Guest Sid9 Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 July 17, 2007 AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... none of the above. The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight. In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months of polls. A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months. ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable.'' More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past month. A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been married for three decades, was in the single digits. Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited about any of the prospects. ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days,'' he said. On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds. Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very strongly.'' The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa. Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage points for Democrats. Quote
Guest Joe S. Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > July 17, 2007 > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is > ... none of the above. > > The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred > Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as > the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction > underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight. > > In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham > Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, > who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among > black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months > of polls. > > A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is > far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The > uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in > which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from > April through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months. > > ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine,'' > David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. ''The > Republicans don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's > a real split. They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests > and who they also view as viable.'' > > More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past > month. > > A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a > jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > > Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of > headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential > entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with > 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. > > The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has > become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and > former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the > Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a > bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, > remained at 11 percent. > > None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, > a critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past > Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights > and gay rights, had 20 percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and > McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has > been married for three decades, was in the single digits. > > Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a > retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited > about any of the prospects. > > ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. > She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most > serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I > just don't know.'' > > Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said > the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries > aren't for another six months. ''People really don't decide who to vote > for until the last couple months or days,'' he said. > > On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of > those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds. > > Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends > got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she > said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very > strongly.'' > > The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices > is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 > Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity > has slid some to 15 percent. > > Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for > Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > > While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, > both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising > for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa. > > Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black > Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her > advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent > of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose > mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and > virtually no support among blacks. > > The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, > including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error > for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus > 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for > Democrats. For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling > error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or > minus 3 percentage points for Democrats. > > Something wrong with this poll. As we know, all the rightwing dumbasses on this NG are telling us that Fred "Ah'm Jus' Uh Good-Ol' Boy" Thompson is THE MAN who will wipe the floor with anyone the Democrats put up against him. Quote
Guest Tab Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 On Jul 17, 8:01 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > July 17, 2007 > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... > none of the above. > > The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred > Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as > the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction > underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight. > > In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham > Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, who > is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among black > and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months of > polls. > > A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is > far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The uneven > enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in which > Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from April > through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months. > > ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine,'' > David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. ''The Republicans > don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. > They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also > view as viable.'' > > More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past > month. > > A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a > jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > > Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of > headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential > entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with 27 > percent in June and 35 percent in March. > > The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has > become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and > former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the > Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit > lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, > remained at 11 percent. > > None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, a > critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past > Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights > and gay rights, had 20 percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and > McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has > been married for three decades, was in the single digits. > > Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a retired > legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited about any > of the prospects. > > ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. > She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most > serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I > just don't know.'' > > Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said > the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries aren't > for another six months. ''People really don't decide who to vote for until > the last couple months or days,'' he said. > > On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of > those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds. > > Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends got > her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she said, > ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very strongly.'' > > The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices > is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 > Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity > has slid some to 15 percent. > > Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for > Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > > While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, > both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising > for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa. > > Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black > Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her > advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent > of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother > was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no > support among blacks. > > The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, > including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error > for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus 5.5 > percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for Democrats. > For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling error is plus > or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 > percentage points for Democrats. None of the Above=Not Voting! Which is why I think the Democrats are going to not only win the Whitehouse, but as well they are going to Clean Up in the House and Senate Bigtime as in states where a few thousand Repug votes could be the difference they simply ain't going to be there in 2008!!! Quote
