his greedy followers dare to even do his evil works in the names of the Most High God. They scream, "believe God's only begotten son," not even knowing the truth that the word "only" is mistranslated, because as it is written, "behold what manner of love that the father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God," and again according as it is written, "He came unto his own, and his own received him not, but as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name, which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Being born again from above God has more than one begotten son. But Jesus as his Seed, which the word "Seed" is translated from the Greek word "sperma" from which we get the English word "sperm." Jesus is our Creator's sperm uniquely begotten in a virgin who was from the loins of David, so that she being from the loins of Judah, would bring forth as the promised Salvation from the loins of Judah. And all that personally believe our omnipresent Creator being acquainted with him, and receive his non omnipresent uniquely begotten son as his promised Salvation from the loins Judah, as the inheritance of the promised heir by birthright of the house of Israel from the loins of Joseph, and as the commonwealth of all Israel, he gives them the authority to become sons of God. For he says in Psalms, "You are Gods, sons of the Most High." And his uniquely begotten son says in John, "for he if he called them Gods unto whom the word of God came, the scriptures cannot be broken." But the unbelievers strip the name Gods off the sons of God, and some even falsely call them false prophets whom the word of God never came to, Gods, just because they quote scriptures in order to deceive. But mostly they strip the name Gods off the true believers so that they may falsely accuse them of claiming to be God, as they oppose and exalt themselves upon all that they persecute and kill, whom are the true believers called Gods, that the deceivers persecute and kill in the name of the Most High God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 was deliberately mistranslated so that they may lie, and oppose and exalt themselves upon all that is called God, or worships. Here I give a more accurate translation of the ancient Greek and Aramaic. "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Adown Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself upon all that is called God, or worships, likening him unto the temple of Godship alike God sits, revealing himself related exists God. Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity does already work, only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Adown shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause their God shall send them strong delusion, so that they should believe a lie, so that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Adown, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth." Jeremiah 2:11-14 "Has a nation changed their Gods, which are yet not Gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit. Be astonished, O you heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be you very desolate, says Jehovah, for my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water, is Israel a servant? Is he a homeborn slave? Why is he spoiled?" These Jewish and Christian end time nuts that claim that they have to starve and or kill people, and take the so called Holy Land for Israel because they have to rebuild the Temple of Solomon before the Messiah can come or return, they are the antichrists that deceived the whole world, and will destroy anyone's credit, and not let anyone they disapprove of, buy and or sell, as they make manmade famines to starve people to death, and they make War commanding fire to fall from heaven in the sight of all men, at will, and the mark of the beast, 666, means that they do these works by their our soul's imagination, as with their lips they profess God, but they are not acquainted with him and do none of his works, and they kill the living temple of God caught between them in all of their deliberately confusing conflicts built upon lies. For the Creator laid his uniquely begotten son as the foundation stone of the new Temple, as the new covenant, and they cannot tell the difference between the Creator and his son, and they cannot tell that the most high does not dwell in Temples made by hands, for them acquainted with the omnipresent Creator believe his voice, and they receive his non-omnipresent son as the promised Salvation, and they become living stones of the true holy Temple wherein the most high dwells. But those deceivers build temples with their hands and worship the works of their hands, as they persecute and kill the living temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3:16 -17 "Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." How shall they know what time it is for anything done under the sun if they are not acquainted with the Spirit of God our Creator? For his son's return is not known by the son nor the angels of God, but is known by the father alone. Who can interpret dreams and visions by the Spirit within due time and season? Is it Plagiarism of another man's works, since it is just a few quoted verses, or is it God-breathed by Spirit within due time and season? Yep, you will be the judge, and if my words are God-breathed by Spirit within due time and season, within the due time and season of that last day, my word will be the judge of you, whether you be good or evil, and if I have spoken presumptuously, in that last day your words may be the judge of me! "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." "A time to scatter, and a time to gather." When I was in King's County, Seattle Washington, I was yet homeless, so I bought a van from the Taproot Theater, and I made my bed there, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and behold earth was no more, and heaven was open, and the Son of David appeared within the cloud, standing with a clean shaven face, having longer than shoulder length hair, wearing a one piece white robe, standing head and shoulders above Joseph, holding Joseph about the waist with his two arms crossed about the midst of Joseph's back, holding him with Joseph's face and his two arms hidden, as Joseph rest his bald head upon the breast of the Son of David, standing with his two legs hidden behind Joseph's two legs and two feet that hung below the cloud, and Joseph was dressed in a two part garment, a blue shirt that covered his trunk, and blue pants that covered his hind parts down unto his two white tennis shoes. And when I saw the vision, I cried out, "Ok, where is God?" When all of a sudden I realized that it was I that Jesus was holding within the vision, as I rest my head and hid my face upon his breast, and I found myself within the vision within invisibleness in all directions, and then I realized, God can be seen by nobody at any time, and within him within every time we all dwell, and within every time the Word which became flesh within due time and season, is always revealed within the bosom of the Father, and they declare one the other. And then I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the Father of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought from the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and there appeared a great field of well kept grass, and the Spirit laid me upon the grass of Ephraim, and I looked unto the south, and there was a well built red barn with white trim, and behold the barn leaned southward ready to fall, and I cried out, "I am a carpenter, I can raise it up again!" And the Spirit caught me up and carried me northward and laid me upon the grass the grass of Ephraim, next to a rock wall that enclosed the grass field, with a great grove of trees within the midst, and amidst the grove of trees there was a well built rock farmhouse, and when I saw it, I cried out, "Maybe I should redeem it for my own!" When the Spirit picked me up and carried me straight through the wall of the rock farmhouse, and when inside the women with long hair that were bent over searching their baggage, stopped searching and stood up next to their baggage, and they all looked up at me expecting to receive something. Hear O Israel, within my body as cup, the Father has always been there, and he sent his Son within as my cup, my silver cup whereby I drink and divine, Says Jehovah of hosts. "Open your mouths wide and breath in, and I will fill it, and there will be no strange God within you, I am Jehovah that delivered Israel from the land of Egypt." And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the Redeemer of Israel, Jehovah of hosts whom Redeemed us all by the blood of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought from the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke within a vision as the Spirit laid me upon the sand of the holy hill Zion, and to the south standing upon the sand, the right bare foot and leg of the Angel that stood so tall that is all I could see of him, and to the north where his left leg should be, there grew up out of the sand a great thorn bush that grew so tall I could not see the top, and when I looked at the trunk, a great scroll rolled out of the trunk of the thorn bush, and when I leaned to look into the scroll, the thorn bush and the scroll burst into flames but burned not, and the flames entered my face and caused it to shine. And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within Jehovah whom reveled the thorn bush of Moses, and the Angel that dwelt within it for Joseph, the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, for he has revealed the holy hill Zion to the heir by birthright within his due time and season, to restore the Kingdom unto Israel, and reconcile all unto Jehovah, by the King of the house of David, unto whom was given the tribe of Benjamin our Fellowheir, unto whom the Gentiles were given as Fellowheirs. I entered the house to hear the word of Jehovah, and I sat next to the east wall, and when I heard of David hiding within the woods as the minister stood up yelling, "who can tell when Joseph will rise up?" As the window of heaven open, and the house became filled with the darkness of the night, and there appeared a great field within amidst the darkness of the night, and amidst the field appeared a huddle of five men all dressed the same, all wearing black sackcloth under their skin, all bent down working upon the same thing, and suddenly there blew down out of the north a great whirling wind, with whirling two edged tongues that swill down upon them, as Joseph began to rise up over them eating hand to mouth cleaning and shaving his face, as the four men rose up and began to scatter southward like drunken men, as the great whirling wind chased them with no place to hide within all the earth, as they weep and howled for the misery that came upon them, and one of them came running up to me weeping and howling as their name, Belial, appeared within his fore head, and Joseph in the vision began to turn his back upon the and first turned westward and stood upon his two feet, and then he turned northward and walked up north and stood in fear and tremble looking up northward as a two edged tail of the great whirling wind swirl about the crown of his bald head, and began filling him on the inside from the crown of his bald head down unto his feet, until he was the fullest filled. Like Joseph saw himself within the visions, so did I, and Jehovah and the Lord Jesus are about to bring this one to pass. The men of Belial are religious people that are not acquainted with Jehovah or his Son Jesus. If they would have dad an earth-asteroid collision defense system set up by these incompetent greedy fools among the democrats and republicans and UN, humanity in all probability would not have survived. Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing some real honest and interesting and exciting research without deliberately fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it, and why, and what you think is wrong with it, and why. Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for clues, and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides of the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and some things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly tell me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it appears neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the third, and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and refine this overall view. I am just sharing a little of what I know about it, to see where each of you will try to go with it, for a lot of you i believe I that already know where that will be. In service of God and Country Joseph Quote
Guest Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net... > ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of > the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any > computer projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree > that the entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) > within five years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious > projections indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea > levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent > flooding of most of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive > destruction to the commercial infastructure that will have devastating > financial consequences. For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed > by any governmental agency and public discussion in any of the major media > outlets has been kept very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen > before they are out of office. " > > If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea > level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes > ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be > moving to Chicago." > > > > (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) > > Oh my God! When the Vikings in 800 to 1300 AD were farming Greenland and the North American Artic land where there are Glacers today, it was warmer then than now, and that means there was less ice caps then than now. So how did these so called scientists drill into 600 thousand years of Ice that did not exist? The Global Cooling killed off the Viking Conquest of North America, it is about time the climate got back to normal. What is crazy after the Global Cooling many People think they are good Samaritans, and don't even know what it meant to be a Samaritan, and what else is crazy about it, George Washington wanted thirteen Stars of David on the flag to represent the thirteen Colonies, that represented the thirteen tribes of Israel. But Modern Jews and Christians forgot how to count to thirteen, and falsely say there was only twelve tribes equal to the twelve Apostles. Joseph had two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, so that any tribe not numbered among the twelve tribes was called the shepherd stone. Moses led with the tribe of Levi not numbered among the twelve Jesus as the Chief Apostle of Judah led not numbered among the twelve Apostles. Ephraim as the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, leads not numbered among the twelve. Dan leads not numbered among the twelve in revelations. Benjamin the fellowheir was given unto Judah as the South Kingdom called Judaea with Jerusalem as their capital. Ephraim was given ten tribes as the North Kingdom called Israel with Samaria as their capital. Those of the South Kingdom of Judaea were called Jews. Those of the North Kingdom of Israel were called Samaritans. The Kingdom was restored unto Jeudea, but not Israel. Acts 1 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, you have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Behold O Samaritans, O Israel, this day the Kingdom is restored unto Israel from above. The mount of Edom being Esau will destroy the children of Judah like as foretold by the Prophet Obadiah. The house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Joseph a flame. Like Hitler, Bush is the Nazi Pope's puppet, the Pope praised him on his immigration stance, the Pope praised him on attacking Iraq, the Pope praised him on not withdrawing from Iraq, the Pope praised him on promoting the lie of Global warming being manmade, the Pope praised him on his G-8 accomplishments, the Pope praised him on keeping Africa on handouts instead of letting them develop so that they could get water and food for themselves, did you not know that the Pope John Paul the 2nd's 300,000 people in Iraq knew that there was no WMD there since 1993, but they passed on the lie about WMD to draw us into the War? Did you know that some of the associates of both Popes are funding all the different sides of the Middle East conflict, even in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran, and is stirring them up against one another so that his enemies will destroy each other? Did you know that the new Pope is helping to overthrow Russia's Government? Did you know the new Pope is urging the UN to set up a Global Communist Government? Did you know that the new Pope is intentionally promoting the lie about Global Warming being manmade? False Teachers say the scriptures teach that the covering is an actual physical covering and not Spirit Jehovah as their personal consoler and authority, or the covering of the authority of a man, and false teachers say a woman cannot teach even if she is under the authority of a man. 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, says Jehovah, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: 1 Corinthians 11 1 Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman that praying or prophesying with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of Godship: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. 17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that you come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. The marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism produces the Corporate Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, and is getting God and his followers falsely blamed for it. To be able to understand how the marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism is a marriage of false Religious beliefs and false Scientific theories, that result in producing the Corporate Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, some research to find the original meanings of a few words and phrases, by Etymology, will be necessary. Because the plural Hebrew word Elohim was mistranslated as a singular "God," too many people do not realize that to walk with Jehovah and to walk with Elohim often mean walking with Jehovah by way of his Angels as messengers, but walking with Elohim can also mean walking with evil Spirits against Spirit Jehovah. "And said Elohim, man has become like one of US to know good and evil." When walking with either Spirit Jehovah and his good Angel Spirits, or walking with the Spirit Devil and his evil devil Spirits, that is Spiritualism, and is contrary to walking by Intellectualism, which is called walking by the flesh, because the carnal knowledge is manufactured by man's mind, and was not given to man by Spirit. Men and Women who get their Spiritual knowledge from either good or evil Elohim are called sons of Elohim, and Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, are called daughters of men. When Men and Women who get their Spiritual knowledge from evil Elohim, and are called sons of Elohim, marry their Spiritual knowledge with the carnal knowledge of Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, the results of the marriage produces Nephilim called Giants, or Corporate Giants, and their followers are congregations as offspring, that use deception and cause violence to spread across the face of the earth like in the days of Noah. Genesis 6 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And saw Jehovah that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented Jehovah that he had formed man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And said Jehovah, I will destroy man whom I have finished from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for I repent that I have formed them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with Elohim. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And Elohim looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And Elohim said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. What is your Duty in service to God? What is your Duty in service to your Country? Is it to tell lies so you can help starve innocent people to death, so you can be made comfortable by the Coal and Oil you help them steal? Just like the Oil for Food program, all the Food and Aid programs set up by the UN are not feeding the poor well enough, they are being ripped off and starved to death. They do not help the Africans develop infrastructure so they can get water and food to feed themselves. They only give them handouts and keep them from developing to save the Coal and Oil for themselves. When I was in Europe, in the US Army as a Nuclear Biological and Chemical Warfare Instructor, and the Soviets were looking for a way to control the weather as a weapon, and they found it to be impossible for man to control the weather. I was in the US Army from 1976-1982, Margaret Thatcher invented the lie about Global Warming being manmade, so that she could try to get the leftwing environmentalists to support the use of Nuclear power, and for them to not own up to the truth, and use it as an excuse to keep undeveloped Countries from developing so that they can steal their Coal and Oil, is a conspiracy and Global Hoax, and they are pulling it off right in front of your eyes. Since Margaret Thatcher a whole community of Scientists dependant on Government Grants for their research, has been getting grants as long as they will support Margaret Thatcher's lies. Now that you have an eye witness telling you the truth about what is going on, are you going to help stop them from starving people to death in Africa so that they can get the Coal and Oil, like they did in Iraq before the Iraq War? Ephesians 2 1 And you has he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, (by grace you are saved;) 6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. "Some dumb guy" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message news:g1Fai.14412$rO7.9356@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > Laura Bush wore a black veil to see the Pope. How will all the right wing > fundie wackos who criticized Nancy Pelosi for wearing a headscarf in Syria > react to this? > > > > "The first lady later wore a black suit and a veil covering her head for > the private audience with the pope." > > http://www.charlotte.com/121/story/153627.html How will the Jews react to their leader Bush, going to witches and warlocks like the witch of Endor who deceived their leaders Saul, and got Saul and his son, and many in Israel killed by the false prophecy from them who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils to imitate the dead? With the doctrine of Limbo, Catholics were deceived by witches and warlocks who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils to imitate the dead. For unlike Peter who said David is dead, and his soul and body remains in the grave with us unto this day, the deceivers said those before Jesus remain in the graves in Limbo, but after Jesus their soul goes straight to heaven, which is a lie, for even the new testament records the first resurrection of the just, and the second resurrection of the unjust, and says that because there is no consciousness or awareness of time in the grave, it will seem like a moment of the twinkling of an eye, even though we may be in the grave ten thousand years before Jesus returns and resurrects us. But they falsely say that the dead go straight to heaven and will help the rest get there. "You are Gods, sons of the Most High!" But they strip the name Gods off the believers, so they may falsely say that they do not pray to and worship and serve other Gods. The Catholics, the Evangelicals, some of the Jews, and the Muslims, all believe the lie against the truth, and deny the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the unjust, because saying their souls go straight to heaven upon death, is saying the resurrection is past already. 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. The reason that they cannot get the story of Global Warming straight now, is because for thousands of years by lies people have deliberately destroyed both the foundational principles of true Science, and the foundational principle of true Religion. The target now is true Christianity, so the Communists polarize an issue with multiple wrong sides to choose from, false Scientists and false Christians, and they will not let anyone who knows what is going on reveal the truth in the medias, only the two wrong sides have been permitted to speak against each other in the medias for a long time to brainwash the public. So since both the Scientific and the Religious nuts that they pitted one against the other, constantly overlook the natural facts and make up myths and superstitions to supersede the truth and contradict one another, it really don't matter which lie you teach the children, either way when it comes to how the earth and the moon and dinosaurs and man came about, the children will be blind bigoted illiterates when it comes to both Scientific and Religious matters on those subjects. Neither of them can understand that the natural facts and the scriptures point to the earth having been much bigger, with a greater gravitational pull until an enemy of God, in rebellion with one third of his angels caused earth to blow up and form the moon, while killing all life upon earth a little over 6000 years ago. The words mistranslated as "Jupiter," one originally "Zeus" originally meant, "the great father helped," and was in reference to the larger earth that blew up and produced this one, but the religious nuts say that Zeus was the Geek God, and the science nuts say it was the Romans Jupiter. And the other word mistranslated Jupiter is "diapetes," which originally meant "a fallen stone," this is what they called meteorites, but the religious say it was an object from heaven that the pagans worshipped. But in fact the one in Ephesus was known by the Greeks and the Romans to be a piece of the original earth that blew up, and finally fell back to earth like the multitude of fire and brimstone that often fell back to earth much later after it blew up. Paul warned Timothy about the opposition of science falsely so called, and both sides have been spinning lies against each other since before then. Our testamony that we received from above, not from a man, went out through the earth, who has believed our report? Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing some real honest and interesting and exciting research without deliberately fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it and why, and what you think is wrong with it, and why. Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for clues, and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides of the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and some things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly tell me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it appears neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the third, and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and refine this overall view. According to all the NASA research, although they say about seven which could be, but say just over six thousand years ago a drastic natural change in Earth's climate occurred that took Earth from emerging from a strong Ice age, to a near vertical climb up to where Global temperature has been for all practical purposes, nearly level for the past just over six thousand years. How old was earth before then? I don't know, and none of these scientists or religious people seem to have an accurate scientific dating system, or an accurate recorded record, and each one varies as much as a 100 million years for the same rock, or the same piece of ice. But there is an obvious and recorded sound scientific reason for that drastic climate change from an ice age to where it is now, which NASA should have seen, but either just has not looked for it, or they can't believe what they see. Those craters on the Moon, how and when did they get there? You may be able to determine exactly how old the elements are on both the Earth and the Moon are, which according to every time I have seen, they are the exact same age, but how do you determine when those craters were made? Lets say for now, just a little over six thousand years ago, and I will show you why I believe that. Although some of their theories dream up the Idea that the Moon formed after breaking off the Earth, they cannot tell when that happened, and whether that is how it first formed, I am not sure if the Moon completely formed that way all at once, but if it happened just a little over six thousand years ago, that would make the elements of the Earth and the Moon still the same age even if they separated then. But for a long time before six thousand years ago, Earth's atmosphere was much more dense, and vegetation and sea creatures were much more abundant, why? Probably because of a greater gravitational pull by Earth, because if Earth had the matter that made the Moon or parts of it, Earth would have had a much greater mass than now, and a greater gravitational pull than now, and the atmosphere would be denser, so much denser it could block out so much sunlight, that nearly one third of the Earth was covered by glaciers like the evidence of the ice ages indicates. Then just a little over six thousand years ago, Earth blew up with such a massive explosion, massive fragments of the Earth made those craters on what is now our Moon, and may have even formed the Moon completely then, as other massive fragments of Earth and some water fell back into the waters on what was left of Earth. The impact was great enough on the Moon that it is to this day drifting just a little further from Earth each year, and the explosion had left pools of water and Earth fragments in a slow decaying orbit about Earth, and traces of water on the Moon, and there may even be traces of life that perished from Earth, carried by the fragments and left on the Moon by this. This water in orbit of Earth was above the firmament, and the waters below the firmament gathered together to form seas, as the dry land appeared. After the explosion just over six thousand years ago, every living thing on the Earth perished, and the smaller Earth left, had a less gravity, and less dense atmosphere, and less water. And the new plants and new sea creatures and the new animals and new man were all made with no evolutionary link between any of the former life forms that perished when Earth exploded. And from Adam on they lived 1665 years building stone and metal cities across the earth until the pools of water and Earth fragments began to fall from above the firmament, as the slow decaying orbit caused the Flood of Noah. When the waters receded off the land, all the land of Earth was one Continent for a little over a hundred years as man began to build populate new stone and metal cities, and when the Continents divided, possibly caused by slower larger decaying fragments of Earth, which the impact may have caused the continental divide dividing the new cities mostly between the two major east and west Continents, which resulted in the stone building cultures of Egypt and central America, as other smaller continents formed with few inhabitants while many of the old cities built before the flood sank into the oceans, and this caused the more than 600 stories about 4,200 years ago in different cultures that developed from the separated people that survived the continents dividing, and since then continental drift has been minor. Some slower larger decaying fragments of earth may have caused the smaller continental divides too, and some slower decaying fragments may have even destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Now there are plenty of records of these old stone and metal cities being found under water, and though most people try to say they are around 6000 to 10,000 tears old, I believe all of them were began after Adam began 6000 years ago, when Adam's genealogy began, and many of them ancient cities were build before the flood, but though some sank immediately because of the flood, many actually sank a little later like described above, 4,200 years ago, and as Earth's new crust settled, many later individual cities also sank at various times. "Anthropology" comes from a Greek word "Anthropos," meaning "Manlike," not"Mankind" or "Man," and though mistranslated into English as "Man," it is used to refer to both Mankind and Angels together, even though that they arenot of the same species of life. According as it is written, "When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you had ordained, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visits him? For you had made him a little lower than the angels, and had crowned him with glory and honor. You made him to have dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet." Here is more of the presented evidence that just proves the scriptures are telling the truth, and that Evolution is Pure Crap, and so is what most of these Scientists and Religious People are saying, because they are not saying what the scriptures truly say. http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestHumanSkull.JPG http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/ManasOldasCoal.