Guest Wide Eyed in Wonder Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 This is specifically about the terrorists that claim to be Muslims, not all Muslims. There has been much condemnation of some discrimination against all Muslims or all Arabs by the US in their search for terrorists in our borders or worldwide. The Hypocrisy The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on 9-11, which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but against the common American, showing discrimination against all Americans for the acts of a few leaders. Then, there is their attacks on Jews worldwide for the actions of a few Jews nearby in Israel. The clear hypocrisy is that they have for many decades (at least) engaged in mass prejudice and acts of discrimination against Americans and Jews for a long time but are upset about it when others act the same towards them. Ken Clifton christiansuperhero.com Quote
Guest Bob LeChevalier Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote: >This is specifically about the terrorists that claim to be Muslims, >not all Muslims. Unfortunately your statements make that a lie. >There has been much condemnation of some discrimination against all >Muslims or all Arabs by the US in their search for terrorists in our >borders or worldwide. > >The Hypocrisy > >The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on >9-11, Some specific terrorists. Or possibly one can say one specific organization of terrorists. >which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but >against the common American, Who those terrorists consider to be at war with them (not that we agree with their opinion) >showing discrimination against all Americans for the acts of a few leaders. We elect those leaders. This can legitimately be used as an argument that we approve of their acts. >Then, there is their attacks >on Jews worldwide for the actions of a few Jews nearby in Israel. Are these the same terrorists? Probably not. You are lumping all terrorists together. But in point of fact, the state of Israel is entirely dependent on world support, especially by Jews, for its continued existence. >The clear hypocrisy is that they Who? The terrorists? >have for many decades (at least) engaged >in mass prejudice and acts of discrimination against Americans and >Jews for a long time Very few of the terrorists have been alive for many decades. >but are upset about it when others act the same towards them. The upset is from those who are NOT terrorists and who do NOT support terrorism either directly or indirectly, who receive prejudice. You are clearly NOT talking about the terrorists in this line, thus making your initial statement a lie. lojbab Quote
Guest Cary Kittrell Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 In article <1181826267.127944.136000@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> writes: > This is specifically about the terrorists that claim to be Muslims, > not all Muslims. > > There has been much condemnation of some discrimination against all > Muslims or all Arabs by the US in their search for terrorists in our > borders or worldwide. > > The Hypocrisy > > The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on > 9-11, which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but > against the common American, showing discrimination against all > Americans for the acts of a few leaders. Then, there is their attacks > on Jews worldwide for the actions of a few Jews nearby in Israel. The > clear hypocrisy is that they have for many decades (at least) engaged > in mass prejudice and acts of discrimination against Americans and > Jews for a long time but are upset about it when others act the same > towards them. "This is specifically about the terrorists that claim to be Muslims, not all Muslims." So, you're telling us that Muslim terrorists have been complaining about discrimination? I was not aware of that. Got some specific examples? -- cary Quote
Deathbringer Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 This is specifically about the terrorists that claim to be Muslims, not all Muslims. There has been much condemnation of some discrimination against all Muslims or all Arabs by the US in their search for terrorists in our borders or worldwide. The Hypocrisy The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on 9-11, which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but against the common American, showing discrimination against all Americans for the acts of a few leaders. Then, there is their attacks on Jews worldwide for the actions of a few Jews nearby in Israel. The clear hypocrisy is that they have for many decades (at least) engaged in mass prejudice and acts of discrimination against Americans and Jews for a long time but are upset about it when others act the same towards them. Ken Clifton christiansuperhero.com WHAT! HOW CAN THIS BE! I'm....I'm actually agreeing with you! Ken, since when did you start talking sense? Quote
Guest Bill Rood Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote: > This is specifically about the terrorists that claim to be Muslims, > not all Muslims. > > There has been much condemnation of some discrimination against all > Muslims or all Arabs by the US in their search for terrorists in our > borders or worldwide. > > The Hypocrisy > > The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on > 9-11, which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but > against the common American, showing discrimination against all > Americans for the acts of a few leaders. Then, there is their attacks > on Jews worldwide for the actions of a few Jews nearby in Israel. The > clear hypocrisy is that they have for many decades (at least) engaged > in mass prejudice and acts of discrimination against Americans and > Jews for a long time but are upset about it when others act the same > towards them. Christian Britain, France and the US, and Zionist Israel have for decades been bombing and killing innocent Muslims in their own countries. You need to get a good mirror. > > Ken Clifton > christiansuperhero.com > Quote
