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Guest Jerry Kraus
Posted

On Jun 14, 3:26 pm, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> news:1181850785.881617.322090@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

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>

>

>

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> > On Jun 14, 1:50 pm, "torresdD" <torres...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>http://www.haaretz.com:80/hasen/spages/870752.html

>

> >>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870752.html

> >> Last update - 20:56 13/06/2007

>

> >> Religious freedom advocate

> >> alleges anti-Semitism at

> >> U.S. Army post

>

> >> By Reuters

>

> >> The founder of the Military

> >> Religious Freedom Foundation

> >> is threatening a lawsuit against

> >> the U.S. military over what he

> >> says are anti-Semitic materials

> >> on a Fort Leavenworth Web site.

>

> >> Three Bible study lessons on the

> >> post chaplain's Web site pushed

> >> Christianity and blamed Jews for

> >> acts of terrorism,

>

> >> including the crucifixion of Jesus

> >> and the persecution of other early

> >> Christian leaders, said Michael Weinstein.

>

> >> His foundation calls itself a

> >> watchdog group for expanding

> >> religious freedom in the U.S. military.

>

> >> Weinstein said the materials,

> >> which were removed after he and

> >> others complained, were an example

> >> of a larger problem.

>

> >> He said a lawsuit is

> >> necessary to stop widespread

> >> violations of religious freedom

> >> in the military.

>

> >> "It is all over the U.S. military,"

> >> Weinstein said.

>

> >> "We are going to have to do this,

> >> because letter writing and phone

> >> calls aren't enough."

>

> >> Fort Leavenworth is home of the

> >> Army's Combined Army Center,

> >> including the Command and

> >> General Staff College,

>

> >> where hundreds of officers

> >> receive formal training each year.

>

> >> It also is home to many schools

> >> and centers that are intricately

> >> involved in the writing of doctrine

> >> related to the fighting in Iraq and

> >> Afghanistan.

>

> >> Lt. Gen. David Petraeus commanded

> >> the post before he was chosen by

> >> President George W. Bush earlier

> >> this year to lead coalition

> >> forces in Iraq.

>

> >> Janet Wray,

> >> spokeswoman at Fort Leavenworth,

> >> said the chaplain's Web site had

> >> been taken down and officials were

> >> assessing the materials.

>

> >> She said Fort Leavenworth

> >> officials planned to issue

> >> a statement later in the day.

>

> >> Officials at the Department of

> >> Army headquarters had no immediate

> >> comment.

>

> > This hardly surprises me. The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam.

> > Jews are, really, on the sidelines.

>

> What?

>

> Sidelines? You mean they have not been the assassination teams for getting

> rid of the educated potential leaders who have hunted them down and picked

> them off one by one? You mean they have not giving US troops secret

> locations away to rebels, to keep the American troops from gaining too much

> ground?- Hide quoted text -

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Why does it not surprise me that the same loon who thinks the

Greenland ice cap is going to suddenly and entirely melt within the

next five years is also convinced that Israelis are backing the Iraqi

rebels? Take a look at I. A. Bunin's "The Israelite". You might

learn something. Anything's possible.

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Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\)
Posted

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1181854014.048628.249130@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 14, 3:05 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > > The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam.

> >

> > At least you're not blind... although openly ignoring the oil.

> >

> > > Jews are, really, on the sidelines.

> >

> > You're kidding, right? The inception of the State of Israel and the

> > unquestioning US support thereof is the main cause of violence.

> Sorry, no. Israel is neutral on the Iraq War.

 

I understand your viewpoint, however I don't believe that Israel can

possibly maintain any sort of 'neutrality' on any major event in the

Middle East... especially one that involves such a massive presence

and domination by the USA.

> Israeli experts have

> stated that Iraq was more stable with Saddam in power than it is now.

 

The whole world can see that. Only the complacent, couch-potato

Americans who feast on television and mainstream media propaganda

think otherwise.

> They're afraid of Iran, of course, but it is not clear that the U.S.

> presence in Iraq is helping matters there.

 

Of course it's not. No more than it's helping the Kurdish situation

in Egypt.

> Christians and Muslims

> have been battling for world dominance for almost 1,500 years.

 

Funny... I don't see that as being a major issue, but perhaps that's

a result of the propaganda that I have been fed over the past 54

years. What I do see, is the totalitarian government of the USA

which is a result of the corporate Coup D'Etat of 2000, is trying

everything within their power to convince the citizenry that this

bogus war for natural resources has something to do with religion.

> Jews

> were on the side of the Muslims up to the seventeenth century. They

> side with Christians currently, because Christians are currently the

> dominant world religion.

 

Christianity is not the dominant world religion (as you must discount

both the Jewish faith and the Catholic faith).

> Israel is slavishly subservient to the U.S.

> because they are dependant on U.S. support to prevent sanctions from

> the U.N.

 

In my humble opinion, exactly the opposite is true. The USA is massively

subservient to Israel in order to keep a forward, nuclear powered military

foothold in the middle east.

 

> If you are wondering about the truth of what I say, I recommend the

> short story by the Russian writer I.A. Bunin, the Israeliste (1908).

> He predicted the coming of a Jewish State in Palestine, to act as both

> a forward base for Christianity against Islam, and as a homeland for

> the Jews.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Alekseyevich_Bunin

 

 

I am of a mind that it has nothing to do with religion, but is a military

positioning for the purpose of dominating global resources.

 

Thanks for the link.... of course I can't read this overnight, but I relish

the input of non-US writers and news media on all such issues.

 

 

Cheers.

Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\)
Posted

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message...

> Why does it not surprise me that the same loon who thinks the

> Greenland ice cap is going to suddenly and entirely melt within the

> next five years is also convinced that Israelis are backing the Iraqi

> rebels?

 

Perhaps you have missed the large amount of gunsight camera

footage taken of Iraqi snipers picking off US military personnel,

done with gunsight camera systems made in Israel. Some people

actually accuse Israel of firing the shots and distributing the footage.

Posted

what should suprise is Israel gets aid from the US, what should surprise is

how fked up people get over religion. Everyone thinks that religion is a

basis to run over people for every conceivable reason except logic. Face it

allot of churches teach this still. Its a sign of lots of things. We are a

dysfunctional society and those who do best can filter all of it out., I

can't want to not be with jews for lots of reasons especially if its for

medical problems or education or safety. I dont' ever feel threatened by

jews period.

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1181850785.881617.322090@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 14, 1:50 pm, "torresdD" <torres...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> http://www.haaretz.com:80/hasen/spages/870752.html

>>

>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870752.html

>> Last update - 20:56 13/06/2007

>>

>> Religious freedom advocate

>> alleges anti-Semitism at

>> U.S. Army post

>>

>> By Reuters

>>

>> The founder of the Military

>> Religious Freedom Foundation

>> is threatening a lawsuit against

>> the U.S. military over what he

>> says are anti-Semitic materials

>> on a Fort Leavenworth Web site.

>>

>> Three Bible study lessons on the

>> post chaplain's Web site pushed

>> Christianity and blamed Jews for

>> acts of terrorism,

>>

>> including the crucifixion of Jesus

>> and the persecution of other early

>> Christian leaders, said Michael Weinstein.

>>

>> His foundation calls itself a

>> watchdog group for expanding

>> religious freedom in the U.S. military.

>>

>> Weinstein said the materials,

>> which were removed after he and

>> others complained, were an example

>> of a larger problem.

>>

>> He said a lawsuit is

>> necessary to stop widespread

>> violations of religious freedom

>> in the military.

>>

>> "It is all over the U.S. military,"

>> Weinstein said.

>>

>> "We are going to have to do this,

>> because letter writing and phone

>> calls aren't enough."

>>

>> Fort Leavenworth is home of the

>> Army's Combined Army Center,

>> including the Command and

>> General Staff College,

>>

>> where hundreds of officers

>> receive formal training each year.

>>

>> It also is home to many schools

>> and centers that are intricately

>> involved in the writing of doctrine

>> related to the fighting in Iraq and

>> Afghanistan.

>>

>> Lt. Gen. David Petraeus commanded

>> the post before he was chosen by

>> President George W. Bush earlier

>> this year to lead coalition

>> forces in Iraq.

>>

>> Janet Wray,

>> spokeswoman at Fort Leavenworth,

>> said the chaplain's Web site had

>> been taken down and officials were

>> assessing the materials.

>>

>> She said Fort Leavenworth

>> officials planned to issue

>> a statement later in the day.

>>

>> Officials at the Department of

>> Army headquarters had no immediate

>> comment.

>

> This hardly surprises me. The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam.

> Jews are, really, on the sidelines.

>

Guest Jerry Kraus
Posted

On Jun 14, 4:54 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message...

> > Why does it not surprise me that the same loon who thinks the

> > Greenland ice cap is going to suddenly and entirely melt within the

> > next five years is also convinced that Israelis are backing the Iraqi

> > rebels?

>

> Perhaps you have missed the large amount of gunsight camera

> footage taken of Iraqi snipers picking off US military personnel,

> done with gunsight camera systems made in Israel. Some people

> actually accuse Israel of firing the shots and distributing the footage.

 

There are close to a million Russians now living as Israeli citizens.

The total population of Israel is just seven million. The Russians

are heavily involved in the international arms trade. Russia has

great expertise in arms. So does Israel. It would be very surprising

indeed if there were not some technological and business contacts

between the Israeli and Russian arms dealers, under these

circumstances.

 

The Russians are most definitely supplying the Iranians with arms.

They are very closely associated with the Iranians, and are open and

proud about it. Russian television regularly features shots of

Russian bought Iranian missles capable of taking out any ship or plane

in the U.S. arsenal -- the "Sizzler" missle.

 

The Iranians are, obviously, supplying the Iraqi rebels. Thus, it may

be that some Israeli technical expertise is getting into the hands of

the Iraqi rebels, by way of the Russians, whatever the Israeli

government wishes to the contrary. That's what happens when you

engage in a really dumb war, and take on the entire world. Even your

friends end up helping your enemies, whether they want to or not.

Guest Jerry Kraus
Posted

On Jun 14, 4:51 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1181854014.048628.249130@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> > On Jun 14, 3:05 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

> > wrote:

> > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > > > The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam.

>

> > > At least you're not blind... although openly ignoring the oil.

>

> > > > Jews are, really, on the sidelines.

>

> > > You're kidding, right? The inception of the State of Israel and the

> > > unquestioning US support thereof is the main cause of violence.

> > Sorry, no. Israel is neutral on the Iraq War.

>

> I understand your viewpoint, however I don't believe that Israel can

> possibly maintain any sort of 'neutrality' on any major event in the

> Middle East... especially one that involves such a massive presence

> and domination by the USA.

>

> > Israeli experts have

> > stated that Iraq was more stable with Saddam in power than it is now.

>

> The whole world can see that. Only the complacent, couch-potato

> Americans who feast on television and mainstream media propaganda

> think otherwise.

>

> > They're afraid of Iran, of course, but it is not clear that the U.S.

> > presence in Iraq is helping matters there.

>

> Of course it's not. No more than it's helping the Kurdish situation

> in Egypt.

>

> > Christians and Muslims

> > have been battling for world dominance for almost 1,500 years.

>

> Funny... I don't see that as being a major issue, but perhaps that's

> a result of the propaganda that I have been fed over the past 54

> years. What I do see, is the totalitarian government of the USA

> which is a result of the corporate Coup D'Etat of 2000, is trying

> everything within their power to convince the citizenry that this

> bogus war for natural resources has something to do with religion.

>

> > Jews

> > were on the side of the Muslims up to the seventeenth century. They

> > side with Christians currently, because Christians are currently the

> > dominant world religion.

>

> Christianity is not the dominant world religion (as you must discount

> both the Jewish faith and the Catholic faith).

>

> > Israel is slavishly subservient to the U.S.

> > because they are dependant on U.S. support to prevent sanctions from

> > the U.N.

>

> In my humble opinion, exactly the opposite is true. The USA is massively

> subservient to Israel in order to keep a forward, nuclear powered military

> foothold in the middle east.

>

> > If you are wondering about the truth of what I say, I recommend the

> > short story by the Russian writer I.A. Bunin, the Israeliste (1908).

