Guest Landru speaks Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Interesting how the American media is quiet about how Giuliani ordered N.Y. City workers to "not to deny them benefits and trying to make the path to citizenship easier." I guess their waiting until Rudy gets the Republican nomination. Then they will use it to get a democrat elected. http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070716/NEWS09/707160326/1001/OPINION03 Immigration key for GOP candidates By JANE NORMAN July 16, 2007 Washington, D.C. - Iowa may be 91 percent white, but illegal immigration has emerged as a key issue for Republican presidential candidates campaigning in the state. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., has made it his main campaign plank, and other Republicans have zeroed in on Iowans' worries over illegal immigration and border security as they jostle for support in the first-in-the-nation caucus state. "That's the hot issue right now," said Dennis Goldford, a political scientist at Drake University. Iowans are also far more aware of the impact of immigration as a rising Hispanic population has spread far beyond border states, Goldford noted. Iowa has an estimated 114,700 residents of Hispanic origin as of 2006, a 39 percent increase since 2000, according to the census. The Des Moines Register is exploring the candidates' positions on issues most important to Republicans in advance of the Iowa GOP's straw poll on Aug. 11 in Ames. The competition to look tough on immigration comes after a bill overhauling immigration policy stalled in the Senate in late June, despite the backing of President Bush and a bipartisan coalition of senators. Members of the public, enraged that the bill would allow those in the country illegally to eventually become citizens, deluged Congress with phone calls complaining it was "amnesty," and both liberals and conservatives backed away. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was a supporter, arguing that reform is long overdue even if the bill was imperfect. The legislation required that the border be secured before unauthorized immigrants could begin a path toward citizenship, and they would have to pay fines and go through background checks, McCain said. A tough new system of workplace enforcement was included. "Pandering for votes on this issue while offering no solution to the problem amounts to doing nothing. And doing nothing is silent amnesty," McCain said, in a clear shot at other candidates. "It's McCain on one side vs. the whole rest of the party on the other side," Goldford said. Tancredo publicly referred to the bill as the "McCain-Ken-nedy Amnesty Bill," referring to co-sponsor Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. In a June debate in New Hampshire, Massachusetts ex-Gov. Mitt Romney said he objected to the new "Z" visa authorized in the bill that would allow eventual citizenship. "Every illegal alien, almost every one, under this bill, gets to stay here," Romney said. "That's not fair to the millions and millions of people around the world that would love to come here, join with family members, bring skill and education that we need." Romney, however, also has had to deal with revelations that his economic adviser, Greg Mankiw, publicly pressed for passage of the bill. A campaign spokesman told the Associated Press that advisers help the process along but Romney alone decides his policy positions. As mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani advocated for those in the country illegally, at one point ordering city workers not to deny them benefits and trying to make the path to citizenship easier, according to the New York Times. Now Giuliani criticizes the Senate bill as a "mish-mash" and said he is opposed to amnesty, which he defines as blanket forgiveness without fines. "We need to end illegal immigration," Giuliani said in June, proposing tamper-proof identification cards and stronger enforcement at the border. Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas voted in favor of bringing the Senate bill to a final vote, but then a few minutes later voted against it. Brownback said he wants a combination of secure borders, work site enforcement and a guest worker program. "This is not yet the right way," he said. "We should let the topic rest for now while we work diligently to secure our borders." Two more ex-governors in the field, Mike Huckabee of Arkansas and Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin, both have emphasized border security and workplace enforcement. Thompson wants immigrants in the country legally to carry a tamper-proof ID card, and employers to be forced to verify that employees carry the card. Huckabee said his No. 1 priority is a secure border. Then he wants unauthorized immigrants to register with the government and receive guest permits and IDs, and pay a "significant" fine. They would have a choice of deportation or a "rigorous process" to achieve legal status. "They must not be allowed to cut in line ahead of those who have followed the rules," Huckabee said. Tancredo said very strict enforcement should be enacted in the workplace and elsewhere and then foreigners will stop trying to enter the country. He has introduced a bill that would bar children born to unauthorized immigrants in the United States from becoming citizens and prohibit state universities from granting in-state tuition to unauthorized immigrants. Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, another immigration activist, touts his work in pushing the Secure Fence Act, which passed Congress last year and authorizes double-layer fencing, increased surveillance and additional security measures on the Mexican border. Drug smuggling has been curbed by a similar steel fence near San Diego, Hunter said. Goldford said Tancredo and Hunter have "made everybody else look moderate." Rep. Ron Paul of Texas also supports ending "birthright citizenship." He said the Senate bill was a compromise of laws and sovereignty, and he is the only candidate to call for an end to welfare benefits, medical care and public education for those in the country illegally. If former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee gets in the race for the nomination, as expected, it looks as though he won't be siding with McCain and Bush on immigration, either. A South Carolina crowd in late June greeted Thompson with applause when he sharply criticized the Senate proposal. "The American people are saying, 'Fool me twice, shame on me,' " Thompson said, according to the Charlotte Observer. Register staff writers Tom Witosky, Jon Roos, Jason Pulliam and Erin Jordan contributed to this article. Quote