Guest lorad474@cs.com Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 On Jul 17, 5:01 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > July 17, 2007 > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... > none of the above. > > The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred > Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as > the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction > underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight. > > In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham > Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, who > is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among black > and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months of > polls. > > A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is > far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The uneven > enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in which > Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from April > through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months. > > ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine,'' > David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. ''The Republicans > don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. > They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also > view as viable.'' > > More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past > month. > > A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a > jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > > Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of > headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential > entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with 27 > percent in June and 35 percent in March. > > The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has > become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and > former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the > Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit > lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, > remained at 11 percent. > > None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, a > critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past > Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights > and gay rights, had 20 percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and > McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has > been married for three decades, was in the single digits. > > Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a retired > legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited about any > of the prospects. > > ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. > She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most > serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I > just don't know.'' > > Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said > the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries aren't > for another six months. ''People really don't decide who to vote for until > the last couple months or days,'' he said. > > On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of > those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds. > > Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends got > her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she said, > ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very strongly.'' > > The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices > is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 > Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity > has slid some to 15 percent. > > Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for > Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > > While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, > both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising > for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa. > > Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black > Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her > advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent > of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother > was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no > support among blacks. > > The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, > including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error > for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus 5.5 > percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for Democrats. > For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling error is plus > or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 > percentage points for Democrats. As usual the most popular, lawful, and intelligent candidate, Ron Paul, has been censored out of this 'news' report as well. Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Joe S." <noname@nosuch.net> wrote in message news:f7ibpr0r9s@news3.newsguy.com... > Something wrong with this poll. As we know, all the rightwing dumbasses > on this NG are telling us that Fred "Ah'm Jus' Uh Good-Ol' Boy" Thompson > is THE MAN who will wipe the floor with anyone the Democrats put up > against him. the more ignorant and stupid you act, look and sound the more those hillbillies love you, and the thompson cocksucking hillbilly certainly takes the grand prize in all 3 categories they would never vote for a NOO Yawk liberal, they learned that from the salsa commercials and McCain bad mouthed the current yokel Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message news:1184680162.154699.233500@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > As usual the most popular, lawful, and intelligent candidate, Ron > Paul, has been censored out of this 'news' report as well. he's a cocksucking republicon criminal, only a hillbilly asshole would not have learned his lesson about voting for republican hillbillies by now Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > July 17, 2007 > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is > ... none of the above. > > > Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a > retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited > about any of the prospects. > > ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. > She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most > serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I > just don't know.'' LMAO, who cares what the stupid bitch is looking for, she's a retarded republican, voted for bush twice should be horse whipped and gagged nobody cares what the loser,failure, republican fuckups think Quote
Guest Jack Granade Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:Rg5ni.38550$YL5.14641@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> July 17, 2007 >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is >> ... none of the above. >> >> >> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a >> retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited >> about any of the prospects. >> >> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she >> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of >> the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a >> conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' > > LMAO, > > who cares what the stupid bitch is looking for, she's a retarded > republican, voted for bush twice > should be horse whipped and gagged > > nobody cares what the loser,failure, republican fuckups think >The usual gutter type answer from a stupid liberal drone. Quote
Guest trippy Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 In article <Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > July 17, 2007 > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... > none of the above. > > The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred > Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as > the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction > underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight. > > In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham > Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, who > is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among black > and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months of > polls. > > A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is > far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The uneven > enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in which > Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from April > through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months. > > ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine,'' > David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. ''The Republicans > don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. > They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also > view as viable.'' > > More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past > month. > > A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a > jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > > Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of > headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential > entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with 27 > percent in June and 35 percent in March. > > The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has > become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and > former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the > Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit > lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, > remained at 11 percent. > > None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, a > critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past > Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights > and gay rights, had 20 percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and > McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has > been married for three decades, was in the single digits. > > Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a retired > legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited about any > of the prospects. > > ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. > She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most > serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I > just don't know.'' > > Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said > the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries aren't > for another six months. ''People really don't decide who to vote for until > the last couple months or days,'' he said. > > On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of > those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds. > > Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends got > her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she said, > ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very strongly.'' > > The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices > is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 > Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity > has slid some to 15 percent. > > Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for > Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > > While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, > both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising > for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa. > > Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black > Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her > advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent > of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother > was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no > support among blacks. > > The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, > including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error > for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus 5.5 > percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for Democrats. > For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling error is plus > or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 > percentage points for Democrats. > > > The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over themselves to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. -- trippy mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30 sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM http://www.myspace.com/starshine_moonbeam NP: "Goldeneye" -- Tina Turner "What did I tell the kid. It's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. It's about how much you can take, and keep moving forward. Get up." -- Sylvester Stallone "Rocky Balboa" Quote
