Guest Irie Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071100884.html Investigator Urges Clearing of Marine in Killings at Haditha Home By Josh White Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, July 12, 2007; Page A19 An investigating officer in the case against a U.S. Marine accused of murdering civilians in Haditha, Iraq, has recommended that charges against him be dropped, concluding that the government's allegations that the Marine executed a group of men are "unsupported and incredible." The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck by a roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his unit -- Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- allegedly killed a group of young men who were ordered out of a nearby car. The Marines then went house to house, allegedly killing as many as two dozen people, including women and children. Ware's 18-page report, released by Sharratt's attorneys, was submitted Friday to Lt. Gen. James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. Mattis could disregard the recommendation and order an administrative punishment or a court-martial, but it would be unusual for a commanding officer to go against such a strongly worded conclusion, legal experts said. The report on Sharratt's case came on the same day that a separate investigation recommended a court-martial for Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, a Marine battalion commander charged with dereliction of duty in not properly reporting the Haditha killings. In a report obtained by The Washington Post, the investigating officer, Col. Christopher Conlin, wrote that Chessani "failed to thoroughly and accurately report and investigate a combat engagement that clearly needed scrutiny." Conlin added that Chessani "suffered from a fatal misunderstanding that loyalty to his Marines meant vigorously defending their actions to the detriment of determining what those actions actually were." Sharratt, 22, of Canonsburg, Pa., did not take part in the first shootings on Nov. 19, and he has acknowledged killing a group of men in a home later that day, when, he said, he believed they raised weapons at him. Sharratt told investigators that he used a 9mm pistol to shoot them as he and Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich searched the home. "He responded instinctively, assaulting into the room and emptying his pistol," Ware wrote. "Whether this was a brave act of combat against the enemy or tragedy of misperception born out of conducting combat with an enemy that hides among innocents, LCpl Sharratt's actions were in accord with the rules of engagement." The rules of engagement have become central in the Haditha cases, as defense attorneys have argued that the troops used aggressive but approved tactics to assault what they thought were enemy targets. The first shootings have garnered more investigative attention because they came immediately after a Marine was killed in an explosion and because unarmed people were killed. Sharratt's incident in 2005 came hours later, after Marines swarmed the scene to secure the area. Sharratt and others noticed suspicious behavior in the home before entering and shooting, they said. Marines reported finding two AK-47 rifles in the house. Ware's recommendations came after Sharratt's military Article 32 hearing, the equivalent of a civilian grand jury proceeding. Ware, a military judge, weighed evidence from prosecutors and defense attorneys, and read thousands of pages of documents. He also suggested that Sharratt be given immunity to testify in other Haditha-related cases. "This is just a big relief for us," said Sharratt's mother, Theresa. "This is the declaration of Justin's innocence. I'm confident General Mattis will do what is right." By clearing Sharratt in the shootings of Jasib Aiad Ahmed, Kahtan Aiad Ahmed and Jamal Aiad Ahmed, Ware also appeared to clear Wuterich in that attack, concluding that the Marines' account was more credible than the allegations of residents who said the deaths were executions. Ware found that physical evidence showed that the shots that killed the men were fired from a distance, "inconsistent with an execution." Wuterich is also charged in other slayings that day. However, Ware did not examine the previous shootings, reporting that it is only a "compelling theory tying in the events and actions by other Marines as a prelude for the actions" Sharratt took later that day. Civilians interviewed by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service said that the Marines came to the final house and separated women and children before leading the men back inside to kill them. Ware found their accounts questionable and inconsistent. "To believe the government version of facts is to disregard clear and convincing evidence to the contrary and sets a dangerous precedent that . . .. may encourage others to bear false witness against Marines as a tactic to erode public support of the Marine Corps and mission in Iraq," Ware wrote. Gary Myers and James Culp, civilian attorneys for Sharratt, said in a joint statement that they are pleased with the report and that earlier "prejudgment within some elements of the media and by certain members of Congress was particularly offensive to us," a thinly veiled reference to comments by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) last year that the shootings were cold-blooded murders. If his charges are dropped, Sharratt would be the second enlisted Marine to be cleared in the case. Cpl. Sanick Dela Cruz, who admitted shooting the men near the car, had his charges dropped and was granted immunity. Wuterich and Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum are charged with murder and are scheduled for Article 32 hearings. Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Miles Long Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Irie wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071100884.html > > Investigator Urges Clearing of Marine in Killings at Haditha Home > > By Josh White > Washington Post Staff Writer > Thursday, July 12, 2007; Page A19 > > > An investigating officer in the case against a U.S. Marine accused of > murdering civilians in Haditha, Iraq, has recommended that charges against > him be dropped, concluding that the government's allegations that the Marine > executed a group of men are "unsupported and incredible." > > The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance Cpl. Justin > Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck by a roadside bomb in > Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his unit -- Kilo Company, 3rd > Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- allegedly killed a group of young men who > were ordered out of a nearby car. The Marines then went house to house, > allegedly killing as many as two dozen people, including women and children. > > Ware's 18-page report, released by Sharratt's attorneys, was submitted > Friday to Lt. Gen. James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary > Force. Mattis could disregard the recommendation and order an administrative > punishment or a court-martial, but it would be unusual for a commanding > officer to go against such a strongly worded conclusion, legal experts said. > > The report on Sharratt's case came on the same day that a separate > investigation recommended a court-martial for Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, a > Marine battalion commander charged with dereliction of duty in not properly > reporting the Haditha killings. In a report obtained by The Washington Post, > the investigating officer, Col. Christopher Conlin, wrote that Chessani > "failed to thoroughly and accurately report and investigate a combat > engagement that clearly needed scrutiny." Conlin added that Chessani > "suffered from a fatal misunderstanding that loyalty to his Marines meant > vigorously defending their actions to the detriment of determining what > those actions actually were." > > Sharratt, 22, of Canonsburg, Pa., did not take part in the first shootings > on Nov. 19, and he has acknowledged killing a group of men in a home later > that day, when, he said, he believed they raised weapons at him. Sharratt > told investigators that he used a 9mm pistol to shoot them as he and Staff > Sgt. Frank Wuterich searched the home. > > "He responded instinctively, assaulting into the room and emptying his > pistol," Ware wrote. "Whether this was a brave act of combat against the > enemy or tragedy of misperception born out of conducting combat with an > enemy that hides among innocents, LCpl Sharratt's actions were in accord > with the rules of engagement." > > The rules of engagement have become central in the Haditha cases, as defense > attorneys have argued that the troops used aggressive but approved tactics > to assault what they thought were enemy targets. The first shootings have > garnered more investigative attention because they came immediately after a > Marine was killed in an explosion and because unarmed people were killed. > > Sharratt's incident in 2005 came hours later, after Marines swarmed the > scene to secure the area. Sharratt and others noticed suspicious behavior in > the home before entering and shooting, they said. Marines reported finding > two AK-47 rifles in the house. > > Ware's recommendations came after Sharratt's military Article 32 hearing, > the equivalent of a civilian grand jury proceeding. Ware, a military judge, > weighed evidence from prosecutors and defense attorneys, and read thousands > of pages of documents. He also suggested that Sharratt be given immunity to > testify in other Haditha-related cases. > > "This is just a big relief for us," said Sharratt's mother, Theresa. "This > is the declaration of Justin's innocence. I'm confident General Mattis will > do what is right." > > By clearing Sharratt in the shootings of Jasib Aiad Ahmed, Kahtan Aiad Ahmed > and Jamal Aiad Ahmed, Ware also appeared to clear Wuterich in that attack, > concluding that the Marines' account was more credible than the allegations > of residents who said the deaths were executions. Ware found that physical > evidence showed that the shots that killed the men were fired from a > distance, "inconsistent with an execution." > > Wuterich is also charged in other slayings that day. However, Ware did not > examine the previous shootings, reporting that it is only a "compelling > theory tying in the events and actions by other Marines as a prelude for the > actions" Sharratt took later that day. > > Civilians interviewed by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service said that > the Marines came to the final house and separated women and children before > leading the men back inside to kill them. Ware found their accounts > questionable and inconsistent. > > "To believe the government version of facts is to disregard clear and > convincing evidence to the contrary and sets a dangerous precedent that . . > . may encourage others to bear false witness against Marines as a tactic to > erode public support of the Marine Corps and mission in Iraq," Ware wrote. > > Gary Myers and James Culp, civilian attorneys for Sharratt, said in a joint > statement that they are pleased with the report and that earlier > "prejudgment within some elements of the media and by certain members of > Congress was particularly offensive to us," a thinly veiled reference to > comments by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) last year that the shootings were > cold-blooded murders. > > If his charges are dropped, Sharratt would be the second enlisted Marine to > be cleared in the case. Cpl. Sanick Dela Cruz, who admitted shooting the men > near the car, had his charges dropped and was granted immunity. Wuterich and > Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum are charged with murder and are scheduled for > Article 32 hearings. > > > Irie > The heathen back there, pound the wall. > Wow! It's just like when Colin Powell was assigned to cover up the Mai Lai Massacre in Viet Nam.... Miles "There's No Song Like An Old Song" Long Quote