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Discoveries.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MoreFossils.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/HumanBrain.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/TestResults.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestTool.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Scorpion.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-013F.JPG http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-022S.JPG Manlike remains being buried that deep in layers of Coal, just proves the scriptures true,wherein it says that the old earth blew up, and came back down into the waters, killing all the manlike creatures and all the plants and animals upon the earth that was, before the Creator reformed this heavens and earth, and created the current plants and animals with no evolutionary link to those that perished, as he Created Adam with no evolutionary link to those manlike that perished, before he created and told Adam to replenish the earth. What the Scientists and Religious People miss altogether is that in Genesis 1, it was mistranslated into Latin, and then into other languages because of the Latin mistranslation. It originally said, "Within the chief woman's fruit finished Godship associate the heavens and associate the earth, and the earth class invisibleness and untenanted and darkness surface the wakes, and Spirit God from the brood surface the waters, and said Godship birth light, and birth light, and saw Godship associate the light the related good, and divided Godship among between the light, and among between the darkness, and called Godship the light day, and the darkness called night, and birth evening and birth morning day first." All the Godship in verse one was killed leaving but the Spirit of God in verse 2, and he resurrected them as they rose saying birth light, and those that did birth light became angels of light, and those that did not birth light became angels of darkness, for Lucifer's name meant light bearer, but when he rose against the Most High, he became the murder from the beginning as all perished in his attempted overthrow of the Most High, and these are but shadows of prophecy of the end, as the resurrection of the light foretells of the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the darkness foretells of the resurrection of the unjust, when with the sound of rushing mighty wind, the heavens and earth burst into a flame of fire, melting even the elements thereof. But all the scientists and all these Creationalist Christians all cast off that the former heaven and earth perished, and that this one was formed upon the debris, so that there is no evolutionary link to the life forms that all perished on the former earth, and those that were created in the days of Adam when was told to replenish the new earth. Our earth's center core is solid with a molten layer around it, some say it is mostly Nickel with a lot of Iron that give earth it's magnetic field. But the core and the molten layer is in reality a mix of all the Natural Isotopes that the molten layer is constantly sorting out. If you read some of my posts, I mentioned how star and planets blow up in nature, because of the molten elements around a solid core. The centrifuge effect caused by the planet's or star's rotation on and axis, and the gravitational pull can separate out layers of Isotopes in the molten elements around the solid core, sometimes as radioactive Isotope layers build up, the chain reaction occurs slow enough to just make the molten layer hotter, other times the radioactive Isotope layers build up so fast, it causes a super nova, or an exploding planet like what you see left in the van halen asteroid belt, and like when the devil caused the earth and planets and the stars to blow up before as he became the murderer from the beginning. "That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness." 2 Peter 3:2-13 Before plants and animals grew in abundance and lived and died and began making Tar, Coal, and Oil, and when the earth blew up killing the remainder of them, it buried all the former plants and animals, and that is where we got a lot of our Coal and Oil. The Communists were Atheists making a show of supporting the free exercise of Religious faith, while substituting Government secular law as if it were Religious principle, that outlawed the free exercise of Religious faith. Like in the days of Noah, the Most High God of heaven and Earth has warned the whole Earth of a Global Climate change that the Devil as the unbelievers' God shall bring upon the Earth, to deceive and kill all who believe not the love and the truth revealed by the Most High God, so that they might be saved from the perils yet to come pass. But instead of preparing multiple waters sources to save crops, cattle, and people, they divert the recourses for their own financial gains, while building massive water reservoirs, where each reservoir, waters a massive population that will be endangered if and when a local flood washes poisons into their local reservoir, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to be come sick and or die, and or if and when a local drought comes their local reservoir will run short of water, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to thirsts to death, so that they may come and take their lands and possessions for themselves. The Hebrew word "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," in Hosea, comes from the Hebrew word "Yada," which is mistranslated as "knew from Yada," but is rightfully used as "acquainted" in, "Adam acquainted his wife again, and she bare a son," and "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," is rightfully used as "acquaintance," in Hosea. Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of acquaintance, because you have rejected my acquaintance, I will also reject you, so that you shall become no priest to me, seeing you have forgotten the personal directions from your God, I will also forget your children." They do not understand that following their own political and scientific and religious doctrines whereby they measure right from wrong, and reprove and approve and or condemn one another, are lies that corrupts and blinds their hearts from being acquainted with Jehovah, and when they become unacquainted with Jehovah, then they and their wives and children begin to heed more and more deceitful lies and begin to commit adultery, it is not the adultery that separates them from Jehovah, it is their being unacquainted with him by heeding their doctrines that causes the adultery and eventually homosexuality and endless debates and endless multitudes of deceitful doctrines that results in fraud and thefts and starvations and murders of the innocent whom they falsely claim that they are exercising justice upon. Jehovah does not speak condemnation to destroy them, but in love with all mankind he reveals the truth to try to turn both the wicked and the righteous continuously back to him so that they will not perish if they hearken unto him, and only those too stubborn to turn at his loving reproof, drive on until they bring upon themselves their own self-destruction. Ezekiel 3:16-21 "And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, Son of man, I have made you a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, you shall surely die; and you give him not the warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because you have not given him the warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he had done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also you have delivered your soul." Like as written, "there shall be famine and droughts in diverse places," and again it is written, "there shall be tempests and earthquakes in diverse places," but the deceivers will falsely claim that the Most High God is sending these perils upon mankind as punishment for their sins, so that they may justify themselves for not giving financial or physical aid to them that the Devil as their deceiving God is destroying, so that they may take their possessions after their destruction, for they are alike the thief who comes not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy, while they acquainted with the Most high God, are come so that those that believe the truth from him may live and live life more abundantly. For those who have become unacquainted with him and his truth, are they who have fallen away from the truth, and being disobedient to the truth, the Devil as their God of the World, sends them strong delusion, so that they will believe the lie, so that they all may be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. For with the Devil as their head, they are like one man of iniquity that follows him and his multitude of lies designed to cause confusion, as his greedy followers dare to even do his evil works in the names of the Most High God. They scream, "believe God's only begotten son," not even knowing the truth that the word "only" is mistranslated, because as it is written, "behold what manner of love that the father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God," and again according as it is written, "He came unto his own, and his own received him not, but as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name, which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Being born again from above God has more than one begotten son. But Jesus as his Seed, which the word "Seed" is translated from the Greek word "sperma" from which we get the English word "sperm." Jesus is our Creator's sperm uniquely begotten in a virgin who was from the loins of David, so that she being from the loins of Judah, would bring forth as the promised Salvation from the loins of Judah. And all that personally believe our omnipresent Creator being acquainted with him, and receive his non omnipresent uniquely begotten son as his promised Salvation from the loins Judah, as the inheritance of the promised heir by birthright of the house of Israel from the loins of Joseph, and as the commonwealth of all Israel, he gives them the authority to become sons of God. For he says in Psalms, "You are Gods, sons of the Most High." And his uniquely begotten son says in John, "for he if he called them Gods unto whom the word of God came, the scriptures cannot be broken." But the unbelievers strip the name Gods off the sons of God, and some even falsely call them false prophets whom the word of God never came to, Gods, just because they quote scriptures in order to deceive. But mostly they strip the name Gods off the true believers so that they may falsely accuse them of claiming to be God, as they oppose and exalt themselves upon all that they persecute and kill, whom are the true believers called Gods, that the deceivers persecute and kill in the name of the Most High God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 was deliberately mistranslated so that they may lie, and oppose and exalt themselves upon all that is called God, or worships. Here I give a more accurate translation of the ancient Greek and Aramaic. "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Adown Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself upon all that is called God, or worships, likening him unto the temple of Godship alike God sits, revealing himself related exists God. Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity does already work, only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Adown shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause their God shall send them strong delusion, so that they should believe a lie, so that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Adown, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth." Jeremiah 2:11-14 "Has a nation changed their Gods, which are yet not Gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit. Be astonished, O you heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be you very desolate, says Jehovah, for my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water, is Israel a servant? Is he a homeborn slave? Why is he spoiled?" These Jewish and Christian end time nuts that claim that they have to starve and or kill people, and take the so called Holy Land for Israel because they have to rebuild the Temple of Solomon before the Messiah can come or return, they are the antichrists that deceived the whole world, and will destroy anyone's credit, and not let anyone they disapprove of, buy and or sell, as they make manmade famines to starve people to death, and they make War commanding fire to fall from heaven in the sight of all men, at will, and the mark of the beast, 666, means that they do these works by their our soul's imagination, as with their lips they profess God, but they are not acquainted with him and do none of his works, and they kill the living temple of God caught between them in all of their deliberately confusing conflicts built upon lies. For the Creator laid his uniquely begotten son as the foundation stone of the new Temple, as the new covenant, and they cannot tell the difference between the Creator and his son, and they cannot tell that the most high does not dwell in Temples made by hands, for them acquainted with the omnipresent Creator believe his voice, and they receive his non-omnipresent son as the promised Salvation, and they become living stones of the true holy Temple wherein the most high dwells. But those deceivers build temples with their hands and worship the works of their hands, as they persecute and kill the living temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3:16 -17 "Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." How shall they know what time it is for anything done under the sun if they are not acquainted with the Spirit of God our Creator? For his son's return is not known by the son nor the angels of God, but is known by the father alone. Who can interpret dreams and visions by the Spirit within due time and season? Is it Plagiarism of another man's works, since it is just a few quoted verses, or is it God-breathed by Spirit within due time and season? Yep, you will be the judge, and if my words are God-breathed by Spirit within due time and season, within the due time and season of that last day, my word will be the judge of you, whether you be good or evil, and if I have spoken presumptuously, in that last day your words may be the judge of me! "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." "A time to scatter, and a time to gather." When I was in King's County, Seattle Washington, I was yet homeless, so I bought a van from the Taproot Theater, and I made my bed there, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and behold earth was no more, and heaven was open, and the Son of David appeared within the cloud, standing with a clean shaven face, having longer than shoulder length hair, wearing a one piece white robe, standing head and shoulders above Joseph, holding Joseph about the waist with his two arms crossed about the midst of Joseph's back, holding him with Joseph's face and his two arms hidden, as Joseph rest his bald head upon the breast of the Son of David, standing with his two legs hidden behind Joseph's two legs and two feet that hung below the cloud, and Joseph was dressed in a two part garment, a blue shirt that covered his trunk, and blue pants that covered his hind parts down unto his two white tennis shoes. And when I saw the vision, I cried out, "Ok, where is God?" When all of a sudden I realized that it was I that Jesus was holding within the vision, as I rest my head and hid my face upon his breast, and I found myself within the vision within invisibleness in all directions, and then I realized, God can be seen by nobody at any time, and within him within every time we all dwell, and within every time the Word which became flesh within due time and season, is always revealed within the bosom of the Father, and they declare one the other. And then I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the Father of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought from the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and there appeared a great field of well kept grass, and the Spirit laid me upon the grass of Ephraim, and I looked unto the south, and there was a well built red barn with white trim, and behold the barn leaned southward ready to fall, and I cried out, "I am a carpenter, I can raise it up again!" And the Spirit caught me up and carried me northward and laid me upon the grass the grass of Ephraim, next to a rock wall that enclosed the grass field, with a great grove of trees within the midst, and amidst the grove of trees there was a well built rock farmhouse, and when I saw it, I cried out, "Maybe I should redeem it for my own!" When the Spirit picked me up and carried me straight through the wall of the rock farmhouse, and when inside the women with long hair that were bent over searching their baggage, stopped searching and stood up next to their baggage, and they all looked up at me expecting to receive something. Hear O Israel, within my body as cup, the Father has always been there, and he sent his Son within as my cup, my silver cup whereby I drink and divine, Says Jehovah of hosts. "Open your mouths wide and breath in, and I will fill it, and there will be no strange God within you, I am Jehovah that delivered Israel from the land of Egypt." And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the Redeemer of Israel, Jehovah of hosts whom Redeemed us all by the blood of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought from the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke within a vision as the Spirit laid me upon the sand of the holy hill Zion, and to the south standing upon the sand, the right bare foot and leg of the Angel that stood so tall that is all I could see of him, and to the north where his left leg should be, there grew up out of the sand a great thorn bush that grew so tall I could not see the top, and when I looked at the trunk, a great scroll rolled out of the trunk of the thorn bush, and when I leaned to look into the scroll, the thorn bush and the scroll burst into flames but burned not, and the flames entered my face and caused it to shine. And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within Jehovah whom reveled the thorn bush of Moses, and the Angel that dwelt within it for Joseph, the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, for he has revealed the holy hill Zion to the heir by birthright within his due time and season, to restore the Kingdom unto Israel, and reconcile all unto Jehovah, by the King of the house of David, unto whom was given the tribe of Benjamin our Fellowheir, unto whom the Gentiles were given as Fellowheirs. I entered the house to hear the word of Jehovah, and I sat next to the east wall, and when I heard of David hiding within the woods as the minister stood up yelling, "who can tell when Joseph will rise up?" As the window of heaven open, and the house became filled with the darkness of the night, and there appeared a great field within amidst the darkness of the night, and amidst the field appeared a huddle of five men all dressed the same, all wearing black sackcloth under their skin, all bent down working upon the same thing, and suddenly there blew down out of the north a great whirling wind, with whirling two edged tongues that swill down upon them, as Joseph began to rise up over them eating hand to mouth cleaning and shaving his face, as the four men rose up and began to scatter southward like drunken men, as the great whirling wind chased them with no place to hide within all the earth, as they weep and howled for the misery that came upon them, and one of them came running up to me weeping and howling as their name, Belial, appeared within his fore head, and Joseph in the vision began to turn his back upon the and first turned westward and stood upon his two feet, and then he turned northward and walked up north and stood in fear and tremble looking up northward as a two edged tail of the great whirling wind swirl about the crown of his bald head, and began filling him on the inside from the crown of his bald head down unto his feet, until he was the fullest filled. Like Joseph saw himself within the visions, so did I, and Jehovah and the Lord Jesus are about to bring this one to pass. The men of Belial are religious people that are not acquainted with Jehovah or his Son Jesus. If they would have dad an earth-asteroid collision defense system set up by these incompetent greedy fools among the democrats and republicans and UN, humanity in all probability would not have survived. Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing some real honest and interesting and exciting research without deliberately fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it, and why, and what you think is wrong with it, and why. Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for clues, and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides of the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and some things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly tell me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it appears neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the third, and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and refine this overall view. I am just sharing a little of what I know about it, to see where each of you will try to go with it, for a lot of you i believe I that already know where that will be. In service of God and Country Joseph Quote
Guest sandman Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 I really don't think anyone "farmed" Greenland..... that's "spin" for the people who have never looked at a map and are unlikely ever to. Look at a map of the arctic circle........that pretty much tells the story. The majority of Greenland lies well inside the A.C. http://www.bugbog.com/maps/polar_regions/arctic_circle_map.html About the name "Greenland" . Apparently a scam to attract settlers..... http://www.tallrite.com/weblog/blogimages/refs2004/handoveryournamegreenland.htm <Joseph> wrote in message news:wOWdnd5LNIzlAvbbnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net... >> ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of >> the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any >> computer projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, >> agree that the entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating >> rate) within five years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the >> serious projections indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous >> rise in sea levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and >> permanent flooding of most of the American east and gulf coasts and a >> massive destruction to the commercial infastructure that will have >> devastating financial consequences. For this reason, the matter is not to >> be discussed by any governmental agency and public discussion in any of >> the major media outlets has been kept very quiet. The Bush people pray it >> will not happen before they are out of office. " >> >> If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea >> level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes >> ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will >> be moving to Chicago." >> >> >> >> (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) >> >> > Oh my God! When the Vikings in 800 to 1300 AD were farming Greenland and > the > North American Artic land where there are Glacers today, it was warmer > then > than now, and that means there was less ice caps then than now. So how did > these so called scientists drill into 600 thousand years of Ice that did > not > exist? The Global Cooling killed off the Viking Conquest of North America, > it is about time the climate got back to normal. > > What is crazy after the Global Cooling many People think they are good > Samaritans, and don't even know what it meant to be a Samaritan, and what > else is crazy about it, George Washington wanted thirteen Stars of David > on > the flag to represent the thirteen Colonies, that represented the thirteen > tribes of Israel. > > But Modern Jews and Christians forgot how to count to thirteen, and > falsely > say there was only twelve tribes equal to the twelve Apostles. > > Joseph had two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, so that any tribe not > numbered > among the twelve tribes was called the shepherd stone. > > Moses led with the tribe of Levi not numbered among the twelve > > Jesus as the Chief Apostle of Judah led not numbered among the twelve > Apostles. > > Ephraim as the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, leads not > numbered > among the twelve. > > Dan leads not numbered among the twelve in revelations. > > Benjamin the fellowheir was given unto Judah as the South Kingdom called > Judaea with Jerusalem as their capital. > > Ephraim was given ten tribes as the North Kingdom called Israel with > Samaria > as their capital. > > Those of the South Kingdom of Judaea were called Jews. > > Those of the North Kingdom of Israel were called Samaritans. > > The Kingdom was restored unto Jeudea, but not Israel. > > Acts 1 > 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they > should > not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, > said he, you have heard of me. > 5 For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the > Holy Spirit not many days hence. > 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, > will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? > 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the > seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. > 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: > and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, > and > in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. > > Behold O Samaritans, O Israel, this day the Kingdom is restored unto > Israel > from above. The mount of Edom being Esau will destroy the children of > Judah > like as foretold by the Prophet Obadiah. The house of Jacob shall be a > fire > and the house of Joseph a flame. > > Like Hitler, Bush is the Nazi Pope's puppet, the Pope praised him on his > immigration stance, the Pope praised him on attacking Iraq, the Pope > praised > him on not withdrawing from Iraq, the Pope praised him on promoting the > lie > of Global warming being manmade, the Pope praised him on his G-8 > accomplishments, the Pope praised him on keeping Africa on handouts > instead > of letting them develop so that they could get water and food for > themselves, did you not know that the Pope John Paul the 2nd's 300,000 > people in Iraq knew that there was no WMD there since 1993, but they > passed > on the lie about WMD to draw us into the War? Did you know that some of > the > associates of both Popes are funding all the different sides of the Middle > East conflict, even in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, and > Iran, and is stirring them up against one another so that his enemies will > destroy each other? Did you know that the new Pope is helping to overthrow > Russia's Government? Did you know the new Pope is urging the UN to set up > a > Global Communist Government? Did you know that the new Pope is > intentionally > promoting the lie about Global Warming being manmade? > > False Teachers say the scriptures teach that the covering is an actual > physical covering and not Spirit Jehovah as their personal consoler and > authority, or the covering of the authority of a man, and false teachers > say > a woman cannot teach even if she is under the authority of a man. > > 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as > there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in > damnable > heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon > themselves > swift destruction. > > Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, says Jehovah, that take > counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my > spirit, that they may add sin to sin: > > > 1 Corinthians 11 > > 1 Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. > 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things, and > keep > the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. > 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and > the > head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. > 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors > his > head. > 5 But every woman that praying or prophesying with her head uncovered > dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. > 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a > shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. > 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the > image and glory of Godship: but the woman is the glory of the man. > 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. > 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. > 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of > the > angels. > 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman > without the man, in the Lord. > 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; > but all things of God. > 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God > uncovered? > 14 Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, > it > is a shame unto him? > 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is > given her for a covering. > 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither > the churches of God. > 17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that you come > together not for the better, but for the worse. > 18 For first of all, when you come together in the church, I hear that > there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. > 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are > approved > may be made manifest among you. > > > The marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism produces the Corporate > Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, and > is getting God and his followers falsely blamed for it. > > To be able to understand how the marriage of Spiritualism and > Intellectualism is a marriage of false Religious beliefs and false > Scientific theories, that result in producing the Corporate Giants that > are > using deception and causing the violence of the world, some research to > find > the original meanings of a few words and phrases, by Etymology, will be > necessary. > > Because the plural Hebrew word Elohim was mistranslated as a singular > "God," > too many people do not realize that to walk with Jehovah and to walk with > Elohim often mean walking with Jehovah by way of his Angels as messengers, > but walking with Elohim can also mean walking with evil Spirits against > Spirit Jehovah. "And said Elohim, man has become like one of US to know > good > and evil." > > When walking with either Spirit Jehovah and his good Angel Spirits, or > walking with the Spirit Devil and his evil devil Spirits, that is > Spiritualism, and is contrary to walking by Intellectualism, which is > called > walking by the flesh, because the carnal knowledge is manufactured by > man's > mind, and was not given to man by Spirit. Men and Women who get their > Spiritual knowledge from either good or evil Elohim are called sons of > Elohim, and Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by > man's mind, are called daughters of men. When Men and Women who get their > Spiritual knowledge from evil Elohim, and are called sons of Elohim, > marry > their Spiritual knowledge with the carnal knowledge of Men and Women who > get > their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, the results of the > marriage produces Nephilim called Giants, or Corporate Giants, and their > followers are congregations as offspring, that use deception and cause > violence to spread across the face of the earth like in the days of Noah. > > Genesis 6 > > 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the > earth, > and daughters were born unto them, > 2 That the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; > and > they took them wives of all which they chose. > 3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that > he > also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. > 4 There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, > when > the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare > children > to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. > 5 And saw Jehovah that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and > that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil > continually. > 6 And it repented Jehovah that he had formed man on the earth, and it > grieved him at his heart. > 7 And said Jehovah, I will destroy man whom I have finished from the face > of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls > of > the air; for I repent that I have formed them. > 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah. > 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in > his > generations, and Noah walked with Elohim. > 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. > 11 The earth also was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with > violence. > 12 And Elohim looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all > flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. > 13 And Elohim said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for > the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will > destroy > them with the earth. > > > What is your Duty in service to God? What is your Duty in service to your > Country? Is it to tell lies so you can help starve innocent people to > death, so you can be made comfortable by the Coal and Oil you help them > steal? > > Just like the Oil for Food program, all the Food and Aid programs set up > by > the UN are not feeding the poor well enough, they are being ripped off and > starved to death. They do not help the Africans develop infrastructure so > they can get water and food to feed themselves. They only give them > handouts > and keep them from developing to save the Coal and Oil for themselves. > > When I was in Europe, in the US Army as a Nuclear Biological and Chemical > Warfare Instructor, and the Soviets were looking for a way to control the > weather as a weapon, and they found it to be impossible for man to control > the weather. I was in the US Army from 1976-1982, Margaret Thatcher > invented > the lie about Global Warming being manmade, so that she could try to get > the > leftwing environmentalists to support the use of Nuclear power, and for > them > to not own up to the truth, and use it as an excuse to keep undeveloped > Countries from developing so that they can steal their Coal and Oil, is a > conspiracy and Global Hoax, and they are pulling it off right in front of > your eyes. > > Since Margaret Thatcher a whole community of Scientists dependant on > Government Grants for their research, has been getting grants as long as > they will support Margaret Thatcher's lies. > > > Now that you have an eye witness telling you the truth about what is going > on, are you going to help stop them from starving people to death in > Africa > so that they can get the Coal and Oil, like they did in Iraq before the > Iraq > War? > > Ephesians 2 > 1 And you has he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; > 2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, > according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works > in the children of disobedience: > 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts > of > our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were > by > nature the children of wrath, even as others. > 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, > 5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, > (by grace you are saved;) > 6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly > places in Christ Jesus: > 7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his > grace > in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. > 8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: > it > is the gift of God: > 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. > 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, > which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. > > > > > > > "Some dumb guy" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message > news:g1Fai.14412$rO7.9356@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... >> Laura Bush wore a black veil to see the Pope. How will all the right wing >> fundie wackos who criticized Nancy Pelosi for wearing a headscarf in >> Syria >> react to this? >> >> >> >> "The first lady later wore a black suit and a veil covering her head for >> the private audience with the pope." >> >> http://www.charlotte.com/121/story/153627.html > > How will the Jews react to their leader Bush, going to witches and > warlocks > like the witch of Endor who deceived their leaders Saul, and got Saul and > his son, and many in Israel killed by the false prophecy from them who > pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils to > imitate the dead? > > With the doctrine of Limbo, Catholics were deceived by witches and > warlocks > who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit > devils > to imitate the dead. > > For unlike Peter who said David is dead, and his soul and body remains in > the grave with us unto this day, the deceivers said those before Jesus > remain in the graves in Limbo, but after Jesus their soul goes straight to > heaven, which is a lie, for even the new testament records the first > resurrection of the just, and the second resurrection of the unjust, and > says that because there is no consciousness or awareness of time in the > grave, it will seem like a moment of the twinkling of an eye, even though > we > may be in the grave ten thousand years before Jesus returns and resurrects > us. > > But they falsely say that the dead go straight to heaven and will help the > rest get there. "You are Gods, sons of the Most High!" But they strip the > name Gods off the believers, so they may falsely say that they do not pray > to and worship and serve other Gods. > > The Catholics, the Evangelicals, some of the Jews, and the Muslims, all > believe the lie against the truth, and deny the resurrection of the just, > and the resurrection of the unjust, because saying their souls go straight > to heaven upon death, is saying the resurrection is past already. > > 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the > resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. > > The reason that they cannot get the story of Global Warming straight now, > is > because for thousands of years by lies people have deliberately destroyed > both the foundational principles of true Science, and the foundational > principle of true Religion. The target now is true Christianity, so the > Communists polarize an issue with multiple wrong sides to choose from, > false > Scientists and false Christians, and they will not let anyone who knows > what > is going on reveal the truth in the medias, only the two wrong sides have > been permitted to speak against each other in the medias for a long time > to > brainwash the public. > > So since both the Scientific and the Religious nuts that they pitted one > against the other, constantly overlook the natural facts and make up myths > and superstitions to supersede the truth and contradict one another, it > really don't matter which lie you teach the children, either way when it > comes to how the earth and the moon and dinosaurs and man came about, the > children will be blind bigoted illiterates when it comes to both > Scientific > and Religious matters on those subjects. > > Neither of them can understand that the natural facts and the scriptures > point to the earth having been much bigger, with a greater gravitational > pull until an enemy of God, in rebellion with one third of his angels > caused > earth to blow up and form the moon, while killing all life upon earth a > little over 6000 years ago. The words mistranslated as "Jupiter," one > originally "Zeus" originally meant, "the great father helped," and was in > reference to the larger earth that blew up and produced this one, but the > religious nuts say that Zeus was the Geek God, and the science nuts say it > was the Romans Jupiter. And the other word mistranslated Jupiter is > "diapetes," which originally meant "a fallen stone," this is what they > called meteorites, but the religious say it was an object from heaven that > the pagans worshipped. But in fact the one in Ephesus was known by the > Greeks and the Romans to be a piece of the original earth that blew up, > and > finally fell back to earth like the multitude of fire and brimstone that > often fell back to earth much later after it blew up. Paul warned Timothy > about the opposition of science falsely so called, and both sides have > been > spinning lies against each other since before then. > > Our testamony that we received from above, not from a man, went out > through > the earth, who has believed our report? > > Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing > some real honest and interesting and exciting research without > deliberately > fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a > look > at this and tell me what you think is right with it and why, and > what you think is wrong with it, and why. > > Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many > different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of > both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of > individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for > clues, > and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why > things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade > records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides > of > the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and > some > things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and > objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of > natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly > tell > me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things > you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it > appears > neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are > mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, > whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not > fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the > third, > and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, > that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both > sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, > that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If > you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall > picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually > happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and > refine this overall view. > > According to all the NASA research, although they say about seven which > could be, but say just over six thousand years ago a drastic natural > change > in Earth's climate occurred that took Earth from emerging from a strong > Ice > age, to a near vertical climb up to where Global temperature has been for > all practical purposes, nearly level for the past just over six thousand > years. How old was earth before then? I don't know, and none of these > scientists or religious people seem to have an accurate scientific dating > system, or an accurate recorded record, and each one varies as much as a > 100 > million years for the same rock, or the same piece of ice. > > But there is an obvious and recorded sound scientific reason for that > drastic climate change from an ice age to where it is now, which NASA > should > have seen, but either just has not looked for it, or they can't believe > what > they see. Those craters on the Moon, how and when did they get there? You > may be able to determine exactly how old the elements are on both the > Earth > and the Moon are, which according to every time I have seen, they are the > exact same age, but how do you determine when those craters were made? > Lets > say for now, just a little over six thousand years ago, and I will show > you > why I believe that. Although some of their theories dream up the Idea that > the Moon formed after breaking off the Earth, they cannot tell when that > happened, and whether that is how it first formed, I am not sure if the > Moon > completely formed that way all at once, but if it happened just a little > over six thousand years ago, that would make the elements of the Earth and > the Moon still the same age even if they separated then. But for a long > time > before six thousand years ago, Earth's atmosphere was much more dense, and > vegetation and sea creatures were much more abundant, why? Probably > because > of a greater gravitational pull by Earth, because if Earth had the matter > that made the Moon or parts of it, Earth would have had a much greater > mass > than now, and a greater gravitational pull than now, and the atmosphere > would be denser, so much denser it could block out so much sunlight, that > nearly one third of the Earth was covered by glaciers like the evidence of > the ice ages indicates. Then just a little over six thousand years ago, > Earth blew up with such a massive explosion, massive fragments of the > Earth > made those craters on what is now our Moon, and may have even formed the > Moon completely then, as other massive fragments of Earth and some water > fell back into the waters on what was left of Earth. The impact was great > enough on the Moon that it is to this day drifting just a little further > from Earth each year, and the explosion had left pools of water and Earth > fragments in a slow decaying orbit about Earth, and traces of water on the > Moon, and there may even be traces of life that perished from Earth, > carried > by the fragments and left on the Moon by this. This water in orbit of > Earth > was above the firmament, and the waters below the firmament gathered > together to form seas, as the dry land appeared. > > After the explosion just over six thousand years ago, every living thing > on > the Earth perished, and the smaller Earth left, had a less gravity, and > less > dense atmosphere, and less water. And the new plants and new sea creatures > and the new animals and new man were all made with no evolutionary link > between any of the former life forms that perished when Earth exploded. > And > from Adam on they lived 1665 years building stone and metal cities across > the earth until the pools of water and Earth fragments began to fall from > above the firmament, as the slow decaying orbit caused the Flood of Noah. > When the waters receded off the land, all the land of Earth was one > Continent for a little over a hundred years as man began to build populate > new stone and metal cities, and when the Continents divided, possibly > caused > by slower larger decaying fragments of Earth, which the impact may have > caused the continental divide dividing the new cities mostly between the > two > major east and west Continents, which resulted in the stone building > cultures of Egypt and central America, as other smaller continents formed > with few inhabitants while many of the old cities built before the flood > sank into the oceans, and this caused the more than 600 stories about > 4,200 > years ago in different cultures that developed from the separated people > that survived the continents dividing, and since then continental drift > has > been minor. Some slower larger decaying fragments of earth may have > caused > the smaller continental divides too, and some slower decaying fragments > may > have even destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. > > > Now there are plenty of records of these old stone and metal cities being > found under water, and though most people try to say they are around 6000 > to > 10,000 tears old, I believe all of them were began after Adam began 6000 > years ago, when Adam's genealogy began, and many of them ancient cities > were > build before the flood, but though some sank immediately because of the > flood, many actually sank a little later like described above, 4,200 years > ago, and as Earth's new crust settled, many later individual cities also > sank at various times. > > "Anthropology" comes from a Greek word "Anthropos," meaning "Manlike," > not"Mankind" or "Man," and though mistranslated into English as "Man," it > is used to refer to both Mankind and Angels together, even though that > they > arenot of the same species of life. According as it is written, "When I > consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, > which you had ordained, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the > son of man, that thou visits him? For you had made him a little lower than > the angels, and had crowned him with glory and honor. You made him to have > dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his > feet." > > Here is more of the presented evidence that just proves the scriptures > are > telling the truth, and that Evolution is Pure Crap, and so is what most of > these Scientists and Religious People are saying, because they are not > saying what the scriptures truly say. > > > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestHumanSkull.JPG > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/ManasOldasCoal.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Discoveries.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MoreFossils.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/HumanBrain.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/TestResults.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestTool.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Scorpion.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-013F.JPG > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-022S.JPG > > Manlike remains being buried that deep in layers of Coal, just proves the > scriptures true,wherein it says that the old earth blew up, and came back > down into the waters, killing all the manlike creatures and all the plants > and animals upon the earth that was, before the Creator reformed this > heavens and earth, and created the current plants and animals with no > evolutionary link to those that perished, as he Created Adam with no > evolutionary link to those manlike that perished, before he created and > told > Adam to replenish the earth. > > What the Scientists and Religious People miss altogether is that in > Genesis > 1, it was mistranslated into Latin, and then into other languages because > of > the Latin mistranslation. It originally said, "Within the chief woman's > fruit finished Godship associate the heavens and associate the earth, and > the earth class invisibleness and untenanted and darkness surface the > wakes, > and Spirit God from the brood surface the waters, and said Godship birth > light, and birth light, and saw Godship associate the light the related > good, and divided Godship among between the light, and among between the > darkness, and called Godship the light day, and the darkness called > night, > and birth evening and birth morning day first." > > All the Godship in verse one was killed leaving but the Spirit of God in > verse 2, and he resurrected them as they rose saying birth light, and > those > that did birth light became angels of light, and those that did not birth > light became angels of darkness, for Lucifer's name meant light bearer, > but > when he rose against the Most High, he became the murder from the > beginning > as all perished in his attempted overthrow of the Most High, and these are > but shadows of prophecy of the end, as the resurrection of the light > foretells of the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the > darkness foretells of the resurrection of the unjust, when with the sound > of > rushing mighty wind, the heavens and earth burst into a flame of fire, > melting even the elements thereof. > > But all the scientists and all these Creationalist Christians all cast off > that the former heaven and earth perished, and that this one was formed > upon > the debris, so that there is no evolutionary link to the life forms that > all > perished on the former earth, and those that were created in the days of > Adam when was told to replenish the new earth. > > Our earth's center core is solid with a molten layer around it, some say > it > is mostly Nickel with a lot of Iron that give earth it's magnetic field. > But > the core and the molten layer is in reality a mix of all the Natural > Isotopes that the molten layer is constantly sorting out. > > If you read some of my posts, I mentioned how star and planets blow up in > nature, because of the molten elements around a solid core. > > The centrifuge effect caused by the planet's or star's rotation on and > axis, > and the gravitational pull can separate out layers of Isotopes in the > molten > elements around the solid core, sometimes as radioactive Isotope layers > build up, the chain reaction occurs slow enough to just make the molten > layer hotter, other times the radioactive Isotope layers build up so fast, > it causes a super nova, or an exploding planet like what you see left in > the > van halen asteroid belt, and like when the devil caused the earth and > planets and the stars to blow up before as he became the murderer from the > beginning. > > "That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy > prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and > Savior: > Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, > walking > after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for > since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the > beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that > by > the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the > water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed > with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by > the > same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of > judgment > and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one > thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand > years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some > men > count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any > should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the > Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall > pass > away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, > the > earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then > that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye > to > be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto > the > coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be > dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless > we, > according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein > dwells righteousness." > > 2 Peter 3:2-13 > > > Before plants and animals grew in abundance and lived and died and began > making Tar, Coal, and Oil, and when the earth blew up killing the > remainder > of them, it buried all the former plants and animals, and that is where we > got a lot of our Coal and Oil. > > The Communists were Atheists making a show of supporting the free exercise > of Religious faith, while substituting Government secular law as if it > were > Religious principle, that outlawed the free exercise of Religious faith. > > > > Like in the days of Noah, the Most High God of heaven and Earth has warned > the whole Earth of a Global Climate change that the Devil as the > unbelievers' God shall bring upon the Earth, to deceive and kill all who > believe not the love and the truth revealed by the Most High God, so that > they might be saved from the perils yet to come pass. > > But instead of preparing multiple waters sources to save crops, cattle, > and > people, they divert the recourses for their own financial gains, while > building massive water reservoirs, where each reservoir, waters a massive > population that will be endangered if and when a local flood washes > poisons > into their local reservoir, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to be > come sick and or die, and or if and when a local drought comes their local > reservoir will run short of water, causing many crops, cattle, and people, > to thirsts to death, so that they may come and take their lands and > possessions for themselves. > > The Hebrew word "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," in Hosea, comes from > the > Hebrew word "Yada," which is mistranslated as "knew from Yada," but is > rightfully used as "acquainted" in, "Adam acquainted his wife again, and > she > bare a son," and "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," is rightfully used > as > "acquaintance," in Hosea. > > Hosea 4:6 > > "My people are destroyed for lack of acquaintance, because you have > rejected > my acquaintance, I will also reject you, so that you shall become no > priest > to me, seeing you have forgotten the personal directions from your God, I > will also forget your children." > > They do not understand that following their own political and scientific > and > religious doctrines whereby they measure right from wrong, and reprove and > approve and or condemn one another, are lies that corrupts and blinds > their > hearts from being acquainted with Jehovah, and when they become > unacquainted > with Jehovah, then they and their wives and children begin to heed more > and > more deceitful lies and begin to commit adultery, it is not the adultery > that separates them from Jehovah, it is their being unacquainted with him > by > heeding their doctrines that causes the adultery and eventually > homosexuality and endless debates and endless multitudes of deceitful > doctrines that results in fraud and thefts and starvations and murders of > the innocent whom they falsely claim that they are exercising justice > upon. > Jehovah does not speak condemnation to destroy them, but in love with all > mankind he reveals the truth to try to turn both the wicked and the > righteous continuously back to him so that they will not perish if they > hearken unto him, and only those too stubborn to turn at his loving > reproof, > drive on until they bring upon themselves their own self-destruction. > > Ezekiel 3:16-21 > > "And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of Jehovah > came > unto me, saying, Son of man, I have made you a watchman unto the house of > Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from > me. > When I say unto the wicked, you shall surely die; and you give him not the > warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his > life; > the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I > require > at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his > wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you > have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his > righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, > he shall die: because you have not given him the warning, he shall die in > his sin, and his righteousness which he had done shall not be remembered; > but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the > righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he does not sin, he shall > surely live, because he is warned; also you have delivered your soul." > > > Like as written, "there shall be famine and droughts in diverse places," > and > again it is written, "there shall be tempests and earthquakes in diverse > places," but the deceivers will falsely claim that the Most High God is > sending these perils upon mankind as punishment for their sins, so that > they > may justify themselves for not giving financial or physical aid to them > that > the Devil as their deceiving God is destroying, so