Guest Invictus Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 Today, many, if not most, Americans seem eager to surrender practically any freedom upon the promise of protection and security. We no longer cherish the idea of liberty. Liberty seems to be no more valuable than a poker chip to be gambled away if the pot is sweetened with the promise that the government will take care of us. For example, political leaders in both parties are allowed to chip away at our Second Amendment freedoms to the point that it is only a matter of time (and maybe a very short time) before the right to keep and bear arms will be forfeited, as has already been done in places such as England, Canada, and Australia (and in many states in the U.S.). This attack on the right to keep and bear arms will certainly intensify if any of the current presidential frontrunners is elected next year. If Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, or Mitt Romney is elected President next year, Americans will have the fight of their life on hand to preserve the little freedom to keep and bear arms that currently exists. (Romney's recent attempt to present himself as pro-gun is mere pretense. Remember that, as Governor of Massachusetts, he supported the Brady gun-control ban. And as recently as 2002, Romney publicly reiterated his support for strict gun control.) Why? Because the elites who control our media, Congress, the White House, and commercial boardrooms are in the process of constructing their New World Order, and a disarmed citizenry is absolutely essential to this end. Make no mistake about it: they want our guns, and they want them badly! http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/070610_fathers.htm Quote
Guest Neolibertarian Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 In article <1181839528.016488.180190@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Invictus <yaxcozv02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > Today, many, if not most, Americans seem eager to surrender > practically any freedom upon the promise of protection and security. > We no longer cherish the idea of liberty. Liberty seems to be no more > valuable than a poker chip to be gambled away if the pot is sweetened > with the promise that the government will take care of us. "Today" could be any day between 1787 and 2007. -- NeoLibertarian "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" ---Ronald Reagan Quote
Guest editor@netpath.net Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 Bullshit. When Washington can't keep any halfwit 14-year-old ghetto kid from having crack - something never legal in America and becoming worthless smoke within minutes of normal use - from having crack within a half-hour of now, it sure won't magically abolish the tens of MILLIONS of guns in tens of MILLIONS of homes coast-to-coast, especially here in Red Nation in a culture where gun ownership is seen as the norm. No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com Quote
Guest Gunner Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:21 -0700, "editor@netpath.net" <editor@netpath.net> wrote: >Bullshit. When Washington can't keep any halfwit 14-year-old ghetto >kid from having crack - something never legal in America and becoming >worthless smoke within minutes of normal use - from having crack >within a half-hour of now, it sure won't magically abolish the tens of >MILLIONS of guns in tens of MILLIONS of homes coast-to-coast, >especially here in Red Nation in a culture where gun ownership is seen >as the norm. Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... Gunner This Message is guaranteed environmentally friendly Manufactured with 10% post consumer ASCII Meets all EPA regulations for clean air Using only naturally occuring fibers Use the Message with confidance. (Some settling may occure in transit.) (Best if Used before May 13, 2009) Quote
Guest Richard J. Edwards Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Once again, if the Elites want my guns they are welcome to come after them. I will do my best to help them, one round at a time. And by the time they kill me there will be less gun grabbers to attack the next gun owner. Eventually they will run out of people willing to try to disarm the populace. Richard J. Edwards IYAAYAS "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:fqp47310e9pl422k4svqa12qrqulsh27ct@4ax.com... > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:21 -0700, "editor@netpath.net" > <editor@netpath.net> wrote: > >>Bullshit. When Washington can't keep any halfwit 14-year-old ghetto >>kid from having crack - something never legal in America and becoming >>worthless smoke within minutes of normal use - from having crack >>within a half-hour of now, it sure won't magically abolish the tens of >>MILLIONS of guns in tens of MILLIONS of homes coast-to-coast, >>especially here in Red Nation in a culture where gun ownership is seen >>as the norm. > > > Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I > own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply > machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) > are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... > > Gunner > > This Message is guaranteed environmentally friendly > Manufactured with 10% post consumer ASCII > Meets all EPA regulations for clean air > Using only naturally occuring fibers > Use the Message with confidance. > (Some settling may occure in transit.) > (Best if Used before May 13, 2009) Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 "Invictus" <yaxcozv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:1181839528.016488.180190@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > If Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, John > McCain, or Mitt Romney is elected President next year, Americans will > have the fight of their life on hand to preserve the little freedom to > keep and bear arms that currently exists. (Romney's recent attempt to > present himself as pro-gun is mere pretense. Remember that, as > Governor of Massachusetts, he supported the Brady gun-control ban. And > as recently as 2002, Romney publicly reiterated his support for strict > gun control.) > Make no mistake about it: they want our guns, > and they want them badly! > http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/070610_fathers.htm Bottomline. There's already a draconian gun ban in the House. If it passed the House and passed the Senate the ONLY important question is which candidate would veto it? Hitlary, Buckwheat, Breck Girl, RINO Rudy would NOT veto it. Romney? 50-50. McCain? He probably would veto it. Thompson? He'd probably veto it. Quote
Deathbringer Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Today, many, if not most, Americans seem eager to surrender practically any freedom upon the promise of protection and security. We no longer cherish the idea of liberty. Liberty seems to be no more valuable than a poker chip to be gambled away if the pot is sweetened with the promise that the government will take care of us. For example, political leaders in both parties are allowed to chip away at our Second Amendment freedoms to the point that it is only a matter of time (and maybe a very short time) before the right to keep and bear arms will be forfeited, as has already been done in places such as England, Canada, and Australia (and in many states in the U.S.). This attack on the right to keep and bear arms will certainly intensify if any of the current presidential frontrunners is elected next year. If Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, or Mitt Romney is elected President next year, Americans will have the fight of their life on hand to preserve the little freedom to keep and bear arms that currently exists. (Romney's recent attempt to present himself as pro-gun is mere pretense. Remember that, as Governor of Massachusetts, he supported the Brady gun-control ban. And as recently as 2002, Romney publicly reiterated his support for strict gun control.) Why? Because the elites who control our media, Congress, the White House, and commercial boardrooms are in the process of constructing their New World Order, and a disarmed citizenry is absolutely essential to this end. Make no mistake about it: they want our guns, and they want them badly! http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/070610_fathers.htm Not really. Manipulating the ignorant masses is so childishly easy that you would pose no threat even if you were armed to the teeth. As long as people have their bread and circus, nothing happens. Ever. Throw in a religious revival led by people who just happen to be very good friends with the current crop of leaders for added stability. Find a perpetual enemy to scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, scare the populace to its wits end, and also use it to justify your own increased powers which you promise you are not using and never will use for anything but good. All of the control, none of the assassination attempts. Call it a despot's paradise. Quote
Guest Benj Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Gunner wrote: > > Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I > own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply > machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) > are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... Nice thought there, Gunner! Only it'll be a little bit more difficult (but not impossible, mind you) to turn out those Stens while you are sitting in the "gun owner" concentration camp! If you think that those in power can't control something when they REALLY want to, you are sadly mistaken. Drugs are a bad example because they really don't want those stopped. How about you just try to buy some leaded gasoline or for that matter lead paint? Quote
Guest James Beck Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <1181931501.706393.196040@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, bjacoby@iwaynet.net says... > > Gunner wrote: > > > > Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I > > own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply > > machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) > > are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... > > Nice thought there, Gunner! Only it'll be a little bit more difficult > (but not impossible, mind you) to turn out those Stens while you are > sitting in the "gun owner" concentration camp! > > If you think that those in power can't control something when they > REALLY want to, you are sadly mistaken. Drugs are a bad example > because they really don't want those stopped. How about you just try > to buy some leaded gasoline or for that matter lead paint? > Bad examples too. Market forces have a lot to do with the demise of those items and you can get lead replacer if you really need that protection for an old engine along with paints that are based on titanium that are much more stable than lead paint ever was. Lead was used because it was cheap, not because it was an optimal solution. If there were really a need for either of those 2 items, there would be a black market for them, just like illicit drugs. Jim Quote