Guest Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 In message news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02, Irie sprach forth the following: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR200707 > 1100884.html > > Investigator Urges Clearing of Marine in Killings at Haditha Home http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mai_lai#Cover-up Ca plus change, ca plus meme. Quote
Guest Bokonon Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... > The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance Cpl. > Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck by a roadside > bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his unit -- Kilo Company, 3rd > Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- allegedly killed a group of young men > who were ordered out of a nearby car. The Marines then went house to > house, allegedly killing as many as two dozen people, including women and > children. What does any of that have to do with Murtha? -- "History! Read it and weep!" -Bokonon _______________________________________________ When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Bokonon wrote: > "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message > news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... > >> The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance Cpl. >> Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck by a >> roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his unit -- >> Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- allegedly killed >> a group of young men who were ordered out of a nearby car. The >> Marines then went house to house, allegedly killing as many as two >> dozen people, including women and children. > > What does any of that have to do with Murtha? Murtha got it right two years ago. Now many are talking about redeployment Quote
Guest Curly Surmudgeon Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:34:58 -0500, Miles Long wrote: > Irie wrote: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071100884.html >> >> Investigator Urges Clearing of Marine in Killings at Haditha Home >> >> By Josh White >> Washington Post Staff Writer >> Thursday, July 12, 2007; Page A19 ---snip--- > Wow! It's just like when Colin Powell was assigned to cover up the Mai > Lai Massacre in Viet Nam.... > > Miles "There's No Song Like An Old Song" Long I have direct knowledge of this incident other than what I've read but harbor little suspicion that the troops didn't clean house after being fired upon. So what? Bush has never been in combat. Few in Congress have been in combat. Few in the House have ever been in combat. None of the Supreme Court judges have been in combat. Extraordinarily few of the Executive Branch have been in combat. They are unfit to judge. War is hell. If you're unwilling to live with the consequences then don't start one but don't blame the grunts. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------ https://thegreen.stanleylieber.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Bokonon" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:139ntb9qmrv72c7@corp.supernews.com... > > "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message > news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... > >> The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance Cpl. >> Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck by a >> roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his unit -- Kilo >> Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- allegedly killed a group >> of young men who were ordered out of a nearby car. The Marines then went >> house to house, allegedly killing as many as two dozen people, including >> women and children. > > What does any of that have to do with Murtha? > > -- > "History! Read it and weep!" > -Bokonon > _______________________________________________ > When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. > Hey Bokonon, Here you go: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/ Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:sMSmi.15323$yD2.6546@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > Bokonon wrote: >> "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message >> news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... >> >>> The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance Cpl. >>> Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck by a >>> roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his unit -- >>> Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- allegedly killed >>> a group of young men who were ordered out of a nearby car. The >>> Marines then went house to house, allegedly killing as many as two >>> dozen people, including women and children. >> >> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? > > > Murtha got it right two years ago. > > Now many are talking about redeployment > Sid, as usual, can't read. Politics over country, every time. Regardless of the facts. Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Curly Surmudgeon" <curly@offshore.com> wrote in message news:pan.2007.07.16.23.36.12.921099@offshore.com... > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:34:58 -0500, Miles Long wrote: > >> Irie wrote: >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071100884.html >>> >>> Investigator Urges Clearing of Marine in Killings at Haditha Home >>> >>> By Josh White >>> Washington Post Staff Writer >>> Thursday, July 12, 2007; Page A19 > > ---snip--- >> Wow! It's just like when Colin Powell was assigned to cover up the Mai >> Lai Massacre in Viet Nam.... >> >> Miles "There's No Song Like An Old Song" Long > > I have direct knowledge of this incident other than what I've read but > harbor little suspicion that the troops didn't clean house after being > fired upon. > > So what? > > Bush has never been in combat. Few in Congress have been in combat. Few > in the House have ever been in combat. None of the Supreme Court judges > have been in combat. Extraordinarily few of the Executive Branch have > been in combat. > > They are unfit to judge. > > War is hell. If you're unwilling to live with the consequences then > don't start one but don't blame the grunts. > > Hi Curly! Been a long time, hope all is well. Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Irie wrote: > "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:sMSmi.15323$yD2.6546@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >> Bokonon wrote: >>> "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message >>> news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... >>> >>>> The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance >>>> Cpl. Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck >>>> by a roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his >>>> unit -- Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- >>>> allegedly killed a group of young men who were ordered out of a >>>> nearby car. The Marines then went house to house, allegedly >>>> killing as many as two dozen people, including women and children. >>> >>> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? >> >> >> Murtha got it right two years ago. >> >> Now many are talking about redeployment >> > > Sid, as usual, can't read. Politics over country, every time. Regardless > of the facts. > > Irie > The heathen back there, pound the wall. Yesterday it was Voinovich. Today John Mellon Scaife's newspaper turned on bush,jr. Nice awakening but six and a half years late. Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:v23ni.114$781.1@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > Irie wrote: >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:sMSmi.15323$yD2.6546@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >>> Bokonon wrote: >>>> "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message >>>> news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... >>>> >>>>> The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance >>>>> Cpl. Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck >>>>> by a roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his >>>>> unit -- Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- >>>>> allegedly killed a group of young men who were ordered out of a >>>>> nearby car. The Marines then went house to house, allegedly >>>>> killing as many as two dozen people, including women and children. >>>> >>>> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? >>> >>> >>> Murtha got it right two years ago. >>> >>> Now many are talking about redeployment >>> >> >> Sid, as usual, can't read. Politics over country, every time. Regardless >> of the facts. >> >> Irie >> The heathen back there, pound the wall. > > > Yesterday it was Voinovich. > Today John Mellon Scaife's newspaper turned on bush,jr. > > Nice awakening but six and a half years late. > > And your point is what? And do you have any proof Murtha was right, or do you just hate the US so much, you don't need proof? Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Irie wrote: > "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:v23ni.114$781.1@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> Irie wrote: >>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:sMSmi.15323$yD2.6546@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >>>> Bokonon wrote: >>>>> "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... >>>>> >>>>>> The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance >>>>>> Cpl. Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck >>>>>> by a roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his >>>>>> unit -- Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- >>>>>> allegedly killed a group of young men who were ordered out of a >>>>>> nearby car. The Marines then went house to house, allegedly >>>>>> killing as many as two dozen people, including women and >>>>>> children. >>>>> >>>>> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? >>>> >>>> >>>> Murtha got it right two years ago. >>>> >>>> Now many are talking about redeployment >>>> >>> >>> Sid, as usual, can't read. Politics over country, every time. >>> Regardless of the facts. >>> >>> Irie >>> The heathen back there, pound the wall. >> >> >> Yesterday it was Voinovich. >> Today John Mellon Scaife's newspaper turned on bush,jr. >> >> Nice awakening but six and a half years late. >> >> > > And your point is what? And do you have any proof Murtha was right, > or do you just hate the US so much, you don't need proof? > > Irie > The heathen back there, pound the wall. Redeployment is the popular catchphrase among defecting Republicans Why haven't ypu awakened to the damage bush,jr has done to America? http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm ". . . Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?" Approve Disapprove Unsure % % % 7/11-12/2907 27 68 5 Only 27% of you remaining lemmings willing to follow bush,jr deeper into his self created disaster for America. Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:fI3ni.129$781.44@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > Irie wrote: >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:v23ni.114$781.1@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >>> Irie wrote: >>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>> news:sMSmi.15323$yD2.6546@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >>>>> Bokonon wrote: >>>>>> "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:UfMmi.3813$Gx5.1621@trndny02... >>>>>> >>>>>>> The findings by Marine Lt. Col. Paul Ware could exonerate Lance >>>>>>> Cpl. Justin Sharratt, who formed part of a convoy that was struck >>>>>>> by a roadside bomb in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005. Members of his >>>>>>> unit -- Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment -- >>>>>>> allegedly killed a group of young men who were ordered out of a >>>>>>> nearby car. The Marines then went house to house, allegedly >>>>>>> killing as many as two dozen people, including women and >>>>>>> children. >>>>>> >>>>>> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Murtha got it right two years ago. >>>>> >>>>> Now many are talking about redeployment >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sid, as usual, can't read. Politics over country, every time. >>>> Regardless of the facts. >>>> >>>> Irie >>>> The heathen back there, pound the wall. >>> >>> >>> Yesterday it was Voinovich. >>> Today John Mellon Scaife's newspaper turned on bush,jr. >>> >>> Nice awakening but six and a half years late. >>> >>> >> >> And your point is what? And do you have any proof Murtha was right, >> or do you just hate the US so much, you don't need proof? >> >> Irie >> The heathen back there, pound the wall. > > > Redeployment is the popular catchphrase > among defecting Republicans > > Why haven't ypu awakened to the > damage bush,jr has done to America? > > > http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm > > ". . . Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the > situation in Iraq?" > > Approve Disapprove Unsure > % % % > 7/11-12/2907 27 68 5 > > > Only 27% of you remaining > lemmings willing to follow > bush,jr deeper into his self > created disaster for America. > So you can't answer the question, I see. Thank you for proving me right. Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest lorad474@cs.com Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 He also doesn't lie to cook up pointless wars, put people in harm's way, nor murder anyone.. That's a plus > The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give > it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 So stop sanctioning evil, already. Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message news:1184681156.520942.311000@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > He also doesn't lie to cook up pointless wars, put people in harm's > way, nor murder anyone.. > > That's a plus > >> The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you >> give >> it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 > > So stop sanctioning evil, already. > What proof do you have that he was right about Haditha? Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Bokonon Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message news:G22ni.9882$yx4.1153@trndny08... >> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? > Here you go: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/ What about it? Murtha didn't mention either man. What the fuck are you talking about? -- "History! Read it and weep!" -Bokonon _______________________________________________ When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Quote
Guest Bokonon Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message news:Ma4ni.9891$yx4.2321@trndny08... > What proof do you have that he was right about Haditha? The very article YOU CITED you fucking nitwit: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071100884.html Damn, you unAmerican right-wing radicals are some stupid motherfuckers. -- "History! Read it and weep!" -Bokonon _______________________________________________ When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Bokonon" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:139q0r7rsnp9f83@corp.supernews.com... > > "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message > news:G22ni.9882$yx4.1153@trndny08... > >>> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? > >> Here you go: >> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/ > > What about it? Murtha didn't mention either man. > > What the fuck are you talking about? Are you really this oblivious? Try reading a newspaper or getting your head out of your ass. If you had any semblance of consciousness over the past year you'd know Murtha accused US soldiers of "cold-blooded murder and war crimes" in Haditha. The man convicted his own soldiers without an ounce of proof. This is acceptable to you? How often Bokonon, do you put your politics above your country? Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Bokonon" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:139q0urih487aa1@corp.supernews.com... > > "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message > news:Ma4ni.9891$yx4.2321@trndny08... > >> What proof do you have that he was right about Haditha? > > The very article YOU CITED you fucking nitwit: > LOL, okay - what part of the article are you drumming this up? > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071100884.html > > Damn, you unAmerican right-wing radicals are some stupid motherfuckers. > > -- The right wing are a bunch of neo-socialist, worse than you because at least a DNC stooge will often admit he or she is a socialist. Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest Perseid Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> Spat the Words > > "Bokonon" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:139q0r7rsnp9f83@corp.supernews.com... >> >> "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message >> news:G22ni.9882$yx4.1153@trndny08... >> >>>> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? >> >>> Here you go: >>> >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/ >> >> What about it? Murtha didn't mention either man. >> >> What the fuck are you talking about? > > > Are you really this oblivious? Try reading a newspaper or getting your head > out of your ass. If you had any semblance of consciousness over the past > year you'd know Murtha accused US soldiers of "cold-blooded murder and war > crimes" in Haditha. The man convicted his own soldiers without an ounce of > proof. 