that they may take > their > possessions after their destruction, for they are alike the thief who > comes > not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy, while they acquainted > with > the Most high God, are come so that those that believe the truth from him > may live and live life more abundantly. > > For those who have become unacquainted with him and his truth, are they > who > have fallen away from the truth, and being disobedient to the truth, the > Devil as their God of the World, sends them strong delusion, so that they > will believe the lie, so that they all may be damned who believed not the > truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. For with the Devil as their > head, they are like one man of iniquity that follows him and his multitude > of lies designed to cause confusion, as his greedy followers dare to even > do > his evil works in the names of the Most High God. > > They scream, "believe God's only begotten son," not even knowing the truth > that the word "only" is mistranslated, because as it is written, "behold > what manner of love that the father has bestowed upon us that we should be > called the sons of God," and again according as it is written, "He came > unto > his own, and his own received him not, but as many as received him, to > them > gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his > name, which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of > the will of man, but of God." Being born again from above God has more > than > one begotten son. But Jesus as his Seed, which the word "Seed" is > translated > from the Greek word "sperma" from which we get the English word "sperm." > Jesus is our Creator's sperm uniquely begotten in a virgin who was from > the > loins of David, so that she being from the loins of Judah, would bring > forth > as the promised Salvation from the loins of Judah. And all that personally > believe our omnipresent Creator being acquainted with him, and receive his > non omnipresent uniquely begotten son as his promised Salvation from the > loins Judah, as the inheritance of the promised heir by birthright of the > house of Israel from the loins of Joseph, and as the commonwealth of all > Israel, he gives them the authority to become sons of God. > > > For he says in Psalms, "You are Gods, sons of the Most High." And his > uniquely begotten son says in John, "for he if he called them Gods unto > whom > the word of God came, the scriptures cannot be broken." But the > unbelievers > strip the name Gods off the sons of God, and some even falsely call them > false prophets whom the word of God never came to, Gods, just because they > quote scriptures in order to deceive. But mostly they strip the name Gods > off the true believers so that they may falsely accuse them of claiming to > be God, as they oppose and exalt themselves upon all that they persecute > and > kill, whom are the true believers called Gods, that the deceivers > persecute > and kill in the name of the Most High God. > > 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 was deliberately mistranslated so that they may > lie, > and oppose and exalt themselves upon all that is called God, or worships. > Here I give a more accurate translation of the ancient Greek and Aramaic. > > "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Adown Jesus Christ, > and > by our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, > or > be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as > that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: > for > that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that > man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts > himself > upon all that is called God, or worships, likening him unto the temple of > Godship alike God sits, revealing himself related exists God. Remember you > not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you > know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery > of iniquity does already work, only he who now lets will let, until he be > taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the > Adown > shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the > brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of > Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all > deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they > received > not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause > their God shall send them strong delusion, so that they should believe a > lie, so that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had > pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks always to > God > for you, brethren beloved of the Adown, because God has from the beginning > chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of > the truth." > > Jeremiah 2:11-14 > > "Has a nation changed their Gods, which are yet not Gods? But my people > have > changed their glory for that which does not profit. Be astonished, O you > heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be you very desolate, says > Jehovah, for my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the > fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, > that can hold no water, is Israel a servant? Is he a homeborn slave? Why > is > he spoiled?" > > These Jewish and Christian end time nuts that claim that they have to > starve > and or kill people, and take the so called Holy Land for Israel because > they > have to rebuild the Temple of Solomon before the Messiah can come or > return, > they are the antichrists that deceived the whole world, and will destroy > anyone's credit, and not let anyone they disapprove of, buy and or sell, > as > they make manmade famines to starve people to death, and they make War > commanding fire to fall from heaven in the sight of all men, at will, and > the mark of the beast, 666, means that they do these works by their our > soul's imagination, as with their lips they profess God, but they are not > acquainted with him and do none of his works, and they kill the living > temple of God caught between them in all of their deliberately confusing > conflicts built upon lies. > > For the Creator laid his uniquely begotten son as the foundation stone of > the new Temple, as the new covenant, and they cannot tell the difference > between the Creator and his son, and they cannot tell that the most high > does not dwell in Temples made by hands, for them acquainted with the > omnipresent Creator believe his voice, and they receive his > non-omnipresent > son as the promised Salvation, and they become living stones of the true > holy Temple wherein the most high dwells. > > But those deceivers build temples with their hands and worship the works > of > their hands, as they persecute and kill the living temple of God. > > 1 Corinthians 3:16 -17 "Know you not that you are the temple of God, and > that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defile the temple of God, > him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you > are." > > How shall they know what time it is for anything done under the sun if > they > are not acquainted with the Spirit of God our Creator? For his son's > return > is not known by the son nor the angels of God, but is known by the father > alone. > > Who can interpret dreams and visions by the Spirit within due time and > season? Is it Plagiarism of another man's works, since it is just a few > quoted verses, or is it God-breathed by Spirit within due time and season? > Yep, you will be the judge, and if my words are God-breathed by Spirit > within due time and season, within the due time and season of that last > day, > my word will be the judge of you, whether you be good or evil, and if I > have > spoken presumptuously, in that last day your words may be the judge of me! > > > > "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the > heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time > to > pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time > to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to > laugh; > a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a > time > to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from > embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time > to > cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and > a > time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a > time > of peace." > > > > "A time to scatter, and a time to gather." > > > > When I was in King's County, Seattle Washington, I was yet homeless, so I > bought a van from the Taproot Theater, and I made my bed there, and I > slept > until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my bed, > and I found myself in a vision, and behold earth was no more, and heaven > was > open, and the Son of David appeared within the cloud, standing with a > clean > shaven face, having longer than shoulder length hair, wearing a one piece > white robe, standing head and shoulders above Joseph, holding Joseph about > the waist with his two arms crossed about the midst of Joseph's back, > holding him with Joseph's face and his two arms hidden, as Joseph rest his > bald head upon the breast of the Son of David, standing with his two legs > hidden behind Joseph's two legs and two feet that hung below the cloud, > and > Joseph was dressed in a two part garment, a blue shirt that covered his > trunk, and blue pants that covered his hind parts down unto his two white > tennis shoes. And when I saw the vision, I cried out, "Ok, where is God?" > When all of a sudden I realized that it was I that Jesus was holding > within > the vision, as I rest my head and hid my face upon his breast, and I found > myself within the vision within invisibleness in all directions, and then > I > realized, God can be seen by nobody at any time, and within him within > every > time we all dwell, and within every time the Word which became flesh > within > due time and season, is always revealed within the bosom of the Father, > and > they declare one the other. And then I found myself upon my bed, resting > in, > and rejoicing within the Father of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of > Prophecy. > > > > And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought > from > the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place > left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and > there > appeared a great field of well kept grass, and the Spirit laid me upon the > grass of Ephraim, and I looked unto the south, and there was a well built > red barn with white trim, and behold the barn leaned southward ready to > fall, and I cried out, "I am a carpenter, I can raise it up again!" And > the > Spirit caught me up and carried me northward and laid me upon the grass > the > grass of Ephraim, next to a rock wall that enclosed the grass field, with > a > great grove of trees within the midst, and amidst the grove of trees there > was a well built rock farmhouse, and when I saw it, I cried out, "Maybe I > should redeem it for my own!" When the Spirit picked me up and carried me > straight through the wall of the rock farmhouse, and when inside the women > with long hair that were bent over searching their baggage, stopped > searching and stood up next to their baggage, and they all looked up at me > expecting to receive something. Hear O Israel, within my body as cup, the > Father has always been there, and he sent his Son within as my cup, my > silver cup whereby I drink and divine, Says Jehovah of hosts. "Open your > mouths wide and breath in, and I will fill it, and there will be no > strange > God within you, I am Jehovah that delivered Israel from the land of > Egypt." > And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the > Redeemer of Israel, Jehovah of hosts whom Redeemed us all by the blood of > our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. > > > > And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought > from > the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke within a > vision > as the Spirit laid me upon the sand of the holy hill Zion, and to the > south > standing upon the sand, the right bare foot and leg of the Angel that > stood > so tall that is all I could see of him, and to the north where his left > leg > should be, there grew up out of the sand a great thorn bush that grew so > tall I could not see the top, and when I looked at the trunk, a great > scroll > rolled out of the trunk of the thorn bush, and when I leaned to look into > the scroll, the thorn bush and the scroll burst into flames but burned > not, > and the flames entered my face and caused it to shine. And I found myself > upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within Jehovah whom reveled the > thorn > bush of Moses, and the Angel that dwelt within it for Joseph, the heir by > birthright of the house of Israel, for he has revealed the holy hill Zion > to > the heir by birthright within his due time and season, to restore the > Kingdom unto Israel, and reconcile all unto Jehovah, by the King of the > house of David, unto whom was given the tribe of Benjamin our Fellowheir, > unto whom the Gentiles were given as Fellowheirs. > > > > I entered the house to hear the word of Jehovah, and I sat next to the > east > wall, and when I heard of David hiding within the woods as the minister > stood up yelling, "who can tell when Joseph will rise up?" As the window > of > heaven open, and the house became filled with the darkness of the night, > and > there appeared a great field within amidst the darkness of the night, and > amidst the field appeared a huddle of five men all dressed the same, all > wearing black sackcloth under their skin, all bent down working upon the > same thing, and suddenly there blew down out of the north a great whirling > wind, with whirling two edged tongues that swill down upon them, as Joseph > began to rise up over them eating hand to mouth cleaning and shaving his > face, as the four men rose up and began to scatter southward like drunken > men, as the great whirling wind chased them with no place to hide within > all > the earth, as they weep and howled for the misery that came upon them, and > one of them came running up to me weeping and howling as their name, > Belial, > appeared within his fore head, and Joseph in the vision began to turn his > back upon the and first turned westward and stood upon his two feet, and > then he turned northward and walked up north and stood in fear and tremble > looking up northward as a two edged tail of the great whirling wind swirl > about the crown of his bald head, and began filling him on the inside from > the crown of his bald head down unto his feet, until he was the fullest > filled. Like Joseph saw himself within the visions, so did I, and Jehovah > and the Lord Jesus are about to bring this one to pass. The men of Belial > are religious people that are not acquainted with Jehovah or his Son > Jesus. > > > If they would have dad an earth-asteroid collision defense system set up > by > these incompetent greedy fools among the democrats and republicans and UN, > humanity in all probability would not have survived. > > > Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing > some real honest and interesting and exciting research without > deliberately > fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? > > Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it, and why, > and > what you think is wrong with it, and why. > > Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many > different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of > both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of > individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for > clues, > and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why > things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade > records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides > of > the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and > some > things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and > objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of > natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly > tell > me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things > you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it > appears > neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are > mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, > whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not > fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the > third, > and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, > that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both > sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, > that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If > you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall > picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually > happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and > refine this overall view. I am just sharing a little of what I know about > it, to see where each of you will try to go with it, for a lot of you i > believe I that already know where that will be. > > In service of God and Country > > Joseph > Quote
Guest Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 Their farming tools were left behind. See Norse ruins at Brattahlid which even today can be farmed in a short growing season. http://www.greenland-guide.gl/leif2000/history.htm And see North American Viking sites that were farmed far north of our farms today. http://www.infohub.com/Articles/20000327.html http://www.mnh.si.edu/vikings/start.html The Vikings thrived several hundred years because it was much warmer until the cooling period killed many of them off. I had an Eskamo as a girl freind in the 1980s, and I learned from her Alaskan tribe that during the same warmer times of the Vikings, there was much less ice in Alaska, and the Eskimos also thrived in greater numbers as farmers, hunters, and fishermen, until the cooling period killed many of them and their game off. In service of God and Country Joseph "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:10curb.je5.19.1@news.alt.net... > > I really don't think anyone "farmed" Greenland..... that's "spin" for the > people who have never looked at a map and are unlikely ever to. > > Look at a map of the arctic circle........that pretty much tells the > story. The majority of Greenland lies well inside the A.C. > > http://www.bugbog.com/maps/polar_regions/arctic_circle_map.html > > About the name "Greenland" . Apparently a scam to attract settlers..... > http://www.tallrite.com/weblog/blogimages/refs2004/handoveryournamegreenland.htm > > > > > <Joseph> wrote in message > news:wOWdnd5LNIzlAvbbnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net... >>> ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting >>> of the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any >>> computer projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, >>> agree that the entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present >>> accelerating rate) within five years, not five hundred. If this happens, >>> and all the serious projections indicate that it will, there will be a >>> disastrous rise in sea levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and >>> massive and permanent flooding of most of the American east and gulf >>> coasts and a massive destruction to the commercial infastructure that >>> will have devastating financial consequences. For this reason, the >>> matter is not to be discussed by any governmental agency and public >>> discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept very quiet. >>> The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of office. " >>> >>> If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea >>> level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes >>> ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will >>> be moving to Chicago." >>> >>> >>> >>> (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) >>> >>> >> Oh my God! When the Vikings in 800 to 1300 AD were farming Greenland and >> the >> North American Artic land where there are Glacers today, it was warmer >> then >> than now, and that means there was less ice caps then than now. So how >> did >> these so called scientists drill into 600 thousand years of Ice that did >> not >> exist? The Global Cooling killed off the Viking Conquest of North >> America, >> it is about time the climate got back to normal. >> >> What is crazy after the Global Cooling many People think they are good >> Samaritans, and don't even know what it meant to be a Samaritan, and what >> else is crazy about it, George Washington wanted thirteen Stars of David >> on >> the flag to represent the thirteen Colonies, that represented the >> thirteen >> tribes of Israel. >> >> But Modern Jews and Christians forgot how to count to thirteen, and >> falsely >> say there was only twelve tribes equal to the twelve Apostles. >> >> Joseph had two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, so that any tribe not >> numbered >> among the twelve tribes was called the shepherd stone. >> >> Moses led with the tribe of Levi not numbered among the twelve >> >> Jesus as the Chief Apostle of Judah led not numbered among the twelve >> Apostles. >> >> Ephraim as the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, leads not >> numbered >> among the twelve. >> >> Dan leads not numbered among the twelve in revelations. >> >> Benjamin the fellowheir was given unto Judah as the South Kingdom called >> Judaea with Jerusalem as their capital. >> >> Ephraim was given ten tribes as the North Kingdom called Israel with >> Samaria >> as their capital. >> >> Those of the South Kingdom of Judaea were called Jews. >> >> Those of the North Kingdom of Israel were called Samaritans. >> >> The Kingdom was restored unto Jeudea, but not Israel. >> >> Acts 1 >> 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they >> should >> not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, >> said he, you have heard of me. >> 5 For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the >> Holy Spirit not many days hence. >> 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, >> Lord, >> will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? >> 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the >> seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. >> 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon >> you: >> and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, >> and >> in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. >> >> Behold O Samaritans, O Israel, this day the Kingdom is restored unto >> Israel >> from above. The mount of Edom being Esau will destroy the children of >> Judah >> like as foretold by the Prophet Obadiah. The house of Jacob shall be a >> fire >> and the house of Joseph a flame. >> >> Like Hitler, Bush is the Nazi Pope's puppet, the Pope praised him on his >> immigration stance, the Pope praised him on attacking Iraq, the Pope >> praised >> him on not withdrawing from Iraq, the Pope praised him on promoting the >> lie >> of Global warming being manmade, the Pope praised him on his G-8 >> accomplishments, the Pope praised him on keeping Africa on handouts >> instead >> of letting them develop so that they could get water and food for >> themselves, did you not know that the Pope John Paul the 2nd's 300,000 >> people in Iraq knew that there was no WMD there since 1993, but they >> passed >> on the lie about WMD to draw us into the War? Did you know that some of >> the >> associates of both Popes are funding all the different sides of the >> Middle >> East conflict, even in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, and >> Iran, and is stirring them up against one another so that his enemies >> will >> destroy each other? Did you know that the new Pope is helping to >> overthrow >> Russia's Government? Did you know the new Pope is urging the UN to set up >> a >> Global Communist Government? Did you know that the new Pope is >> intentionally >> promoting the lie about Global Warming being manmade? >> >> False Teachers say the scriptures teach that the covering is an actual >> physical covering and not Spirit Jehovah as their personal consoler and >> authority, or the covering of the authority of a man, and false teachers >> say >> a woman cannot teach even if she is under the authority of a man. >> >> 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as >> there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in >> damnable >> heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon >> themselves >> swift destruction. >> >> Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, says Jehovah, that take >> counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my >> spirit, that they may add sin to sin: >> >> >> 1 Corinthians 11 >> >> 1 Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. >> 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things, and >> keep >> the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. >> 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and >> the >> head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. >> 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors >> his >> head. >> 5 But every woman that praying or prophesying with her head uncovered >> dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. >> 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a >> shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. >> 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the >> image and glory of Godship: but the woman is the glory of the man. >> 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. >> 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. >> 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of >> the >> angels. >> 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman >> without the man, in the Lord. >> 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; >> but all things of God. >> 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God >> uncovered? >> 14 Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, >> it >> is a shame unto him? >> 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is >> given her for a covering. >> 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, >> neither >> the churches of God. >> 17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that you come >> together not for the better, but for the worse. >> 18 For first of all, when you come together in the church, I hear that >> there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. >> 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are >> approved >> may be made manifest among you. >> >> >> The marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism produces the Corporate >> Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, >> and >> is getting God and his followers falsely blamed for it. >> >> To be able to understand how the marriage of Spiritualism and >> Intellectualism is a marriage of false Religious beliefs and false >> Scientific theories, that result in producing the Corporate Giants that >> are >> using deception and causing the violence of the world, some research to >> find >> the original meanings of a few words and phrases, by Etymology, will be >> necessary. >> >> Because the plural Hebrew word Elohim was mistranslated as a singular >> "God," >> too many people do not realize that to walk with Jehovah and to walk with >> Elohim often mean walking with Jehovah by way of his Angels as >> messengers, >> but walking with Elohim can also mean walking with evil Spirits against >> Spirit Jehovah. "And said Elohim, man has become like one of US to know >> good >> and evil." >> >> When walking with either Spirit Jehovah and his good Angel Spirits, or >> walking with the Spirit Devil and his evil devil Spirits, that is >> Spiritualism, and is contrary to walking by Intellectualism, which is >> called >> walking by the flesh, because the carnal knowledge is manufactured by >> man's >> mind, and was not given to man by Spirit. Men and Women who get their >> Spiritual knowledge from either good or evil Elohim are called sons of >> Elohim, and Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by >> man's mind, are called daughters of men. When Men and Women who get their >> Spiritual knowledge from evil Elohim, and are called sons of Elohim, >> marry >> their Spiritual knowledge with the carnal knowledge of Men and Women who >> get >> their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, the results of the >> marriage produces Nephilim called Giants, or Corporate Giants, and their >> followers are congregations as offspring, that use deception and cause >> violence to spread across the face of the earth like in the days of Noah. >> >> Genesis 6 >> >> 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the >> earth, >> and daughters were born unto them, >> 2 That the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; >> and >> they took them wives of all which they chose. >> 3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that >> he >> also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. >> 4 There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, >> when >> the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare >> children >> to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. >> 5 And saw Jehovah that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, >> and >> that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil >> continually. >> 6 And it repented Jehovah that he had formed man on the earth, and it >> grieved him at his heart. >> 7 And said Jehovah, I will destroy man whom I have finished from the >> face >> of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls >> of >> the air; for I repent that I have formed them. >> 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah. >> 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in >> his >> generations, and Noah walked with Elohim. >> 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. >> 11 The earth also was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled >> with >> violence. >> 12 And Elohim looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for >> all >> flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. >> 13 And Elohim said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; >> for >> the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will >> destroy >> them with the earth. >> >> >> What is your Duty in service to God? What is your Duty in service to your >> Country? Is it to tell lies so you can help starve innocent people to >> death, so you can be made comfortable by the Coal and Oil you help them >> steal? >> >> Just like the Oil for Food program, all the Food and Aid programs set up >> by >> the UN are not feeding the poor well enough, they are being ripped off >> and >> starved to death. They do not help the Africans develop infrastructure so >> they can get water and food to feed themselves. They only give them >> handouts >> and keep them from developing to save the Coal and Oil for themselves. >> >> When I was in Europe, in the US Army as a Nuclear Biological and Chemical >> Warfare Instructor, and the Soviets were looking for a way to control