Guest Wide Eyed in Wonder Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Jun 14, 11:16 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote: > Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >This is specifically about the terrorists that claim to be Muslims, > >not all Muslims. > > Unfortunately your statements make that a lie. > > >There has been much condemnation of some discrimination against all > >Muslims or all Arabs by the US in their search for terrorists in our > >borders or worldwide. > > >The Hypocrisy > > >The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on > >9-11, > > Some specific terrorists. Or possibly one can say one specific > organization of terrorists. > > >which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but > >against the common American, > > Who those terrorists consider to be at war with them (not that we > agree with their opinion) > Bingo. They prejudice all Americans due to the acts of a few. Ken Clifton christiansuperhero.com Quote
Guest Bob LeChevalier Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on >> >9-11, >> >> Some specific terrorists. Or possibly one can say one specific >> organization of terrorists. >> >> >which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but >> >against the common American, >> >> Who those terrorists consider to be at war with them (not that we >> agree with their opinion) > >Bingo. They prejudice all Americans due to the acts of a few. "We the people" are collectively responsible for the actions of our elected government. They view that government as supporting Israel which they are at war with. Or do you view a republic as a form of abdication of responsibility? Their prejudice is justified in their eyes. Their actions based on that prejudice are illegal. But we are not at war with Islam, but with particular terrorists who use illegal tactics to fight us. lojbab Quote
Guest Cary Kittrell Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> > > Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on > >> >9-11, > >> > >> Some specific terrorists. Or possibly one can say one specific > >> organization of terrorists. > >> > >> >which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but > >> >against the common American, > >> > >> Who those terrorists consider to be at war with them (not that we > >> agree with their opinion) > > > >Bingo. They prejudice all Americans due to the acts of a few. > > "We the people" are collectively responsible for the actions of our > elected government. They view that government as supporting Israel > which they are at war with. And beyond that, I suspect, they may well view us as the embodiment of a modern, secular, materialist worldview. It must look to them that some kind of Cultural Crusade is taking place -- and it is, even if we're not trying -- and we're seeing a lastguard reaction to it. The sad irony is that the people over here who are having exactly the same reaction -- the culture warriors of the right -- seem to be the same people who have the least understanding of the upheavals going on in the Middle East. I have sympathy for them both -- and I also wish, heartily, that both would just go away. -- cary Quote
Guest Atheist are Stooges Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 "Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message news:f4uu7j$fh5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu... > Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> >> >> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on >> >> >9-11, >> >> >> >> Some specific terrorists. Or possibly one can say one specific >> >> organization of terrorists. >> >> >> >> >which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but >> >> >against the common American, >> >> >> >> Who those terrorists consider to be at war with them (not that we >> >> agree with their opinion) >> > >> >Bingo. They prejudice all Americans due to the acts of a few. >> >> "We the people" are collectively responsible for the actions of our >> elected government. They view that government as supporting Israel >> which they are at war with. > > And beyond that, I suspect, they may well view us as > the embodiment of a modern, secular, materialist > worldview. It must look to them that some kind > of Cultural Crusade is taking place -- and it is, > even if we're not trying -- and we're seeing > a lastguard reaction to it. > > The sad irony is that the people over here who > are having exactly the same reaction -- the > culture warriors of the right -- seem to be > the same people who have the least understanding > of the upheavals going on in the Middle > East. > > I have sympathy for them both -- and I also wish, heartily, > that both would just go away. > > > -- cary Cary the spineless is a sick parody of human tragedy, a pathetic amalgam of the worst person. COM and this forum has to offer, a combination of the social butterfly and the terminally mundane, liberally sprinkled with bitter memories and a large dose of a demolished sense of self-worth. Quote
