A Christian Tries Islam for 30 Days

[Hamza123]

This is what it's like for Muslims in America.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8596690458731858361&q=30+days&pl=true

 

I'm not trying to imply that living in America as a Muslim is bad, I just wanted to show you what it's like. What do you all think ?? Please don't give me your opinion without watching the video!

 

Also white, christian, texan, conservative... MUSLIMS!!

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9184353144432289069&q=islam&pl=true

[Gallytuck]

I should be allowed access to Muslim women. Without having to marry her. They fuck around on their wives all the time with White women, so own up to fair play.

 

I have net streaming on right now and I'm enjoying the show. So no, I didn't watch the video.

[TheJenn88]

I watched the first video. I learnt some things about Islam - traditions and stuff. Having said that, though - I think most of it is bull. Then again, that's coming from my frame of reference where there aren't muslim communities within close proximity. In fact, it's all pretty ethnically and religiously diverse, so no one is really the "minority." I think that study is too extreme to really portray the average citizen.

[Hamza123]

In fact, it's all pretty ethnically and religiously diverse, so no one is really the "minority." I think that study is too extreme to really portray the average citizen.

 

Ethnically and culturaly, YES OF COURSE...

 

Religiously, well I am sorry, but I say NO! There is only 1 book followed by muslims, and that is the Qur'an. But like you said, and I also, cultural beliefs have a huge impact on religious interpretation.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Oh, Oh, Oh, let me guess.... The story goes something this...

 

1) Christian thinks islam is shit.

2) Christian tries islam for 30 days.

3) Now Christian thinks islam is great!

 

... After you've seen thousands of liberal propoganda shorts, you kinda get know'em. I don't even have to watch that crap to figure it by the fucking title.

 

Ham-Za, you're gonna have to do way better than that bullshit, to convince those of us with more than a 3rd grade education.

[TheJenn88]

Ethnically and culturaly, YES OF COURSE...

 

Religiously, well I am sorry, but I say NO! There is only 1 book followed by muslims, and that is the Qur'an. But like you said, and I also, cultural beliefs have a huge impact on religious interpretation.

 

What? I'm talking about there being such diversity that there isn't really a minorty. And then you say this. "Yes of course," to what? Ethnicity and Culture? Duh. "Religiously, NO!" Uh, YES there's religious diversity. I really don't think you made the point you were trying to, heh.

I know that there is only 1 book followed by muslims - what's your point in relation to what I said? And I don't believe I said anything about religious interpretation.

 

I said the study was bull because it was biased and extreme.

[Hamza123]

Oh, Oh, Oh, let me guess.... The story goes something this...

 

1) Christian thinks islam is shit.

2) Christian tries islam for 30 days.

3) Now Christian thinks islam is great!

 

... After you've seen thousands of liberal propoganda shorts, you kinda get know'em. I don't even have to watch that crap to figure it by the fucking title.

 

Ham-Za, you're gonna have to do way better than that bullshit, to convince those of us with more than a 3rd grade education.

 

Oh please.. I have heard the same shit from you on and on. Bud, just so you know, in my first post, I wrote that I didn't post it to sway any opinions, I just thought it was an interesting video.

[hugo]

Maybe that guy should see what it is like being a Christian for thirty days in Darfur.

[Zukiman]

Maybe that guy should see what it is like being a Christian for thirty days in Darfur.

Oh, they would behead him for that. Fucking ass backward primates!

[phreakwars]

I wouldn't mind being a porn star for 30 days... but NEVER a MUSLIM !!

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[snafu]

This is what it's like for Muslims in America.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8596690458731858361&q=30+days&pl=true

 

I'm not trying to imply that living in America as a Muslim is bad, I just wanted to show you what it's like. What do you all think ?? Please don't give me your opinion without watching the video!

 

Also white, christian, texan, conservative... MUSLIMS!!

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9184353144432289069&q=islam&pl=true

 

What the fuck are you trying to do? Convert us or have us condone you?

Both is bullshit. I won't follow a known rapesist anywere. Any religion that would kill you if you tried to think for yourselve is SHIT!

 

Fuck you and your religion.Your fucking religion would have him killed. That my friend is oppression.