the >> weather as a weapon, and they found it to be impossible for man to >> control >> the weather. I was in the US Army from 1976-1982, Margaret Thatcher >> invented >> the lie about Global Warming being manmade, so that she could try to get >> the >> leftwing environmentalists to support the use of Nuclear power, and for >> them >> to not own up to the truth, and use it as an excuse to keep undeveloped >> Countries from developing so that they can steal their Coal and Oil, is a >> conspiracy and Global Hoax, and they are pulling it off right in front of >> your eyes. >> >> Since Margaret Thatcher a whole community of Scientists dependant on >> Government Grants for their research, has been getting grants as long as >> they will support Margaret Thatcher's lies. >> >> >> Now that you have an eye witness telling you the truth about what is >> going >> on, are you going to help stop them from starving people to death in >> Africa >> so that they can get the Coal and Oil, like they did in Iraq before the >> Iraq >> War? >> >> Ephesians 2 >> 1 And you has he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; >> 2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, >> according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now >> works >> in the children of disobedience: >> 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts >> of >> our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were >> by >> nature the children of wrath, even as others. >> 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved >> us, >> 5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, >> (by grace you are saved;) >> 6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly >> places in Christ Jesus: >> 7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his >> grace >> in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. >> 8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: >> it >> is the gift of God: >> 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. >> 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, >> which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Some dumb guy" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message >> news:g1Fai.14412$rO7.9356@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... >>> Laura Bush wore a black veil to see the Pope. How will all the right >>> wing >>> fundie wackos who criticized Nancy Pelosi for wearing a headscarf in >>> Syria >>> react to this? >>> >>> >>> >>> "The first lady later wore a black suit and a veil covering her head for >>> the private audience with the pope." >>> >>> http://www.charlotte.com/121/story/153627.html >> >> How will the Jews react to their leader Bush, going to witches and >> warlocks >> like the witch of Endor who deceived their leaders Saul, and got Saul and >> his son, and many in Israel killed by the false prophecy from them who >> pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils >> to >> imitate the dead? >> >> With the doctrine of Limbo, Catholics were deceived by witches and >> warlocks >> who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit >> devils >> to imitate the dead. >> >> For unlike Peter who said David is dead, and his soul and body remains in >> the grave with us unto this day, the deceivers said those before Jesus >> remain in the graves in Limbo, but after Jesus their soul goes straight >> to >> heaven, which is a lie, for even the new testament records the first >> resurrection of the just, and the second resurrection of the unjust, and >> says that because there is no consciousness or awareness of time in the >> grave, it will seem like a moment of the twinkling of an eye, even though >> we >> may be in the grave ten thousand years before Jesus returns and >> resurrects >> us. >> >> But they falsely say that the dead go straight to heaven and will help >> the >> rest get there. "You are Gods, sons of the Most High!" But they strip the >> name Gods off the believers, so they may falsely say that they do not >> pray >> to and worship and serve other Gods. >> >> The Catholics, the Evangelicals, some of the Jews, and the Muslims, all >> believe the lie against the truth, and deny the resurrection of the just, >> and the resurrection of the unjust, because saying their souls go >> straight >> to heaven upon death, is saying the resurrection is past already. >> >> 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the >> resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. >> >> The reason that they cannot get the story of Global Warming straight now, >> is >> because for thousands of years by lies people have deliberately destroyed >> both the foundational principles of true Science, and the foundational >> principle of true Religion. The target now is true Christianity, so the >> Communists polarize an issue with multiple wrong sides to choose from, >> false >> Scientists and false Christians, and they will not let anyone who knows >> what >> is going on reveal the truth in the medias, only the two wrong sides have >> been permitted to speak against each other in the medias for a long time >> to >> brainwash the public. >> >> So since both the Scientific and the Religious nuts that they pitted one >> against the other, constantly overlook the natural facts and make up >> myths >> and superstitions to supersede the truth and contradict one another, it >> really don't matter which lie you teach the children, either way when it >> comes to how the earth and the moon and dinosaurs and man came about, the >> children will be blind bigoted illiterates when it comes to both >> Scientific >> and Religious matters on those subjects. >> >> Neither of them can understand that the natural facts and the scriptures >> point to the earth having been much bigger, with a greater gravitational >> pull until an enemy of God, in rebellion with one third of his angels >> caused >> earth to blow up and form the moon, while killing all life upon earth a >> little over 6000 years ago. The words mistranslated as "Jupiter," one >> originally "Zeus" originally meant, "the great father helped," and was in >> reference to the larger earth that blew up and produced this one, but the >> religious nuts say that Zeus was the Geek God, and the science nuts say >> it >> was the Romans Jupiter. And the other word mistranslated Jupiter is >> "diapetes," which originally meant "a fallen stone," this is what they >> called meteorites, but the religious say it was an object from heaven >> that >> the pagans worshipped. But in fact the one in Ephesus was known by the >> Greeks and the Romans to be a piece of the original earth that blew up, >> and >> finally fell back to earth like the multitude of fire and brimstone that >> often fell back to earth much later after it blew up. Paul warned Timothy >> about the opposition of science falsely so called, and both sides have >> been >> spinning lies against each other since before then. >> >> Our testamony that we received from above, not from a man, went out >> through >> the earth, who has believed our report? >> >> Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of >> doing >> some real honest and interesting and exciting research without >> deliberately >> fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a >> look >> at this and tell me what you think is right with it and why, and >> what you think is wrong with it, and why. >> >> Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and >> many >> different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides >> of >> both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of >> individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for >> clues, >> and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why >> things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade >> records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides >> of >> the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and >> some >> things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and >> objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of >> natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly >> tell >> me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three >> things >> you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it >> appears >> neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are >> mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And >> second, >> whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not >> fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the >> third, >> and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both >> sides, >> that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because >> both >> sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or >> facts, >> that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If >> you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall >> picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually >> happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and >> refine this overall view. >> >> According to all the NASA research, although they say about seven which >> could be, but say just over six thousand years ago a drastic natural >> change >> in Earth's climate occurred that took Earth from emerging from a strong >> Ice >> age, to a near vertical climb up to where Global temperature has been for >> all practical purposes, nearly level for the past just over six thousand >> years. How old was earth before then? I don't know, and none of these >> scientists or religious people seem to have an accurate scientific dating >> system, or an accurate recorded record, and each one varies as much as a >> 100 >> million years for the same rock, or the same piece of ice. >> >> But there is an obvious and recorded sound scientific reason for that >> drastic climate change from an ice age to where it is now, which NASA >> should >> have seen, but either just has not looked for it, or they can't believe >> what >> they see. Those craters on the Moon, how and when did they get there? You >> may be able to determine exactly how old the elements are on both the >> Earth >> and the Moon are, which according to every time I have seen, they are the >> exact same age, but how do you determine when those craters were made? >> Lets >> say for now, just a little over six thousand years ago, and I will show >> you >> why I believe that. Although some of their theories dream up the Idea >> that >> the Moon formed after breaking off the Earth, they cannot tell when that >> happened, and whether that is how it first formed, I am not sure if the >> Moon >> completely formed that way all at once, but if it happened just a little >> over six thousand years ago, that would make the elements of the Earth >> and >> the Moon still the same age even if they separated then. But for a long >> time >> before six thousand years ago, Earth's atmosphere was much more dense, >> and >> vegetation and sea creatures were much more abundant, why? Probably >> because >> of a greater gravitational pull by Earth, because if Earth had the matter >> that made the Moon or parts of it, Earth would have had a much greater >> mass >> than now, and a greater gravitational pull than now, and the atmosphere >> would be denser, so much denser it could block out so much sunlight, that >> nearly one third of the Earth was covered by glaciers like the evidence >> of >> the ice ages indicates. Then just a little over six thousand years ago, >> Earth blew up with such a massive explosion, massive fragments of the >> Earth >> made those craters on what is now our Moon, and may have even formed the >> Moon completely then, as other massive fragments of Earth and some water >> fell back into the waters on what was left of Earth. The impact was great >> enough on the Moon that it is to this day drifting just a little further >> from Earth each year, and the explosion had left pools of water and Earth >> fragments in a slow decaying orbit about Earth, and traces of water on >> the >> Moon, and there may even be traces of life that perished from Earth, >> carried >> by the fragments and left on the Moon by this. This water in orbit of >> Earth >> was above the firmament, and the waters below the firmament gathered >> together to form seas, as the dry land appeared. >> >> After the explosion just over six thousand years ago, every living thing >> on >> the Earth perished, and the smaller Earth left, had a less gravity, and >> less >> dense atmosphere, and less water. And the new plants and new sea >> creatures >> and the new animals and new man were all made with no evolutionary link >> between any of the former life forms that perished when Earth exploded. >> And >> from Adam on they lived 1665 years building stone and metal cities across >> the earth until the pools of water and Earth fragments began to fall from >> above the firmament, as the slow decaying orbit caused the Flood of Noah. >> When the waters receded off the land, all the land of Earth was one >> Continent for a little over a hundred years as man began to build >> populate >> new stone and metal cities, and when the Continents divided, possibly >> caused >> by slower larger decaying fragments of Earth, which the impact may have >> caused the continental divide dividing the new cities mostly between the >> two >> major east and west Continents, which resulted in the stone building >> cultures of Egypt and central America, as other smaller continents formed >> with few inhabitants while many of the old cities built before the flood >> sank into the oceans, and this caused the more than 600 stories about >> 4,200 >> years ago in different cultures that developed from the separated people >> that survived the continents dividing, and since then continental drift >> has >> been minor. Some slower larger decaying fragments of earth may have >> caused >> the smaller continental divides too, and some slower decaying fragments >> may >> have even destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. >> >> >> Now there are plenty of records of these old stone and metal cities being >> found under water, and though most people try to say they are around 6000 >> to >> 10,000 tears old, I believe all of them were began after Adam began 6000 >> years ago, when Adam's genealogy began, and many of them ancient cities >> were >> build before the flood, but though some sank immediately because of the >> flood, many actually sank a little later like described above, 4,200 >> years >> ago, and as Earth's new crust settled, many later individual cities also >> sank at various times. >> >> "Anthropology" comes from a Greek word "Anthropos," meaning "Manlike," >> not"Mankind" or "Man," and though mistranslated into English as "Man," >> it >> is used to refer to both Mankind and Angels together, even though that >> they >> arenot of the same species of life. According as it is written, "When I >> consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, >> which you had ordained, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and >> the >> son of man, that thou visits him? For you had made him a little lower >> than >> the angels, and had crowned him with glory and honor. You made him to >> have >> dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his >> feet." >> >> Here is more of the presented evidence that just proves the scriptures >> are >> telling the truth, and that Evolution is Pure Crap, and so is what most >> of >> these Scientists and Religious People are saying, because they are not >> saying what the scriptures truly say. >> >> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestHumanSkull.JPG >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/ManasOldasCoal.jpg >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Discoveries.jpg >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MoreFossils.jpg >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/HumanBrain.jpg >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/TestResults.jpg >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestTool.jpg >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Scorpion.jpg >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-013F.JPG >> http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-022S.JPG >> >> Manlike remains being buried that deep in layers of Coal, just proves the >> scriptures true,wherein it says that the old earth blew up, and came back >> down into the waters, killing all the manlike creatures and all the >> plants >> and animals upon the earth that was, before the Creator reformed this >> heavens and earth, and created the current plants and animals with no >> evolutionary link to those that perished, as he Created Adam with no >> evolutionary link to those manlike that perished, before he created and >> told >> Adam to replenish the earth. >> >> What the Scientists and Religious People miss altogether is that in >> Genesis >> 1, it was mistranslated into Latin, and then into other languages because >> of >> the Latin mistranslation. It originally said, "Within the chief woman's >> fruit finished Godship associate the heavens and associate the earth, and >> the earth class invisibleness and untenanted and darkness surface the >> wakes, >> and Spirit God from the brood surface the waters, and said Godship birth >> light, and birth light, and saw Godship associate the light the related >> good, and divided Godship among between the light, and among between the >> darkness, and called Godship the light day, and the darkness called >> night, >> and birth evening and birth morning day first." >> >> All the Godship in verse one was killed leaving but the Spirit of God in >> verse 2, and he resurrected them as they rose saying birth light, and >> those >> that did birth light became angels of light, and those that did not birth >> light became angels of darkness, for Lucifer's name meant light bearer, >> but >> when he rose against the Most High, he became the murder from the >> beginning >> as all perished in his attempted overthrow of the Most High, and these >> are >> but shadows of prophecy of the end, as the resurrection of the light >> foretells of the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the >> darkness foretells of the resurrection of the unjust, when with the sound >> of >> rushing mighty wind, the heavens and earth burst into a flame of fire, >> melting even the elements thereof. >> >> But all the scientists and all these Creationalist Christians all cast >> off >> that the former heaven and earth perished, and that this one was formed >> upon >> the debris, so that there is no evolutionary link to the life forms that >> all >> perished on the former earth, and those that were created in the days of >> Adam when was told to replenish the new earth. >> >> Our earth's center core is solid with a molten layer around it, some say >> it >> is mostly Nickel with a lot of Iron that give earth it's magnetic field. >> But >> the core and the molten layer is in reality a mix of all the Natural >> Isotopes that the molten layer is constantly sorting out. >> >> If you read some of my posts, I mentioned how star and planets blow up in >> nature, because of the molten elements around a solid core. >> >> The centrifuge effect caused by the planet's or star's rotation on and >> axis, >> and the gravitational pull can separate out layers of Isotopes in the >> molten >> elements around the solid core, sometimes as radioactive Isotope layers >> build up, the chain reaction occurs slow enough to just make the molten >> layer hotter, other times the radioactive Isotope layers build up so >> fast, >> it causes a super nova, or an exploding planet like what you see left in >> the >> van halen asteroid belt, and like when the devil caused the earth and >> planets and the stars to blow up before as he became the murderer from >> the >> beginning. >> >> "That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the >> holy >> prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and >> Savior: >> Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, >> walking >> after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? >> for >> since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the >> beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that >> by >> the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of >> the >> water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed >> with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by >> the >> same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of >> judgment >> and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one >> thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand >> years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some >> men >> count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any >> should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the >> Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall >> pass >> away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, >> the >> earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing >> then >> that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye >> to >> be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto >> the >> coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be >> dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless >> we, >> according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein >> dwells righteousness." >> >> 2 Peter 3:2-13 >> >> >> Before plants and animals grew in abundance and lived and died and began >> making Tar, Coal, and Oil, and when the earth blew up killing the >> remainder >> of them, it buried all the former plants and animals, and that is where >> we >> got a lot of our Coal and Oil. >> >> The Communists were Atheists making a show of supporting the free >> exercise >> of Religious faith, while substituting Government secular law as if it >> were >> Religious principle, that outlawed the free exercise of Religious faith. >> >> >> >> Like in the days of Noah, the Most High God of heaven and Earth has >> warned >> the whole Earth of a Global Climate change that the Devil as the >> unbelievers' God shall bring upon the Earth, to deceive and kill all who >> believe not the love and the truth revealed by the Most High God, so that >> they might be saved from the perils yet to come pass. >> >> But instead of preparing multiple waters sources to save crops, cattle, >> and >> people, they divert the recourses for their own financial gains, while >> building massive water reservoirs, where each reservoir, waters a massive >> population that will be endangered if and when a local flood washes >> poisons >> into their local reservoir, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to be >> come sick and or die, and or if and when a local drought comes their >> local >> reservoir will run short of water, causing many crops, cattle, and >> people, >> to thirsts to death, so that they may come and take their lands and >> possessions for themselves. >> >> The Hebrew word "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," in Hosea, comes from >> the >> Hebrew word "Yada," which is mistranslated as "knew from Yada," but is >> rightfully used as "acquainted" in, "Adam acquainted his wife again, and >> she >> bare a son," and "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," is rightfully used >> as >> "acquaintance," in Hosea. >> >> Hosea 4:6 >> >> "My people are destroyed for lack of acquaintance, because you have >> rejected >> my acquaintance, I will also reject you, so that you shall become no >> priest >> to me, seeing you have forgotten the personal directions from your God, I >> will also forget your children." >> >> They do not understand that following their own political and scientific >> and >> religious doctrines whereby they measure right from wrong, and reprove >> and >> approve and or condemn one another, are lies that corrupts and blinds >> their >> hearts from being acquainted with Jehovah, and when they become >> unacquainted >> with Jehovah, then they and their wives and children begin to heed more >> and >> more deceitful lies and begin to commit adultery, it is not the adultery >> that separates them from Jehovah, it is their being unacquainted with him >> by >> heeding their doctrines that causes the adultery and eventually >> homosexuality and endless debates and endless multitudes of deceitful >> doctrines that results in fraud and thefts and starvations and murders of >> the innocent whom they falsely claim that they are exercising justice >> upon. >> Jehovah does not speak condemnation to destroy them, but in love with all >> mankind he reveals the truth to try to turn both the wicked and the >> righteous continuously back to him so that they will not perish if they >> hearken unto him, and only those too stubborn to turn at his loving >> reproof, >> drive on until they bring upon themselves their own self-destruction. >> >> Ezekiel 3:16-21 >> >> "And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of Jehovah >> came >> unto me, saying, Son of man, I have made you a watchman unto the house of >> Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from >> me. >> When I say unto the wicked, you shall surely die; and you give him not >> the >> warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his >> life; >> the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I >> require >> at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his >> wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but >> you >> have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his >> righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before >> him, >> he shall die: because you have not given him the warning, he shall die in >> his sin, and his righteousness which he had done shall not be remembered; >> but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the >> righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he does not sin, he shall >> surely live, because he is warned; also you have delivered your soul." >> >> >> Like as written, "there shall be famine and droughts in diverse places," >> and >> again it is written, "there shall be tempests and earthquakes in diverse >> places," but the deceivers will falsely claim that the Most High God is >> sending these perils upon mankind as punishment for their sins, so that >> they >> may justify themselves for not giving financial or physical aid to them >> that >> the Devil as their deceiving God is destroying, so that they may take >> their >> possessions after their destruction, for they are alike the thief who >> comes >> not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy, while they acquainted >> with >> the Most high God, are come so that those that believe the truth from him >> may live and live life more abundantly. >> >> For those who have become unacquainted with him and his truth, are they >> who >> have fallen away from the truth, and being disobedient to the truth, the >> Devil as their God of the World, sends them strong delusion, so that they >> will believe the lie, so that they all may be damned who believed not the >> truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. For with the Devil as their >> head, they are like one man of iniquity that follows him and his >> multitude >> of lies designed to cause confusion, as his greedy followers dare to even >> do >> his evil works in the names of the Most High God. >> >> They scream, "believe God's only begotten son," not even knowing the >> truth >> that the word "only" is mistranslated, because as it is written, "behold >> what manner of love that the father has bestowed upon us that we should >> be >> called the sons of God," and again according as it is written, "He came >> unto >> his own, and his own received him not, but as many as received him, to >> them >> gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his >> name, which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of >> the will of man, but of God." Being born again from above God has more >> than >> one begotten son. But Jesus as his Seed, which the word "Seed" is >> translated >> from the Greek word "sperma" from which we get the English word "sperm." >> Jesus is our Creator's sperm uniquely begotten in a virgin who was from >> the >> loins of David, so that she being from the loins of Judah, would bring >> forth >> as the promised Salvation from the loins of Judah. And all that >> personally >> believe our omnipresent Creator being acquainted with him, and receive >> his >> non omnipresent uniquely begotten son as his promised Salvation from the >> loins Judah, as the inheritance of the promised heir by birthright of the >> house of Israel from the loins of Joseph, and as the commonwealth of all >> Israel, he gives them the authority to become sons of God. >> >> >> For he says in Psalms, "You are Gods, sons of the Most High." And his >> uniquely begotten son says in John, "for he if he called them Gods unto >> whom >> the word of God came, the scriptures cannot be broken." But the >> unbelievers >> strip the name Gods off the sons of God, and some even falsely call them >> false prophets whom the word of God never came to, Gods, just because >> they >> quote scriptures in order to deceive. But mostly they strip the name Gods >> off the true believers so that they may falsely accuse them of claiming >> to >> be God, as they oppose and exalt themselves upon all that they persecute >> and >> kill, whom are the true believers called Gods, that the deceivers >> persecute >> and kill in the name of the Most High God. >> >> 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 was deliberately mistranslated so that they may >> lie, >> and oppose and exalt themselves upon all that is called God, or worships. >> Here I give a more accurate translation of the ancient Greek and Aramaic. >> >> "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Adown Jesus Christ, >> and >> by our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, >> or >> be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as >> that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: >> for >> that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that >> man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts >> himself >> upon all that is called God, or worships, likening him unto the temple of >> Godship alike God sits, revealing himself related exists God. Remember >> you >> not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you >> know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the >> mystery >> of iniquity does already work, only he who now lets will let, until he be >> taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the >> Adown >> shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the >> brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of >> Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all >> deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they >> received >> not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause >> their God shall send them strong delusion, so that they should believe a >> lie, so that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had >> pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks always to >> God >> for you, brethren beloved of the Adown, because God has from the >> beginning >> chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief >> of >> the truth." >> >> Jeremiah 2:11-14 >> >> "Has a nation changed their Gods, which are yet not Gods? But my people >> have >> changed their glory for that which does not profit. Be astonished, O you >> heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be you very desolate, says >> Jehovah, for my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me >> the >> fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, >> that can hold no water, is Israel a servant? Is he a homeborn slave? Why >> is >> he spoiled?" >> >> These Jewish and Christian end time nuts that claim that they have to >> starve >> and or kill people, and take the so called Holy Land for Israel because >> they >> have to rebuild the Temple of Solomon before the Messiah can come or >> return, >> they are the antichrists that deceived the whole world, and will destroy >> anyone's credit, and not let anyone they disapprove of, buy and or sell, >> as >> they make manmade famines to starve people to death, and they make War >> commanding fire to fall from heaven in the sight of all men, at will, and >> the mark of the beast, 666, means that they do these works by their our >> soul's imagination, as with their lips they profess God, but they are not >> acquainted with him and do none of his works, and they kill the living >> temple of God caught between them in all of their deliberately confusing >> conflicts built upon lies. >> >> For the Creator laid his uniquely begotten son as the foundation stone of >> the new Temple, as the new covenant, and they cannot tell the difference >> between the Creator and his son, and they cannot tell that the most high >> does not dwell in Temples made by hands, for them acquainted with the >> omnipresent Creator believe his voice, and they receive his >> non-omnipresent >> son as the promised Salvation, and they become living stones of the true >> holy Temple wherein the most high dwells. >> >> But those deceivers build temples with their hands and worship the works >> of >> their hands, as they persecute and kill the living temple of God. >> >> 1 Corinthians 3:16 -17 "Know you not that you are the temple of God, and >> that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defile the temple of >> God, >> him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you >> are." >> >> How shall they know what time it is for anything done under the sun if >> they >> are not acquainted with the Spirit of God our Creator? For his son's >> return >> is not known by the son nor the angels of God, but is known by the father >> alone. >> >> Who can interpret dreams and visions by the Spirit within due time and >> season? Is it Plagiarism of another man's works, since it is just a few >> quoted verses, or is it God-breathed by Spirit within due time and >> season? >> Yep, you will be the judge, and if my words are God-breathed by Spirit >> within due time and season, within the due time and season of that last >> day, >> my word will be the judge of you, whether you be good or evil, and if I >> have >> spoken presumptuously, in that last day your words may be the judge of >> me! >> >> >> >> "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the >> heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time >> to >> pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a >> time >> to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to >> laugh; >> a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a >> time >> to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from >> embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time >> to >> cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and >> a >> time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a >> time >> of peace." >> >> >> >> "A time to scatter, and a time to gather." >> >> >> >> When I was in King's County, Seattle Washington, I was yet homeless, so I >> bought a van from the Taproot Theater, and I made my bed there, and I >> slept >> until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my >> bed, >> and I found myself in a vision, and behold earth was no more, and heaven >> was >> open, and the Son of David appeared within the cloud, standing with a >> clean >> shaven face, having longer than shoulder length hair, wearing a one piece >> white robe, standing head and shoulders above Joseph, holding Joseph >> about >> the waist with his two arms crossed about the midst of Joseph's back, >> holding him with Joseph's face and his two arms hidden, as Joseph rest >> his >> bald head upon the breast of the Son of David, standing with his two legs >> hidden behind Joseph's two legs and two feet that hung below the cloud, >> and >> Joseph was dressed in a two part garment, a blue shirt that covered his >> trunk, and blue pants that covered his hind parts down unto his two white >> tennis shoes. And when I saw the vision, I cried out, "Ok, where is God?" >> When all of a sudden I realized that it was I that Jesus was holding >> within >> the vision, as I rest my head and hid my face upon his breast, and I >> found >> myself within the vision within invisibleness in all directions, and then >> I >> realized, God can be seen by nobody at any time, and within him within >> every >> time we all dwell, and within every time the Word which became flesh >> within >> due time and season, is always revealed within the bosom of the Father, >> and >> they declare one the other. And then I found myself upon my bed, resting >> in, >> and rejoicing within the Father of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of >> Prophecy. >> >> >> >> And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought >> from >> the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place >> left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and >> there >> appeared a great field of well kept grass, and the Spirit laid me upon >> the >> grass of Ephraim, and I looked unto the south, and there was a well built >> red barn with white trim, and behold the barn leaned southward ready to >> fall, and I cried out, "I am a carpenter, I can raise it up again!" And >> the >> Spirit caught me up and carried me northward and laid me upon the grass >> the >> grass of Ephraim, next to a rock wall that enclosed the grass field, with >> a >> great grove of trees within the midst, and amidst the grove of trees >> there >> was a well built rock farmhouse, and when I saw it, I cried out, "Maybe I >> should redeem it for my own!" When the Spirit picked me up and carried me >> straight through the wall of the rock farmhouse, and when inside the >> women >> with long hair that were bent over searching their baggage, stopped >> searching and stood up next to their baggage, and they all looked up at >> me >> expecting to receive something. Hear O Israel, within my body as cup, the >> Father has always been there, and he sent his Son within as my cup, my >> silver cup whereby I drink and divine, Says Jehovah of hosts. "Open your >> mouths wide and breath in, and I will fill it, and there will be no >> strange >> God within you, I am Jehovah that delivered Israel from the land of >> Egypt." >> And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the >> Redeemer of Israel, Jehovah of hosts whom Redeemed us all by the blood of >> our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. >> >> >> >> And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought >> from >> the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke within a >> vision >> as the Spirit laid me upon the sand of the holy hill Zion, and to the >> south >> standing upon the sand, the right bare foot and leg of the Angel that >> stood >> so tall that is all I could see of him, and to the north where his left >> leg >> should be, there grew up out of the sand a great thorn bush that grew so >> tall I could not see the top, and when I looked at the trunk, a great >> scroll >> rolled out of the trunk of the thorn bush, and when I leaned to look into >> the scroll, the thorn bush and the scroll burst into flames but burned >> not, >> and the flames entered my face and caused it to shine. And I found myself >> upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within Jehovah whom reveled the >> thorn >> bush of Moses, and the Angel that dwelt within it for Joseph, the heir by >> birthright of the house of Israel, for he has revealed the holy hill Zion >> to >> the heir by birthright within his due time and season, to restore the >> Kingdom unto Israel, and reconcile all unto Jehovah, by the King of the >> house of David, unto whom was given the tribe of Benjamin our Fellowheir, >> unto whom the Gentiles were given as Fellowheirs. >> >> >> >> I entered the house to hear the word of Jehovah, and I sat next to the >> east >> wall, and when I heard of David hiding within the woods as the minister >> stood up yelling, "who can tell when Joseph will rise up?" As the window >> of >> heaven open, and the house became filled with the darkness of the night, >> and >> there appeared a great field within amidst the darkness of the night, and >> amidst the field appeared a huddle of five men all dressed the same, all >> wearing black sackcloth under their skin, all bent down working upon the >> same thing, and suddenly there blew down out of the north a great >> whirling >> wind, with whirling two edged tongues that swill down upon them, as >> Joseph >> began to rise up over them eating hand to mouth cleaning and shaving his >> face, as the four men rose up and began to scatter southward like drunken >> men, as the great whirling wind chased them with no place to hide within >> all >> the earth, as they weep and howled for the misery that came upon them, >> and >> one of them came running up to me weeping and howling as their name, >> Belial, >> appeared within his fore head, and Joseph in the vision began to turn his >> back upon the and first turned westward and stood upon his two feet, and >> then he turned northward and walked up north and stood in fear and >> tremble >> looking up northward as a two edged tail of the great whirling wind swirl >> about the crown of his bald head, and began filling him on the inside >> from >> the crown of his bald head down unto his feet, until he was the fullest >> filled. Like Joseph saw himself within the visions, so did I, and Jehovah >> and the Lord Jesus are about to bring this one to pass. The men of Belial >> are religious people that are not acquainted with Jehovah or his Son >> Jesus. >> >> >> If they would have dad an earth-asteroid collision defense system set up >> by >> these incompetent greedy fools among the democrats and republicans and >> UN, >> humanity in all probability would not have survived. >> >> >> Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of >> doing >> some real honest and interesting and exciting research without >> deliberately >> fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? >> >> Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it, and why, >> and >> what you think is wrong with it, and why. >> >> Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and >> many >> different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides >> of >> both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of >> individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for >> clues, >> and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why >> things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade >> records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides >> of >> the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and >> some >> things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and >> objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of >> natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly >> tell >> me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three >> things >> you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it >> appears >> neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are >> mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And >> second, >> whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not >> fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the >> third, >> and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both >> sides, >> that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because >> both >> sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or >> facts, >> that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If >> you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall >> picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually >> happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and >> refine this overall view. I am just sharing a little of what I know about >> it, to see where each of you will try to go with it, for a lot of you i >> believe I that already know where that will be. >> >> In service of God and Country >> >> Joseph >> > > > > Quote
Guest Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 Another thing that I learned from the Eskimos in Alaska, as a chunk of a Glacier was sliding down a mountain and frozen meat of an animal was revealed, they took it and were thawing it out and eating it. A US science team asked them where they got these huge chunks of meat, and when the science team looked, it was an extinct Wooly Mammoth that still had grass in it's mouth. The Poles shifted location real fast after the flood of Noah at least twice, due to dramatic continental drift. So it was impossible for these so called scientists to drill into so called 600 thousand year old ice to find a CO2 record that old. I don't believe the Wooly Mammoth are related at all to the ancient elephant types that were killed when the earth blew up before Adam. But I believe they are related to the Asian Elephants, and died when the continents suddenly shift location causing their grassy plains and mountain bluffs to suddenly freeze in a much earlier cooling period than the Viking period, somewhere between 3000 to 4200 years ago. http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i3/mammoth.asp Etymology is the study of the origins and original meaning of words. And originally I was just researching the meanings of words from five languages, when I found out that in the 1000 to 1500s, because people believed that the world was flat, and Hebrew had become an unspoken language in 250 AD, in 1000 to 1500 AD, they began redefining the Hebrew words according to their own understanding in their languages, and I found that they were getting the new meanings from Latin since about 400 AD. The German and English Bibles were translated in the 1400 to 1500s with the meanings of the Hebrew words described in Latin, not Hebrew. The Latin uses "creavit" for a Hebrew word "bara" that meant "finished," not "created," and Latin uses "firmamentum " for a Hebrew word "raqiya" that meant "sphere," not "firmament or expanse." But one branch of German uses the word "scuf," for "bara" which translators now say means "created," but it was passed into old Saxton as "scuff," where a woodworker "scuff the final cuts of the wood with a fine grinding stone." And the old Saxton word became the English word "scuff." Like today the last thing we do to some new bowling balls to give them traction, we "scuff or finish the surface of the new ball with fine cuts from sand paper." The Hebrew word "bara" that it was translated from is also mistranslated in Ezekiel 23:47 as, " dispatch them with their swords." It should be, "finish them with their swords." After Hebrew became a spoken language again in the 1800s, they wrongly describe the firmament as a dome or expanse, like as if the world were flat. It should have been described as a sphere, like our atmosphere about the earth, with water beyond it, and water submerged among it, and the water submerged among the sphere gathered together to form seas and let dry land appear. Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for clues, and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides of the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and some things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly tell me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it appears neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the third, and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and refine this overall view. According to all the NASA research, although they say about seven which could be, but say just over six thousand years ago a drastic natural change in Earth's climate occurred that took Earth from emerging from a strong Ice age, to a near vertical climb up to where Global temperature has been for all practical purposes, nearly level for the past just over six thousand years. How old was earth before then? I don't know, and none of these scientists or religious people seem to have an accurate scientific dating system, or an accurate recorded record, and each one varies as much as a 100 million years for the same rock, or the same piece of ice. But there is an obvious and recorded sound scientific reason for that drastic climate change from an ice age to where it is now, which NASA should have seen, but either just has not looked for it, or they can't believe what they see. Those craters on the Moon, how and when did they get there? You may be able to determine exactly how old the elements are on both the Earth and the Moon are, which according to every time I have seen, they are the exact same age, but how do you determine when those craters were made? Lets say for now, just a little over six thousand years ago, and I will show you why I believe that. Although some of their theories dream up the Idea that the Moon formed after breaking off the Earth, they cannot tell when that happened, and whether that is how it first formed, I am not sure if the Moon completely formed that way all at once, but if it happened just a little over six thousand years ago, that would make the elements of the Earth and the Moon still the same age even if they separated then. But for a long time before six thousand years ago, Earth's atmosphere was much more dense, and vegetation and sea creatures were much more abundant, why? Probably because of a greater gravitational pull by Earth, because if Earth had the matter that made the Moon or parts of it, Earth would have had a much greater mass than now, and a greater gravitational pull than now, and the atmosphere would be denser, so much denser it could block out so much sunlight, that nearly one third of the Earth was covered by glaciers like the evidence of the ice ages indicates. Then just a little over six thousand years ago, Earth blew up with such a massive explosion, massive fragments of the Earth made those craters on what is now our Moon, and may have even formed the Moon completely then, as other massive fragments of Earth and some water fell back into the waters on what was left of Earth. The impact was great enough on the Moon that it is to this day drifting just a little further from Earth each year, and the explosion had left pools of water and Earth fragments in a slow decaying orbit about Earth, and traces of water on the Moon, and there may even be traces of life that perished from Earth, carried by the fragments and left on the Moon by this. This water in orbit of Earth was above the firmament, and the waters below the firmament gathered together to form seas, as the dry land appeared. After the explosion just over six thousand years ago, every living thing on the Earth perished, and the smaller Earth left, had a less gravity, and less dense atmosphere, and less water. And the new plants and new sea creatures and the new animals and new man were all made with no evolutionary link between any of the former life forms that perished when Earth exploded. And from Adam on they lived 1665 years building stone and metal cities across the earth until the pools of water and Earth fragments began to fall from above the firmament, as the slow decaying orbit caused the Flood of Noah. When the waters receded off the land, all the land of Earth was one Continent for a little over a hundred years as man began to build populate new stone and metal cities, and when the Continents divided, possibly caused by slower larger decaying fragments of Earth, which the impact may have caused the continental divide dividing the new cities mostly between the two major east and west Continents, which resulted in the stone building cultures of Egypt and central America, as other smaller continents formed with few inhabitants while many of the old cities built before the flood sank into the oceans, and this caused the more than 600 stories about 4,200 years ago in different cultures that developed from the separated people that survived the continents dividing, and since then continental drift has been minor. Some slower larger decaying fragments of earth may have caused the smaller continental divides too, and some slower decaying fragments may have even destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Now there are plenty of records of these old stone and metal cities being found under water, and though most people try to say they are around 6000 to 10,000 tears old, I believe all of them were began after Adam began 6000 years ago, when Adam's genealogy began, and many of them ancient cities were build before the flood, but though some sank immediately because of the flood, many actually sank a little later like described above, 4,200 years ago, and as Earth's new crust settled, many later individual cities also sank at various times. Oh my God they say the ice caps are melting five times faster than they thought! When the Vikings in 800 to 1300 AD were farming Greenland and theNorth American Artic land where there are Glacers today, it was warmer thenthan now, and that means there was less ice caps then than now. So how didthese so called scientists drill into 600 thousand years of Ice that did not exist? The Global Cooling killed off the Viking Conquest of North America, it is about time the climate got back to normal. What is crazy after the Global Cooling many People think they are good Samaritans, and don't even know what it meant to be a Samaritan, and what else is crazy about it, George Washington wanted thirteen Stars of David on the flag to represent the thirteen Colonies, that represented the thirteen tribes of Israel. But Modern Jews and Christians forgot how to count to thirteen, and falsely say there was only twelve tribes equal to the twelve Apostles. Joseph had two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, so that any tribe not numbered among the twelve tribes was called the shepherd stone. Moses led with the tribe of Levi not numbered among the twelve Jesus as the Chief Apostle of Judah led not numbered among the twelve Apostles. Ephraim as the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, leads not numbered among the twelve. Dan leads not numbered among the twelve in revelations. Benjamin the fellowheir was given unto Judah as the South Kingdom called Judaea with Jerusalem as their capital. Ephraim was given ten tribes as the North Kingdom called Israel with Samaria as their capital. Those of the South Kingdom of Judaea were called Jews. Those of the North Kingdom of Israel were called Samaritans. The Kingdom was restored unto Jeudea, but not Israel. Acts 1 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, you have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Behold O Samaritans, O Israel, this day the Kingdom is restored unto Israel from above. The mount of Edom being Esau will destroy the children of Judah like as foretold by the Prophet Obadiah. The house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Joseph a flame. Like Hitler, Bush is the Nazi Pope's puppet, the Pope praised him on his immigration stance, the Pope praised him on attacking Iraq, the Pope praised him on not withdrawing from Iraq, the Pope praised him on promoting the lie of Global warming being manmade, the Pope praised him on his G-8 accomplishments, the Pope praised him on keeping Africa on handouts instead of letting them develop so that they could get water and food for themselves, did you not know that the Pope John Paul the 2nd's 300,000 people in Iraq knew that there was no WMD there since 1993, but they passed on the lie about WMD to draw us into the War? Did you know that some of the associates of both Popes are funding all the different sides of the Middle East conflict, even in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran, and is stirring them up against one another so that his enemies will destroy each other? Did you know that the new Pope is helping to overthrow Russia's Government? Did you know the new Pope is urging the UN to set up a Global Communist Government? Did you know that the new Pope is intentionally promoting the lie about Global Warming being manmade? False Teachers say the scriptures teach that the covering is an actual physical covering and not Spirit Jehovah as their personal consoler and authority, or the covering of the authority of a man, and false teachers say a woman cannot teach even if she is under the authority of a man. 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, says Jehovah, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: 1 Corinthians 11 1 Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman that praying or prophesying with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of Godship: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. 17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that you come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. The marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism produces the Corporate Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, and is getting God and his followers falsely blamed for it. To be able to understand how the marriage of Spiritualism and Intellectualism is a marriage of false Religious beliefs and false Scientific theories, that result in producing the Corporate Giants that are using deception and causing the violence of the world, some research to find the original meanings of a few words and phrases, by Etymology, will be necessary. Because the plural Hebrew word Elohim was mistranslated as a singular "God," too many people do not realize that to walk with Jehovah and to walk with Elohim often mean walking with Jehovah by way of his Angels as messengers, but walking with Elohim can also mean walking with evil Spirits against Spirit Jehovah. "And said Elohim, man has become like one of US to know good and evil." When walking with either Spirit Jehovah and his good Angel Spirits, or walking with the Spirit Devil and his evil devil Spirits, that is Spiritualism, and is contrary to walking by Intellectualism, which is called walking by the flesh, because the carnal knowledge is manufactured by man's mind, and was not given to man by Spirit. Men and Women who get their Spiritual knowledge from either good or evil Elohim are called sons of Elohim, and Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, are called daughters of men. When Men and Women who get their Spiritual knowledge from evil Elohim, and are called sons of Elohim, marry their Spiritual knowledge with the carnal knowledge of Men and Women who get their carnal knowledge manufactured by man's mind, the results of the marriage produces Nephilim called Giants, or Corporate Giants, and their followers are congregations as offspring, that use deception and cause violence to spread across the face of the earth like in the days of Noah. Genesis 6 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And saw Jehovah that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented Jehovah that he had formed man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And said Jehovah, I will destroy man whom I have finished from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for I repent that I have formed them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with Elohim. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And Elohim looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And Elohim said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. What is your Duty in service to God? What is your Duty in service to your Country? Is it to tell lies so you can help starve innocent people to death, so you can be made comfortable by the Coal and Oil you help them steal? Just like the Oil for Food program, all the Food and Aid programs set up by the UN are not feeding the poor well enough, they are being ripped off and starved to death. They do not help the Africans develop infrastructure so they can get water and food to feed themselves. They only give them handouts and keep them from developing to save the Coal and Oil for themselves. When I was in Europe, in the US Army as a Nuclear Biological and Chemical Warfare Instructor, and the Soviets were looking for a way to control the weather as a weapon, and they found it to be impossible for man to control the weather. I was in the US Army from 1976-1982, Margaret Thatcher invented the lie about Global Warming being manmade, so that she could try to get the leftwing environmentalists to support the use of Nuclear power, and for them to not own up to the truth, and use it as an excuse to keep undeveloped Countries from developing so that they can steal their Coal and Oil, is a conspiracy and Global Hoax, and they are pulling it off right in front of your eyes. Since Margaret Thatcher a whole community of Scientists dependant on Government Grants for their research, has been getting grants as long as they will support Margaret Thatcher's lies. Now that you have an eye witness telling you the truth about what is going on, are you going to help stop them from starving people to death in Africa so that they can get the Coal and Oil, like they did in Iraq before the Iraq War? Ephesians 2 1 And you has he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, (by grace you are saved;) 6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. "Some dumb guy" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message news:g1Fai.14412$rO7.9356@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > Laura Bush wore a black veil to see the Pope. How will all the right wing > fundie wackos who criticized Nancy Pelosi for wearing a headscarf in Syria > react to this? > > > > "The first lady later wore a black suit and a veil covering her head for > the private audience with the pope." > > http://www.charlotte.com/121/story/153627.html How will the Jews react to their leader Bush, going to witches and warlocks like the witch of Endor who deceived their leaders Saul, and got Saul and his son, and many in Israel killed by the false prophecy from them who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils to imitate the dead? With the doctrine of Limbo, Catholics were deceived by witches and warlocks who pretend to be necromancers while using deceiving Familiar Spirit devils to imitate the dead. For unlike Peter who said David is dead, and his soul and body remains in the grave with us unto this day, the deceivers said those before Jesus remain in the graves in Limbo, but after Jesus their soul goes straight to heaven, which is a lie, for even the new testament records the first resurrection of the just, and the second resurrection of the unjust, and says that because there is no consciousness or awareness of time in the grave, it will seem like a moment of the twinkling of an eye, even though we may be in the grave ten thousand years before Jesus returns and resurrects us. But they falsely say that the dead go straight to heaven and will help the rest get there. "You are Gods, sons of the Most High!" But they strip the name Gods off the believers, so they may falsely say that they do not pray to and worship and serve other Gods. The Catholics, the Evangelicals, some of the Jews, and the Muslims, all believe the lie against the truth, and deny the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the unjust, because saying their souls go straight to heaven upon death, is saying the resurrection is past already. 