Guest Wide Eyed in Wonder Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 On Jun 15, 3:24 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote: > Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on > >> >9-11, > > >> Some specific terrorists. Or possibly one can say one specific > >> organization of terrorists. > > >> >which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but > >> >against the common American, > > >> Who those terrorists consider to be at war with them (not that we > >> agree with their opinion) > > >Bingo. They prejudice all Americans due to the acts of a few. > > "We the people" are collectively responsible for the actions of our > elected government. They view that government as supporting Israel > which they are at war with. > > Or do you view a republic as a form of abdication of responsibility? > > Their prejudice is justified in their eyes. Their actions based on > that prejudice are illegal. But we are not at war with Islam, but > with particular terrorists who use illegal tactics to fight us. > > lojbab Bob. I've recently realized that those that are most abusive are the most in need of (and the most desiring) love and forgiveness, even if they refuse to see it. So, I'm going to change my tactic on you. Instead of trying to reason with you (realizing that you are not subject to objective logic, since you make up your own), I am going to just love you and forgive you. It will be hard (I can guess what lies ahead of me), but I will not let you use me to keep yourself from the kingdom of God. I'm praying for you. May you find the love and forgiveness of a Christ that pays for your sins. Ken Clifton Author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide christiansuperhero.com Quote
Deathbringer Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 "Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message news:f4uu7j$fh5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu... > Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> >> >> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >The terrorists struck a civilian building (World Trade Center) on >> >> >9-11, >> >> >> >> Some specific terrorists. Or possibly one can say one specific >> >> organization of terrorists. >> >> >> >> >which was not an attack against soldiers or the government but >> >> >against the common American, >> >> >> >> Who those terrorists consider to be at war with them (not that we >> >> agree with their opinion) >> > >> >Bingo. They prejudice all Americans due to the acts of a few. >> >> "We the people" are collectively responsible for the actions of our >> elected government. They view that government as supporting Israel >> which they are at war with. > > And beyond that, I suspect, they may well view us as > the embodiment of a modern, secular, materialist > worldview. It must look to them that some kind > of Cultural Crusade is taking place -- and it is, > even if we're not trying -- and we're seeing > a lastguard reaction to it. > > The sad irony is that the people over here who > are having exactly the same reaction -- the > culture warriors of the right -- seem to be > the same people who have the least understanding > of the upheavals going on in the Middle > East. > > I have sympathy for them both -- and I also wish, heartily, > that both would just go away. > > > -- cary Cary the spineless is a sick parody of human tragedy, a pathetic amalgam of the worst person. COM and this forum has to offer, a combination of the social butterfly and the terminally mundane, liberally sprinkled with bitter memories and a large dose of a demolished sense of self-worth. What a fine example of the moral superiority of fundies you are, Stooges. Tell you what, you try to set a good example, and then see if people follow you, OK? Quote
Guest Bob LeChevalier Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote: >Bob. I've recently realized that those that are most abusive are the >most in need of (and the most desiring) love and forgiveness, even if >they refuse to see it. I see. You've realized that you've lost another argument, and so have devised a new mantra to repeat in posts so as to have an answer to my posts. The mature thing to do is to shut up and go away, or simply to admit that you've lost (or in this case, that you are simply a loser from the getgo). But you are choosing the 5-year-old's tactic of sticking your fingers in your ears and running around shouting "I can't hear you" at the top of your lungs. just a hint .... Naah, I'll save it for the next manifestation of your mantra that I read. lojbab Quote
Guest Wide Eyed in Wonder Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 5:32 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote: > Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >Bob. I've recently realized that those that are most abusive are the > >most in need of (and the most desiring) love and forgiveness, even if > >they refuse to see it. > > I see. You've realized that you've lost another argument, and so have > devised a new mantra to repeat in posts so as to have an answer to my > posts. > > The mature thing to do is to shut up and go away, or simply to admit > that you've lost (or in this case, that you are simply a loser from > the getgo). > > But you are choosing the 5-year-old's tactic of sticking your fingers > in your ears and running around shouting "I can't hear you" at the top > of your lungs. > > just a hint .... Naah, I'll save it for the next manifestation of your > mantra that I read. > > lojbab Say what you will. I will still love and forgive you. May you find the peace of Christ. Ken Clifton Author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide christiansuperhero.com Quote
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