Guest editor@netpath.net Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Jun 15, 2:18 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote: > If you think that those in power can't control something when they > REALLY want to, you are sadly mistaken. Drugs are a bad example > because they really don't want those stopped. How about you just try > to buy some leaded gasoline or for that matter lead paint? You're ignoring the obvious. If I have a can of lead paint, I still have it. It will be the exact same way even if all further sale of guns is banned - even if effectively banned, which is doubtful in a gun marketplace in which private individual sales already are very common. And every gun stays working a LOT longer than lead paint in a can! No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com Quote
Guest Dan Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Gunner wrote: > Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I > own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply > machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) > are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... Yeah, both of them would take quite a while to "fine all the firearms." You know, without the strawman of gun confiscation, these nuts might actually have to THINK about something important. Since we can tell THAT will never happen, all they have is their conspiracy theories and tall tales only they believe. Snicker. Dan Quote
Guest Scout Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 "Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message news:1181931501.706393.196040@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > Gunner wrote: >> >> Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I >> own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply >> machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) >> are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... > > Nice thought there, Gunner! Only it'll be a little bit more difficult > (but not impossible, mind you) to turn out those Stens while you are > sitting in the "gun owner" concentration camp! > > If you think that those in power can't control something when they > REALLY want to, you are sadly mistaken. Drugs are a bad example > because they really don't want those stopped. How about you just try > to buy some leaded gasoline No problem. Drive over to your local airport for some 100LL or if you like you can buy the TEL direct and blend your own. http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/suppliesforsale/chevrolet/unspecified/449772.html >or for that matter lead paint? http://www.autobodysupply.net/store/defaultin.asp?ManufacturerID=137&usg=4FBA410C-D894-47B5-BC6D-583DA6C45A2B So what point were you trying to make here? Quote
Guest ToddP Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 On Jun 15, 2:18 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote: > If you think that those in power can't control something when they > REALLY want to, you are sadly mistaken. Drugs are a bad example > because they really don't want those stopped. How about you just try > to buy some leaded gasoline or for that matter lead paint? And why would the govt really want to control guns any more than anything else they pass endless laws for that they never enforce? They simply create an endless sea of laws. They never actually enforce anything. Quote
Guest Nick Hull Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 In article <1181931501.706393.196040@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote: > How about you just try > to buy some leaded gasoline or for that matter lead paint? You can buy chinese toys painted with lead paint Quote
Guest Morton Davis Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 <editor@netpath.net> wrote in message news:1181947432.828644.322020@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 15, 2:18 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote: > > If you think that those in power can't control something when they > > REALLY want to, you are sadly mistaken. Drugs are a bad example > > because they really don't want those stopped. How about you just try > > to buy some leaded gasoline or for that matter lead paint? > > You're ignoring the obvious. If I have a can of lead paint, I > still have it. It will be the exact same way even if all further sale > of guns is banned - even if effectively banned, which is doubtful in a > gun marketplace in which private individual sales already are very > common. And every gun stays working a LOT longer than lead paint in a > can! > > There are 600 year old guns around which operate as well today as they did on the day they were made. Quote
Guest RadicalModerate Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 Note: soc.men removed from post and followups In misc.survivalism Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:21 -0700, "editor@netpath.net" > <editor@netpath.net> wrote: > Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I > own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply > machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) > are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... Then the Gun Grabbers simply go to the next step - Class A all'round Machinists who are known Second Amendment activists will be rounded up; machine tools and materials useful for producing now-illegal guns will be sharply restricted. What if the BATFE starts interpreting the laws restricting the manufacture of "NFA" weapons in a way to require registration or licensing for any metalworking machinery and equipment capable of producing machine gun parts? -- The published From: address is a trap. Quote