[Hamza123]

What the fuck are you trying to do? Convert us or have us condone you?

Both is bullshit. I won't follow a known rapesist anywere. Any religion that would kill you if you tried to think for yourselve is SHIT!

 

Fuck you and your religion. You couldn't have a Muslim do the same thing. Your fucking religion would have him killed. That my friend is oppression.

 

You have a hostile tone... I can smell the ignorance. I won't convert people, and by my debates you see it's not my goal. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA because many Americans wan't it to be, and feel like it's right for them... Here comes the denial.

 

http://oznik.com/words/021212.html

 

Saudi's converted to Judiasm.. Nothing happened to them. There are small Jewish communities in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and especially Jordan. Nothing happens to them, you ONLY hear of the cases that happen once every Blue Moon, and you never hear of Muslim Opression in western lands... Don't tell us to expect it, because I could tell you the same thing for the ones living in the Middle East and Africa.

[Lethalfind]

I wouldn't mind being a porn star for 30 days... but NEVER a MUSLIM !!

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LOLOLOL, just when I was feeling all serious due to the topic.....

[snafu]

You have a hostile tone... I can smell the ignorance. I won't convert people, and by my debates you see it's not my goal. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA because many Americans wan't it to be, and feel like it's right for them... Here comes the denial.

 

http://oznik.com/words/021212.html

 

Saudi's converted to Judiasm.. Nothing happened to them. There are small Jewish communities in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and especially Jordan. Nothing happens to them, you ONLY hear of the cases that happen once every Blue Moon, and you never hear of Muslim Opression in western lands... Don't tell us to expect it, because I could tell you the same thing for the ones living in the Middle East and Africa.

 

 

We don

[Hamza123]

We don’t have Shari Law here. If the majority of Muslims had it their way we would. It happens all the time in countries that practice it. Shari law is in your Koran and it is oppression. Plain and simple. Try denying that.

 

Hahaha, Opression? Opression? Opressive practices, especially of women, have been influenced on by other cultures, therefore it's simply a cultural thing... Everytime you see mary, you see her wearing a true vail/Hijab... That was a cultural thing out of respect for women.

 

Shari'ah, not Shari, Law, (You want to talk and critisize but you don't even know the name) is some things scholars put together and declared as an Islamic Fatwa, it's not the direct word of God. Sharia means path or road which leads to water, and the only time in the Qur'an where it ever refers to the right path is when it sets the rules of SALAT! To pray. And thats the only time in which a man has a slight advantage. What advantage is that? WHEN WE PRAY THE MAN LEADS IT.... WHY?? WHEN YOU PRAY, IT'S FOR GOD, HAVING A WOMENS ASS IN YOUR FACE MAY CAUSE TEMPTATION... Now tell me thats not legitimet. Theres nothing wrong without leading a prayer.

 

People who turn from Islam are dealt with by Allah, not us..

 

Noble Verse 3:72 "A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam)."

 

I am basically following Islamic Law when I debate on here...

 

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"

 

We could careless what your religion is... Turn from our's, thats fine, come into it, good for you.

 

Noble Verse 5:3 ".....This day those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: Yet fear them not But fear Me (Allah). This day have I (Allah) perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your (complete) religion....".

 

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

 

'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"

 

CLEARLY, WE DON'T CARE FOR YOU IF YOU DO WRONG DEEDS AND WE LEAVE YOU ALONE... If murder is stated as a sin in Islam, and terrorism is murder, we basically denounce it by those verses which states that the wrong do-ers are going to hell...

 

"Say: 'Behold all that is in the heavens and on earth'; but neither Signs nor Warners profit those who believe not. Do they then expect (any thing) but (what happened in) the days of the men who passed away before them? Say: 'Wait ye then: for I, too, will wait with you.' (The Noble Quran, 10:101-102)" Notice how Allah Almighty orders us to say "Wait" to those who reject Islam. This clearly says that we can't force anyone into Islam, or punish anyone for leaving Islam.

 

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)" Prophet Muhammad's duty was only to preach.

 

"Those who pervert the Truth in Our Signs are not hidden from Us. Which is better? he that is cast into the Fire, or he that comes safe through, on the Day of Judgement? Do what ye will: Verily He seeth (clearly) all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 41:40)" Here we clearly see Allah Almighty giving a freedom of choice for people to choose or refuse Islam.