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. The reason that they cannot get the story of Global Warming straight now, is because for thousands of years by lies people have deliberately destroyed both the foundational principles of true Science, and the foundational principle of true Religion. The target now is true Christianity, so the Communists polarize an issue with multiple wrong sides to choose from, false Scientists and false Christians, and they will not let anyone who knows what is going on reveal the truth in the medias, only the two wrong sides have been permitted to speak against each other in the medias for a long time to brainwash the public. So since both the Scientific and the Religious nuts that they pitted one against the other, constantly overlook the natural facts and make up myths and superstitions to supersede the truth and contradict one another, it really don't matter which lie you teach the children, either way when it comes to how the earth and the moon and dinosaurs and man came about, the children will be blind bigoted illiterates when it comes to both Scientific and Religious matters on those subjects. Neither of them can understand that the natural facts and the scriptures point to the earth having been much bigger, with a greater gravitational pull until an enemy of God, in rebellion with one third of his angels caused earth to blow up and form the moon, while killing all life upon earth a little over 6000 years ago. The words mistranslated as "Jupiter," one originally "Zeus" originally meant, "the great father helped," and was in reference to the larger earth that blew up and produced this one, but the religious nuts say that Zeus was the Geek God, and the science nuts say it was the Romans Jupiter. And the other word mistranslated Jupiter is "diapetes," which originally meant "a fallen stone," this is what they called meteorites, but the religious say it was an object from heaven that the pagans worshipped. But in fact the one in Ephesus was known by the Greeks and the Romans to be a piece of the original earth that blew up, and finally fell back to earth like the multitude of fire and brimstone that often fell back to earth much later after it blew up. Paul warned Timothy about the opposition of science falsely so called, and both sides have been spinning lies against each other since before then. Our testamony that we received from above, not from a man, went out through the earth, who has believed our report? Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing some real honest and interesting and exciting research without deliberately fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it and why, and what you think is wrong with it, and why. Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for clues, and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides of the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and some things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly tell me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it appears neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the third, and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and refine this overall view. According to all the NASA research, although they say about seven which could be, but say just over six thousand years ago a drastic natural change in Earth's climate occurred that took Earth from emerging from a strong Ice age, to a near vertical climb up to where Global temperature has been for all practical purposes, nearly level for the past just over six thousand years. How old was earth before then? I don't know, and none of these scientists or religious people seem to have an accurate scientific dating system, or an accurate recorded record, and each one varies as much as a 100 million years for the same rock, or the same piece of ice. But there is an obvious and recorded sound scientific reason for that drastic climate change from an ice age to where it is now, which NASA should have seen, but either just has not looked for it, or they can't believe what they see. Those craters on the Moon, how and when did they get there? You may be able to determine exactly how old the elements are on both the Earth and the Moon are, which according to every time I have seen, they are the exact same age, but how do you determine when those craters were made? Lets say for now, just a little over six thousand years ago, and I will show you why I believe that. Although some of their theories dream up the Idea that the Moon formed after breaking off the Earth, they cannot tell when that happened, and whether that is how it first formed, I am not sure if the Moon completely formed that way all at once, but if it happened just a little over six thousand years ago, that would make the elements of the Earth and the Moon still the same age even if they separated then. But for a long time before six thousand years ago, Earth's atmosphere was much more dense, and vegetation and sea creatures were much more abundant, why? Probably because of a greater gravitational pull by Earth, because if Earth had the matter that made the Moon or parts of it, Earth would have had a much greater mass than now, and a greater gravitational pull than now, and the atmosphere would be denser, so much denser it could block out so much sunlight, that nearly one third of the Earth was covered by glaciers like the evidence of the ice ages indicates. Then just a little over six thousand years ago, Earth blew up with such a massive explosion, massive fragments of the Earth made those craters on what is now our Moon, and may have even formed the Moon completely then, as other massive fragments of Earth and some water fell back into the waters on what was left of Earth. The impact was great enough on the Moon that it is to this day drifting just a little further from Earth each year, and the explosion had left pools of water and Earth fragments in a slow decaying orbit about Earth, and traces of water on the Moon, and there may even be traces of life that perished from Earth, carried by the fragments and left on the Moon by this. This water in orbit of Earth was above the firmament, and the waters below the firmament gathered together to form seas, as the dry land appeared. After the explosion just over six thousand years ago, every living thing on the Earth perished, and the smaller Earth left, had a less gravity, and less dense atmosphere, and less water. And the new plants and new sea creatures and the new animals and new man were all made with no evolutionary link between any of the former life forms that perished when Earth exploded. And from Adam on they lived 1665 years building stone and metal cities across the earth until the pools of water and Earth fragments began to fall from above the firmament, as the slow decaying orbit caused the Flood of Noah. When the waters receded off the land, all the land of Earth was one Continent for a little over a hundred years as man began to build populate new stone and metal cities, and when the Continents divided, possibly caused by slower larger decaying fragments of Earth, which the impact may have caused the continental divide dividing the new cities mostly between the two major east and west Continents, which resulted in the stone building cultures of Egypt and central America, as other smaller continents formed with few inhabitants while many of the old cities built before the flood sank into the oceans, and this caused the more than 600 stories about 4,200 years ago in different cultures that developed from the separated people that survived the continents dividing, and since then continental drift has been minor. Some slower larger decaying fragments of earth may have caused the smaller continental divides too, and some slower decaying fragments may have even destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Now there are plenty of records of these old stone and metal cities being found under water, and though most people try to say they are around 6000 to 10,000 tears old, I believe all of them were began after Adam began 6000 years ago, when Adam's genealogy began, and many of them ancient cities were build before the flood, but though some sank immediately because of the flood, many actually sank a little later like described above, 4,200 years ago, and as Earth's new crust settled, many later individual cities also sank at various times. "Anthropology" comes from a Greek word "Anthropos," meaning "Manlike," not"Mankind" or "Man," and though mistranslated into English as "Man," it is used to refer to both Mankind and Angels together, even though that they arenot of the same species of life. According as it is written, "When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you had ordained, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visits him? For you had made him a little lower than the angels, and had crowned him with glory and honor. You made him to have dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet." Here is more of the presented evidence that just proves the scriptures are telling the truth, and that Evolution is Pure Crap, and so is what most of these Scientists and Religious People are saying, because they are not saying what the scriptures truly say. http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestHumanSkull.JPG http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/ManasOldasCoal.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Discoveries.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MoreFossils.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/HumanBrain.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/TestResults.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/OldestTool.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/Scorpion.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-013F.JPG http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/FOSSILS/MVC-022S.JPG Manlike remains being buried that deep in layers of Coal, just proves the scriptures true,wherein it says that the old earth blew up, and came back down into the waters, killing all the manlike creatures and all the plants and animals upon the earth that was, before the Creator reformed this heavens and earth, and created the current plants and animals with no evolutionary link to those that perished, as he Created Adam with no evolutionary link to those manlike that perished, before he created and told Adam to replenish the earth. What the Scientists and Religious People miss altogether is that in Genesis 1, it was mistranslated into Latin, and then into other languages because of the Latin mistranslation. It originally said, "Within the chief woman's fruit finished Godship associate the heavens and associate the earth, and the earth class invisibleness and untenanted and darkness surface the wakes, and Spirit God from the brood surface the waters, and said Godship birth light, and birth light, and saw Godship associate the light the related good, and divided Godship among between the light, and among between the darkness, and called Godship the light day, and the darkness called night, and birth evening and birth morning day first." All the Godship in verse one was killed leaving but the Spirit of God in verse 2, and he resurrected them as they rose saying birth light, and those that did birth light became angels of light, and those that did not birth light became angels of darkness, for Lucifer's name meant light bearer, but when he rose against the Most High, he became the murder from the beginning as all perished in his attempted overthrow of the Most High, and these are but shadows of prophecy of the end, as the resurrection of the light foretells of the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the darkness foretells of the resurrection of the unjust, when with the sound of rushing mighty wind, the heavens and earth burst into a flame of fire, melting even the elements thereof. But all the scientists and all these Creationalist Christians all cast off that the former heaven and earth perished, and that this one was formed upon the debris, so that there is no evolutionary link to the life forms that all perished on the former earth, and those that were created in the days of Adam when was told to replenish the new earth. Our earth's center core is solid with a molten layer around it, some say it is mostly Nickel with a lot of Iron that give earth it's magnetic field. But the core and the molten layer is in reality a mix of all the Natural Isotopes that the molten layer is constantly sorting out. If you read some of my posts, I mentioned how star and planets blow up in nature, because of the molten elements around a solid core. The centrifuge effect caused by the planet's or star's rotation on and axis, and the gravitational pull can separate out layers of Isotopes in the molten elements around the solid core, sometimes as radioactive Isotope layers build up, the chain reaction occurs slow enough to just make the molten layer hotter, other times the radioactive Isotope layers build up so fast, it causes a super nova, or an exploding planet like what you see left in the van halen asteroid belt, and like when the devil caused the earth and planets and the stars to blow up before as he became the murderer from the beginning. "That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness." 2 Peter 3:2-13 Before plants and animals grew in abundance and lived and died and began making Tar, Coal, and Oil, and when the earth blew up killing the remainder of them, it buried all the former plants and animals, and that is where we got a lot of our Coal and Oil. The Communists were Atheists making a show of supporting the free exercise of Religious faith, while substituting Government secular law as if it were Religious principle, that outlawed the free exercise of Religious faith. Like in the days of Noah, the Most High God of heaven and Earth has warned the whole Earth of a Global Climate change that the Devil as the unbelievers' God shall bring upon the Earth, to deceive and kill all who believe not the love and the truth revealed by the Most High God, so that they might be saved from the perils yet to come pass. But instead of preparing multiple waters sources to save crops, cattle, and people, they divert the recourses for their own financial gains, while building massive water reservoirs, where each reservoir, waters a massive population that will be endangered if and when a local flood washes poisons into their local reservoir, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to be come sick and or die, and or if and when a local drought comes their local reservoir will run short of water, causing many crops, cattle, and people, to thirsts to death, so that they may come and take their lands and possessions for themselves. The Hebrew word "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," in Hosea, comes from the Hebrew word "Yada," which is mistranslated as "knew from Yada," but is rightfully used as "acquainted" in, "Adam acquainted his wife again, and she bare a son," and "Daath," mistranslated "knowledge," is rightfully used as "acquaintance," in Hosea. Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of acquaintance, because you have rejected my acquaintance, I will also reject you, so that you shall become no priest to me, seeing you have forgotten the personal directions from your God, I will also forget your children." They do not understand that following their own political and scientific and religious doctrines whereby they measure right from wrong, and reprove and approve and or condemn one another, are lies that corrupts and blinds their hearts from being acquainted with Jehovah, and when they become unacquainted with Jehovah, then they and their wives and children begin to heed more and more deceitful lies and begin to commit adultery, it is not the adultery that separates them from Jehovah, it is their being unacquainted with him by heeding their doctrines that causes the adultery and eventually homosexuality and endless debates and endless multitudes of deceitful doctrines that results in fraud and thefts and starvations and murders of the innocent whom they falsely claim that they are exercising justice upon. Jehovah does not speak condemnation to destroy them, but in love with all mankind he reveals the truth to try to turn both the wicked and the righteous continuously back to him so that they will not perish if they hearken unto him, and only those too stubborn to turn at his loving reproof, drive on until they bring upon themselves their own self-destruction. Ezekiel 3:16-21 "And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, Son of man, I have made you a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, you shall surely die; and you give him not the warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because you have not given him the warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he had done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also you have delivered your soul." Like as written, "there shall be famine and droughts in diverse places," and again it is written, "there shall be tempests and earthquakes in diverse places," but the deceivers will falsely claim that the Most High God is sending these perils upon mankind as punishment for their sins, so that they may justify themselves for not giving financial or physical aid to them that the Devil as their deceiving God is destroying, so that they may take their possessions after their destruction, for they are alike the thief who comes not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy, while they acquainted with the Most high God, are come so that those that believe the truth from him may live and live life more abundantly. For those who have become unacquainted with him and his truth, are they who have fallen away from the truth, and being disobedient to the truth, the Devil as their God of the World, sends them strong delusion, so that they will believe the lie, so that they all may be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. For with the Devil as their head, they are like one man of iniquity that follows him and his multitude of lies designed to cause confusion, as his greedy followers dare to even do his evil works in the names of the Most High God. They scream, "believe God's only begotten son," not even knowing the truth that the word "only" is mistranslated, because as it is written, "behold what manner of love that the father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God," and again according as it is written, "He came unto his own, and his own received him not, but as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name, which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Being born again from above God has more than one begotten son. But Jesus as his Seed, which the word "Seed" is translated from the Greek word "sperma" from which we get the English word "sperm." Jesus is our Creator's sperm uniquely begotten in a virgin who was from the loins of David, so that she being from the loins of Judah, would bring forth as the promised Salvation from the loins of Judah. And all that personally believe our omnipresent Creator being acquainted with him, and receive his non omnipresent uniquely begotten son as his promised Salvation from the loins Judah, as the inheritance of the promised heir by birthright of the house of Israel from the loins of Joseph, and as the commonwealth of all Israel, he gives them the authority to become sons of God. For he says in Psalms, "You are Gods, sons of the Most High." And his uniquely begotten son says in John, "for he if he called them Gods unto whom the word of God came, the scriptures cannot be broken." But the unbelievers strip the name Gods off the sons of God, and some even falsely call them false prophets whom the word of God never came to, Gods, just because they quote scriptures in order to deceive. But mostly they strip the name Gods off the true believers so that they may falsely accuse them of claiming to be God, as they oppose and exalt themselves upon all that they persecute and kill, whom are the true believers called Gods, that the deceivers persecute and kill in the name of the Most High God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 was deliberately mistranslated so that they may lie, and oppose and exalt themselves upon all that is called God, or worships. Here I give a more accurate translation of the ancient Greek and Aramaic. "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Adown Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself upon all that is called God, or worships, likening him unto the temple of Godship alike God sits, revealing himself related exists God. Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity does already work, only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Adown shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause their God shall send them strong delusion, so that they should believe a lie, so that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Adown, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth." Jeremiah 2:11-14 "Has a nation changed their Gods, which are yet not Gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit. Be astonished, O you heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be you very desolate, says Jehovah, for my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water, is Israel a servant? Is he a homeborn slave? Why is he spoiled?" These Jewish and Christian end time nuts that claim that they have to starve and or kill people, and take the so called Holy Land for Israel because they have to rebuild the Temple of Solomon before the Messiah can come or return, they are the antichrists that deceived the whole world, and will destroy anyone's credit, and not let anyone they disapprove of, buy and or sell, as they make manmade famines to starve people to death, and they make War commanding fire to fall from heaven in the sight of all men, at will, and the mark of the beast, 666, means that they do these works by their our soul's imagination, as with their lips they profess God, but they are not acquainted with him and do none of his works, and they kill the living temple of God caught between them in all of their deliberately confusing conflicts built upon lies. For the Creator laid his uniquely begotten son as the foundation stone of the new Temple, as the new covenant, and they cannot tell the difference between the Creator and his son, and they cannot tell that the most high does not dwell in Temples made by hands, for them acquainted with the omnipresent Creator believe his voice, and they receive his non-omnipresent son as the promised Salvation, and they become living stones of the true holy Temple wherein the most high dwells. But those deceivers build temples with their hands and worship the works of their hands, as they persecute and kill the living temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3:16 -17 "Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." How shall they know what time it is for anything done under the sun if they are not acquainted with the Spirit of God our Creator? For his son's return is not known by the son nor the angels of God, but is known by the father alone. Who can interpret dreams and visions by the Spirit within due time and season? Is it Plagiarism of another man's works, since it is just a few quoted verses, or is it God-breathed by Spirit within due time and season? Yep, you will be the judge, and if my words are God-breathed by Spirit within due time and season, within the due time and season of that last day, my word will be the judge of you, whether you be good or evil, and if I have spoken presumptuously, in that last day your words may be the judge of me! "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." "A time to scatter, and a time to gather." When I was in King's County, Seattle Washington, I was yet homeless, so I bought a van from the Taproot Theater, and I made my bed there, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and behold earth was no more, and heaven was open, and the Son of David appeared within the cloud, standing with a clean shaven face, having longer than shoulder length hair, wearing a one piece white robe, standing head and shoulders above Joseph, holding Joseph about the waist with his two arms crossed about the midst of Joseph's back, holding him with Joseph's face and his two arms hidden, as Joseph rest his bald head upon the breast of the Son of David, standing with his two legs hidden behind Joseph's two legs and two feet that hung below the cloud, and Joseph was dressed in a two part garment, a blue shirt that covered his trunk, and blue pants that covered his hind parts down unto his two white tennis shoes. And when I saw the vision, I cried out, "Ok, where is God?" When all of a sudden I realized that it was I that Jesus was holding within the vision, as I rest my head and hid my face upon his breast, and I found myself within the vision within invisibleness in all directions, and then I realized, God can be seen by nobody at any time, and within him within every time we all dwell, and within every time the Word which became flesh within due time and season, is always revealed within the bosom of the Father, and they declare one the other. And then I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the Father of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought from the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke with no place left to rest my head upon my bed, and I found myself in a vision, and there appeared a great field of well kept grass, and the Spirit laid me upon the grass of Ephraim, and I looked unto the south, and there was a well built red barn with white trim, and behold the barn leaned southward ready to fall, and I cried out, "I am a carpenter, I can raise it up again!" And the Spirit caught me up and carried me northward and laid me upon the grass the grass of Ephraim, next to a rock wall that enclosed the grass field, with a great grove of trees within the midst, and amidst the grove of trees there was a well built rock farmhouse, and when I saw it, I cried out, "Maybe I should redeem it for my own!" When the Spirit picked me up and carried me straight through the wall of the rock farmhouse, and when inside the women with long hair that were bent over searching their baggage, stopped searching and stood up next to their baggage, and they all looked up at me expecting to receive something. Hear O Israel, within my body as cup, the Father has always been there, and he sent his Son within as my cup, my silver cup whereby I drink and divine, Says Jehovah of hosts. "Open your mouths wide and breath in, and I will fill it, and there will be no strange God within you, I am Jehovah that delivered Israel from the land of Egypt." And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within the Redeemer of Israel, Jehovah of hosts whom Redeemed us all by the blood of our Lord revealed by the Spirit of Prophecy. And that night yet homeless, I fell asleep within the van that I bought from the Taproot Theater, and I slept until morning when I awoke within a vision as the Spirit laid me upon the sand of the holy hill Zion, and to the south standing upon the sand, the right bare foot and leg of the Angel that stood so tall that is all I could see of him, and to the north where his left leg should be, there grew up out of the sand a great thorn bush that grew so tall I could not see the top, and when I looked at the trunk, a great scroll rolled out of the trunk of the thorn bush, and when I leaned to look into the scroll, the thorn bush and the scroll burst into flames but burned not, and the flames entered my face and caused it to shine. And I found myself upon my bed, resting in, and rejoicing within Jehovah whom reveled the thorn bush of Moses, and the Angel that dwelt within it for Joseph, the heir by birthright of the house of Israel, for he has revealed the holy hill Zion to the heir by birthright within his due time and season, to restore the Kingdom unto Israel, and reconcile all unto Jehovah, by the King of the house of David, unto whom was given the tribe of Benjamin our Fellowheir, unto whom the Gentiles were given as Fellowheirs. I entered the house to hear the word of Jehovah, and I sat next to the east wall, and when I heard of David hiding within the woods as the minister stood up yelling, "who can tell when Joseph will rise up?" As the window of heaven open, and the house became filled with the darkness of the night, and there appeared a great field within amidst the darkness of the night, and amidst the field appeared a huddle of five men all dressed the same, all wearing black sackcloth under their skin, all bent down working upon the same thing, and suddenly there blew down out of the north a great whirling wind, with whirling two edged tongues that swill down upon them, as Joseph began to rise up over them eating hand to mouth cleaning and shaving his face, as the four men rose up and began to scatter southward like drunken men, as the great whirling wind chased them with no place to hide within all the earth, as they weep and howled for the misery that came upon them, and one of them came running up to me weeping and howling as their name, Belial, appeared within his fore head, and Joseph in the vision began to turn his back upon the and first turned westward and stood upon his two feet, and then he turned northward and walked up north and stood in fear and tremble looking up northward as a two edged tail of the great whirling wind swirl about the crown of his bald head, and began filling him on the inside from the crown of his bald head down unto his feet, until he was the fullest filled. Like Joseph saw himself within the visions, so did I, and Jehovah and the Lord Jesus are about to bring this one to pass. The men of Belial are religious people that are not acquainted with Jehovah or his Son Jesus. If they would have dad an earth-asteroid collision defense system set up by these incompetent greedy fools among the democrats and republicans and UN, humanity in all probability would not have survived. Are you opposing Scientists and opposing Religious People capable of doing some real honest and interesting and exciting research without deliberately fabricating lies to try to contradict and disprove one another? Take a look at this and tell me what you think is right with it, and why, and what you think is wrong with it, and why. Having been caught between the many different battling Scientists and many different battling Religious people for years, and searching all sides of both sides, and searching ancient languages for the original meanings of individual words, and searching remains of ancient civilizations for clues, and searching nature for evidence, looking for answers about how and why things became, I may have more facts of nature, and more ancient manmade records than many of you, and you might be surprised that from both sides of the Scientists and Religious people, some things appear to be true, and some things appear to false. So I am going to asked both sides to take and objective look at what I have been piecing together from a collection of natural facts and manmade data, collected over many years, and honestly tell me if what appears to have happen, really happened. The first three things you are going to have to deal with is first your dating systems, it appears neither side even comes close to when what happened, and both sides are mostly just guessing or roughly estimating the ages of things. And second, whether Global Warming is manmade or not determined by actual facts, not fabrication of unsupported theory supported by emotions only. And the third, and most important, is you need to throw out your arguments on both sides, that you use to try to say God exists, or God does not exist, because both sides are mostly arguing with unsubstantiated so called evidence or facts, that was fabricated because of your strong emotions about the subject. If you can get past those three obstacles and look at the following overall picture, I think you will discover more real facts about what actually happened, and you each may even have evidence that would help support and refine this overall view. I am just sharing a little of what I know about it, to see where each of you will try to go with it, for a lot of you i believe I that already know where that will be. In service of God and Country Joseph Quote