Guest Latrodectus Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 On Jul 17, 6:13 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote: > "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > news:Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > > > > > July 17, 2007 > > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is > > ... none of the above. > > > The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > > Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred > > Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as > > the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction > > underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight. > > > In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham > > Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, > > who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among > > black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months > > of polls. > > > A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is > > far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The > > uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in > > which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from > > April through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months. > > > ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > > Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine,'' > > David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. ''The > > Republicans don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's > > a real split. They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests > > and who they also view as viable.'' > > > More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past > > month. > > > A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a > > jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > > > Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of > > headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential > > entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with > > 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. > > > The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has > > become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and > > former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the > > Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a > > bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, > > remained at 11 percent. > > > None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, > > a critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past > > Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights > > and gay rights, had 20 percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and > > McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has > > been married for three decades, was in the single digits. > > > Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a > > retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited > > about any of the prospects. > > > ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. > > She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most > > serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I > > just don't know.'' > > > Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said > > the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries > > aren't for another six months. ''People really don't decide who to vote > > for until the last couple months or days,'' he said. > > > On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of > > those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds. > > > Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends > > got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she > > said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very > > strongly.'' > > > The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices > > is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 > > Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity > > has slid some to 15 percent. > > > Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > > accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for > > Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > > > While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, > > both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising > > for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa. > > > Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black > > Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her > > advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent > > of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose > > mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and > > virtually no support among blacks. > > > The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, > > including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error > > for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus > > 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for > > Democrats. For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling > > error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or > > minus 3 percentage points for Democrats. > > Something wrong with this poll. As we know, all the rightwing dumbasses on > this NG are telling us that Fred "Ah'm Jus' Uh Good-Ol' Boy" Thompson is THE > MAN who will wipe the floor with anyone the Democrats put up against him. The far right are pretty dim. They still think we are winning in Iraq and that Saddam attacked us on 9/11. Like I said, they are astonishingly stupid creatures, so what did you expect? Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 trippy wrote: > In article <Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > >> July 17, 2007 >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate >> is ... none of the above. >> >> The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of >> Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, >> Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has >> emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such >> dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP >> nomination fight. >> >> In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary >> Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New >> York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, >> who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a >> combined sample of two months of polls. >> >> A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House >> race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the >> Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected >> in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million >> to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the >> year's first three months. >> >> ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The >> Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be >> fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. >> ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the >> conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates >> who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable.'' >> >> More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the >> past month. >> >> A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would >> back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. >> >> Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a >> spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw >> the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 >> percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. >> >> The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, >> who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. >> The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 >> percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly >> broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, >> the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. >> >> None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian >> evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had >> considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a >> thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 >> percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have >> one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been >> married for three decades, was in the single digits. >> >> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a >> retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all >> excited about any of the prospects. >> >> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she >> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each >> of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached >> a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' >> >> Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New >> Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given >> that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really >> don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days,'' >> he said. >> >> On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and >> of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their >> minds. >> >> Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her >> friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John >> Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him >> very, very strongly.'' >> >> The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their >> choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice >> president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not >> running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. >> >> Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers >> accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while >> support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. >> >> While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national >> polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her >> in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in >> Iowa. >> >> Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among >> black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 >> percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the >> support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. >> Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 >> percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. >> >> The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 >> adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of >> sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage >> points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 >> percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July >> samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 >> percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage >> points for Democrats. >> >> >> > > The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over > themselves to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. So you say. BUT...any of them are better than bush,jr....or the Republicans that aspire to the nomination. Even Republicans feel that way: AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above Quote