> > He predicted the coming of a Jewish State in Palestine, to act as both

> > a forward base for Christianity against Islam, and as a homeland for

> > the Jews.

>

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Alekseyevich_Bunin

>

> I am of a mind that it has nothing to do with religion, but is a military

> positioning for the purpose of dominating global resources.

>

> Thanks for the link.... of course I can't read this overnight, but I relish

> the input of non-US writers and news media on all such issues.

>

> Cheers.

 

I think you dramatically underestimate the importance of religion to

the world. Religion determines economy, culture, and law to a very

high degree, when it is taken seriously. Ever hang out in the Bible

Belt in the U.S? They're more fanatical than the Iranians. They long

for the Apocalypse. Death means nothing to them. They'll get to meet

Jesus.

 

Here's a Russian version with hyperlinked word defintions of the Bunin

story "Judea" or "The Israelite". I'm not sure there's an English

version online. I'm thinking of translating it myself.

 

http://conradish.net/literatura.dhtml.php?doc=Ivan_Alekseevich_Bunin;Iudeya;Glava_I

Posted

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1181859560.446741.54520@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 14, 4:54 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

> wrote:

>> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message...

>> > Why does it not surprise me that the same loon who thinks the

>> > Greenland ice cap is going to suddenly and entirely melt within the

>> > next five years is also convinced that Israelis are backing the Iraqi

>> > rebels?

>>

>> Perhaps you have missed the large amount of gunsight camera

>> footage taken of Iraqi snipers picking off US military personnel,

>> done with gunsight camera systems made in Israel. Some people

>> actually accuse Israel of firing the shots and distributing the footage.

>

> There are close to a million Russians now living as Israeli citizens.

> The total population of Israel is just seven million. The Russians

> are heavily involved in the international arms trade. Russia has

> great expertise in arms. So does Israel. It would be very surprising

> indeed if there were not some technological and business contacts

> between the Israeli and Russian arms dealers, under these

> circumstances.

>

> The Russians are most definitely supplying the Iranians with arms.

> They are very closely associated with the Iranians, and are open and

> proud about it. Russian television regularly features shots of

> Russian bought Iranian missles capable of taking out any ship or plane

> in the U.S. arsenal -- the "Sizzler" missle.

>

> The Iranians are, obviously, supplying the Iraqi rebels. Thus, it may

> be that some Israeli technical expertise is getting into the hands of

> the Iraqi rebels, by way of the Russians, whatever the Israeli

> government wishes to the contrary. That's what happens when you

> engage in a really dumb war, and take on the entire world. Even your

> friends end up helping your enemies, whether they want to or not.

>

 

To top it all off, the East German Pope, and the last Polish Communist Pope,

encouraged some to invest in both sides of all the conflicted, and is

deliberately turning them against one another just like the Pope did in WW2.

 

The UN and NATO and G-8 leaders have taken to themselves lethal powers, and

they take lethal actions, both of which the majority of the Peoples in the

Nations that they represent object to, making the UN and NATO and the G-8

unjust powers, whom have not derived just powers from the consent of the

Peoples Governed.

 

When has any of your so called Representatives ever fully informed you of

all sides of any issue, and accepted your opinion or proposed solution on

the issue, before casting a lethal vote on the issue at the UN and NATO and

G-8 Government levels?

 

The National Representatives of the UN and NATO and G-8 Government levels

do not represent the Peoples in their Nations, they represent Global

Financers and Global Corporations.

 

In NATO instead of designing our Factories with the dual purpose of a

sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial Enterprise and National Industrial

Defense in times of peace, and a sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial

Enterprise and a sustainable stepped up rate of National Industrial Defense

in a time of War, they separated Civilian Industrial Enterprise capabilities

from National Industrial Defense capabilities, so that during the Arms Race

with the Soviet Union, the National Industrial Defense Complexes grew at a

rate that would not be sustainable in a time of peace, so that the Rulers

and Business leaders of the National Industrial Defense Complexes, instead

of having a sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial Enterprise to fall back

on to keep themselves and their people employed, just because the National

Industrial Defense Complexes are all that they have to keep themselves and

their people employed, they became deceitful and greedy at the expense of

the life and liberty of others, and they invent and instigate conflicts in

times of peace, just so that they can have an Arms Market to help them keep

their unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of National Industrial

Defense Complexes in times of peace. And as a results, building and

maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of massive Defense

Road Systems, and building and maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded

stepped up rate of massive National Industrial Defense Complexes, and

building and maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of

massive Armed Forces, have become the normal way of life for our Greedy

Rulers and Businessmen even in a time of peace, just like it was for Adolph

Hitler and his Businessmen.

 

In times of peace and in times of war, to save the innocent from dying of

starvation and disease and homelessness in undeveloped countries, they do

not need just temporary handouts of food and medicines and clothes and

blankets, they need infrastructures built that will enable them to develop

modern power plants, desalination plants, modern hospitals, modem schools,

and modern libraries, all with modern communications, and agriculture, and

fisheries, transportation, housing, and factories, so that they can become

able to feed and care for and clothe and house themselves.

 

But because the Greedy Rulers and Businessmen of the UN and NATO and G-8

want their Coal and Oil and Resources, they will not let them develop. And

they say we are giving them aide, but just like under the UN Oil for Food

program for Iraq, the people do not get the aide that they need in time, and

as I write, many are still starving and dying.

 

And who gets their Coal and Oil and Resources? Financial Contributors and

Guides to the UN and NATO and G-8 Rulers.

 

 

 

Mr. President and Mr. Vice President

 

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National Security update!

 

Because truth sometimes affects public opinion negatively towards the

messenger, you will find that Politicians, Officials, Religious Rulers, and

Scientists, and Educators, and the Medias, that work in these fields to get

gains of money, and or popularity, and or political influence, are reluctant

to reveal the truth about some things, just because it could affect

their bottom line, or someone is pressuring or paying them to keep quiet

about the truth of some of these things, so that they may make gains off the

Public's ignorance on a subject. Well because I have no desire to be

popular, or to get money from anyone for what I say or do, not being

motivated by money or pressure from others, you will find my research and

presentation of some subjects are a lot different than their's and their so

called professionals in these fields, but watch how they try to adjust to

the results of my research and presentation of these subjects, so that they

may make gains somehow anyway that they can.

 

Between 21.000 to 31,000 feet there is enough moisture there at times, and

it is cold enough there that Jet Vapor Trails can form an Ice Crystal Cirrus

Cloud that does not disappear like the Jet Vapor Trails that temporarily

form in the Dry Stratosphere above about 31,000 feet. Communist

Environmental

Groups that wanting to destroy Western Technology and Power, so they can

take us over, are trying to convince people otherwise.

 

http://video.google.com/url?docid=-2815320198655156407&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=chemtrails&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-2815320198655156407%26q%3Dchemtrails&usg=AL29H231MHYMvJxoM4QLQISZDHntjpnYvQ

 

They want you to think that the two US Political Parties are not one Party,

and if you find out the truth that they have became one party with two

different names, they want you to think that it was because they became Neo

Nazi Communists, because of the Leftwing Jews and the Rightwing

Evangelicals, when in reality they all have been played as fools, and were

deliberately deceived to form a puppet Government for the Catholics, just

like they formed in Nazi Germany.

 

Most of the Rulers that have taken over the Catholic Church, the UN, NATO,

and the US Government, even when they tell the truth about life, the actions

of their organizations and policies will not line up with their words, and

because of their actions and or their inactions, many people starve, and

many people die, and when point that out, they will pretend that they don't

know what is going on, saying that they will investigate it, and solve the

problem, but no matter what solution that they come up with, nothing

changes, and because of their actions and or their inactions, many people

still starve, and many people still die.

 

Because I am near blind and near deaf much of the time, I make typing

errors, but because it is a matter life and death to so many people, I

struggle with my disabilities, and correct some of my typing errs that I

find in some of my writings, and because I see many things and hear many

things, but am bind and deaf not hearkening to most things, I add some

details that I left out, and repost it for you, so that some may see the

truth, that will truly help them bring to themselves freedom, so that they

may truly help those still bound in bondage and are in need.

 

Even though some people are going to get upset by what I am going to say,

and many of them will spin diverse lies against the truth to try to deceive

others, and some of them will even rise in hate and hurt others who believe

or who are just finding the truth, I will lead the way by seeking the truth

moment by moment from my friends above me, and energized by their love for

me, I will tell the truth to all that I can, for I know that if you continue

in our words, you will acquaint the truth, and the truth shall make you

free, and you shall be free indeed.

 

 

Because many of these Environmental and Religious Groups that began before

and or during and or just after the Cold War, are just Political groups

using Political Propaganda, so that they can overthrow just Governments, and

their Propaganda is not based on any accurate scientific data, and or on any

accurate true religious doctrine, or on any true acquaintance with God, and

they cannot help the environment or others with their proposals, or save

your souls with their religious doctrines or their religious ceremonies,

which their political and science and religious belief systems lead people

away from God, and into bondage, because they are often just Political scams

to get Tax Monies and Donations, so that it will help them lure and bind

people making them dependant on them, by destroying their self sufficiency

and destroying the Economy to keep you reliant upon them, I give you some

background of Politics and Religion that led to these current events, and I

give you some actual science tests that you can run and see for yourself

that many of the Politicians and Environmental groups and Religious Groups

and their so called Scientists are lying, and until you run some actual

scientific tests to see who is lying, perhaps you could stop trying to help

them confuse people, by stopping yourself from repeating their Political and

Religious Propaganda, and lies.

 

 

This clip is of Al Gore and WMD in Iraq, he was wrong on WMD in Iraq, and he

is wrong on Climate change for exactly the same reason, it is lies called

Propaganda that Governments spin, and tell, to sway the public to support

their jailing, enslaving, and killing, and robbing of innocent people.

>> You have to watch the entire clip - it is unbelieveable!

>

> http://blackandright.mensnewsdaily.com/2007/06/12/al-gores-memory-challenge/

>

 

I have been trying to tell you guys all along, the Communists used the State

of Israel and the Catholic Church to get at the Tax and Spend Democrats, so

that they could feed the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans false

information on WMD in Iraq, because the Communists convinced some of the

leading Democrats that the War With Iraq would discredit the Republicans and

the Democrats could regain power. But the move discredited the USA, and

discouraged and stopped most of the Nations of the world from helping us

find and capture the likes of Bin Laden, because the Catholics want the Jews

and Muslims to kill each other off, and the Communist deception put the USA

in an incredible deficit, to help the Communists destroy our Economy so that

they can take us over from within.

 

Only 10% of the prisoners in Nazi Concentration camps were considered of

Jewish descent, and were not necessarily of the antichrist Jewish faith.

Germany at one time was mostly Lutheran, and Martin Luther believed the head

of the Church should be the head of State, and Hitler was merging the state

with the Lutherans as a state religion with the Popes Blessings, because

that is a form of Communism all the Popes want for themselves, but choose to

use puppet Governments to accomplish it so that they can distance themselves

from the dirty deeds, and the number of active Catholics were out numbering

active Lutherans for the first time in a long time, so that any critics of

the Catholics were marked as insane, and were sent to the concentration

camps. Any Lutheran or Catholic that was of Jewish decent was marked with a

star of David along with people of the Jewish Religion, so the majority of

the people marked as Jews were Christians. There were basically only two

political parties when the rise of Hitler began, a conservative fascist

rightwing, and a liberal communist leftwing, and the majority of the Jews

and Catholics were Communists on the leftwing, and the majority of the

Protestants were on the rightwing, just like in the USA now. The Promotion

of the Two Marys by the News medias was an attempt by the Catholics to get

the Jews and the Evangelicals to see their view, and join the puppet

Government against the Muslims, just like they influenced the Lutherans to

do in Germany, so that they could destroy the Lutherans and Jews together,

only now it is to destroy the Jews, Evangelicals and Muslims together. In

Germany all Criminals and Political Opponents eventually after Hitler rose,

left the country or went to the concentration camps as slave labor, and they

put prisoners in charge of the prisoners, and the antichrist Jews were the

most ruthless rulers over the Christens of Jewish descent, and the Political

opponents of Hitler, and the Gypsies, and the Homosexuals, and the Common

Criminals.

