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July 16, 2007

Pace: Another Troop Build Up Possible

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 7:59 a.m. ET

 

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The U.S. military's top general said Monday that the

Joint Chiefs of Staff is weighing a range of possible new directions in

Iraq, including, if President Bush deems it necessary, an even bigger troop

build up.

 

Making no predictions, Marine Gen. Peter Pace revealed that he and the

chiefs of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force are obliged to consider

various troop-level scenarios before September, when Bush will receive an

assessment of the Iraq situation from his top commander there, Gen. David

Petraeus.

 

''We're (doing) the kind of thinking that we need to do and be prepared for

whatever it's going to look like two months from now,'' he said in an

interview with two reporters traveling overnight with him from Washington

aboard an Air Force C-17 cargo jet.

 

''That way, if we need to plus up or come down'' in numbers of troops in

Iraq, then the details will have been studied and the military services will

be in position to carry out whatever policy Bush chooses, Pace said.

 

He mentioned no potential range of increases or decreases in force levels.

Another possibility being considered, he said, is maintaining the current

level of troops for some period beyond September.

 

There are now about 158,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, reflecting a boost of

approximately 30,000 to carry out the new strategy that Bush announced in

January. The strategy is focused on providing better security for Iraqis in

Baghdad, but the intended effect -- a political reconciliation between the

Sunnis and Shiites -- has yet to be achieved, and many in Congress are

clamoring to begin withdrawing troops soon.

 

Some on the Joint Chiefs had argued against the troop boost in January, in

part out of concern that it could not be sustained long enough to have the

desired effect and that it put too much strain on the military.

 

The chiefs for a number of weeks have been studying the timing of a possible

U.S. military transition away from today's combat-oriented mission to one

focused mainly on support functions like training the Iraqi security forces

while also protecting Iraq's borders and continuing the fight against

terrorists.

 

Pace said the chiefs intend to be ready with recommendations on that for

Bush by September.

 

Without opining on any new course of action in Iraq, Pace stressed in the

interview his concern that multiple combat tours for many in the Army and

Marine Corps could tear at the fabric of the military. He said that is one

reason he is visiting the troops now -- to hear their concerns, assess their

morale and to explain to them why he advocated extending Army tours from 12

months to 15 months.

 

He said he also would stop in Germany this week to meet with family members

of military units that are affected by tour extensions. These visits are

intended to give him a sense of how the military as a whole is holding up

under the strain of the Iraq war, now more than four years old, and will be

one important factor in what the Joint Chiefs collectively recommend to Bush

in September, Pace said.

 

On this week's visit Pace planned meetings with Petraeus and other top

commanders in Baghdad as well as with U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker.

 

Over the next several weeks the Joint Chiefs will do their own Iraq

assessment, which at this stage is being developed separately from Petraeus'

assessment in order to ''stay out of `groupthink,''' Pace said.

 

When he returns to Washington in September, Petraeus will brief the Joint

Chiefs on his thinking, and the chiefs will take that into account when they

make their own recommendations to Bush, Pace said.

 

In the interview, Pace was asked whether, as the president's top military

adviser, he feels political pressure amid a heated and prolonged Iraq debate

in Congress and the approach of the 2008 elections.

 

''I don't feel any pressure'' of that sort, he said.

 

Pace unexpectedly was informed in June that he will be replaced as Joint

Chiefs chairman on Oct. 1. In announcing the switch, Defense Secretary

Robert Gates said he decided that although he had wanted to keep Pace for a

second two-year term, it appeared that his Senate confirmation hearing would

turn into a battle over the past four years in Iraq. Bush instead nominated

Adm. Michael Mullen for the job.

 

Pace has said publicly he chose to remain until the end of his current term

on Oct. 1 rather than resign when Gates decided to replace him. In the

interview, he said that although September is shaping up as a hectic month

in Washington, he is determined to make yet another trip to Iraq before

retiring.

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Horatio Fudruckerton wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:14:59 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

>> July 16, 2007

>> Pace: Another Troop Build Up Possible

>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

>> Filed at 7:59 a.m. ET

>>

>> BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The U.S. military's top general said Monday

>> that the Joint Chiefs of Staff is weighing a range of possible new

>> directions in Iraq, including, if President Bush deems it necessary,

>> an even bigger troop build up.

>

>

>

>> Solution: Draft liberals.....send them to Iraq for cannon fodder.