 

AND IMPORTANTLY...

 

"And those who take as protectors others besides Him - Allah doth watch over them; and thou art not the disposer of their affairs. (The Noble Quran, 42:6)" Again, Allah Almighty here told Prophet Muhammad that he has no authority over those who reject Islam.

 

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." The Holy Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam. Muslims must not let people resent Islam and Muslims. They must leave people decide for themselves because the "Truth stands out clear from error" (2:256).

 

I found many verses in the Quran that teach us NO PUNISHMENT for an apostate BUT I found no verse that says the contrary.

 

Here is another verse about the freedom of expression in the Quran. many translators translate this wrongly and kill the meaning of the word making it a bogus and strange statement. Noble Verse 39:18 "Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding."

 

The interpretation of those who prohibit women from education, even though Islam clearly allows education for women, and prohibit them also from driving, and oppress men by forcing them to grow beards, even though beards are NOT mandatory in Islam, doesn't mean much to me.

 

As we've seen above, it is quite clear, and beyond any questioning that Allah Almighty prohibited compulsion in religion and allowed the absolute freedom of religion to everyone.

 

 

Hopefully the colours can get into some thick skulls.

 

 

 

WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT HUH SNAFU?! BETCHA DIDN'T!! ANOTHER FOR THE BOOKS ALLAH! BOOYAKASHA!!

 

In the famouse words of snafu...

 

Plain and simple. Try denying that.

 

 

Some anti-Islamic Arabic speaking people say that the word "Islam" means particularly to "surrender". This is a clear lie, because "Islam" in Arabic means "submission".

 

Islam is derived from the word Salam which means peace. When someone says "as'SALAMu alaikum", he is saying may peace be upon you, or peace be upon you.

 

"Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion: Truth stands out clear from error...(The Noble Quran, 2:256)"

 

I DID A WHOLE RESEARCH PROJECT ON THIS... I worked on it for a month. This was for school... I eventually recieved a 97% and honors in Enlish Literature... Pfft, who would have thought an ex-ESL student. My point is, I have done the research, and I only need to say something, rather than proving your wrong... It's just humiliating.

[TheJenn88]

^^ Hamza, you can give all the proof you want.

It doesn't change the fact that some forms of idiocy are committed in the name of religion (especially Islam as of late). Your Qur'an means jack shit. Quoting it is proof of nothing.

 

Thou shalt not kill, steal, must honour thy mother and father, blah blah blah. That's your basic bible crap - how many people have turned from that? How many people have killed, stolen, and respected their elders? Just because a book is written out of idealism DOESN'T mean it's going to be followed.

 

 

Your Qur'an quoting does very little to prove anything. It's just some ink on paper. It doesn't not forcibly dictate the lives of people.

 

It doesn't matter if your faith is created and followed with the intent to do good. People still do wrong in the name of your religion - and that's what makes (your) religion evil.

[snafu]

Fuck you, you little twit. I forgot the A on the end of a shitty religious set of laws. The term Sharia refers to the body of Islamic law.

 

I wont

[Hamza123]

Yes Jenn, thats why I said it was a CULTURAL NOT RELIGIOUS THING... All three major religions were started in the Middle East, and the all have 400 years on Islam... Christians moved to North America to get away from Neo-Conservatives.

 

 

Fuck you, you little twit. I forgot the A on the end of a shitty religious set of laws. The term Sharia refers to the body of Islamic law.

 

I wont’ read your crap! I don’t belive in it and I don’t belive your butt buddies are interpeting it in a peacuful way either.

 

What does Mary wearing anything have to do with oppression? Because out of respect for Mary it’s okay to beat a women because her ankles show? Your bass-akwards religion can justify rapping a women and then needing four men to witness it before the women is believed? Go back and do some more homework. Spend another month on it you might get it right. And you musta got your 97% for spelling not for intelligence

 

Thats some nice name calling! I can tell that you're American just because when you know you're wrong, you don't like to admit it, and you start things like teasing and name calling... I clearly showed that anyone converting out of Islam is fine... Allah will deal with him. I don't need to do my homework as I have already read the Qur'an unlike YOU, what reliable sources do you have to judge Islam ?, other than your western media that likes to distort and edit the shit out of things to make it look like we are the enemy, just so your government can go to war for OIL.