 

WW2 Religions from an Atheist slant of propaganda, he tries to blame all

Christians for the Nazi Catholics mistakes, but shows how the Protestants

gave up fellow Christians of Jewish descent, just like many of the Nazi

Catholics did.

 

http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm#anchor2

 

Description of what led to the final solution, which did not just pertain to

people of Jewish descent, but to the other 90% of the prisoners too.

 

http://cghs.dadeschools.net/ib_holocaust2001/Final_Solution/organization/final_solution_organization.htm

 

(There are a lot of actual videos of prisoners in the concentration camps,

and notice that very few or none in most of the videos are wearing a star of

David, and that supports the records of eyewitnesses that say only about 10%

were of Jewish descent, and many of that 10% were Christians with Jewish

descent. Here is a link where you will find many actual videos that have no

propaganda in them, and documentaries that have propaganda in them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfVXF84fK48 )

 

When Hitler rose to power, which of the two Political Points of View did the

current Pope take back then, the conservative fascists, or the liberal

communists? Pope John Paul was from Communist Poland, was he a conservative

fascists, or the liberal communists?

 

Under the influence of the Communists, Al Gore cannot walk up a Mountains

and check the air composition to see what the level of He, N2 and O2, Carbon

and Sulfur, CO2 and CFCs, is in the air every 500 feet in altitude, and find

out why full grown trees are shorter higher up than at the Mountain's base,

and he cannot find out why trees cannot grow above a certain altitude. Under

the influence of the Communists, Al Gore cannot figure out that because CO2

is heavier than O2, gravity will not permit enough CO2 to rise high enough

for trees to grow on mountain tops, and under the influence of the

Communists, Al Gore cannot figure out that CFCs are heavier than CO2, and

cannot ascend to the upper Dry Stratosphere where CO2 and H2O is too heavy

to ascend that high, so that it would be impossible for CFCs to ascend to

the Ozone Layer and destroy it. Under the influence of the Communists, Al

Gore has to promote the lies of the Communists Scientists who formed the

IPCC in 1988 and took over the UN and the US Government and even testified

to and persuaded the Pope to be on their side against the Christian

Scientists.

 

Hey Al Gore and you environmental political nuts, instead of helping the

Communists destroy and overthrow our Government with your fake Family

Values, why not take and add up the weights of the Atoms for yourself, and

see that one Chlorine Atom (Atomic weight 35.4,) alone, is heaver than H2O

(Molecular Atomic weight 18,) which one Chlorine Atom cannot exist alone in

nature for long, and the diatomic Chlorine green gas molecule (Molecular

Atomic weight 70.8) is heavier than CO2, (Molecular Atomic weight 44,) and

that is why Chlorine ends up in salts in the oceans, instead of rising to

the stratosphere?

 

Here is some more info on tests to run, if you choose a mountain next to LA,

why can the Smog not rise high enough to get over the mountains, and just

hangs there over the city, and along the coasts until lower forming clouds

hall it away to make acid rains? Because only NO can make it to the top of

the mountain range, and O3 (Molecular Atomic weight 48) and NO2 (Molecular

Atomic weight 46) and NO3 (Molecular Atomic weight 62) and NO4 (Molecular

Atomic weight 78) and SO (Molecular Atomic weight 48) and SO2 (Molecular

Atomic weight 64) are too heavy, so very little of any of these, if any of

these, can make it to the top of the mountain range, and no CFCs rise as

high as the Mountain peaks, because the CFCs are heavier than these Ozone

and Nitrogen Oxide and Sulfur Oxide Molecules, and these form Cloud

Condensation Nuclei where in the H2O they form with excited Hydrogen Atoms

to produce heavier Acid Molecules for Acid Rains downwind from the Cities

where they are formed. (As an experienced Nuclear Biological and Chemical

Warfare Instructor, I studied Weather Patterns and Terrain Patterns looking

for places where enemy traps could be set up, where they could deploy

Chemical and or Biological Weapons with the best effectiveness, and the

Weather Patterns and Terrain Patterns around LA make it an Ideal Target for

the Chemical and or Biological Warfare Agents, if they can disperse enough

of it into the air, because the Warfare Agents are heavier than Smog, and

would cling in heavier concentration closer to the ground in LA than Smog,

with the mountains blocking them in, and no wind to blow them away, it could

cause a lot of damage and loss of life. The Military Intelligence Agencies

were aware of that vulnerability of the Californian Coast early on in the

Cold War, and because the population and residential areas have now changed

since then, how they are set up now to adjust and defend the Californian

Coast against Chemical and or Biological Warfare Agents, that I am not sure

of now, and they and they hews medias should keep that as secret as possible

so as not to tip our enemies off to our current defense, for they had

defense plans coving it in WW2 too, that our enemies know about, so we

frequently change plans to throw them off guard. That situation in LA and

the Californian Coast is also why the insurgents in Iraq are attempting to

use Chlorine Trucks as Bombs in Iraq in some places, because Deadly Diatomic

Green Chlorine Gas is heavy, and clings to the ground, and in the right

Terrain on a windless day, if in a high enough concentration in a

concentrated population area, it could cause a lot of damage and loss of

life, like what happened to the Kurds.)

 

From the ground up to about 31,000 feet is called the Troposphere, and from

about 31,000 to about 160,000 is called the Stratosphere.

 

Between 21.000 to 31,000 feet there is enough moisture there at times, and

it is cold enough there that Jet Vapor Trails can form an Ice Crystal Cirrus

Cloud that does not disappear like the Jet Vapor Trails that temporarily

form in the Dry Stratosphere above about 31,000 feet. Communist

Environmental

Groups that wanting to destroy Western Technology and Power, so they can

take us over, are trying to convince people otherwise.

 

http://video.google.com/url?docid=-2815320198655156407&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=chemtrails&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-2815320198655156407%26q%3Dchemtrails&usg=AL29H231MHYMvJxoM4QLQISZDHntjpnYvQ

 

Above 23,000 feet in the Troposphere, lower than 31,000 feet where the

Stratosphere begins, Cirrus Ice Crystal Clouds form both naturally from

Heavier Molecules formed in the middle about 52,000 feet to upper about

160,000 feet Stratosphere from light Atoms, and from manmade Molecules

formed in the upper Troposphere at 23,000 to 31,0000 feet, and forming short

lived manmade Stratospheric Clouds as Vapor Trails in the lower Dry

Stratosphere at 31,000 to 52,000 feet, there is not enough water there to

form a longer lasing Ice Crystal Clouds, just enough water forms by the

burning of the Fuels to form a short live Vapor Trail, (Even though some

of our best Jets cannot go that high, I will use 52,000 feet because it is a

Military secret how high our best jets can fly because of how they overcome

the lower density of air needed for lift on the wings at that altitude, and

how they over come the too low of an amount of oxygen needed for air

breathing Jet Engines to burn fuel, ) and if any manmade event is having any

effect on the Weather Patterns anywhere, Jets and Planes flying above 23,000

feet are doing it, because they try to fly 30,000 to 52,000 feet to get over

the stronger turbulence zones that starts and varies from ground level up

to an altitude of about 23,000 feet, but it is doubtful that manmade vapor

trails are causing Global Climate Change, because the exact same gases

formed by the exothermic reactions of Air and Fuel in Air Berating Engines

of Jet and Plane as exhaust, that is used by nature as manmade Cloud

Condensation Nuclei to form manmade vapor trails, these same gases are

produced many times more abundantly by nature in the middle about 52,000

feet to the upper about 160,000 feet Stratosphere by the Sun's different

wavelengths of Light, and Earth's Magnetic Field, as naturally made Cloud

Condensation Nuclei that descends by Gravity to the Troposphere blow 31,000

feet, every moment of every day, and without them naturally forming for H2O

to condense on when they sink by Gravity to the Troposphere, there would be

no Clouds forming anywhere to give us rain and snow for plants and fresh

drinking water cattle and wildlife and us, and our Aircraft would not be

able to fly as high as they do.

 

When some scientists figured out how Clouds form naturally, and saw how

man's aircraft duplicate the natural process in a small degree, they came

up with a limited way of producing some manmade clouds for manmade rain when

the right conditions existed, and when the scientists showed it to their

Rulers, the Nations that found it, made it a Military Secret, and some of

the Rulers of the Nations decided to use the Ignorance of the Public, to

deceive them into helping them make a profit for themselves, and for

enslaving others, and they are deliberately deceiving, and or bribing, and

or blackmailing, other Rulers and Businessmen and Scientists and Citizens,

to help them.

 

In an area where a concentration of Air craft Flights over 23,000 feet are

affecting local Weather Patterns by seeding the atmosphere with manmade

Cloud Condensation Nuclei, it is like seeding clouds with frozen CO2, called

Dry Ice to form Carbonic Acid, as Cloud Condensation Nuclei to cause a local

rain under the right conditions. Enough CO2 normally does not ascend that

high to form natural Cloud Condensation Nuclei from Carbonic Acid because

of Gravity, but Dry Ice acts like the naturally formed Heavier Molecules

that form other Acids as Cloud Condensation Nuclei, except clouds seeded

with Dry Ice the Clouds form around the Carbonic Acid as Cloud Condensation

Nuclei. So if it is a problem in a local area, to stop Air Traffic from

affecting local Weather Patterns, all that the Air Traffic Controllers would

have to do, is ban flights over 23,000 feet that affect the area by the

manmade Cloud Condensation Nuclei, causing the manmade Weather Patterns, and

local Weather Patterns would turn back to natural Weather Patterns.

 

The lie about CFCs was produced by the Communists so they could keep

refrigerators away from undeveloped countries, so that they could keep them

developing infrastructure and keep them dependant on them feeding them with

handouts, as hand fed slaves. The Elite and Rulers of Great Britain adopted

the lie for their own Coal and Oil and Recourse Profits, and soon the Elite

and Rulers of the US and the Elite and the Rulers of the UN did too, so

that they can control the would population, as they decide who lives and who

dies, in undeveloped Nations, so that they can take their Coal and Oil and

Resources for the G-7 Nations which became the G-8 with Russia. It is funny

that two different people showed me Russian and Chinese Military Documents,

that both said that they were instructing their comrades on how to use the

lies about CFCs to keep masses of people under control, as hand fed slave

labor.

 

 

Add up the Molecular Atomic Masses yourself, and run the experiments that I

mentioned, and also don't rely on their remote censoring devices, and get

some accurate samples from every 500 feet of altitude in the lower and

middle and upper stratosphere, and test them yourself, you will see that

they are all lying about CFCs destroying the Ozone Layer, and they are lying

about CO2 causing Global Warming.(They could not give me an accurate enough

spectroscopes to detect roadside bombs, and I could not develop the ones

that they have to be accurate enough to detect roadside bombs, and as remote

censoring devices for atmospheric composition, I found most of them to be

less than 20% accurate, some near 55% to 60% accurate.)

 

http://www.noblemind.com/search.exe?keyword=Elements+Alphabetical+Listing&var=2

 

What was hidden from the Public by another Ruler, is the same things that

are hidden from the Public today by our rulers.

 

Bush and the Tax and Spend Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse

Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians, and deceived the

Public with a choice between two evils on state ballots, to outlaw the

sanctified marriages of the God of Abraham, who sanction the marriages of

Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others, being sanctified marriages of one

man married to multiple women as one wife, and Bush and the Tax and Spend

Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans deceived the

Public to persecute true Jews and true Christians that believe the truth,

the same way Hitler deceived the Public to do, as they divided the one

nation under God and bought the wrath of the unbelieving upon the believing

whom are justified by God, not by man's law or religions.

 

 

Like Hitler robbed the gold from the physically and mentally disabled in the

Catholic insane asylums and nursing homes of Nazi Germany, because they

spoke out against the abuse of the Catholic Doctors, their only crime, they

were not Catholic, and having committed no crime either, the Tax and Spend

Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans hearkened to

false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as Doctors, to count their

critics as insane, and take away their liberties by accusations of being

delusional, as the Doctors make monies from the Government for expensive and

dangerous and deadly mind control drugs.