Guest trippy Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 In article <b3fni.150$kU4.86@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > trippy wrote: > > In article <Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > > > >> July 17, 2007 > >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > >> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > >> > >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate > >> is ... none of the above. > >> > >> The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > >> Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, > >> Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has > >> emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such > >> dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP > >> nomination fight. > >> > >> In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary > >> Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New > >> York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, > >> who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a > >> combined sample of two months of polls. > >> > >> A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House > >> race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the > >> Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected > >> in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million > >> to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the > >> year's first three months. > >> > >> ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > >> Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be > >> fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. > >> ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the > >> conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates > >> who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable.'' > >> > >> More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the > >> past month. > >> > >> A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would > >> back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > >> > >> Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a > >> spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw > >> the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 > >> percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. > >> > >> The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, > >> who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. > >> The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 > >> percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly > >> broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, > >> the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. > >> > >> None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian > >> evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had > >> considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a > >> thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 > >> percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have > >> one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been > >> married for three decades, was in the single digits. > >> > >> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a > >> retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all > >> excited about any of the prospects. > >> > >> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she > >> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each > >> of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached > >> a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' > >> > >> Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New > >> Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given > >> that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really > >> don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days,'' > >> he said. > >> > >> On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and > >> of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their > >> minds. > >> > >> Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her > >> friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John > >> Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him > >> very, very strongly.'' > >> > >> The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their > >> choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice > >> president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not > >> running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. > >> > >> Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > >> accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while > >> support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > >> > >> While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national > >> polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her > >> in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in > >> Iowa. > >> > >> Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among > >> black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 > >> percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the > >> support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. > >> Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 > >> percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. > >> > >> The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 > >> adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of > >> sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage > >> points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 > >> percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July > >> samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 > >> percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage > >> points for Democrats. > >> > >> > >> > > > > The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over > > themselves to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. > > So you say. It's not that way? Republicans and the white house are still pushing their agenda, even with the democratic majority. The dems are stymied at everything they're trying to do. We were told that with the dems in power shit was gonna change. It hasn't changed, it's gone on the way it always has. Iraq got two new troop increases. The federal deficit is still huge, accounting tricks notwithstanding. With the exception of Libby, this administration and the people who back them are pretty much untouchable. If this doesn't change, and soon, we could see a shift back the other way. The GOP can't pick anybody right now, but you better believe they're gonna pick someone and unless it implodes so badly that they can't unite under one banner, which is a real possiblitity at this point, that's exactly what they're gonna do. God help the dems if it's the middle of '07 and they're still fucking around with their head in the clouds while the GOP picks a guy that they can unite behind and doesn't have his head so far up his ass he can smell his spleen. > > BUT...any of them are > better than bush,jr....or > the Republicans that > aspire to the nomination. > > Even Republicans feel > that way: > > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above > > > -- trippy mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30 sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM http://www.myspace.com/starshine_moonbeam NP: "Goldeneye" -- Tina Turner "What did I tell the kid. It's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. It's about how much you can take, and keep moving forward. Get up." -- Sylvester Stallone "Rocky Balboa" Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 trippy wrote: > In article <b3fni.150$kU4.86@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > >> trippy wrote: >>> In article <Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the >>> hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... >>> >>>> July 17, 2007 >>>> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' >>>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >>>> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET >>>> >>>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential >>>> candidate is ... none of the above. >>>> >>>> The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter >>>> of Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy >>>> Giuliani, Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one >>>> candidate has emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian >>>> evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of >>>> the 2008 GOP nomination fight. >>>> >>>> In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary >>>> Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New >>>> York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, >>>> who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a >>>> combined sample of two months of polls. >>>> >>>> A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House >>>> race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the >>>> Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is >>>> reflected in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans >>>> $80 million to $50 million from April through June, continuing a >>>> trend from the year's first three months. >>>> >>>> ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. >>>> The Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would >>>> be fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political >>>> scientist. ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among >>>> the conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see >>>> candidates who reflect their interests and who they also view as >>>> viable.'' >>>> >>>> More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the >>>> past month. >>>> >>>> A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would >>>> back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. >>>> >>>> Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a >>>> spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw >>>> the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 >>>> percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. >>>> >>>> The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, >>>> who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. >>>> The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 >>>> percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly >>>> broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, >>>> the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. >>>> >>>> None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian >>>> evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had >>>> considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a >>>> thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 >>>> percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have >>>> one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been >>>> married for three decades, was in the single digits. >>>> >>>> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, >>>> a retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all >>>> excited about any of the prospects. >>>> >>>> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she >>>> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each >>>> of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she >>>> reached a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' >>>> >>>> Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New >>>> Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given >>>> that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really >>>> don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or >>>> days,'' he said. >>>> >>>> On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, >>>> and of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change >>>> their minds. >>>> >>>> Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her >>>> friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John >>>> Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor >>>> him very, very strongly.'' >>>> >>>> The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their >>>> choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice >>>> president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's >>>> not running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. >>>> >>>> Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her >>>> backers accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, >>>> while support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 >>>> percent. >>>> >>>> While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national >>>> polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her >>>> in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in >>>> Iowa. >>>> >>>> Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among >>>> black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 >>>> percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the >>>> support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico >>>> Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of >>>> just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. >>>> >>>> The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 >>>> adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of >>>> sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage >>>> points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 >>>> percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July >>>> samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 >>>> percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage >>>> points for Democrats. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over >>> themselves to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. >> >> So you say. > > It's not that way? Republicans and the white house are still pushing > their agenda, even with the democratic majority. The dems are stymied > at everything they're trying to do. We were told that with the dems in > power shit was gonna change. It hasn't changed, it's gone on the way > it always has. Iraq got two new troop increases. The federal deficit > is still huge, accounting tricks notwithstanding. With the exception > of Libby, this administration and the people who back them are pretty > much untouchable. > > If this doesn't change, and soon, we could see a shift back the other > way. The GOP can't pick anybody right now, but you better believe > they're gonna pick someone and unless it implodes so badly that they > can't unite under one banner, which is a real possiblitity at this > point, that's exactly what they're gonna do. God help the dems if it's > the middle of '07 and they're still fucking around with their head in > the clouds while the GOP picks a guy that they can unite behind and > doesn't have his head so far up his ass he can smell his spleen. > >> >> BUT...any of them are >> better than bush,jr....or >> the Republicans that >> aspire to the nomination. >> >> Even Republicans feel >> that way: >> >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above Voters need to make it clear to their senators that they will not be returned to Washington if they don't stop the mess in Iraq. Contact your Republican senators here: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Do it tonight. 22 Republicans are up for election in 2008. Quote
Guest trippy Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 In article <MPG.210751e320f1da6b98a3ca@news.alt.net>, trippy took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > In article <b3fni.150$kU4.86@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > > > trippy wrote: > > > In article <Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > > > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > > > > > >> July 17, 2007 > > >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > > >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > >> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > >> > > >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate > > >> is ... none of the above. > > >> > > >> The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > > >> Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, > > >> Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has > > >> emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such > > >> dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP > > >> nomination fight. > > >> > > >> In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary > > >> Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New > > >> York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, > > >> who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a > > >> combined sample of two months of polls. > > >> > > >> A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House > > >> race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the > > >> Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected > > >> in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million > > >> to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the > > >> year's first three months. > > >> > > >> ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > > >> Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be > > >> fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. > > >> ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the > > >> conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates > > >> who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable.'' > > >> > > >> More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the > > >> past month. > > >> > > >> A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would > > >> back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > > >> > > >> Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a > > >> spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw > > >> the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 > > >> percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. > > >> > > >> The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, > > >> who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. > > >> The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 > > >> percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly > > >> broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, > > >> the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. > > >> > > >> None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian > > >> evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had > > >> considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a > > >> thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 > > >> percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have > > >> one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been > > >> married for three decades, was in the single digits. > > >> > > >> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a > > >> retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all > > >> excited about any of the prospects. > > >> > > >> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she > > >> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each > > >> of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached > > >> a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' > > >> > > >> Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New > > >> Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given > > >> that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really > > >> don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days,'' > > >> he said. > > >> > > >> On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and > > >> of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their > > >> minds. > > >> > > >> Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her > > >> friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John > > >> Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him > > >> very, very strongly.'' > > >> > > >> The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their > > >> choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice > > >> president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not > > >> running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. > > >> > > >> Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > > >> accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while > > >> support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > > >> > > >> While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national > > >> polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her > > >> in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in > > >> Iowa. > > >> > > >> Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among > > >> black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 > > >> percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the > > >> support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. > > >> Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 > > >> percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. > > >> > > >> The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 > > >> adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of > > >> sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage > > >> points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 > > >> percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July > > >> samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 > > >> percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage > > >> points for Democrats. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over > > > themselves to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. > > > > So you say. > > It's not that way? Republicans and the white house are still pushing > their agenda, even with the democratic majority. The dems are stymied at > everything they're trying to do. We were told that with the dems in > power shit was gonna change. It hasn't changed, it's gone on the way it > always has. Iraq got two new troop increases. The federal deficit is > still huge, accounting tricks notwithstanding. With the exception of > Libby, this administration and the people who back them are pretty much > untouchable. > > If this doesn't change, and soon, we could see a shift back the other > way. The GOP can't pick anybody right now, but you better believe > they're gonna pick someone and unless it implodes so badly that they > can't unite under one banner, which is a real possiblitity at this > point, that's exactly what they're gonna do. God help the dems if it's > the middle of '07 '08. My bad. > and they're still fucking around with their head in > the clouds while the GOP picks a guy that they can unite behind and > doesn't have his head so far up his ass he can smell his spleen. > > > > > BUT...any of them are > > better than bush,jr....or > > the Republicans that > > aspire to the nomination. > > > > Even Republicans feel > > that way: > > > > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above > > > > > > > > -- trippy mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30 sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM http://www.myspace.com/starshine_moonbeam NP: "Goldeneye" -- Tina Turner "What did I tell the kid. It's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. It's about how much you can take, and keep moving forward. Get up." -- Sylvester Stallone "Rocky Balboa" Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 > The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over themselves > to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. > > -- > trippy nothing to back what up ? I think you're too ignorant to understand politics, you need a tutor or your hand held gomer ? try to keep up : republicons fuck the poor and middle class to help the wealthy democrats fuck the wealthy and corporations to help the poor and middle class all hillbillies are republican nothing could be simpler except your thinking Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 "trippy" <silverbells@tacoshells.com> wrote in message news:MPG.210751e320f1da6b98a3ca@news.alt.net... > In article <b3fni.150$kU4.86@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > > It's not that way? Republicans and the white house are still pushing > their agenda, even with the democratic majority. The dems are stymied at > everything they're trying to do. We were told that with the dems in > power shit was gonna change. It hasn't changed, it's gone on the way it > always has. Iraq got two new troop increases. The federal deficit is > still huge, accounting tricks notwithstanding. With the exception of > Libby, this administration and the people who back them are pretty much > untouchable. you sound like a whining teenager, instant gratification you're looking for ?? it took idiot Americans 6 1/2 years to get us into this mess by voting for the liars that appealed to their stupidity,prejudices, arrogance, greed and the democrats took over 6 months ago, they can not over ride a presidential veto > If this doesn't change, and soon, we could see a shift back the other > way. I'll bet you don't realize how stupid that statement is, essentially ; things are fucked up, the democrats promised to fix them, and if they don't do it quick we're going back to the fuckups, LMAO, and people wonder what kind of morons American voters are, The GOP can't pick anybody right now, they don't pick anybody, but there are several running for the nomination, all fuckups, the type you would be happier with but you better believe > they're gonna pick someone and unless it implodes so badly that they > can't unite under one banner, which is a real possiblitity at this > point, that's exactly what they're gonna do. God help the dems God doesn't take sides, but God help America if we have another hillbilly republican criminal loser,failure, and fuckup elected if it's > the middle of '07 and they're still fucking around with their head in > the clouds maybe you should show us what you can do, other than whine, maybe a year in iraq would get you motivated Quote