Guest Semper Scout Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 RadicalModerate radicalmoderate@attnn.com said: > In misc.survivalism Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:21 -0700, "editor@netpath.net" > > <editor@netpath.net> wrote: > > > > Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I > > own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply > > machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) > > are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... > > Then the Gun Grabbers simply go to the next step - Class A all'round > Machinists who are known Second Amendment activists will be rounded up; > machine tools and materials useful for producing now-illegal guns > will be sharply restricted. > It's a big conspiracy! The socialist elite want to enslave us! One day, they'll be forcing us to pay our way tax-wise, instead of Bush borrowing what we need by selling US treasury bonds to the communist Chinese and subsidizing the economy! Quote
Guest Robert Sturgeon Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:54:50 +0000 (UTC), radicalmoderate@attnn.com (RadicalModerate) wrote: >Note: soc.men removed from post and followups > >In misc.survivalism Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:21 -0700, "editor@netpath.net" >> <editor@netpath.net> wrote: > > >> Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I >> own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply >> machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) >> are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... > >Then the Gun Grabbers simply go to the next step - Class A all'round >Machinists who are known Second Amendment activists will be rounded up; >machine tools and materials useful for producing now-illegal guns >will be sharply restricted. > >What if the BATFE starts interpreting the laws restricting the manufacture >of "NFA" weapons in a way to require registration or licensing for any >metalworking machinery and equipment capable of producing machine gun >parts? That would be absurd. You can make a machine gun using only the tools in a typical farm shop. BFD. They'd have to try to control every grinder, every welder, every drill, every vise, every hammer, every anvil, every old lathe in existence. Fagedaboutit. -- Robert Sturgeon Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ Quote
Guest RadicalModerate Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 In misc.survivalism Robert Sturgeon <rsturge@inreach.com> wrote: > That would be absurd. You can make a machine gun using only > the tools in a typical farm shop. BFD. They'd have to try > to control every grinder, every welder, every drill, every > vise, every hammer, every anvil, every old lathe in > existence. Fagedaboutit. The main purpose of machine-tool registration would be to keep tabs on PEOPLE capable of making firearms. If there was a solid Democratic/RINO majority in Congress, what would stop BATFE from making and enforcing such regulations? I'm fully aware of the 9th and 10th amendments; however intrepretation of the 14th Amendment combined with the most expansive definition of "interstate commerce" have largely abrogated them. -- The published From: address is a trap. Take my first initial and last name and look at the origin of this post. if you really want to send me email. Or request a private reply in the group. Quote
Guest Benj Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 RadicalModerate wrote: > > Then the Gun Grabbers simply go to the next step - Class A all'round > Machinists who are known Second Amendment activists will be rounded up; > machine tools and materials useful for producing now-illegal guns > will be sharply restricted. > > What if the BATFE starts interpreting the laws restricting the manufacture > of "NFA" weapons in a way to require registration or licensing for any > metalworking machinery and equipment capable of producing machine gun > parts? Now here's a pro-gunner who REALLY understands how serious governments get when they feel threatened. And firearms, even old historical firearms, threaten them. The ground work for all this is already being laid. There is a difference between a gun that just shoots and one that hold up in a firefight. The BATFE already has gone so far as to describe ANY part of the machine gun AS a whole machine gun. In fact they have asserted that a shoestring is machine gun! They make up regs as they go and say that THEY are the sole determiners of what "justice" is. I think you can see a plan for the future here. You can imagine it already. Big "bust" all over TV as pro-gun "terrorist cell" is arrested. With photos of huge "arsenal" spread out on tables for cameras, "clandestine gun and ammo manufacturing factory" uncovered the TV head breathlessly announces. Tracking of all metal working machinery only a "common sense" solution to horrors of terrorists making weapons in their basements. And imagine the surprise of all those hunters and target shooters who find out that their reloading bench is a "clandestine factory" and their shooting club a "terrorist cell". And anyway, right now the homeland security department can call up all your credit and debit card purchases to look for suspicious items (machine tools, welders, etc.) They can track every call and email, Lowes and other are asking for phone numbers even if you pay cash (which is a positive ID for you!), have your complete medical record (thanks to growing socialized medicine) and you can't even scratch your ass without them having a record of it if a street camera is near! I love the way all the gun nuts seem to think they are still living in 1942. They ALREADY have you by the short hairs and you don't even know it! You have NO idea of the tracking technology already in place and being put in place with YOUR money for the sole purpose of tracking YOU! Jujitsu. Eventually the plan is to have one third of the population spying and reporting on the other two thirds. Gun groups are ALREADY infiltrated. The only defense for all this is to simply operate within the law and in the open. Let them look and collect and get nothing! IF you have to go underground, it's too late. If moles suggest illegal activities, run them out of the club on a rail! Even better put them all to work doing things for YOUR side! Remind yourself daily: ALL telephone conversations and computer communications are exactly the same as if you posted them in a national newspaper! Quote