 

Rare Russian footage of Russians who were stripped, and their hair was

shaved off to make pillows and mattresses, and the good looking women were

raped, and then murdered.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVz8gFPtfw0

 

Like Hitler's Doctors caused what they told the Public was Iatrogenic

Illnesses and Iatrogenic Deaths, the Borrow until Economic Collapse

Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as

Doctors, who claim they are preventing epidemics, as they cause epidemics

of Autistic Children by their vaccines and drugs, as they cause damage to

the long term heath of the Public by their vaccines and drugs, as multitudes

die prematurely all across the USA.

 

Like Hitler's Judges, the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans

hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as Judges who

blindly apply the Law, so that all that oppose them are counted as criminals

and insane and dangerous even though they committed no crime, their liberty

is taken away.

 

Like Hitler's Jailers, who jailed those Christians and Gypsies who were not

Catholics with Jews, and the Guards turned the jailed Jews against the

jailed Christians and Gypsies, who were killed first, often by the jailed

Jews trying to buy more time for themselves, the Borrow until Economic

Collapse Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and

Atheists, as Jailers who allow abuse from prisoners against one another, and

they keep track of it, so that when they have a Political or Religious

prisoner that want to get rid of, they may jail them among their enemies,

and say like many Nazi Guards said, they said, "We were just common Guards

or just common Soldiers, the prisoners did it to each other."

 

This ballot gives you the right to choose between two evils, which do you

consider to be the lesser of the two evils?

 

Caught between the Turf Wars of Legal Corporate Iatrogenic enslaving

Medications, and Illegal Street enslaving Iatrogenic Medications,

so that either side that we choose we will become Iatrogenic Slaves owned by

our Drug Dealers, so which of the two groups of Iatrogenic Medical Slave

Masters, are the lesser of the two evils?

 

Lets see, if you choose the Legal Corporate Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and

stop taking their Legal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream

that, "you are crazy," and can lock you up, and force the Legal Iatrogenic

Medicines upon you to keep you enslaved!

 

But if you choose the Illegal Street Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and stop

taking their Illegal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream, "No

don't go," and to try to keep you enslaved, they say, "I will give you a

free hit if you stay," but if you don't accept it, they can not lock you up,

and you are no longer enslaved, your are free!

 

Are you ready to Vote?

 

But wait a minute, didn't we have the right to choose the 13th Amendment,

just so that we could be free from Slavery? Did you guys forget to tell

these people that run our Society this way, about the accomplishments of the

Civil War? Oh wait, because of the Drugs that they forced upon me, I forgot

all about that guy that took the Presidency! Lets see, what was his name?

 

Was it George? Or was it Mud?

 

Us Iatrogenic Medical Slaves, say to our Slave Masters, give us Liberty, or

give us death!

 

For you deliberately conspired to do this thing, and you are now in

violation of the 13th Amendment of our US Constitution!

 

To the dishonest and greedy Racketeering US Doctors and US Medical Staff and

US Drug Manufactures and US Officials.

 

As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation

Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and to

my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to face

with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever

interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have

busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and

gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,

and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence

to the loyal among the US Government.

 

We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground

Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US

Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,

secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no

membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our Duty

that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of

defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we

serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,

Foreign and Domestic.

 

We have found that most Politicians and Judges and Lawyers and Police

Officers and the Media and the Public, do not even know what an Iatrogenic

Illness is! And we have found that some of you have deliberately taken

advantage of their ignorance, and you have conspired to use your Freedom to

say whatever you want to say, to influence and help them design and set up

our Hospitals and our Clinics and our Courts, just so that some of you can

try to get away with producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses. Just so that

you can make a Wealthy Lifestyle for yourselves, as you continue getting

paid for causing the Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses as Slave Masters of

Iatrogenic Medical Slavery! And we have found that many of you are

influencing or buying out the judgment of the FDA, or Politicians, or other

Officials, or of the Media, just to get them to approve and support the use

of Drugs, that often cause more harm than good, because they were developed

to make you the Slave Masters, and the Slave Owners, of those that you

deliberately targeted and bound in your Iatrogenic Medical Slavery!

 

Some of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses, are

not used for the category of Mental Illnesses, but are not cures of

sicknesses, they are classified as Treatments for Chronic Sicknesses. But a

majority of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses,

are used for the category of what they call Chronic Mental Illnesses. And we

have found that you have even been using the Mass Media, to play upon

people's ignorance of Mental Illnesses, to build fear in them, as you build

prejudice in them, so that you can motivate them to do your dirty works at

your will. And we found some of you have been deliberately brainwashing our

society for a long time, to get them to blindly support, and to blindly

follow along with your scam of Medical Racketeering. And out of their

ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have

tricked them into giving you the authority to use force, even upon those

whom you falsely claim have a Dangerous Mental Illness. And out of their

ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have

built prejudice in them, and often motivate them by your influence over the

collective social group, to use intimidation, as a fear factor, upon those

who you falsely claim need your Medications, that cause Iatrogenic

Illnesses. And some of you are deliberately abusing the authority to use

force, as you force upon people ignorant of Mental Illnesses, Medications

that cause Iatrogenic Illnesses, just so that you can enslave them in your

Iatrogenic Medical Slavery.

 

I have the Detailed Documentation of what they are planning and doing,

enough to get thousands of convictions, does anyone want it?

 

 

 

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Previous Letter to the President

 

Mr. President and Mr. Vice President

 

The Secret of the Rosary

 

We did not give Saddam Chemical Weapons. Follow this background, and it will

show you what is going on.

 

The Old hardliner European Communists united with the Asian Communists, and

they have been studying the Religions and Secular Groups for years, to see

how they could use them to overthrow NATO, and they have infiltrated the

Catholics, the Evangelicals, the Church of England, the Muslims, and the

State of Israel, and Secular Groups, and the Communists are leading them by

their own desirers and greed for power, using them to destroy and overthrow

the Governments of the Western Nations from within.

 

During WW2, the arch enemies of the Catholics, the Lutherans, and the Church

of England, and the Evangelicals, and the Jews, and the Gypsies, and the

Muslims, and Buddhists, and Atheists, among England, and Germany, and Italy,

and Japan, and Poland, and the Communist Nations, were turned one against

the other by the Pope, and to throw the blame on someone else, the Catholics

wanted the world to believe that it was just a Political Nazi thing, and

that all that they were killing was Jews, and the Catholics got 60 Million

Lutherans, and followers of the Church of England, and the Evangelicals, and

the Jews, and the Gypsies, and the Muslims, and Buddhists, and Atheists,

among Germany and Italy and Japan and Poland and the Communist Nations

Killed.

 

Notice who died in the Concentration Camps and Insane Asylums. (Many of the

Insane Asylums and Nursing Homes in Europe that became Concentration Camps,

were owned and run by Catholics, and the people were counted insane and were

admitted and locked up for the safety of the Public, most just because of

their Political, and or Religious, and or Non-Religious, Behaviors. Notice

Catholic Critics were on the extermination Lists,

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/germany/euthanasia/ftp.py?places/germany/euthanasia//14f13.01

This was because though Germany was largely a Lutheran Nation for many

years, the Lutherans numbers were dwindling and many of them were inactive

in their Church, and Catholics began to dominate society, so criticizing

Catholics had become considered bad behavior because of the growing Catholic

Influence.)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DW9lyMqeyM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzml_3fApSU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ihEoQPQ6Y

 

 

Notice they call him Hitler's Pope, and the Pope's words did not match his

actions, because it was just his own propaganda to keep himself and the

Catholics looking clean, while writing off all the influence he used to stir

up the War as Nazi and communist propaganda, because he listened to and

encouraged both Hitler and the Communists, so that the Pope could destroy

the German Lutherans and the Jews and the rest of his enemies together.

 

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0028.html

 

 

 

The Catholics are leading the Jews to War in Palestine and Lebanon, and an

Inevitable War with Iran to try to destroy as many of them as possible.

 

"Since 1993 I have been warning that Iran is the only enemy that poses an

existential threat to Israel."

 

A quote from- Maj. Gen. Efraim Sneh former Israeli deputy defense minister

 

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/9/93736.shtml?s=lh

 

 

Notice that since 1993 he did not believe Iraq posed an existential threat

to Israel. Why? He knew then that Iraq had no WMD left.

 

Pope John Paul the 2nd, has just been blowing the devils smoke at the House

of Joseph, the heir by birthright of the House of Israel, and had his people

influencing the conflict between Israel and the Muslims in Iraq.

 

The Polish Pope John Paul the 2nd, had many more followers that dwindled

down to a number of 300,000 thousand followers in Iraq by 9-11, and these

wanted no contact with American Christians like the Evangelical Pat Robison,

and Pope John Paul the 2nd had followers in all the States that gave false

intelligence reports about WMD in Iraq to Western Intelligence Agencies, as

many of his followers follow his predecessor's advice since before the Fall

of the USSR, to invest in both Western and Eastern Industrial Military and

Medical and Educational and Media Complexes, and like the Communists, their

aim is to use the State of Israel to gain Political Power over the US, but

the Catholics want to use the State of Israel and the Jews to destroy the

Muslims.

 

We did not give Saddam Chemical Weapons. Saddam had no conventional weapons

factories, and bought all his weapons from the Soviet Union. The Chemical

shells and warheads that he used against Iran and the Kurds were all made in

the Old Soviet Union, and all his conventional weapons too. Saddam's

Chemical Weapons were used up against Iran, except for old useless corroded

shells and warheads that could not be used. Saddam led UN inspectors to

them, to get them to destroy them, while he blocked inspections else where

so he could make his enemies think he still had WMD, that way Iran and the

Kurds would not be likely to attack him. and so he could use the sanctions

as power and an excuse to starve any Iraqis that still stood with the US

from during the Iraq Iran War.

 

We only gave Iraq a few dual use Biological Agents that the Pentagon later

claimed was the Basis of Iraq's Biological Warfare program, and because

making conventional weapons was too hard for Saddam, he realized the

aluminum tubes and equipment he bought for a Nuclear program would be

useless to him, so under secret Russian escort he sold his Nuclear program

to Libya in 1993. And this is why Maj. Gen. Efraim Sneh, the former Israeli

deputy defense minister, did not mention Iraq as a threat to Israel, even

though the US and Britain and Israel promoted Saddam as such a threat to

Israel, falsely saying it was because of his WMD programs, they were keeping

Saddam pinned down with no fly zones since 1991.

 

 

The Communists in Albania, Kosovo, Chechnya, etc, and Israel, baited the

US's and Britain's greed for Oil and their need for a new Weapons Market,

with false Intelligence reports on WMD in Iraq, because they knew that

NATO's Industrial Western Military Complexes were going broke because of the

end of the Cold War, and new that they could finance and use the Industrial

Western Military Complexes, to draw us into an expensive War that would help

the European communists and Asian Communists destroy our credibility and our

Economy, by coaxing the US and Britain to want to target all the countries

of the Fallen USSR, and do away with their Old Soviet conventional Weapons

and replace them with NATO weapons. That is what the Middle East conflicts

and the new Missile defense system is all about.

 

It is all about Oil and keeping NATO's Industrial Western Military Complexes

making money. The Financers of the Industrial Western Military Complexes had

the Government take the US off the gold standard as the USSR fell, why? They

saw that the Industrial Western Military Complexes would need to cut back on

expenses because of the end of the Arms Race with the USSR. Without the Arms

Race they need to pay slave wages to keep the Industrial Western Military

Complexes in businesses.

 

The Catholics and the European and Asian Communists using the State of

Israel have both the Tax and Spend Democrats and the Borrow until Economic

Collapse Republicans holding on to a new model to build on so that they can

get more of their Agents into the US and overthrow our Country from within.

They want to attract the more intelligent minds from around the world and

make America the New Dubai, because that is how they built Dubai. But to do

that for America will mean displacing or blocking out three fourths of the

population like Dubai did also, because that three fourths of the population

cannot afford to live there.