Guest trippy Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 In article <6Ggni.222$Dd3.76@bignews7.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > trippy wrote: > > In article <b3fni.150$kU4.86@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > > > >> trippy wrote: > >>> In article <Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > >>> hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > >>> > >>>> July 17, 2007 > >>>> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > >>>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > >>>> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > >>>> > >>>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential > >>>> candidate is ... none of the above. > >>>> > >>>> The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter > >>>> of Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy > >>>> Giuliani, Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one > >>>> candidate has emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian > >>>> evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of > >>>> the 2008 GOP nomination fight. > >>>> > >>>> In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary > >>>> Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New > >>>> York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, > >>>> who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a > >>>> combined sample of two months of polls. > >>>> > >>>> A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House > >>>> race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the > >>>> Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is > >>>> reflected in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans > >>>> $80 million to $50 million from April through June, continuing a > >>>> trend from the year's first three months. > >>>> > >>>> ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. > >>>> The Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would > >>>> be fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political > >>>> scientist. ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among > >>>> the conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see > >>>> candidates who reflect their interests and who they also view as > >>>> viable.'' > >>>> > >>>> More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the > >>>> past month. > >>>> > >>>> A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would > >>>> back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > >>>> > >>>> Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a > >>>> spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw > >>>> the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 > >>>> percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. > >>>> > >>>> The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, > >>>> who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. > >>>> The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 > >>>> percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly > >>>> broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, > >>>> the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. > >>>> > >>>> None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian > >>>> evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had > >>>> considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a > >>>> thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 > >>>> percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have > >>>> one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been > >>>> married for three decades, was in the single digits. > >>>> > >>>> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, > >>>> a retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all > >>>> excited about any of the prospects. > >>>> > >>>> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she > >>>> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each > >>>> of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she > >>>> reached a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' > >>>> > >>>> Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New > >>>> Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given > >>>> that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really > >>>> don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or > >>>> days,'' he said. > >>>> > >>>> On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, > >>>> and of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change > >>>> their minds. > >>>> > >>>> Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her > >>>> friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John > >>>> Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor > >>>> him very, very strongly.'' > >>>> > >>>> The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their > >>>> choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice > >>>> president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's > >>>> not running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. > >>>> > >>>> Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her > >>>> backers accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, > >>>> while support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 > >>>> percent. > >>>> > >>>> While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national > >>>> polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her > >>>> in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in > >>>> Iowa. > >>>> > >>>> Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among > >>>> black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 > >>>> percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the > >>>> support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico > >>>> Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of > >>>> just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. > >>>> > >>>> The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 > >>>> adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of > >>>> sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage > >>>> points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 > >>>> percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July > >>>> samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 > >>>> percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage > >>>> points for Democrats. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over > >>> themselves to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. > >> > >> So you say. > > > > It's not that way? Republicans and the white house are still pushing > > their agenda, even with the democratic majority. The dems are stymied > > at everything they're trying to do. We were told that with the dems in > > power shit was gonna change. It hasn't changed, it's gone on the way > > it always has. Iraq got two new troop increases. The federal deficit > > is still huge, accounting tricks notwithstanding. With the exception > > of Libby, this administration and the people who back them are pretty > > much untouchable. > > > > If this doesn't change, and soon, we could see a shift back the other > > way. The GOP can't pick anybody right now, but you better believe > > they're gonna pick someone and unless it implodes so badly that they > > can't unite under one banner, which is a real possiblitity at this > > point, that's exactly what they're gonna do. God help the dems if it's > > the middle of '07 and they're still fucking around with their head in > > the clouds while the GOP picks a guy that they can unite behind and > > doesn't have his head so far up his ass he can smell his spleen. > > > >> > >> BUT...any of them are > >> better than bush,jr....or > >> the Republicans that > >> aspire to the nomination. > >> > >> Even Republicans feel > >> that way: > >> > >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above > > > Voters need to make it clear to their > senators that they will not be returned > to Washington if they don't stop the mess in Iraq. > > Contact your Republican senators here: > > http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ > > Do it tonight. > > 22 Republicans are up for election in 2008. > And picking up a bunch of those seats would be fantastic for that razor thin majority, dig what I'm saying? But it's not gonna happen unless the voters believe that voting for those dems is gonna get something done. Expanding the majority in both houses of congress is far more important than who's running for president in '08. -- trippy mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30 sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM http://www.myspace.com/starshine_moonbeam NP: "Goldeneye" -- Tina Turner "What did I tell the kid. It's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. It's about how much you can take, and keep moving forward. Get up." -- Sylvester Stallone "Rocky Balboa" Quote
Guest trippy Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 In article <qYhni.39817$Um6.1487@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, Al E. Gator took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > > "trippy" <silverbells@tacoshells.