19 Iraqi civilians shot dead in a single room, many at point-blank range with a pistol.. execution style. How much proof were you looking for ? The only reason there was an inquiry on this event was because there was not a single insurgent in the whole mass of 24 dead bodies. > This is acceptable to you? How often Bokonon, do you put your > politics above your country? > > Irie > The heathen back there, pound the wall. > Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 "Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9970B12115D09rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136... > After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Irie" > <Irie@irieepistemology.com> Spat the Words > >> >> "Bokonon" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:139q0r7rsnp9f83@corp.supernews.com... >>> >>> "Irie" <Irie@irieepistemology.com> wrote in message >>> news:G22ni.9882$yx4.1153@trndny08... >>> >>>>> What does any of that have to do with Murtha? >>> >>>> Here you go: >>>> >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/ >>> >>> What about it? Murtha didn't mention either man. >>> >>> What the fuck are you talking about? >> >> >> Are you really this oblivious? Try reading a newspaper or getting your > head >> out of your ass. If you had any semblance of consciousness over the past >> year you'd know Murtha accused US soldiers of "cold-blooded murder and > war >> crimes" in Haditha. The man convicted his own soldiers without an ounce > of >> proof. > > 19 Iraqi civilians shot dead in a single room, many at point-blank > range with a pistol.. execution style. How much proof were you > looking for ? > > The only reason there was an inquiry on this event was because there > was not a single insurgent in the whole mass of 24 dead bodies. > > War isn't a walk in the park, is this a revelation to you or what? Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
Guest lorad474@cs.com Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 On Jul 17, 7:16 am, "Irie" <I...@irieepistemology.com> wrote: > <lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message > > news:1184681156.520942.311000@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > He also doesn't lie to cook up pointless wars, put people in harm's > > way, nor murder anyone.. > > > That's a plus > > >> The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you > >> give > >> it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 > > > So stop sanctioning evil, already. > > What proof do you have that he was right about Haditha? The eyewitness in the incident who turned state's evidence. What do you have? Quote
Guest Curly Surmudgeon Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:53:09 +0000, Irie wrote: > > > "Curly Surmudgeon" <curly@offshore.com> wrote in message > news:pan.2007.07.16.23.36.12.921099@offshore.com... >> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:34:58 -0500, Miles Long wrote: >> >>> Irie wrote: >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071100884.html >>>> >>>> Investigator Urges Clearing of Marine in Killings at Haditha Home >>>> >>>> By Josh White >>>> Washington Post Staff Writer >>>> Thursday, July 12, 2007; Page A19 >> >> ---snip--- >>> Wow! It's just like when Colin Powell was assigned to cover up the Mai >>> Lai Massacre in Viet Nam.... >>> >>> Miles "There's No Song Like An Old Song" Long >> >> I have direct knowledge of this incident other than what I've read but >> harbor little suspicion that the troops didn't clean house after being >> fired upon. >> >> So what? >> >> Bush has never been in combat. Few in Congress have been in combat. Few >> in the House have ever been in combat. None of the Supreme Court judges >> have been in combat. Extraordinarily few of the Executive Branch have >> been in combat. >> >> They are unfit to judge. >> >> War is hell. If you're unwilling to live with the consequences then >> don't start one but don't blame the grunts. >> >> > > > Hi Curly! Been a long time, hope all is well. Well, is some ways much is good. For instance I'm no longer under the thumb of authoritarians in the US. In many others things are terrible. We're saddled with a dictator-wannabee turning America into a Theocracy. I'm sorry but your handle doesn't ring a bell, refresh my memory please. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------ https://thegreen.stanleylieber.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:40:04 -0300, Curly Surmudgeon <curly@offshore.com> wrote: >Well, is some ways much is good. For instance I'm no longer under the >thumb of authoritarians in the US. In many others things are terrible. >We're saddled with a dictator-wannabee turning America into a Theocracy. BZZZZZT! Newsflash! Last November the Republicans got their asses handed to them on a platter! They even lost the Senate. In fact, there was this sick Democrat guy and the right wing freaks were hoping he'd die and give Cheney the tie breaking vote in the Senate but he lived and so they lost it after all. Too bad the Dems in Congress are so short on talent and the GOP talent is all discredited. Swill -- Picture of the day http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html Quote
Guest Irie Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message news:1184813255.232916.187180@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 7:16 am, "Irie" <I...@irieepistemology.com> wrote: >> <lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1184681156.520942.311000@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> >> > He also doesn't lie to cook up pointless wars, put people in harm's >> > way, nor murder anyone.. >> >> > That's a plus >> >> >> The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you >> >> give >> >> it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 >> >> > So stop sanctioning evil, already. >> >> What proof do you have that he was right about Haditha? > > The eyewitness in the incident who turned state's evidence. > What do you have? > > Then why wasn't the person cited in the article charged? The same person who Murtha called a cold blooded killer. Nothing like guilty until proven innocent to stab your own countrymen in the back. Irie The heathen back there, pound the wall. -- The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Stop voting for the lesser of two evils: http://fairvote.org/irv/faq.htm 'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu The great debate is at: http://www.IrieEpistemology.com Quote
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