Guest Paul J. Berg Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 ~ News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007 Sherwood (Oregon) Police Chief Bill Middleton, an Army reservist who spent more than a year interrogating captured militants in Iraq, Afghanistan and at the military's Guantanamo Bay prison, returned to town this spring to learn that he was reporting to a newly installed public safety director -- a former Oregon State Police superintendent who had served as interim chief while Middleton was gone. Middleton, chief since 1995, previously reported directly to the city manager. He said the change amounted to an unlawful demotion, and in May filed a federal labor complaint against the city. City officials maintained that his title, pay and responsibilities hadn't changed, and reacted to the labor complaint by placing Middleton on paid administrative leave. Middleton and city officials are on contentious ground, a battle space potentially shared by hundreds of Oregon National Guard members and military reservists rotating home from duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like Middleton, some find themselves in a new fight when they return to their civilian jobs. In June, an Albany man who was demoted and eventually fired from his job with Target Corp. after joining the Oregon National Guard in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, won a $1 million judgment. While most employers comply with a federal law that keeps positions open for service personnel -- and some go out of their way to support military employees and their families -- 15 to 20 complaints a year are filed in Oregon under the Uniformed Services Employment and Re-Employment Rights Act. Nationally, the U.S. Department of Labor reported 1,241 new cases in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available. That was down from the 1,465 cases filed in 2004, which the department attributes in part to a continuing education campaign. The law not only requires employers to hold jobs open for military personnel, but also broadly requires employers to extend to them raises, promotions and benefits improvements they would have received had they remained at work. "Two sides to a story" On Wednesday, Middleton said informal mediation has not resolved the situation and he's asked the U.S. Department of Labor to forward his case to federal attorneys for litigation, the next step in the process under the federal law. He's also considering a civil lawsuit. "I just wanted to get back to work, and it seemed like it wasn't happening," Middleton said. "That is his right," City Manager Ross Schultz said of Middleton's action, "and we'll see how that ends up." Middleton's attorney, Mark Turner of Portland, said the chief has a "fabulous" case against the city. "There's objective evidence that this was just wrong," he said. "I can't believe the city people have been as stupid as they've been, for lack of a better term. "The city manager specifically told Bill that the only way to keep him as chief of police is to resign from the Army Reserve," Turner said. "That's about as smoking gun as you can get." The city's creation of the public safety director position was clearly a demotion, Turner said. City officials say they are hamstrung by personnel privacy concerns and can't talk in detail about Middleton's situation. "The city doesn't share that point of view," Assistant City Manager Jim Patterson fumed. "There's always two sides to a story." Well-regarded figure The Middleton case is a raw topic in Sherwood, a southwest suburb of about 15,000 that Money Magazine recently named 18th among the 100 best places to live in the country. The chief is well-regarded in town, to the extent that he was grand marshal of the annual Robin Hood Festival parade on Saturday. "I love him, he's so funny," said Holli Robinson, Sherwood Chamber of Commerce executive director. Middleton and Schultz, the city manager, were friends before the employment flap. Middleton said his goal is to be reinstated as chief with the same authority he had before, and if necessary he's ready to file a lawsuit in addition to his labor claim. But there are secondhand stories rolling through town about personal misbehavior within the Police Department while Middleton was away on active duty most recently. He says the city resented his being gone for such long periods and wanted to stabilize the department by appointing the experienced former state police superintendent -- Ron Ruecker -- to take his place. At one point, City Manager Schultz flew cross country to meet Middleton in Washington, D.C., and asked him to sign a three-page contract agreeing to work as deputy chief with assignment to the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in Portland -- work Middleton enjoys. The offer was withdrawn when Middleton refused to sign the contract. Middleton, 57, has been in the Army Reserve for 28 years. After the 2001 terrorist attacks, he and other reservists with law enforcement backgrounds were assigned to the Defense Department's Criminal Investigation Task Force. It was basic police work: question captured combatants and determine whether they were responsible for attacks on American troops. Most were proud of what they'd done and quite willing to implicate themselves, he said. Middleton was activated in December 2005 and in February 2006 was sent to Iraq for six months. He then spent four months in Afghanistan, followed by six months at the task force base in Virginia. While in Virginia he made two trips to the prison at Guantanamo Bay, where he helped assess whether detainees posed a continuing threat. He was deployed once before, to Germany for a year in 2004. He's retained a heavy hitter in attorney Turner, who represented the Albany guardsman who recently won the $1 million judgment, which Target said it will appeal. Most cases don't devolve into legal action, however. Nationally, investigators and mediators closed about one-third of the 2005 claims within 90 days, recovering $1.7 million in lost wages and benefits for claimants, according to the Labor Department's annual report to Congress. "Lack of knowledge of the current law" is the root cause of most claims, said Bob Elliott, a state coordinator of Employers Support of Guard and Reserves. The group is aligned with the Defense Department and assigns volunteer mediators to intervene when problems arise. "If a business is big enough to have a human resources department, they understand the law," Elliott said. ~ Quote