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.210751e320f1da6b98a3ca@news.alt.net... > > In article <b3fni.150$kU4.86@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the > > hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... > > > > It's not that way? Republicans and the white house are still pushing > > their agenda, even with the democratic majority. The dems are stymied at > > everything they're trying to do. We were told that with the dems in > > power shit was gonna change. It hasn't changed, it's gone on the way it > > always has. Iraq got two new troop increases. The federal deficit is > > still huge, accounting tricks notwithstanding. With the exception of > > Libby, this administration and the people who back them are pretty much > > untouchable. > > you sound like a whining teenager, instant gratification you're looking for > ?? Hi! And you are? Oh that's right, nobody. Sit your dumb ass down. Are you saying the deficit is not huge? It is. Iraq got one troop increase and is already gunning for two, which they're gonna get. Instant gratification my ass, if you're serious about stopping the war, do it now. Before MORE lives are lost. Before MORE money is spent. If you're serious about impeachment, stop letting them stonewall you, grab some balls and enforce the subpeonas Bush and Cheney keep blowing off. And do it quick because there's a whole bunch of people that aren't sure how they're gonna vote in the '08 presidential cycle. > > it took idiot Americans 6 1/2 years to get us into this mess by voting > for the liars that appealed to their stupidity,prejudices, arrogance, greed > > and the democrats took over 6 months ago, they can not over ride a > presidential veto > > Then they're not going to stop the war and they're not going to get impeachment. > > > > If this doesn't change, and soon, we could see a shift back the other > > way. > > I'll bet you don't realize how stupid that statement is, > essentially ; things are fucked up, the democrats promised to fix them, and > if they don't > do it quick we're going back to the fuckups, > > LMAO, and people wonder what kind of morons American voters are, > > Why would it be any other way? I don't really give a shit about your America hate. I'd rather be here than any other country in the world. I don't really care how you feel about that. Here's the other thing, I'm not wrong. It's a real thin majority in the senate, which is presided over by a republican vice president. The house has a small majority based on a huge win in the midterm cycle. That means that more people who would otherwise have voted republican voted dem, much to everyone's amazement. Now what if that same bunch of people who swung the election that way decided, hey! This is a raw deal, they're not doing what they said, we may as well have just done what we were gonna do. They're gonna go back to voting for a republican candidate. Hey, if no good GOP candidate emerges, so be it. Then I guess it'll be easy breezy for the dems. But I wouldn't count on it. Regardless, they'll run someone and they have a powerful machine behind them. > > > > The GOP can't pick anybody right now, > > they don't pick anybody, but there are several running for the nomination, > all > fuckups, the type you would be happier with No, I'm leaning towards Obama or Gore. Richardson looks promising too. I'd cream if Feingold would run, but he's not running, preferring to concentrate on the senate. > > > but you better believe > > they're gonna pick someone and unless it implodes so badly that they > > can't unite under one banner, which is a real possiblitity at this > > point, that's exactly what they're gonna do. > > > God help the dems > > God doesn't take sides, but God help America if we have another > hillbilly republican criminal loser,failure, and fuckup elected We? You're not American. Why don't you just sit down be the good spectator. What are you gonna do, fucking invade us? Shya. Have fun with that. > > > > if it's > > the middle of '07 and they're still fucking around with their head in > > the clouds > > maybe you should show us what you can do, other than whine, > > maybe a year in iraq would get you motivated Uh huh. Hey, why don't you eurofags get off your ass and help contribute? Our only friend is Britain. You all took your ball and bat and went the fuck home. Blow me. -- trippy mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30 sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM http://www.myspace.com/starshine_moonbeam NP: "Goldeneye" -- Tina Turner "What did I tell the kid. It's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. It's about how much you can take, and keep moving forward. Get up." -- Sylvester Stallone "Rocky Balboa" Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 "Jack Granade" <jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote in message news:139pr16ipb1tj82@corp.supernews.com... > > "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message > news:Rg5ni.38550$YL5.14641@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >>> July 17, 2007 >>> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' >>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >>> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET >>> >>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is >>> ... none of the above. >>> >>> >>> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a >>> retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all >>> excited about any of the prospects. >>> >>> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she >>> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of >>> the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a >>> conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' >> >> LMAO, >> >> who cares what the stupid bitch is looking for, she's a retarded >> republican, voted for bush twice >> should be horse whipped and gagged >> >> nobody cares what the loser,failure, republican fuckups think >>The usual gutter type answer from a stupid liberal drone. Like I said : nobody cares what the loser,failure, republican fuckups think, so why not keep your thoughts to yourself Quote
Guest Perseid Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> Spat the Words > trippy wrote: >> In article <Cd2ni.97$YR3.88@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Sid9 took the >> hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"... >> >>> July 17, 2007 >>> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' >>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >>> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET >>> >>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate >>> is ... none of the above. >>> >>> The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of >>> Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, >>> Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has >>> emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such >>> dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP >>> nomination fight. >>> >>> In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary >>> Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New >>> York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, >>> who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a >>> combined sample of two months of polls. >>> >>> A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House >>> race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the >>> Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected >>> in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million >>> to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the >>> year's first three months. >>> >>> ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The >>> Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be >>> fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. >>> ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the >>> conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates >>> who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable.'' >>> >>> More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the >>> past month. >>> >>> A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would >>> back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. >>> >>> Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a >>> spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw >>> the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 >>> percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. >>> >>> The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, >>> who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. >>> The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 >>> percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly >>> broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, >>> the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. >>> >>> None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian >>> evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had >>> considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a >>> thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 >>> percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have >>> one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been >>> married for three decades, was in the single digits. >>> >>> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a >>> retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all >>> excited about any of the prospects. >>> >>> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she >>> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each >>> of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached >>> a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' >>> >>> Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New >>> Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given >>> that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really >>> don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days,'' >>> he said. >>> >>> On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and >>> of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their >>> minds. >>> >>> Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her >>> friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John >>> Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him >>> very, very strongly.'' >>> >>> The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their >>> choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice >>> president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not >>> running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. >>> >>> Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers >>> accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while >>> support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. >>> >>> While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national >>> polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her >>> in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in >>> Iowa. >>> >>> Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among >>> black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 >>> percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the >>> support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. >>> Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 >>> percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. >>> >>> The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 >>> adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of >>> sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage >>> points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 >>> percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July >>> samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 >>> percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage >>> points for Democrats. >>> >>> >>> >> >> The dems are in no better position. They're falling all over >> themselves to be the annointed one without anything to back it up. > > So you say. > > BUT...any of them are > better than bush,jr....or > the Republicans that > aspire to the nomination. ... and most respectable idiots know that they're idiots.. except bush doesn't know that he's stupid and in way over his head, so he just goes along blithly screwing things up. the dems don't need a platform to run on.. they've already got their plate full for 3 or 4 terms fixing the shrub's calamitous time in office. > > Even Republicans feel > that way: > > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above > > > Quote
Guest number6 Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 On Jul 17, 8:01 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > July 17, 2007 > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... > none of the above. > Not really ... That is the left wing spin ... the right wing spin is that all the candidates have appeal that choosing among them is too difficult at this time ... and unlike their Democrat counterparts ... who jump to candidates ... and conclusions ... Republicans tend to be more thoughtful ... Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 number6 wrote: > On Jul 17, 8:01 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> July 17, 2007 >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate >> is ... none of the above. >> > > Not really ... That is the left wing spin ... the right wing spin is > that all the candidates have appeal that choosing among them is too > difficult at this time ... and unlike their Democrat counterparts ... > who jump to candidates ... and conclusions ... Republicans tend to be > more thoughtful ... Nice try! The current Republican field is a bunch of losers with no broad support, even among Republicans. Your "feel good" post should bring comfort to the one in four Americans still hanging on to the bush,jr / Republican administration Quote