 

So at best what they are going to do for America, is widen the gap between

the rich and the poor, and make areas where only the rich can afford to

live, and make ghettos for the poor that could become infested with street

gangs, but wait, that is what they have already done, so why are they just

going to make it worse? Do you know why so many working Middle class and

working poor are defaulting on loans and or cannot afford a home? They took

us off the Gold standard to make us slaves.

 

$19.14 an hour with Gold at $670 an ounce, is the same buying power as the

minimum wage of $1.00 with Gold at $35.27 in 1960. The slave Masters just

want more slaves.

 

The Deceived Rulers of the UN and G-8, as leaders of their dream new world

order, they are deciding who will live in their new world order, and who

will die, and are even using a lie that Global Warming is caused by CO2,

knowing that it has been caused by an increase in Solar Activity. They are

falsely blaming CO2, so that they can keep undeveloped Nations from

developing, so that they can starve them and steal their Coal and Oil. Just

like the Oil for Food program for Iraq, none of the Aide programs for Africa

or other undeveloped nations will keep them from starving, because all that

they are getting is handouts from the greedy Rulers of the Nations in

exchange for access to the Coal and Oil Fields, and they will not let the

Africans build infrastructure so that they can desalinate water and grow

food for themselves, so eventfully they will starve to death like over a

million Iraqis did in Iraq.

 

 

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interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have

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>

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What do you do, cut & paste everything you've ever written as a reply?

 

 

 

<Joseph> wrote in message

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>

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:1181859560.446741.54520@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>> On Jun 14, 4:54 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

>> wrote:

>>> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message...

>>> > Why does it not surprise me that the same loon who thinks the

>>> > Greenland ice cap is going to suddenly and entirely melt within the

>>> > next five years is also convinced that Israelis are backing the Iraqi

>>> > rebels?

>>>

>>> Perhaps you have missed the large amount of gunsight camera

>>> footage taken of Iraqi snipers picking off US military personnel,

>>> done with gunsight camera systems made in Israel. Some people

>>> actually accuse Israel of firing the shots and distributing the footage.

>>

>> There are close to a million Russians now living as Israeli citizens.

>> The total population of Israel is just seven million. The Russians

>> are heavily involved in the international arms trade. Russia has

>> great expertise in arms. So does Israel. It would be very surprising

>> indeed if there were not some technological and business contacts

>> between the Israeli and Russian arms dealers, under these

>> circumstances.

>>

>> The Russians are most definitely supplying the Iranians with arms.

>> They are very closely associated with the Iranians, and are open and

>> proud about it. Russian television regularly features shots of

>> Russian bought Iranian missles capable of taking out any ship or plane

>> in the U.S. arsenal -- the "Sizzler" missle.

>>

>> The Iranians are, obviously, supplying the Iraqi rebels. Thus, it may

>> be that some Israeli technical expertise is getting into the hands of

>> the Iraqi rebels, by way of the Russians, whatever the Israeli

>> government wishes to the contrary. That's what happens when you

>> engage in a really dumb war, and take on the entire world. Even your

>> friends end up helping your enemies, whether they want to or not.

>>

>

> To top it all off, the East German Pope, and the last Polish Communist

> Pope, encouraged some to invest in both sides of all the conflicted, and

> is deliberately turning them against one another just like the Pope did in

> WW2.

>

> The UN and NATO and G-8 leaders have taken to themselves lethal powers,

> and they take lethal actions, both of which the majority of the Peoples in

> the Nations that they represent object to, making the UN and NATO and the

> G-8 unjust powers, whom have not derived just powers from the consent of

> the Peoples Governed.

>

> When has any of your so called Representatives ever fully informed you of

> all sides of any issue, and accepted your opinion or proposed solution on

> the issue, before casting a lethal vote on the issue at the UN and NATO

> and G-8 Government levels?

>

> The National Representatives of the UN and NATO and G-8 Government levels

> do not represent the Peoples in their Nations, they represent Global

> Financers and Global Corporations.

>

> In NATO instead of designing our Factories with the dual purpose of a

> sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial Enterprise and National

> Industrial

> Defense in times of peace, and a sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial

> Enterprise and a sustainable stepped up rate of National Industrial

> Defense

> in a time of War, they separated Civilian Industrial Enterprise

> capabilities from National Industrial Defense capabilities, so that during

> the Arms Race with the Soviet Union, the National Industrial Defense

> Complexes grew at a rate that would not be sustainable in a time of peace,

> so that the Rulers

> and Business leaders of the National Industrial Defense Complexes, instead

> of having a sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial Enterprise to fall

> back on to keep themselves and their people employed, just because the

> National Industrial Defense Complexes are all that they have to keep

> themselves and their people employed, they became deceitful and greedy at

> the expense of the life and liberty of others, and they invent and

> instigate conflicts in

> times of peace, just so that they can have an Arms Market to help them

> keep their unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of National

> Industrial

> Defense Complexes in times of peace. And as a results, building and

> maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of massive

> Defense

> Road Systems, and building and maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded

> stepped up rate of massive National Industrial Defense Complexes, and

> building and maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of

> massive Armed Forces, have become the normal way of life for our Greedy

> Rulers and Businessmen even in a time of peace, just like it was for

> Adolph Hitler and his Businessmen.

>

> In times of peace and in times of war, to save the innocent from dying of

> starvation and disease and homelessness in undeveloped countries, they do

> not need just temporary handouts of food and medicines and clothes and

> blankets, they need infrastructures built that will enable them to develop

> modern power plants, desalination plants, modern hospitals, modem schools,

> and modern libraries, all with modern communications, and agriculture, and

> fisheries, transportation, housing, and factories, so that they can become

> able to feed and care for and clothe and house themselves.

>

> But because the Greedy Rulers and Businessmen of the UN and NATO and G-8

> want their Coal and Oil and Resources, they will not let them develop. And

> they say we are giving them aide, but just like under the UN Oil for Food

> program for Iraq, the people do not get the aide that they need in time,

> and as I write, many are still starving and dying.

>

> And who gets their Coal and Oil and Resources? Financial Contributors and

> Guides to the UN and NATO and G-8 Rulers.

>

>

>

> Mr. President and Mr. Vice President

>

> My name is Joseph R Loegering

>

> Founder, of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm!

>

> Blog http://josephloegering.blogspot.com/

>

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>

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>

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>

> National Security update!

>

> Because truth sometimes affects public opinion negatively towards the

> messenger, you will find that Politicians, Officials, Religious Rulers,

> and

> Scientists, and Educators, and the Medias, that work in these fields to

> get

> gains of money, and or popularity, and or political influence, are

> reluctant

> to reveal the truth about some things, just because it could affect

> their bottom line, or someone is pressuring or paying them to keep quiet

> about the truth of some of these things, so that they may make gains off

> the

> Public's ignorance on a subject. Well because I have no desire to be

> popular, or to get money from anyone for what I say or do, not being

> motivated by money or pressure from others, you will find my research and

> presentation of some subjects are a lot different than their's and their

> so

> called professionals in these fields, but watch how they try to adjust to

> the results of my research and presentation of these subjects, so that

> they

> may make gains somehow anyway that they can.

>

> Between 21.000 to 31,000 feet there is enough moisture there at times, and

> it is cold enough there that Jet Vapor Trails can form an Ice Crystal

> Cirrus

> Cloud that does not disappear like the Jet Vapor Trails that temporarily

> form in the Dry Stratosphere above about 31,000 feet. Communist

> Environmental

> Groups that wanting to destroy Western Technology and Power, so they can

> take us over, are trying to convince people otherwise.

>

> http://video.google.com/url?docid=-2815320198655156407&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=chemtrails&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-2815320198655156407%26q%3Dchemtrails&usg=AL29H231MHYMvJxoM4QLQISZDHntjpnYvQ

>

> They want you to think that the two US Political Parties are not one

> Party,

> and if you find out the truth that they have became one party with two

> different names, they want you to think that it was because they became

> Neo

> Nazi Communists, because of the Leftwing Jews and the Rightwing

> Evangelicals, when in reality they all have been played as fools, and were

> deliberately deceived to form a puppet Government for the Catholics, just

> like they formed in Nazi Germany.

>

> Most of the Rulers that have taken over the Catholic Church, the UN, NATO,

> and the US Government, even when they tell the truth about life, the

> actions

> of their organizations and policies will not line up with their words, and

> because of their actions and or their inactions, many people starve, and

> many people die, and when point that out, they will pretend that they

> don't

> know what is going on, saying that they will investigate it, and solve the

> problem, but no matter what solution that they come up with, nothing

> changes, and because of their actions and or their inactions, many people

> still starve, and many people still die.

>

> Because I am near blind and near deaf much of the time, I make typing

> errors, but because it is a matter life and death to so many people, I

> struggle with my disabilities, and correct some of my typing errs that I

> find in some of my writings, and because I see many things and hear many

> things, but am bind and deaf not hearkening to most things, I add some

> details that I left out, and repost it for you, so that some may see the

> truth, that will truly help them bring to themselves freedom, so that they

> may truly help those still bound in bondage and are in need.

>

> Even though some people are going to get upset by what I am going to say,

> and many of them will spin diverse lies against the truth to try to

> deceive

> others, and some of them will even rise in hate and hurt others who

> believe

> or who are just finding the truth, I will lead the way by seeking the

> truth

> moment by moment from my friends above me, and energized by their love for

> me, I will tell the truth to all that I can, for I know that if you

> continue

> in our words, you will acquaint the truth, and the truth shall make you

> free, and you shall be free indeed.

>

>

> Because many of these Environmental and Religious Groups that began before

> and or during and or just after the Cold War, are just Political groups

> using Political Propaganda, so that they can overthrow just Governments,

> and

> their Propaganda is not based on any accurate scientific data, and or on

> any

> accurate true religious doctrine, or on any true acquaintance with God,

> and

> they cannot help the environment or others with their proposals, or save

> your souls with their religious doctrines or their religious ceremonies,

> which their political and science and religious belief systems lead

> people

> away from God, and into bondage, because they are often just Political

> scams

> to get Tax Monies and Donations, so that it will help them lure and bind

> people making them dependant on them, by destroying their self sufficiency

> and destroying the Economy to keep you reliant upon them, I give you some

> background of Politics and Religion that led to these current events, and

> I

> give you some actual science tests that you can run and see for yourself

> that many of the Politicians and Environmental groups and Religious Groups

> and their so called Scientists are lying, and until you run some actual

> scientific tests to see who is lying, perhaps you could stop trying to

> help

> them confuse people, by stopping yourself from repeating their Political

> and

> Religious Propaganda, and lies.

>

>

> This clip is of Al Gore and WMD in Iraq, he was wrong on WMD in Iraq, and

> he

> is wrong on Climate change for exactly the same reason, it is lies called

> Propaganda that Governments spin, and tell, to sway the public to support

> their jailing, enslaving, and killing, and robbing of innocent people.

>

>>> You have to watch the entire clip - it is unbelieveable!

>>

>> http://blackandright.mensnewsdaily.com/2007/06/12/al-gores-memory-challenge/

>>

>

> I have been trying to tell you guys all along, the Communists used the

> State

> of Israel and the Catholic Church to get at the Tax and Spend Democrats,

> so

> that they could feed the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans false

> information on WMD in Iraq, because the Communists convinced some of the

> leading Democrats that the War With Iraq would discredit the Republicans

> and

> the Democrats could regain power. But the move discredited the USA, and

> discouraged and stopped most of the Nations of the world from helping us

> find and capture the likes of Bin Laden, because the Catholics want the

> Jews

> and Muslims to kill each other off, and the Communist deception put the

> USA

> in an incredible deficit, to help the Communists destroy our Economy so

> that

> they can take us over from within.

>

> Only 10% of the prisoners in Nazi Concentration camps were considered of

> Jewish descent, and were not necessarily of the antichrist Jewish faith.