[Hamza123]

Jenn BTW, you're only contradicting yourself...

 

It doesn't matter if your faith is created and followed with the intent to do good. People still do wrong in the name of your religion

 

and that's what makes (your) religion evil.

 

1. You're accusing the religion when you just said it didn't matter.

 

2. Only a small percentage are extremists, you're basically seeing all this through the media that wants our Image fucked up.

 

3. You're a Muslim because you follow the Qur'an, not anything else, therefore the true Muslims would do what I have stated from the Quran... So obviously the terrorists are NOT.

 

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Snafu, allow me to prove you wrong AGAIN. (This is fucking becoming into a day job)

 

"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"

 

"...I will not suffer the work of any worker from among you to be lost whether male or female, the one of you being from the other." Surah Al-Imran:195

 

 

 

"O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to take women as heritage against their will. Nor should you straiten them…." Surah Al-Nisa:19

 

 

 

These are just two examples of many. There are also many beautiful Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad(saas) in regards to women, especially of mothers;

 

 

 

“…the world lies at the feet of mothers.” Prophet Muhammad(saas)

 

 

 

“O’ ye men. Fear Allah and treat your women with kindness.” Prophet Muhammad(saas)

 

Also, in the farewell pilgrimage of Prophet Muhammad(saas), during his farewell speech, he implored men to be good and kind to their women and to deal with them justly. Where else would one find a religious book which dedicates an entire Surah (chapter) to the subject of Al-Nisa (women) in the most respectful terms other than Islam? The answer is nowhere.

 

 

[Skaterdude409]

The US is at war. Not all muslims are our enemies, but our enemies in this war are muslim. We will stop at nothing to crush all that oppose us. Two countries have already fallen and Iran is next. If they keep their nuclear program, we have justifacation to strip them of it. If they feel threatened enough to lash out and attack us, a horde of american youth will jump at the chance to enlist and crush Iran. The media tries to out distance between extremeists and muslims, but they try to cover up the truth of the matter. Islam is the root of the problem in the middle east.

[TheJenn88]

Jenn BTW, you're only contradicting yourself...

 

1. You're accusing the religion when you just said it didn't matter.

 

2. Only a small percentage are extremists, you're basically seeing all this through the media that wants our Image fucked up.

 

3. You're a Muslim because you follow the Qur'an, not anything else, therefore the true Muslims would do what I have stated from the Quran... So obviously the terrorists are NOT.

 

1. I wasn't necessarily targeting Islam - I don't like religion in general. That's why I put "(your)" in parentheses.

I have NO CLUE how you see my quotes as being contradictory. You are constantly misreading/misunderstanding everything I say.

Allow me to rephrase. It's irrelevant if religion has good intent - people still do wrong in the name of it, that's why the existance of religion sucks.

If you still find that hypocritical, get back to your ESL classes.

 

2. Yes, only a small percentage are extremists. But when it's the fastest growing religion, that SORTA scares me, eh? I'm scared of any extremist, they don't necessarily have to be muslim, but that seems to be the pick of the day. Because extremists, whether you like it or not, still represent your religion. And it only takes one extremist to kill dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people.

 

3. I don't think you're entitled to decide who is or isn't a Muslim. I'll say again - there are extremists in any faith. They consider themselves Muslim. It matters fuck all if you think they're a true muslim or not. Besides, religious text is SO open to interpretation that you can't consider your beliefs THE interpretation. For example, why do you think there's so many different denominations of Christianity? It's because they interpret their holy book differently. They're all Christian, but they interpret it differently.

[TheJenn88]

Thats some nice name calling! I can tell that you're American just because when you know you're wrong, you don't like to admit it, and you start things like teasing and name calling...

Blah blah blah. You keep trying to define things. What a muslim is. What an American is. Good grief - you gotta give up, man!

 

I can tell you're a Canadian because you're a dipshit little twerp that has piss poor retorts with a dash who thinks they know all about religion.

 

Damnit...

 

wait.....