Guest Winston Smith, American Patriot Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 Me <me@my.computer> wrote in alt.politics.bush: > On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:15:02 -0700, "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting >>of the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any >>computer projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, >>agree that the entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present >>accelerating rate) within five years, not five hundred. If this >>happens, and all the serious projections indicate that it will, there >>will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf >>Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most of the American east >>and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the commercial >>infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. For >>this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental >>agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has >>been kept very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before >>they are out of office. " >> >>If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea >>level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this >>becomes ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your >>neighbors will be moving to Chicago." >> >> >> >>(Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) >> > > You know, Greenland used to be ice-free. The icecap is only a recent > feature (in terms of geological time). Sounds to me like the earth is > returning back to normal. Only an idiot would characterize any particular climatic condition in the biosphere as "normal." You can say that an ice-free Greenland is "state 1" and one covered a mile thick in ice is "state 2," but no one but complete imbecilic asshole would pretend to know what "normal." I think you can relate to that. And another thing: transitions from "state 2" to "state 1," or from "extraordinary" to "normal" in your apparent frame of view, in terms of geological time are typically accompanied by mass extinctions of species, and certainly large populations of those species (if not entirely species- exterminating). I hope you don't entertain the absurd conceit that Homo sapiens has acquired the ability to insulate itself from these effects and overcome forces of Nature which it is not even close to withstanding even its minor wrath. Quote
Guest Neocon Oil Cheerleaders Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In article <Xns994B8055C4A4BWSAP2006@207.115.17.102>, FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV says... > Me <me@my.computer> wrote in alt.politics.bush: > > > On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:15:02 -0700, "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >>".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting > >>of the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any > >>computer projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, > >>agree that the entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present > >>accelerating rate) within five years, not five hundred. If this > >>happens, and all the serious projections indicate that it will, there > >>will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf > >>Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most of the American east > >>and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the commercial > >>infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. For > >>this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental > >>agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has > >>been kept very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before > >>they are out of office. " > >> > >>If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea > >>level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this > >>becomes ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your > >>neighbors will be moving to Chicago." > >> > >> > >> > >>(Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) > >> > > > > You know, Greenland used to be ice-free. The icecap is only a recent > > feature (in terms of geological time). Sounds to me like the earth is > > returning back to normal. > > Only an idiot would characterize any particular climatic condition in the > biosphere as "normal." You can say that an ice-free Greenland is "state > 1" and one covered a mile thick in ice is "state 2," but no one but > complete imbecilic asshole would pretend to know what "normal." I think > you can relate to that. > > And another thing: transitions from "state 2" to "state 1," or from > "extraordinary" to "normal" in your apparent frame of view, in terms of > geological time are typically accompanied by mass extinctions of species, > and certainly large populations of those species (if not entirely species- > exterminating). I hope you don't entertain the absurd conceit that Homo > sapiens has acquired the ability to insulate itself from these effects and > overcome forces of Nature which it is not even close to withstanding even > its minor wrath. > Yeah, I don't think geological time works like this: "In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement." http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2005/december/2005_hottest_year_on_record_north.htm Quote
Guest Bert Hyman Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In news:Xns994B8055C4A4BWSAP2006@207.115.17.102 "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote: > Only an idiot would ... That's a very effective style of argument; did you study rhetoric in school? -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com Quote
Guest Bob Eld Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net... > ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of > the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer > projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the > entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five > years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections > indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a > neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most > of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the > commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. > For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental > agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept > very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of > office. " > > If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea > level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes > ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be > moving to Chicago." > > > > (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) I don't doubt that there is some truth to this. But, What is the source. Who is saying this and where does the 5 year time frame come from. How come the computer models, at least according to this, don't predict what is claimed? As far as I have read, the various computer models have been pretty damn accurate so far regarding global warming. Why wouldn't the models by and large predict what is actually happening? Quote
Guest Winston Smith, American Patriot Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in alt.politics.bush: > In news:Xns994B8055C4A4BWSAP2006@207.115.17.102 "Winston Smith, American > Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote: > >> Only an idiot would ... > > That's a very effective style of argument; did you study rhetoric in > school? It's an inescapable fact that immersion into cyberspace requires the participant to abandon every principle he held dear with respect to civility. Being demeaning and insulting, especially on certain topics like climate change or the Iraq war, and in certain venues particularly the Usenet and in the politics newsgroups, not only appears to be a right of the user, but even his duty. For more information: http://tinyurl.com/2xmtef http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2003/10/against_civilit_1.html http://www.luvnpeas.org/understand/butthead.html http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/33056/view Quote
Guest kingssman1@hotmail.com Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 """" there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences."""" Even if this were to happen. Conservatives will still deny global warming and find some way to blame liberals. Quote
Guest John Black Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In article <10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net>, sandman@hotmail.com says... > ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of > the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer > projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the > entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five > years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections > indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a > neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most > of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the > commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. > For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental > agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept > very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of > office. " Super. So those few people who don't already know that you (and your ilk) are liars will know in just five years. Keep up the shrill alarmism -- it will be great to show future generations so they don't fall for the same crap again. John Black -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Ron O'Neal Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net... > ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of > the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer > projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the > entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five > years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections > indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a > neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most > of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the > commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. > For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental > agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept > very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of > office. " > > If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea > level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes > ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be > moving to Chicago." > > > > (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) > > I Googled your quote and found a "staggering" 4 hits. Your source appears to be "Truth Seeker" which prominently displays articles with titles such as: "Were Explosives Used To Bring Down The Towers?" "Where History Ends Michael Tsarion looks at the Mayan prophecies for 2012..." "Nazi Jews: Jews' "Worst Enemy" Now Ours" "Prison Planet: Reporter Arrested on Orders of Giuliani Press Secretary" (PRISON PLANET ??) Looks like the type of stuff seen in "National Enquirer". And you swallow it as if it is candy? RO Quote
Guest sandman Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:jtUai.12037$4Y.810@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... > > "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net... >> ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of >> the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any > computer >> projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that >> the >> entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within > five >> years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections >> indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a >> neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of >> most >> of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the >> commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial > consequences. >> For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental >> agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been > kept >> very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out >> of >> office. " >> >> If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea >> level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes >> ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will >> be >> moving to Chicago." >> >> >> >> (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org ) > > I don't doubt that there is some truth to this. But, What is the source. > Who > is saying this and where does the 5 year time frame come from. How come > the > computer models, at least according to this, don't predict what is > claimed? > As far as I have read, the various computer models have been pretty damn > accurate so far regarding global warming. Why wouldn't the models by and > large predict what is actually happening? > > Well, of course the USG always tells the truth.......according to droolers. Quote
Guest sandman Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message news:MPG.20d5f69d6c72281e989798@free.teranews.com... > In article <10cqd6.32a.19.1@news.alt.net>, sandman@hotmail.com says... >> ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of >> the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any >> computer >> projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that >> the >> entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within >> five >> years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections >> indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a >> neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of >> most >> of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the >> commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial >> consequences. >> For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental >> agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been >> kept >> very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out >> of >> office. " > > Super. So those few people who don't already know that you (and your > ilk) are liars will know in just five years. Keep up the shrill > alarmism -- it will be great to show future generations so they don't > fall for the same crap again. > > John Black > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > What's the matter? Is someone dislodging the bucket over your head? Quote
Guest Jerry Kraus Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Jun 10, 1:15 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote: > ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of > the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer > projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the > entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five > years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections > indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a > neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most > of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the > commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. > For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental > agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept > very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of > office. " > > If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea > level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes > ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be > moving to Chicago." > > (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org) OH MY GOD!!!! WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD CONDOS IN GREENLAND!!!! THIS WILL CAUSE PROPERTY VALUES TO COLLAPSE!!!! OH MY GOD!!!! Quote
Guest Jerry Kraus Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Jun 10, 1:15 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote: > ".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of > the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer > projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the > entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five > years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections > indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a > neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most > of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the > commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences. > For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental > agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept > very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of > office. " > > If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea > level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes > ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be > moving to Chicago." > > (Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org) Do you know anything, and I do mean ANYTHING about computer models, at all??? They are speculative representations of complex events. They are science fiction. They are not reality. An infinite number of equally plausible computer models can be generated regarding any series of events. They are video games. Nothing more. Quote
Guest torresdD Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 http://www.haaretz.com:80/hasen/spages/870752.html http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870752.html Last update - 20:56 13/06/2007 Religious freedom advocate alleges anti-Semitism at U.S. Army post By Reuters The founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation is threatening a lawsuit against the U.S. military over what he says are anti-Semitic materials on a Fort Leavenworth Web site. Three Bible study lessons on the post chaplain's Web site pushed Christianity and blamed Jews for acts of terrorism, including the crucifixion of Jesus and the persecution of other early Christian leaders, said Michael Weinstein. His foundation calls itself a watchdog group for expanding religious freedom in the U.S. military. Weinstein said the materials, which were removed after he and others complained, were an example of a larger problem. He said a lawsuit is necessary to stop widespread violations of religious freedom in the military. "It is all over the U.S. military," Weinstein said. "We are going to have to do this, because letter writing and phone calls aren't enough." Fort Leavenworth is home of the Army's Combined Army Center, including the Command and General Staff College, where hundreds of officers receive formal training each year. It also is home to many schools and centers that are intricately involved in the writing of doctrine related to the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Lt. Gen. David Petraeus commanded the post before he was chosen by President George W. Bush earlier this year to lead coalition forces in Iraq. Janet Wray, spokeswoman at Fort Leavenworth, said the chaplain's Web site had been taken down and officials were assessing the materials. She said Fort Leavenworth officials planned to issue a statement later in the day. Officials at the Department of Army headquarters had no immediate comment. Quote
Guest Jerry Kraus Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 On Jun 14, 1:50 pm, "torresdD" <torres...@hotmail.com> wrote: > http://www.haaretz.com:80/hasen/spages/870752.html > > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870752.html > Last update - 20:56 13/06/2007 > > Religious freedom advocate > alleges anti-Semitism at > U.S. Army post > > By Reuters > > The founder of the Military > Religious Freedom Foundation > is threatening a lawsuit against > the U.S. military over what he > says are anti-Semitic materials > on a Fort Leavenworth Web site. > > Three Bible study lessons on the > post chaplain's Web site pushed > Christianity and blamed Jews for > acts of terrorism, > > including the crucifixion of Jesus > and the persecution of other early > Christian leaders, said Michael Weinstein. > > His foundation calls itself a > watchdog group for expanding > religious freedom in the U.S. military. > > Weinstein said the materials, > which were removed after he and > others complained, were an example > of a larger problem. > > He said a lawsuit is > necessary to stop widespread > violations of religious freedom > in the military. > > "It is all over the U.S. military," > Weinstein said. > > "We are going to have to do this, > because letter writing and phone > calls aren't enough." > > Fort Leavenworth is home of the > Army's Combined Army Center, > including the Command and > General Staff College, > > where hundreds of officers > receive formal training each year. > > It also is home to many schools > and centers that are intricately > involved in the writing of doctrine > related to the fighting in Iraq and > Afghanistan. > > Lt. Gen. David Petraeus commanded > the post before he was chosen by > President George W. Bush earlier > this year to lead coalition > forces in Iraq. > > Janet Wray, > spokeswoman at Fort Leavenworth, > said the chaplain's Web site had > been taken down and officials were > assessing the materials. > > She said Fort Leavenworth > officials planned to issue > a statement later in the day. > > Officials at the Department of > Army headquarters had no immediate > comment. This hardly surprises me. The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam. Jews are, really, on the sidelines. Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message > The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam. At least you're not blind... although openly ignoring the oil. > Jews are, really, on the sidelines. You're kidding, right? The inception of the State of Israel and the unquestioning US support thereof is the main cause of violence. Quote
Guest sandman Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 "torresdD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:16gci.4293$tb6.1684@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > http://www.haaretz.com:80/hasen/spages/870752.html > > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870752.html > Last update - 20:56 13/06/2007 > > Religious freedom advocate > alleges anti-Semitism at > U.S. Army post > > By Reuters > > The founder of the Military > Religious Freedom Foundation > is threatening a lawsuit against > the U.S. military over what he > says are anti-Semitic materials > on a Fort Leavenworth Web site. > > Three Bible study lessons on the > post chaplain's Web site pushed > Christianity and blamed Jews for > acts of terrorism, > > including the crucifixion of Jesus > and the persecution of other early > Christian leaders, said Michael Weinstein. > > His foundation calls itself a > watchdog group for expanding > religious freedom in the U.S. military. > > > Weinstein said the materials, > which were removed after he and > others complained, were an example > of a larger problem. > > He said a lawsuit is > necessary to stop widespread > violations of religious freedom > in the military. > > "It is all over the U.S. military," > Weinstein said. > > "We are going to have to do this, > because letter writing and phone > calls aren't enough." > > Fort Leavenworth is home of the > Army's Combined Army Center, > including the Command and > General Staff College, > > where hundreds of officers > receive formal training each year. > > It also is home to many schools > and centers that are intricately > involved in the writing of doctrine > related to the fighting in Iraq and > Afghanistan. > > Lt. Gen. David Petraeus commanded > the post before he was chosen by > President George W. Bush earlier > this year to lead coalition > forces in Iraq. > > Janet Wray, > spokeswoman at Fort Leavenworth, > said the chaplain's Web site had > been taken down and officials were > assessing the materials. > > She said Fort Leavenworth > officials planned to issue > a statement later in the day. > > Officials at the Department of > Army headquarters had no immediate > comment. > Now we come to the real reason for the ADL pushing the hate=crimes bill. They want to outlaw any Bible with mention of the role of the Jews during the time of Jesus, and later the apostles. It's there in black and white--that Jews stalked Jesus from town to town, infiltrated the crowds, so that Jesus healed the sick privately, with admonishments to keep it secret. Hardly the attention-seeking Healer we see in modern times. After Jesus' death, we see in Acts they did the same thing to the followers/apostles. Getting rid of Jesus wasn't enough, they went after everyone. There were a gang of some 40 Jews conspiring to kill Paul, and as I understand, all the apostles but one were killed. Isn't this called Chutzpah to blame the victims? They didn't care what was in the Bible when during the Dark/Middle ages no one could read except the scribes, but when the Bible started being printed, and not in the dead language of Latin, they have been on a 500-year "crusade" to destroy the NT.. Quote
Guest sandman Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1181850785.881617.322090@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 14, 1:50 pm, "torresdD" <torres...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> http://www.haaretz.com:80/hasen/spages/870752.html >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870752.html >> Last update - 20:56 13/06/2007 >> >> Religious freedom advocate >> alleges anti-Semitism at >> U.S. Army post >> >> By Reuters >> >> The founder of the Military >> Religious Freedom Foundation >> is threatening a lawsuit against >> the U.S. military over what he >> says are anti-Semitic materials >> on a Fort Leavenworth Web site. >> >> Three Bible study lessons on the >> post chaplain's Web site pushed >> Christianity and blamed Jews for >> acts of terrorism, >> >> including the crucifixion of Jesus >> and the persecution of other early >> Christian leaders, said Michael Weinstein. >> >> His foundation calls itself a >> watchdog group for expanding >> religious freedom in the U.S. military. >> >> Weinstein said the materials, >> which were removed after he and >> others complained, were an example >> of a larger problem. >> >> He said a lawsuit is >> necessary to stop widespread >> violations of religious freedom >> in the military. >> >> "It is all over the U.S. military," >> Weinstein said. >> >> "We are going to have to do this, >> because letter writing and phone >> calls aren't enough." >> >> Fort Leavenworth is home of the >> Army's Combined Army Center, >> including the Command and >> General Staff College, >> >> where hundreds of officers >> receive formal training each year. >> >> It also is home to many schools >> and centers that are intricately >> involved in the writing of doctrine >> related to the fighting in Iraq and >> Afghanistan. >> >> Lt. Gen. David Petraeus commanded >> the post before he was chosen by >> President George W. Bush earlier >> this year to lead coalition >> forces in Iraq. >> >> Janet Wray, >> spokeswoman at Fort Leavenworth, >> said the chaplain's Web site had >> been taken down and officials were >> assessing the materials. >> >> She said Fort Leavenworth >> officials planned to issue >> a statement later in the day. >> >> Officials at the Department of >> Army headquarters had no immediate >> comment. > > This hardly surprises me. The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam. > Jews are, really, on the sidelines. > What? Sidelines? You mean they have not been the assassination teams for getting rid of the educated potential leaders who have hunted them down and picked them off one by one? You mean they have not giving US troops secret locations away to rebels, to keep the American troops from gaining too much ground? Quote
Guest Jerry Kraus Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 On Jun 14, 3:05 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam. > > At least you're not blind... although openly ignoring the oil. > > > Jews are, really, on the sidelines. > > You're kidding, right? The inception of the State of Israel and the > unquestioning US support thereof is the main cause of violence. Sorry, no. Israel is neutral on the Iraq War. Israeli experts have stated that Iraq was more stable with Saddam in power than it is now. They're afraid of Iran, of course, but it is not clear that the U.S. presence in Iraq is helping matters there. Christians and Muslims have been battling for world dominance for almost 1,500 years. Jews were on the side of the Muslims up to the seventeenth century. They side with Christians currently, because Christians are currently the dominant world religion. Israel is slavishly subservient to the U.S. because they are dependant on U.S. support to prevent sanctions from the U.N. If you are wondering about the truth of what I say, I recommend the short story by the Russian writer I.A. Bunin, the Israeliste (1908). He predicted the coming of a Jewish State in Palestine, to act as both a forward base for Christianity against Islam, and as a homeland for the Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Alekseyevich_Bunin Quote
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