> Germany at one time was mostly Lutheran, and Martin Luther believed the

> head

> of the Church should be the head of State, and Hitler was merging the

> state

> with the Lutherans as a state religion with the Popes Blessings, because

> that is a form of Communism all the Popes want for themselves, but choose

> to

> use puppet Governments to accomplish it so that they can distance

> themselves

> from the dirty deeds, and the number of active Catholics were out

> numbering

> active Lutherans for the first time in a long time, so that any critics of

> the Catholics were marked as insane, and were sent to the concentration

> camps. Any Lutheran or Catholic that was of Jewish decent was marked with

> a

> star of David along with people of the Jewish Religion, so the majority of

> the people marked as Jews were Christians. There were basically only two

> political parties when the rise of Hitler began, a conservative fascist

> rightwing, and a liberal communist leftwing, and the majority of the Jews

> and Catholics were Communists on the leftwing, and the majority of the

> Protestants were on the rightwing, just like in the USA now. The Promotion

> of the Two Marys by the News medias was an attempt by the Catholics to get

> the Jews and the Evangelicals to see their view, and join the puppet

> Government against the Muslims, just like they influenced the Lutherans to

> do in Germany, so that they could destroy the Lutherans and Jews together,

> only now it is to destroy the Jews, Evangelicals and Muslims together. In

> Germany all Criminals and Political Opponents eventually after Hitler

> rose,

> left the country or went to the concentration camps as slave labor, and

> they

> put prisoners in charge of the prisoners, and the antichrist Jews were the

> most ruthless rulers over the Christens of Jewish descent, and the

> Political

> opponents of Hitler, and the Gypsies, and the Homosexuals, and the Common

> Criminals.

>

> WW2 Religions from an Atheist slant of propaganda, he tries to blame all

> Christians for the Nazi Catholics mistakes, but shows how the Protestants

> gave up fellow Christians of Jewish descent, just like many of the Nazi

> Catholics did.

>

> http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm#anchor2

>

> Description of what led to the final solution, which did not just pertain

> to

> people of Jewish descent, but to the other 90% of the prisoners too.

>

> http://cghs.dadeschools.net/ib_holocaust2001/Final_Solution/organization/final_solution_organization.htm

>

> (There are a lot of actual videos of prisoners in the concentration camps,

> and notice that very few or none in most of the videos are wearing a star

> of

> David, and that supports the records of eyewitnesses that say only about

> 10%

> were of Jewish descent, and many of that 10% were Christians with Jewish

> descent. Here is a link where you will find many actual videos that have

> no

> propaganda in them, and documentaries that have propaganda in them.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfVXF84fK48 )

>

> When Hitler rose to power, which of the two Political Points of View did

> the

> current Pope take back then, the conservative fascists, or the liberal

> communists? Pope John Paul was from Communist Poland, was he a

> conservative

> fascists, or the liberal communists?

>

> Under the influence of the Communists, Al Gore cannot walk up a Mountains

> and check the air composition to see what the level of He, N2 and O2,

> Carbon

> and Sulfur, CO2 and CFCs, is in the air every 500 feet in altitude, and

> find

> out why full grown trees are shorter higher up than at the Mountain's

> base,

> and he cannot find out why trees cannot grow above a certain altitude.

> Under

> the influence of the Communists, Al Gore cannot figure out that because

> CO2

> is heavier than O2, gravity will not permit enough CO2 to rise high enough

> for trees to grow on mountain tops, and under the influence of the

> Communists, Al Gore cannot figure out that CFCs are heavier than CO2, and

> cannot ascend to the upper Dry Stratosphere where CO2 and H2O is too heavy

> to ascend that high, so that it would be impossible for CFCs to ascend to

> the Ozone Layer and destroy it. Under the influence of the Communists, Al

> Gore has to promote the lies of the Communists Scientists who formed the

> IPCC in 1988 and took over the UN and the US Government and even testified

> to and persuaded the Pope to be on their side against the Christian

> Scientists.

>

> Hey Al Gore and you environmental political nuts, instead of helping the

> Communists destroy and overthrow our Government with your fake Family

> Values, why not take and add up the weights of the Atoms for yourself, and

> see that one Chlorine Atom (Atomic weight 35.4,) alone, is heaver than H2O

> (Molecular Atomic weight 18,) which one Chlorine Atom cannot exist alone

> in

> nature for long, and the diatomic Chlorine green gas molecule (Molecular

> Atomic weight 70.8) is heavier than CO2, (Molecular Atomic weight 44,)

> and

> that is why Chlorine ends up in salts in the oceans, instead of rising to

> the stratosphere?

>

> Here is some more info on tests to run, if you choose a mountain next to

> LA,

> why can the Smog not rise high enough to get over the mountains, and just

> hangs there over the city, and along the coasts until lower forming

> clouds

> hall it away to make acid rains? Because only NO can make it to the top of

> the mountain range, and O3 (Molecular Atomic weight 48) and NO2 (Molecular

> Atomic weight 46) and NO3 (Molecular Atomic weight 62) and NO4 (Molecular

> Atomic weight 78) and SO (Molecular Atomic weight 48) and SO2 (Molecular

> Atomic weight 64) are too heavy, so very little of any of these, if any of

> these, can make it to the top of the mountain range, and no CFCs rise as

> high as the Mountain peaks, because the CFCs are heavier than these Ozone

> and Nitrogen Oxide and Sulfur Oxide Molecules, and these form Cloud

> Condensation Nuclei where in the H2O they form with excited Hydrogen Atoms

> to produce heavier Acid Molecules for Acid Rains downwind from the Cities

> where they are formed. (As an experienced Nuclear Biological and Chemical

> Warfare Instructor, I studied Weather Patterns and Terrain Patterns

> looking

> for places where enemy traps could be set up, where they could deploy

> Chemical and or Biological Weapons with the best effectiveness, and the

> Weather Patterns and Terrain Patterns around LA make it an Ideal Target

> for

> the Chemical and or Biological Warfare Agents, if they can disperse enough

> of it into the air, because the Warfare Agents are heavier than Smog, and

> would cling in heavier concentration closer to the ground in LA than Smog,

> with the mountains blocking them in, and no wind to blow them away, it

> could

> cause a lot of damage and loss of life. The Military Intelligence Agencies

> were aware of that vulnerability of the Californian Coast early on in the

> Cold War, and because the population and residential areas have now

> changed

> since then, how they are set up now to adjust and defend the Californian

> Coast against Chemical and or Biological Warfare Agents, that I am not

> sure

> of now, and they and they hews medias should keep that as secret as

> possible

> so as not to tip our enemies off to our current defense, for they had

> defense plans coving it in WW2 too, that our enemies know about, so we

> frequently change plans to throw them off guard. That situation in LA and

> the Californian Coast is also why the insurgents in Iraq are attempting to

> use Chlorine Trucks as Bombs in Iraq in some places, because Deadly

> Diatomic

> Green Chlorine Gas is heavy, and clings to the ground, and in the right

> Terrain on a windless day, if in a high enough concentration in a

> concentrated population area, it could cause a lot of damage and loss of

> life, like what happened to the Kurds.)

>

> From the ground up to about 31,000 feet is called the Troposphere, and

> from

> about 31,000 to about 160,000 is called the Stratosphere.

>

> Between 21.000 to 31,000 feet there is enough moisture there at times, and

> it is cold enough there that Jet Vapor Trails can form an Ice Crystal

> Cirrus

> Cloud that does not disappear like the Jet Vapor Trails that temporarily

> form in the Dry Stratosphere above about 31,000 feet. Communist

> Environmental

> Groups that wanting to destroy Western Technology and Power, so they can

> take us over, are trying to convince people otherwise.

>

> http://video.google.com/url?docid=-2815320198655156407&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=chemtrails&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-2815320198655156407%26q%3Dchemtrails&usg=AL29H231MHYMvJxoM4QLQISZDHntjpnYvQ

>

> Above 23,000 feet in the Troposphere, lower than 31,000 feet where the

> Stratosphere begins, Cirrus Ice Crystal Clouds form both naturally from

> Heavier Molecules formed in the middle about 52,000 feet to upper about

> 160,000 feet Stratosphere from light Atoms, and from manmade Molecules

> formed in the upper Troposphere at 23,000 to 31,0000 feet, and forming

> short

> lived manmade Stratospheric Clouds as Vapor Trails in the lower Dry

> Stratosphere at 31,000 to 52,000 feet, there is not enough water there to

> form a longer lasing Ice Crystal Clouds, just enough water forms by the

> burning of the Fuels to form a short live Vapor Trail, (Even though some

> of our best Jets cannot go that high, I will use 52,000 feet because it is

> a

> Military secret how high our best jets can fly because of how they

> overcome

> the lower density of air needed for lift on the wings at that altitude,

> and

> how they over come the too low of an amount of oxygen needed for air

> breathing Jet Engines to burn fuel, ) and if any manmade event is having

> any

> effect on the Weather Patterns anywhere, Jets and Planes flying above

> 23,000

> feet are doing it, because they try to fly 30,000 to 52,000 feet to get

> over

> the stronger turbulence zones that starts and varies from ground level up

> to an altitude of about 23,000 feet, but it is doubtful that manmade vapor

> trails are causing Global Climate Change, because the exact same gases

> formed by the exothermic reactions of Air and Fuel in Air Berating Engines

> of Jet and Plane as exhaust, that is used by nature as manmade Cloud

> Condensation Nuclei to form manmade vapor trails, these same gases are

> produced many times more abundantly by nature in the middle about 52,000

> feet to the upper about 160,000 feet Stratosphere by the Sun's different

> wavelengths of Light, and Earth's Magnetic Field, as naturally made Cloud

> Condensation Nuclei that descends by Gravity to the Troposphere blow

> 31,000

> feet, every moment of every day, and without them naturally forming for

> H2O

> to condense on when they sink by Gravity to the Troposphere, there would

> be

> no Clouds forming anywhere to give us rain and snow for plants and fresh

> drinking water cattle and wildlife and us, and our Aircraft would not be

> able to fly as high as they do.

>

> When some scientists figured out how Clouds form naturally, and saw how

> man's aircraft duplicate the natural process in a small degree, they

> came

> up with a limited way of producing some manmade clouds for manmade rain

> when

> the right conditions existed, and when the scientists showed it to their

> Rulers, the Nations that found it, made it a Military Secret, and some of

> the Rulers of the Nations decided to use the Ignorance of the Public, to

> deceive them into helping them make a profit for themselves, and for

> enslaving others, and they are deliberately deceiving, and or bribing, and

> or blackmailing, other Rulers and Businessmen and Scientists and Citizens,

> to help them.

>

> In an area where a concentration of Air craft Flights over 23,000 feet are

> affecting local Weather Patterns by seeding the atmosphere with manmade

> Cloud Condensation Nuclei, it is like seeding clouds with frozen CO2,

> called

> Dry Ice to form Carbonic Acid, as Cloud Condensation Nuclei to cause a

> local

> rain under the right conditions. Enough CO2 normally does not ascend that

> high to form natural Cloud Condensation Nuclei from Carbonic Acid because

> of Gravity, but Dry Ice acts like the naturally formed Heavier Molecules

> that form other Acids as Cloud Condensation Nuclei, except clouds seeded

> with Dry Ice the Clouds form around the Carbonic Acid as Cloud

> Condensation

> Nuclei. So if it is a problem in a local area, to stop Air Traffic from

> affecting local Weather Patterns, all that the Air Traffic Controllers

> would

> have to do, is ban flights over 23,000 feet that affect the area by the

> manmade Cloud Condensation Nuclei, causing the manmade Weather Patterns,

> and

> local Weather Patterns would turn back to natural Weather Patterns.

>

> The lie about CFCs was produced by the Communists so they could keep

> refrigerators away from undeveloped countries, so that they could keep

> them

> developing infrastructure and keep them dependant on them feeding them

> with

> handouts, as hand fed slaves. The Elite and Rulers of Great Britain

> adopted

> the lie for their own Coal and Oil and Recourse Profits, and soon the

> Elite

> and Rulers of the US and the Elite and the Rulers of the UN did too, so

> that they can control the would population, as they decide who lives and

> who

> dies, in undeveloped Nations, so that they can take their Coal and Oil and

> Resources for the G-7 Nations which became the G-8 with Russia. It is

> funny

> that two different people showed me Russian and Chinese Military

> Documents,

> that both said that they were instructing their comrades on how to use the

> lies about CFCs to keep masses of people under control, as hand fed slave

> labor.