Guest Doug Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Giuliani speaks through his ass. "Landru speaks" <rockaway@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:KgSmi.26576$2v1.11771@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... > Interesting how the American media is quiet about how Giuliani ordered > N.Y. City workers to > "not to deny them benefits and trying to make the path to citizenship > easier." I guess their > waiting until Rudy gets the Republican nomination. Then they will use it > to get a democrat > elected. > > http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070716/NEWS09/707160326/1001/OPINION03 > Immigration key for GOP candidates > By JANE NORMAN > > July 16, 2007 > > Washington, D.C. - Iowa may be 91 percent white, but illegal immigration > has emerged as a key issue for Republican presidential candidates > campaigning in the state. > > Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., has made it his main campaign plank, and other > Republicans have zeroed in on Iowans' worries over illegal immigration and > border security as they jostle for support in the first-in-the-nation > caucus state. > > "That's the hot issue right now," said Dennis Goldford, a political > scientist at Drake University. > > Iowans are also far more aware of the impact of immigration as a rising > Hispanic population has spread far beyond border states, Goldford noted. > > Iowa has an estimated 114,700 residents of Hispanic origin as of 2006, a > 39 percent increase since 2000, according to the census. > > The Des Moines Register is exploring the candidates' positions on issues > most important to Republicans in advance of the Iowa GOP's straw poll on > Aug. 11 in Ames. > > The competition to look tough on immigration comes after a bill > overhauling immigration policy stalled in the Senate in late June, despite > the backing of President Bush and a bipartisan coalition of senators. > > Members of the public, enraged that the bill would allow those in the > country illegally to eventually become citizens, deluged Congress with > phone calls complaining it was "amnesty," and both liberals and > conservatives backed away. > > Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was a supporter, arguing that reform is long > overdue even if the bill was imperfect. > > The legislation required that the border be secured before unauthorized > immigrants could begin a path toward citizenship, and they would have to > pay fines and go through background checks, McCain said. > > A tough new system of workplace enforcement was included. > > "Pandering for votes on this issue while offering no solution to the > problem amounts to doing nothing. And doing nothing is silent amnesty," > McCain said, in a clear shot at other candidates. > > "It's McCain on one side vs. the whole rest of the party on the other > side," Goldford said. > > Tancredo publicly referred to the bill as the "McCain-Ken-nedy Amnesty > Bill," referring to co-sponsor Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. > > In a June debate in New Hampshire, Massachusetts ex-Gov. Mitt Romney said > he objected to the new "Z" visa authorized in the bill that would allow > eventual citizenship. > > "Every illegal alien, almost every one, under this bill, gets to stay > here," Romney said. "That's not fair to the millions and millions of > people around the world that would love to come here, join with family > members, bring skill and education that we need." > > Romney, however, also has had to deal with revelations that his economic > adviser, Greg Mankiw, publicly pressed for passage of the bill. A campaign > spokesman told the Associated Press that advisers help the process along > but Romney alone decides his policy positions. > > As mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani advocated for those in the > country illegally, at one point ordering city workers not to deny them > benefits and trying to make the path to citizenship easier, according to > the New York Times. > > Now Giuliani criticizes the Senate bill as a "mish-mash" and said he is > opposed to amnesty, which he defines as blanket forgiveness without fines. > > "We need to end illegal immigration," Giuliani said in June, proposing > tamper-proof identification cards and stronger enforcement at the border. > > Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas voted in favor of bringing the Senate bill to > a final vote, but then a few minutes later voted against it. > > Brownback said he wants a combination of secure borders, work site > enforcement and a guest worker program. > > "This is not yet the right way," he said. "We should let the topic rest > for now while we work diligently to secure our borders." > > Two more ex-governors in the field, Mike Huckabee of Arkansas and Tommy > Thompson of Wisconsin, both have emphasized border security and workplace > enforcement. Thompson wants immigrants in the country legally to carry a > tamper-proof ID card, and employers to be forced to verify that employees > carry the card. > > Huckabee said his No. 1 priority is a secure border. Then he wants > unauthorized immigrants to register with the government and receive guest > permits and IDs, and pay a "significant" fine. They would have a choice of > deportation or a "rigorous process" to achieve legal status. > > "They must not be allowed to cut in line ahead of those who have followed > the rules," Huckabee said. > > Tancredo said very strict enforcement should be enacted in the workplace > and elsewhere and then foreigners will stop trying to enter the country. > > He has introduced a bill that would bar children born to unauthorized > immigrants in the United States from becoming citizens and prohibit state > universities from granting in-state tuition to unauthorized immigrants. > > Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, another immigration activist, touts his > work in pushing the Secure Fence Act, which passed Congress last year and > authorizes double-layer fencing, increased surveillance and additional > security measures on the Mexican border. > > Drug smuggling has been curbed by a similar steel fence near San Diego, > Hunter said. > > Goldford said Tancredo and Hunter have "made everybody else look > moderate." > > Rep. Ron Paul of Texas also supports ending "birthright citizenship." He > said the Senate bill was a compromise of laws and sovereignty, and he is > the only candidate to call for an end to welfare benefits, medical care > and public education for those in the country illegally. > > If former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee gets in the race for the > nomination, as expected, it looks as though he won't be siding with McCain > and Bush on immigration, either. > > A South Carolina crowd in late June greeted Thompson with applause when he > sharply criticized the Senate proposal. > > "The American people are saying, 'Fool me twice, shame on me,' " Thompson > said, according to the Charlotte Observer. > > Register staff writers Tom Witosky, Jon Roos, Jason Pulliam and Erin > Jordan contributed to this article. > Quote
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