> Maybe the terrorists will tire of killing them after awhile and give

> up. After all......when enough shit is spread around you get sick

> of smelling it after awhile.

>

> It's called killing two birds with one stone.

 

 

You really are getting desperate !

 

bush,jr is gutless. He will never call for a draft.

He hasen't got the balls or leadership.

 

bush,jr is a world class loser. Period

>

>

>

>

>> Making no predictions, Marine Gen. Peter Pace revealed that he and

>> the chiefs of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force are obliged

>> to consider various troop-level scenarios before September, when

>> Bush will receive an assessment of the Iraq situation from his top

>> commander there, Gen. David Petraeus.

>>

>> ''We're (doing) the kind of thinking that we need to do and be

>> prepared for whatever it's going to look like two months from now,''

>> he said in an interview with two reporters traveling overnight with

>> him from Washington aboard an Air Force C-17 cargo jet.

>>

>> ''That way, if we need to plus up or come down'' in numbers of

>> troops in Iraq, then the details will have been studied and the

>> military services will be in position to carry out whatever policy

>> Bush chooses, Pace said.

>>

>> He mentioned no potential range of increases or decreases in force

>> levels. Another possibility being considered, he said, is

>> maintaining the current level of troops for some period beyond

>> September.

>>

>> There are now about 158,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, reflecting a boost

>> of approximately 30,000 to carry out the new strategy that Bush

>> announced in January. The strategy is focused on providing better

>> security for Iraqis in Baghdad, but the intended effect -- a

>> political reconciliation between the Sunnis and Shiites -- has yet

>> to be achieved, and many in Congress are clamoring to begin

>> withdrawing troops soon.

>>

>> Some on the Joint Chiefs had argued against the troop boost in

>> January, in part out of concern that it could not be sustained long

>> enough to have the desired effect and that it put too much strain on

>> the military.

>>

>> The chiefs for a number of weeks have been studying the timing of a

>> possible U.S. military transition away from today's combat-oriented

>> mission to one focused mainly on support functions like training the

>> Iraqi security forces while also protecting Iraq's borders and

>> continuing the fight against terrorists.

>>

>> Pace said the chiefs intend to be ready with recommendations on that

>> for Bush by September.

>>

>> Without opining on any new course of action in Iraq, Pace stressed

>> in the interview his concern that multiple combat tours for many in

>> the Army and Marine Corps could tear at the fabric of the military.

>> He said that is one reason he is visiting the troops now -- to hear

>> their concerns, assess their morale and to explain to them why he

>> advocated extending Army tours from 12 months to 15 months.

>>

>> He said he also would stop in Germany this week to meet with family

>> members of military units that are affected by tour extensions.

>> These visits are intended to give him a sense of how the military as

>> a whole is holding up under the strain of the Iraq war, now more

>> than four years old, and will be one important factor in what the

>> Joint Chiefs collectively recommend to Bush in September, Pace said.

>>

>> On this week's visit Pace planned meetings with Petraeus and other

>> top commanders in Baghdad as well as with U.S. Ambassador Ryan

>> Crocker.

>>

>> Over the next several weeks the Joint Chiefs will do their own Iraq

>> assessment, which at this stage is being developed separately from

>> Petraeus' assessment in order to ''stay out of `groupthink,''' Pace

>> said.

>>

>> When he returns to Washington in September, Petraeus will brief the

>> Joint Chiefs on his thinking, and the chiefs will take that into

>> account when they make their own recommendations to Bush, Pace said.

>>

>> In the interview, Pace was asked whether, as the president's top

>> military adviser, he feels political pressure amid a heated and

>> prolonged Iraq debate in Congress and the approach of the 2008

>> elections.

>>

>> ''I don't feel any pressure'' of that sort, he said.

>>

>> Pace unexpectedly was informed in June that he will be replaced as

>> Joint Chiefs chairman on Oct. 1. In announcing the switch, Defense

>> Secretary Robert Gates said he decided that although he had wanted

>> to keep Pace for a second two-year term, it appeared that his Senate

>> confirmation hearing would turn into a battle over the past four

>> years in Iraq. Bush instead nominated Adm. Michael Mullen for the

>> job.

>>

>> Pace has said publicly he chose to remain until the end of his

>> current term on Oct. 1 rather than resign when Gates decided to

>> replace him. In the interview, he said that although September is

>> shaping up as a hectic month in Washington, he is determined to make

>> yet another trip to Iraq before retiring.

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