 

is Canadian

 

 

See my point? I'm not like you - and I'm Canadian. You can't call our dear Snafu an American based upon the ignorance-based stereotype of what Americans are.

[Hamza123]

American Ignorance can be stereo typed... Just like Muslims according to many of your friends. BUT, If that was completely true, why would I be here. I am pinning a claim on Snafu, not generalizing... I would have generalize if I said all American's were ignorant. Just like all Muslims follow the same evil "cult" and what not... It just doesn't work.

 

When did I define what a Muslim was ??

 

This was simply talking about the Qur'an. 9/10, anti-Islamic debators use the same shit...

 

And no Snafu, those marks we're purely based on the fact that I wrote a great piece that brought insight to many open minded people. And it's ironic how I lost 3% for some spelling errors... Ah well figures, according to Jenn, I need to go back to ESL.

[Hamza123]

1. I wasn't necessarily targeting Islam - I don't like religion in general. That's why I put "(your)" in parentheses.

I have NO CLUE how you see my quotes as being contradictory. You are constantly misreading/misunderstanding everything I say.

Allow me to rephrase. It's irrelevant if religion has good intent - people still do wrong in the name of it, that's why the existance of religion sucks.

If you still find that hypocritical, get back to your ESL classes.

 

2. Yes, only a small percentage are extremists. But when it's the fastest growing religion, that SORTA scares me, eh? I'm scared of any extremist, they don't necessarily have to be muslim, but that seems to be the pick of the day. Because extremists, whether you like it or not, still represent your religion. And it only takes one extremist to kill dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people.

 

3. I don't think you're entitled to decide who is or isn't a Muslim. I'll say again - there are extremists in any faith. They consider themselves Muslim. It matters fuck all if you think they're a true muslim or not. Besides, religious text is SO open to interpretation that you can't consider your beliefs THE interpretation. For example, why do you think there's so many different denominations of Christianity? It's because they interpret their holy book differently. They're all Christian, but they interpret it differently.

 

Yet thats not my point, you can't interpret love as hate? Meaning you cannot interpret something from the Qur'an thats totally irrelevant to it's meaning, terrorists do it, and Islamophobics do it to things like Jihad and Muslims. They want to win this war, and we do too, I don't understand the concept behind scolding all these Muslims, I could careless, IF THEY WEREN'T AT WAR AND KILLING INNOCENTS, just for scolding me... Because I know that many generations have been through the same system and the same shit, so I am here trying to stop it... You see, I think it was NazzNegg who had told me to round up a bunch of sunnah/moderates and go stop terrorism...

 

1. I am currently doing so... Just in a unique way. I try to educate people on it at http://www.islamicity.com... I also have been to many Muslim anti-terrorism and anti-war protests, I have lead one in Toronto with some friends before.

 

2. We CAN'T stop them by force, unless we join the Military. But mass killing of our own people isn't our goal.

 

3. I am trying to stop terrorism by any means possible... However I am unfortunatley cut short... I have few resources myself.

 

4. I have been scaled to writing, talking, debates, and educating to a certain extent.

 

Now, on the extremists. I don't see how they represent our religion... Shall we blame the Germans for Hitler's (One person like you said) extremism ?? And he slaughtered MILLIONS. People have done horrible wrong in many religions, races, etc... THE KKK for example, shall we take into account their actions, and blame all the white people in America ?? DOING SO WOULD BE WRONG AND THERES ABSOLUTELY NO LOGIC TOO IT.

 

If interpretation was so different, not that it is not, but if it was at the extent on how you said it "is", than there would be no Millions of Muslims a day attending Mecca or even living together... They're all practising the same book, they all pray the same, perhaps not wishing for the same things to happen, how ever in a GENERAL SENSE, the moderate Muslims which account for a full BILLION and about a fourth more of the one and a half billion Muslims, all share a common intrest - Islam.

 

It matters fuck all if you think they're a true muslim or not.

 

But I am simply doing as most americans want me to... ROOT OUT EVIL!! How do I do it!! EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THAT ISLAM ISN'T EVIL BY SEPERATING THE TWO, AND DENOUNCING TERRORISM ESPECIALLY!!!

[Skaterdude409]

Another rant about how good Islam is. When will it end?