Guest ffranco@mailandnews.com Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 On Jul 17, 5:01 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > July 17, 2007 > AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... > none of the above. > > The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of > Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred > Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as > the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction > underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight. > > In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham > Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, who > is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among black > and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months of > polls. > > A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is > far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The uneven > enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in which > Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from April > through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months. > > ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The > Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine,'' > David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. ''The Republicans > don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. > They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also > view as viable.'' > > More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past > month. > > A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a > jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. > > Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of > headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential > entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with 27 > percent in June and 35 percent in March. > > The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has > become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and > former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the > Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit > lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, > remained at 11 percent. > > None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, a > critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past > Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights > and gay rights, had 20 percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and > McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has > been married for three decades, was in the single digits. > > Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a retired > legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited about any > of the prospects. > > ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she joked. > She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most > serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached a conclusion: ''I > just don't know.'' > > Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said > the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries aren't > for another six months. ''People really don't decide who to vote for until > the last couple months or days,'' he said. > > On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of > those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds. > > Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends got > her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she said, > ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very strongly.'' > > The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices > is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 > Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity > has slid some to 15 percent. > > Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers > accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for > Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. > > While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, > both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising > for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa. > > Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black > Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her > advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent > of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother > was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no > support among blacks. > > The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, > including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error > for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus 5.5 > percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for Democrats. > For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling error is plus > or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 > percentage points for Democrats. You know what the reason is? It's because President GW Bush can't run for a third term. If we repeal that Constitutional amendment, then our President can run again and Republicans will be assured of victory in 2008. Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 ffranco@mailandnews.com wrote: > On Jul 17, 5:01 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> July 17, 2007 >> AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above' >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >> Filed at 3:12 a.m. ET >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- And the leading Republican presidential candidate >> is ... none of the above. >> >> The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of >> Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, >> Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has >> emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such >> dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP >> nomination fight. >> >> In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary >> Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New >> York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, >> who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a >> combined sample of two months of polls. >> >> A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House >> race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the >> Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected >> in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million >> to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the >> year's first three months. >> >> ''Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The >> Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be >> fine,'' David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. >> ''The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the >> conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates >> who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable.'' >> >> More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the >> past month. >> >> A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would >> back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June. >> >> Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a >> spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw >> the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 >> percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. >> >> The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, >> who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. >> The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 >> percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly >> broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, >> the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent. >> >> None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian >> evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had >> considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a >> thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 >> percent support -- roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have >> one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been >> married for three decades, was in the single digits. >> >> Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a >> retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all >> excited about any of the prospects. >> >> ''I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?'' she >> joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each >> of the most serious contenders. ''Isn't that sad?'' Then she reached >> a conclusion: ''I just don't know.'' >> >> Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New >> Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given >> that the primaries aren't for another six months. ''People really >> don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days,'' >> he said. >> >> On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and >> of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their >> minds. >> >> Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her >> friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John >> Edwards but she said, ''It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him >> very, very strongly.'' >> >> The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their >> choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice >> president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not >> running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent. >> >> Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers >> accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while >> support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent. >> >> While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national >> polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her >> in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in >> Iowa. >> >> Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among >> black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 >> percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the >> support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. >> Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 >> percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks. >> >> The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 >> adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of >> sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage >> points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 >> percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July >> samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 >> percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage >> points for Democrats. > > You know what the reason is? It's because President GW Bush can't run > for a third term. If we repeal that Constitutional amendment, then our > President can run again and Republicans will be assured of victory in > 2008. 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Guest Bret Cahill Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 > Which is why I think the Democrats are going to not only win the > Whitehouse, but as well they are going to Clean Up in the House and > Senate Bigtime as in states where a few thousand Repug votes could be > the difference they simply ain't going to be there in 2008!!! It's worse than that for the GOP. A lot of former Republicans -- the ones I've met are really nice people -- will be actively be voting for moderate Democrats. Bret Cahill Quote
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