>

>

> Add up the Molecular Atomic Masses yourself, and run the experiments that

> I

> mentioned, and also don't rely on their remote censoring devices, and get

> some accurate samples from every 500 feet of altitude in the lower and

> middle and upper stratosphere, and test them yourself, you will see that

> they are all lying about CFCs destroying the Ozone Layer, and they are

> lying

> about CO2 causing Global Warming.(They could not give me an accurate

> enough

> spectroscopes to detect roadside bombs, and I could not develop the ones

> that they have to be accurate enough to detect roadside bombs, and as

> remote

> censoring devices for atmospheric composition, I found most of them to be

> less than 20% accurate, some near 55% to 60% accurate.)

>

> http://www.noblemind.com/search.exe?keyword=Elements+Alphabetical+Listing&var=2

>

> What was hidden from the Public by another Ruler, is the same things that

> are hidden from the Public today by our rulers.

>

> Bush and the Tax and Spend Democrats and the Borrow until Economic

> Collapse

> Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians, and deceived the

> Public with a choice between two evils on state ballots, to outlaw the

> sanctified marriages of the God of Abraham, who sanction the marriages of

> Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others, being sanctified marriages of

> one

> man married to multiple women as one wife, and Bush and the Tax and Spend

> Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans deceived the

> Public to persecute true Jews and true Christians that believe the truth,

> the same way Hitler deceived the Public to do, as they divided the one

> nation under God and bought the wrath of the unbelieving upon the

> believing

> whom are justified by God, not by man's law or religions.

>

>

> Like Hitler robbed the gold from the physically and mentally disabled in

> the

> Catholic insane asylums and nursing homes of Nazi Germany, because they

> spoke out against the abuse of the Catholic Doctors, their only crime,

> they

> were not Catholic, and having committed no crime either, the Tax and Spend

> Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans hearkened to

> false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as Doctors, to count their

> critics as insane, and take away their liberties by accusations of being

> delusional, as the Doctors make monies from the Government for expensive

> and

> dangerous and deadly mind control drugs.

>

> Rare Russian footage of Russians who were stripped, and their hair was

> shaved off to make pillows and mattresses, and the good looking women were

> raped, and then murdered.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVz8gFPtfw0

>

> Like Hitler's Doctors caused what they told the Public was Iatrogenic

> Illnesses and Iatrogenic Deaths, the Borrow until Economic Collapse

> Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as

> Doctors, who claim they are preventing epidemics, as they cause epidemics

> of Autistic Children by their vaccines and drugs, as they cause damage to

> the long term heath of the Public by their vaccines and drugs, as

> multitudes

> die prematurely all across the USA.

>

> Like Hitler's Judges, the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans

> hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as Judges who

> blindly apply the Law, so that all that oppose them are counted as

> criminals

> and insane and dangerous even though they committed no crime, their

> liberty

> is taken away.

>

> Like Hitler's Jailers, who jailed those Christians and Gypsies who were

> not

> Catholics with Jews, and the Guards turned the jailed Jews against the

> jailed Christians and Gypsies, who were killed first, often by the jailed

> Jews trying to buy more time for themselves, the Borrow until Economic

> Collapse Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and

> Atheists, as Jailers who allow abuse from prisoners against one another,

> and

> they keep track of it, so that when they have a Political or Religious

> prisoner that want to get rid of, they may jail them among their enemies,

> and say like many Nazi Guards said, they said, "We were just common Guards

> or just common Soldiers, the prisoners did it to each other."

>

> This ballot gives you the right to choose between two evils, which do you

> consider to be the lesser of the two evils?

>

> Caught between the Turf Wars of Legal Corporate Iatrogenic enslaving

> Medications, and Illegal Street enslaving Iatrogenic Medications,

> so that either side that we choose we will become Iatrogenic Slaves owned

> by

> our Drug Dealers, so which of the two groups of Iatrogenic Medical Slave

> Masters, are the lesser of the two evils?

>

> Lets see, if you choose the Legal Corporate Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and

> stop taking their Legal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream

> that, "you are crazy," and can lock you up, and force the Legal Iatrogenic

> Medicines upon you to keep you enslaved!

>

> But if you choose the Illegal Street Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and stop

> taking their Illegal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream,

> "No

> don't go," and to try to keep you enslaved, they say, "I will give you a

> free hit if you stay," but if you don't accept it, they can not lock you

> up,

> and you are no longer enslaved, your are free!

>

> Are you ready to Vote?

>

> But wait a minute, didn't we have the right to choose the 13th Amendment,

> just so that we could be free from Slavery? Did you guys forget to tell

> these people that run our Society this way, about the accomplishments of

> the

> Civil War? Oh wait, because of the Drugs that they forced upon me, I

> forgot

> all about that guy that took the Presidency! Lets see, what was his name?

>

> Was it George? Or was it Mud?

>

> Us Iatrogenic Medical Slaves, say to our Slave Masters, give us Liberty,

> or

> give us death!

>

> For you deliberately conspired to do this thing, and you are now in

> violation of the 13th Amendment of our US Constitution!

>

> To the dishonest and greedy Racketeering US Doctors and US Medical Staff

> and

> US Drug Manufactures and US Officials.

>

> As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation

> Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and

> to

> my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to

> face

> with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever

> interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have

> busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and

> gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,

> and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence

> to the loyal among the US Government.

>

> We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground

> Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US

> Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,

> secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no

> membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our

> Duty

> that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of

> defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we

> serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,

> Foreign and Domestic.

>

> We have found that most Politicians and Judges and Lawyers and Police

> Officers and the Media and the Public, do not even know what an Iatrogenic

> Illness is! And we have found that some of you have deliberately taken

> advantage of their ignorance, and you have conspired to use your Freedom

> to

> say whatever you want to say, to influence and help them design and set up

> our Hospitals and our Clinics and our Courts, just so that some of you can

> try to get away with producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses. Just so that

> you can make a Wealthy Lifestyle for yourselves, as you continue getting

> paid for causing the Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses as Slave Masters of

> Iatrogenic Medical Slavery! And we have found that many of you are

> influencing or buying out the judgment of the FDA, or Politicians, or

> other

> Officials, or of the Media, just to get them to approve and support the

> use

> of Drugs, that often cause more harm than good, because they were

> developed

> to make you the Slave Masters, and the Slave Owners, of those that you

> deliberately targeted and bound in your Iatrogenic Medical Slavery!

>

> Some of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses,

> are

> not used for the category of Mental Illnesses, but are not cures of

> sicknesses, they are classified as Treatments for Chronic Sicknesses. But

> a

> majority of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic

> Illnesses,

> are used for the category of what they call Chronic Mental Illnesses. And

> we

> have found that you have even been using the Mass Media, to play upon

> people's ignorance of Mental Illnesses, to build fear in them, as you

> build

> prejudice in them, so that you can motivate them to do your dirty works at

> your will. And we found some of you have been deliberately brainwashing

> our

> society for a long time, to get them to blindly support, and to blindly

> follow along with your scam of Medical Racketeering. And out of their

> ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have

> tricked them into giving you the authority to use force, even upon those

> whom you falsely claim have a Dangerous Mental Illness. And out of their

> ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have

> built prejudice in them, and often motivate them by your influence over

> the

> collective social group, to use intimidation, as a fear factor, upon those

> who you falsely claim need your Medications, that cause Iatrogenic

> Illnesses. And some of you are deliberately abusing the authority to use

> force, as you force upon people ignorant of Mental Illnesses, Medications

> that cause Iatrogenic Illnesses, just so that you can enslave them in your

> Iatrogenic Medical Slavery.

>

> I have the Detailed Documentation of what they are planning and doing,

> enough to get thousands of convictions, does anyone want it?

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Previous Letter to the President

>

> Mr. President and Mr. Vice President

>

> The Secret of the Rosary

>

> We did not give Saddam Chemical Weapons. Follow this background, and it

> will

> show you what is going on.

>

> The Old hardliner European Communists united with the Asian Communists,

> and

> they have been studying the Religions and Secular Groups for years, to see

> how they could use them to overthrow NATO, and they have infiltrated the

> Catholics, the Evangelicals, the Church of England, the Muslims, and the

> State of Israel, and Secular Groups, and the Communists are leading them

> by

> their own desirers and greed for power, using them to destroy and

> overthrow

> the Governments of the Western Nations from within.

>

> During WW2, the arch enemies of the Catholics, the Lutherans, and the

> Church

> of England, and the Evangelicals, and the Jews, and the Gypsies, and the

> Muslims, and Buddhists, and Atheists, among England, and Germany, and

> Italy,

> and Japan, and Poland, and the Communist Nations, were turned one against

> the other by the Pope, and to throw the blame on someone else, the

> Catholics

> wanted the world to believe that it was just a Political Nazi thing, and

> that all that they were killing was Jews, and the Catholics got 60 Million

> Lutherans, and followers of the Church of England, and the Evangelicals,

> and

> the Jews, and the Gypsies, and the Muslims, and Buddhists, and Atheists,

> among Germany and Italy and Japan and Poland and the Communist Nations

> Killed.

>

> Notice who died in the Concentration Camps and Insane Asylums. (Many of

> the

> Insane Asylums and Nursing Homes in Europe that became Concentration

> Camps,

> were owned and run by Catholics, and the people were counted insane and

> were

> admitted and locked up for the safety of the Public, most just because of

> their Political, and or Religious, and or Non-Religious, Behaviors. Notice

> Catholic Critics were on the extermination Lists,

> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/germany/euthanasia/ftp.py?places/germany/euthanasia//14f13.01

> This was because though Germany was largely a Lutheran Nation for many

> years, the Lutherans numbers were dwindling and many of them were inactive

> in their Church, and Catholics began to dominate society, so criticizing

> Catholics had become considered bad behavior because of the growing

> Catholic

> Influence.)

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DW9lyMqeyM

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzml_3fApSU

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ihEoQPQ6Y

>

>

> Notice they call him Hitler's Pope, and the Pope's words did not match his

> actions, because it was just his own propaganda to keep himself and the

> Catholics looking clean, while writing off all the influence he used to

> stir

> up the War as Nazi and communist propaganda, because he listened to and

> encouraged both Hitler and the Communists, so that the Pope could destroy

> the German Lutherans and the Jews and the rest of his enemies together.

>

> http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0028.html

>

>

>

> The Catholics are leading the Jews to War in Palestine and Lebanon, and an

> Inevitable War with Iran to try to destroy as many of them as possible.

>

> "Since 1993 I have been warning that Iran is the only enemy that poses an

> existential threat to Israel."

>

> A quote from- Maj. Gen. Efraim Sneh former Israeli deputy defense minister

>

> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/9/93736.shtml?s=lh

>

>

> Notice that since 1993 he did not believe Iraq posed an existential threat

> to Israel. Why? He knew then that Iraq had no WMD left.

>

> Pope John Paul the 2nd, has just been blowing the devils smoke at the

> House

> of Joseph, the heir by birthright of the House of Israel, and had his

> people

> influencing the conflict between Israel and the Muslims in Iraq.

>

> The Polish Pope John Paul the 2nd, had many more followers that dwindled

> down to a number of 300,000 thousand followers in Iraq by 9-11, and these

> wanted no contact with American Christians like the Evangelical Pat

> Robison,

> and Pope John Paul the 2nd had followers in all the States that gave false

> intelligence reports about WMD in Iraq to Western Intelligence Agencies,

> as

> many of his followers follow his predecessor's advice since before the

> Fall

> of the USSR, to invest in both Western and Eastern Industrial Military and

> Medical and Educational and Media Complexes, and like the Communists,

> their

> aim is to use the State of Israel to gain Political Power over the US, but

> the Catholics want to use the State of Israel and the Jews to destroy the

> Muslims.

>

> We did not give Saddam Chemical Weapons. Saddam had no conventional

> weapons

> factories, and bought all his weapons from the Soviet Union. The Chemical

> shells and warheads that he used against Iran and the Kurds were all made

> in

> the Old Soviet Union, and all his conventional weapons too. Saddam's

> Chemical Weapons were used up against Iran, except for old useless

> corroded

> shells and warheads that could not be used. Saddam led UN inspectors to

> them, to get them to destroy them, while he blocked inspections else where

> so he could make his enemies think he still had WMD, that way Iran and the

> Kurds would not be likely to attack him. and so he could use the sanctions

> as power and an excuse to starve any Iraqis that still stood with the US

> from during the Iraq Iran War.