Guest Robert Sturgeon Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:13:42 +0000 (UTC), radicalmoderate@attnn.com (RadicalModerate) wrote: >In misc.survivalism Robert Sturgeon <rsturge@inreach.com> wrote: > >> That would be absurd. You can make a machine gun using only >> the tools in a typical farm shop. BFD. They'd have to try >> to control every grinder, every welder, every drill, every >> vise, every hammer, every anvil, every old lathe in >> existence. Fagedaboutit. > >The main purpose of machine-tool registration would be to keep >tabs on PEOPLE capable of making firearms. > >If there was a solid Democratic/RINO majority in Congress, what would >stop BATFE from making and enforcing such regulations? Two minor facts: they don't know who has that ability; and it's not all that difficult to acquire that ability without government agents finding out that you have done so. They might as well try to keep tabs on people capable of making a knife. >I'm fully aware of the 9th and 10th amendments; however intrepretation of >the 14th Amendment combined with the most expansive definition of >"interstate commerce" have largely abrogated them. New judges can write new opinions. So? -- Robert Sturgeon Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ Quote
Guest Gunner Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:54:50 +0000 (UTC), radicalmoderate@attnn.com (RadicalModerate) wrote: >Note: soc.men removed from post and followups > >In misc.survivalism Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:21 -0700, "editor@netpath.net" >> <editor@netpath.net> wrote: > > >> Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I >> own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply >> machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) >> are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... > >Then the Gun Grabbers simply go to the next step - Class A all'round >Machinists who are known Second Amendment activists will be rounded up; >machine tools and materials useful for producing now-illegal guns >will be sharply restricted. > >What if the BATFE starts interpreting the laws restricting the manufacture >of "NFA" weapons in a way to require registration or licensing for any >metalworking machinery and equipment capable of producing machine gun >parts? They are already trying that in the UK. One suggests that you and the politicians read Unintended Consequences ....and take it to heart. Gunner "Try thinking of the Libertarian Party as a rolled-up newspaper, useful in making the Republican puppy (I've given up on the Democratic bitch) go where he's supposed to -- not on that beautiful antique carpet we call the Constitution." -- L. Neil Smith, Bill Clinton's Reichstag Fire Quote
Guest Scout Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:q2bb73pi76g437ah7ms5uk4v1vm70o11f6@4ax.com... > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:54:50 +0000 (UTC), radicalmoderate@attnn.com > (RadicalModerate) wrote: > >>Note: soc.men removed from post and followups >> >>In misc.survivalism Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:21 -0700, "editor@netpath.net" >>> <editor@netpath.net> wrote: >> >> >>> Indeed. Assuming that the Gun Nazis managed to fine all the firearms I >>> own...which in itself would be a miracle of the first order..Id simply >>> machine out another one. And since things like Stens (submachine gun) >>> are Exceptionally easy to make versus say...a simple revolver.... >> >>Then the Gun Grabbers simply go to the next step - Class A all'round >>Machinists who are known Second Amendment activists will be rounded up; >>machine tools and materials useful for producing now-illegal guns >>will be sharply restricted. >> >>What if the BATFE starts interpreting the laws restricting the manufacture >>of "NFA" weapons in a way to require registration or licensing for any >>metalworking machinery and equipment capable of producing machine gun >>parts? > > They are already trying that in the UK. > > One suggests that you and the politicians read Unintended Consequences > ...and take it to heart. Heck, under the current rules a Volvo is a Class III weapon since a machinist has proven he can convert one to a full automatic in under 8 hours. Seems the ATF is.....selective....in their application of the regulations as they have written them. Quote
Guest John P. Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 What if one happens to be both elite and a gun owner. Is it permissible to grab your own guns and keep them for yourself? Quote
Guest Nick Hull Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 In article <1182055121.518107.313830@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote: > And imagine the surprise of all those hunters and target shooters who > find out that their reloading bench is a "clandestine factory" and > their shooting club a "terrorist cell". If they get the blame they might as well play the game Quote
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