Guest Scratch Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Paul J. Berg wrote: > ~ > > News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007 > > Sherwood (Oregon) Police Chief Bill Middleton, an Army reservist who > spent more than a year interrogating captured militants in Iraq, > Afghanistan and at the military's Guantanamo Bay prison, returned to > town this spring to learn that he was reporting to a newly installed > public safety director -- a former Oregon State Police superintendent > who had served as interim chief while Middleton was gone. > > Middleton, chief since 1995, previously reported directly to the city > manager. He said the change amounted to an unlawful demotion, and in May > filed a federal labor complaint against the city. City officials > maintained that his title, pay and responsibilities hadn't changed, and > reacted to the labor complaint by placing Middleton on paid > administrative leave. > > Middleton and city officials are on contentious ground, a battle space > potentially shared by hundreds of Oregon National Guard members and > military reservists rotating home from duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like > Middleton, some find themselves in a new fight when they return to their > civilian jobs. > > In June, an Albany man who was demoted and eventually fired from his job > with Target Corp. after joining the Oregon National Guard in the wake of > the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, won a $1 million judgment. > > While most employers comply with a federal law that keeps positions open > for service personnel -- and some go out of their way to support > military employees and their families -- 15 to 20 complaints a year are > filed in Oregon under the Uniformed Services Employment and > Re-Employment Rights Act. > > Nationally, the U.S. Department of Labor reported 1,241 new cases in > 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available. That was > down from the 1,465 cases filed in 2004, which the department attributes > in part to a continuing education campaign. > > The law not only requires employers to hold jobs open for military > personnel, but also broadly requires employers to extend to them raises, > promotions and benefits improvements they would have received had they > remained at work. > > "Two sides to a story" > > On Wednesday, Middleton said informal mediation has not resolved the > situation and he's asked the U.S. Department of Labor to forward his > case to federal attorneys for litigation, the next step in the process > under the federal law. He's also considering a civil lawsuit. > > "I just wanted to get back to work, and it seemed like it wasn't > happening," Middleton said. > > "That is his right," City Manager Ross Schultz said of Middleton's > action, "and we'll see how that ends up." > > Middleton's attorney, Mark Turner of Portland, said the chief has a > "fabulous" case against the city. "There's objective evidence that this > was just wrong," he said. "I can't believe the city people have been as > stupid as they've been, for lack of a better term. > > "The city manager specifically told Bill that the only way to keep him > as chief of police is to resign from the Army Reserve," Turner said. > "That's about as smoking gun as you can get." > > The city's creation of the public safety director position was clearly a > demotion, Turner said. > > City officials say they are hamstrung by personnel privacy concerns and > can't talk in detail about Middleton's situation. "The city doesn't > share that point of view," Assistant City Manager Jim Patterson fumed. > "There's always two sides to a story." > > Well-regarded figure > > The Middleton case is a raw topic in Sherwood, a southwest suburb of > about 15,000 that Money Magazine recently named 18th among the 100 best > places to live in the country. > > The chief is well-regarded in town, to the extent that he was grand > marshal of the annual Robin Hood Festival parade on Saturday. "I love > him, he's so funny," said Holli Robinson, Sherwood Chamber of Commerce > executive director. Middleton and Schultz, the city manager, were > friends before the employment flap. > Middleton said his goal is to be reinstated as chief with the same > authority he had before, and if necessary he's ready to file a lawsuit > in addition to his labor claim. > > But there are secondhand stories rolling through town about personal > misbehavior within the Police Department while Middleton was away on > active duty most recently. He says the city resented his being gone for > such long periods and wanted to stabilize the department by appointing > the experienced former state police superintendent -- Ron Ruecker -- to > take his place. > > At one point, City Manager Schultz flew cross country to meet Middleton > in Washington, D.C., and asked him to sign a three-page contract > agreeing to work as deputy chief with assignment to the FBI's Joint > Terrorism Task Force in Portland -- work Middleton enjoys. The offer was > withdrawn when Middleton refused to sign the