>

> We only gave Iraq a few dual use Biological Agents that the Pentagon later

> claimed was the Basis of Iraq's Biological Warfare program, and because

> making conventional weapons was too hard for Saddam, he realized the

> aluminum tubes and equipment he bought for a Nuclear program would be

> useless to him, so under secret Russian escort he sold his Nuclear program

> to Libya in 1993. And this is why Maj. Gen. Efraim Sneh, the former

> Israeli

> deputy defense minister, did not mention Iraq as a threat to Israel, even

> though the US and Britain and Israel promoted Saddam as such a threat to

> Israel, falsely saying it was because of his WMD programs, they were

> keeping

> Saddam pinned down with no fly zones since 1991.

>

>

> The Communists in Albania, Kosovo, Chechnya, etc, and Israel, baited the

> US's and Britain's greed for Oil and their need for a new Weapons Market,

> with false Intelligence reports on WMD in Iraq, because they knew that

> NATO's Industrial Western Military Complexes were going broke because of

> the

> end of the Cold War, and new that they could finance and use the

> Industrial

> Western Military Complexes, to draw us into an expensive War that would

> help

> the European communists and Asian Communists destroy our credibility and

> our

> Economy, by coaxing the US and Britain to want to target all the countries

> of the Fallen USSR, and do away with their Old Soviet conventional Weapons

> and replace them with NATO weapons. That is what the Middle East conflicts

> and the new Missile defense system is all about.

>

> It is all about Oil and keeping NATO's Industrial Western Military

> Complexes

> making money. The Financers of the Industrial Western Military Complexes

> had

> the Government take the US off the gold standard as the USSR fell, why?

> They

> saw that the Industrial Western Military Complexes would need to cut back

> on

> expenses because of the end of the Arms Race with the USSR. Without the

> Arms

> Race they need to pay slave wages to keep the Industrial Western Military

> Complexes in businesses.

>

> The Catholics and the European and Asian Communists using the State of

> Israel have both the Tax and Spend Democrats and the Borrow until Economic

> Collapse Republicans holding on to a new model to build on so that they

> can

> get more of their Agents into the US and overthrow our Country from

> within.

> They want to attract the more intelligent minds from around the world and

> make America the New Dubai, because that is how they built Dubai. But to

> do

> that for America will mean displacing or blocking out three fourths of the

> population like Dubai did also, because that three fourths of the

> population

> cannot afford to live there.

>

> So at best what they are going to do for America, is widen the gap between

> the rich and the poor, and make areas where only the rich can afford to

> live, and make ghettos for the poor that could become infested with street

> gangs, but wait, that is what they have already done, so why are they just

> going to make it worse? Do you know why so many working Middle class and

> working poor are defaulting on loans and or cannot afford a home? They

> took

> us off the Gold standard to make us slaves.

>

> $19.14 an hour with Gold at $670 an ounce, is the same buying power as the

> minimum wage of $1.00 with Gold at $35.27 in 1960. The slave Masters just

> want more slaves.

>

> The Deceived Rulers of the UN and G-8, as leaders of their dream new

> world

> order, they are deciding who will live in their new world order, and who

> will die, and are even using a lie that Global Warming is caused by CO2,

> knowing that it has been caused by an increase in Solar Activity. They are

> falsely blaming CO2, so that they can keep undeveloped Nations from

> developing, so that they can starve them and steal their Coal and Oil.

> Just

> like the Oil for Food program for Iraq, none of the Aide programs for

> Africa

> or other undeveloped nations will keep them from starving, because all

> that

> they are getting is handouts from the greedy Rulers of the Nations in

> exchange for access to the Coal and Oil Fields, and they will not let the

> Africans build infrastructure so that they can desalinate water and grow

> food for themselves, so eventfully they will starve to death like over a

> million Iraqis did in Iraq.

>

>

> Just stay C.A.L.M. everybody, we are here for you!

>

> Follow me, I am a US Army Veteran!

>

> As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation

> Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and

> to

> my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to

> face

> with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever

> interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have

> busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and

> gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,

> and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence

> to the loyal among the US Government.

>

> We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground

> Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US

> Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,

> secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no

> membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our

> Duty

> that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of

> defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we

> serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,

> Foreign and Domestic.

>

> In Service of God and Country

>

> Joseph R Loegering

>

> Founder, of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm!

>

> The unarmed underground, Civil American Liberties Militia!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Posted
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:15:02 -0700, "sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com>

wrote:

>".....The second subject of interest is the rapidly increasing melting of

>the Greenland icecap, a process that has speeded up way beyond any computer

>projection. Most scientists, outside of official U.S. ones, agree that the

>entire huge ice cap will melt (at the present accelerating rate) within five

>years, not five hundred. If this happens, and all the serious projections

>indicate that it will, there will be a disastrous rise in sea levels, a

>neutralizing of the Gulf Stream and massive and permanent flooding of most

>of the American east and gulf coasts and a massive destruction to the

>commercial infastructure that will have devastating financial consequences.

>For this reason, the matter is not to be discussed by any governmental

>agency and public discussion in any of the major media outlets has been kept

>very quiet. The Bush people pray it will not happen before they are out of

>office. "

>

>If you own property on the coast, at or slightly above the current sea

>level, my advise to you is to sell now while you can. When this becomes

>ohvious, you will be sol about selling anything and your neighbors will be

>moving to Chicago."

>

>

>

>(Voice of the White House, June 6, 2007. http://TBRlive.org )

>

 

You know, Greenland used to be ice-free. The icecap is only a recent

feature (in terms of geological time). Sounds to me like the earth is

returning back to normal.

 

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Yeah, normal. Too bad normal does not involve humans.

Guest Perseid
Posted

After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> Spat

the Words

>> i am a radical muslim please read my blog, read how islam will win

>> the clash of civilization.

>>

>> http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha

>

> Thank you - we have now implemented the first of your suggestions, to raise

> our civilization towards your exalted levels.

>

> We have put Paris Hilton where she belongs, in jail. Thanks for the tip.

>

> Now what's next, O enlightened one?

>

 

What's next ?

 

One night in Paris, for all American men.

  • 2 months later...
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\)
Posted

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1181860108.249754.73940@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 14, 4:51 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1181854014.048628.249130@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> > > On Jun 14, 3:05 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

> > > wrote:

> > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > > > > The Iraq War is a Crusade against Islam.

> >

> > > > At least you're not blind... although openly ignoring the oil.

> >

> > > > > Jews are, really, on the sidelines.

> >

> > > > You're kidding, right? The inception of the State of Israel and the

> > > > unquestioning US support thereof is the main cause of violence.

> > > Sorry, no. Israel is neutral on the Iraq War.

> >

> > I understand your viewpoint, however I don't believe that Israel can

> > possibly maintain any sort of 'neutrality' on any major event in the

> > Middle East... especially one that involves such a massive presence

> > and domination by the USA.

> >

> > > Israeli experts have

> > > stated that Iraq was more stable with Saddam in power than it is now.

> >

> > The whole world can see that. Only the complacent, couch-potato

> > Americans who feast on television and mainstream media propaganda

> > think otherwise.

> >

> > > They're afraid of Iran, of course, but it is not clear that the U.S.

> > > presence in Iraq is helping matters there.

> >

> > Of course it's not. No more than it's helping the Kurdish situation

> > in Egypt.

> >

> > > Christians and Muslims

> > > have been battling for world dominance for almost 1,500 years.

> >

> > Funny... I don't see that as being a major issue, but perhaps that's

> > a result of the propaganda that I have been fed over the past 54

> > years. What I do see, is the totalitarian government of the USA

> > which is a result of the corporate Coup D'Etat of 2000, is trying

> > everything within their power to convince the citizenry that this

> > bogus war for natural resources has something to do with religion.

> >

> > > Jews

> > > were on the side of the Muslims up to the seventeenth century. They

> > > side with Christians currently, because Christians are currently the

> > > dominant world religion.

> >

> > Christianity is not the dominant world religion (as you must discount

> > both the Jewish faith and the Catholic faith).

> >

> > > Israel is slavishly subservient to the U.S.

> > > because they are dependant on U.S. support to prevent sanctions from

> > > the U.N.

> >

> > In my humble opinion, exactly the opposite is true. The USA is massively

> > subservient to Israel in order to keep a forward, nuclear powered military

> > foothold in the middle east.

> >

> > > If you are wondering about the truth of what I say, I recommend the

> > > short story by the Russian writer I.A. Bunin, the Israeliste (1908).

> > > He predicted the coming of a Jewish State in Palestine, to act as both

> > > a forward base for Christianity against Islam, and as a homeland for

> > > the Jews.

> >

> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Alekseyevich_Bunin

> >

> > I am of a mind that it has nothing to do with religion, but is a military

> > positioning for the purpose of dominating global resources.

> >

> > Thanks for the link.... of course I can't read this overnight, but I relish

> > the input of non-US writers and news media on all such issues.

> >

> > Cheers.

>

> I think you dramatically underestimate the importance of religion to

> the world. Religion determines economy, culture, and law to a very

> high degree, when it is taken seriously.

 

I still can't put the military and corporate aspects of this out of mind.

There's just too much 'in-your-face' evidence.

> Ever hang out in the Bible

> Belt in the U.S? They're more fanatical than the Iranians.

 

I was born there, and I continue to live in the region. It's scary. ;-)

> They long

> for the Apocalypse. Death means nothing to them. They'll get to meet

> Jesus.

 

It's beyond me that I wasn't infected as a child. I guess I had some

good parents, teachers and mentors.

> Here's a Russian version with hyperlinked word defintions of the Bunin

> story "Judea" or "The Israelite". I'm not sure there's an English

> version online. I'm thinking of translating it myself.

>

> http://conradish.net/literatura.dhtml.php?doc=Ivan_Alekseevich_Bunin;Iudeya;Glava_I

 

I'm still picking at this.... unbelievable prophesy....

Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\)
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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1181859560.446741.54520@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 14, 4:54 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>

> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message...

> > > Why does it not surprise me that the same loon who thinks the

> > > Greenland ice cap is going to suddenly and entirely melt within the

> > > next five years is also convinced that Israelis are backing the Iraqi

> > > rebels?

> >

> > Perhaps you have missed the large amount of gunsight camera

> > footage taken of Iraqi snipers picking off US military personnel,

> > done with gunsight camera systems made in Israel. Some people

> > actually accuse Israel of firing the shots and distributing the footage.

> There are close to a million Russians now living as Israeli citizens.

> The total population of Israel is just seven million. The Russians

> are heavily involved in the international arms trade. Russia has

> great expertise in arms. So does Israel. It would be very surprising

> indeed if there were not some technological and business contacts

> between the Israeli and Russian arms dealers, under these

> circumstances.

>

> The Russians are most definitely supplying the Iranians with arms.

> They are very closely associated with the Iranians, and are open and

> proud about it. Russian television regularly features shots of

> Russian bought Iranian missles capable of taking out any ship or plane

> in the U.S. arsenal -- the "Sizzler" missle.

> The Iranians are, obviously, supplying the Iraqi rebels. Thus, it may

> be that some Israeli technical expertise is getting into the hands of

> the Iraqi rebels, by way of the Russians, whatever the Israeli

> government wishes to the contrary. That's what happens when you

> engage in a really dumb war, and take on the entire world. Even your

> friends end up helping your enemies, whether they want to or not.

 

I don't know if I fully buy the Iranian issue or not. Partly, for certain.

But a great deal of the image we see of Iran is propaganda. I agree

completely with your implications, though. It's a screwed up situation

if there ever was one. 'Makes me wonder how long the CIA thinks it

can continue to control the drug trade out of Afghanistan before the

general American public finally gets tired of it.

 

Given the desperation the US apparently has for defending Israel, we'll

never be allowed to see a really clear picture of Iran OR Iraq... or of

the real reasons for the Israeli alliance taking precedence over UN and

international laws.

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