contract. > > Middleton, 57, has been in the Army Reserve for 28 years. After the 2001 > terrorist attacks, he and other reservists with law enforcement > backgrounds were assigned to the Defense Department's Criminal > Investigation Task Force. It was basic police work: question captured > combatants and determine whether they were responsible for attacks on > American troops. Most were proud of what they'd done and quite willing > to implicate themselves, he said. > > Middleton was activated in December 2005 and in February 2006 was sent > to Iraq for six months. He then spent four months in Afghanistan, > followed by six months at the task force base in Virginia. While in > Virginia he made two trips to the prison at Guantanamo Bay, where he > helped assess whether detainees posed a continuing threat. He was > deployed once before, to Germany for a year in 2004. > > He's retained a heavy hitter in attorney Turner, who represented the > Albany guardsman who recently won the $1 million judgment, which Target > said it will appeal. > > Most cases don't devolve into legal action, however. > > Nationally, investigators and mediators closed about one-third of the > 2005 claims within 90 days, recovering $1.7 million in lost wages and > benefits for claimants, according to the Labor Department's annual > report to Congress. > > "Lack of knowledge of the current law" is the root cause of most claims, > said Bob Elliott, a state coordinator of Employers Support of Guard and > Reserves. The group is aligned with the Defense Department and assigns > volunteer mediators to intervene when problems arise. > > "If a business is big enough to have a human resources department, they > understand the law," Elliott said. > > ~ > Let's wish him well in his Suit. Quote
Guest It's Just Me Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Now I'm confused. I thought the republicans were squealing with glee over the huge job market we have under Bush....Soooo what's the problem here ? Just go out and find another job maybe at Wendy's or Burger King. "Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message news:8444-46A4A2A8-936@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net... > ~ > > News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007 > > Sherwood (Oregon) Police Chief Bill Middleton, an Army reservist who > spent more than a year interrogating captured militants in Iraq, > Afghanistan and at the military's Guantanamo Bay prison, returned to > town this spring to learn that he was reporting to a newly installed > public safety director -- a former Oregon State Police superintendent > who had served as interim chief while Middleton was gone. > > Middleton, chief since 1995, previously reported directly to the city > manager. He said the change amounted to an unlawful demotion, and in May > filed a federal labor complaint against the city. City officials > maintained that his title, pay and responsibilities hadn't changed, and > reacted to the labor complaint by placing Middleton on paid > administrative leave. > > Middleton and city officials are on contentious ground, a battle space > potentially shared by hundreds of Oregon National Guard members and > military reservists rotating home from duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like > Middleton, some find themselves in a new fight when they return to their > civilian jobs. > > In June, an Albany man who was demoted and eventually fired from his job > with Target Corp. after joining the Oregon National Guard in the wake of > the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, won a $1 million judgment. > > While most employers comply with a federal law that keeps positions open > for service personnel -- and some go out of their way to support > military employees and their families -- 15 to 20 complaints a year are > filed in Oregon under the Uniformed Services Employment and > Re-Employment Rights Act. > > Nationally, the U.S. Department of Labor reported 1,241 new cases in > 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available. That was > down from the 1,465 cases filed in 2004, which the department attributes > in part to a continuing education campaign. > > The law not only requires employers to hold jobs open for military > personnel, but also broadly requires employers to extend to them raises, > promotions and benefits improvements they would have received had they > remained at work. > > "Two sides to a story" > > On Wednesday, Middleton said informal mediation has not resolved the > situation and he's asked the U.S. Department of Labor to forward his > case to federal attorneys for litigation, the next step in the process > under the federal law. He's also considering a civil lawsuit. > > "I just wanted to get back to work, and it seemed like it wasn't > happening," Middleton said. > > "That is his right," City Manager Ross Schultz said of Middleton's > action, "and we'll see how that ends up." > > Middleton's attorney, Mark Turner of Portland, said the chief has a > "fabulous" case against the city. "There's objective evidence that this > was just wrong," he said. "I can't believe the city people have been as > stupid as they've been, for lack of a better term. > > "The city manager specifically told Bill that the only way to keep him > as chief of police is to resign from the Army Reserve," Turner said. > "That's about as smoking gun as you can get." > > The city's creation of the public safety director position was clearly a > demotion, Turner said. > > City officials say they are hamstrung by personnel privacy concerns and > can't talk in detail about Middleton's situation. "The city doesn't > share that point of view," Assistant City Manager Jim Patterson fumed. > "There's always two sides to a story." > > Well-regarded figure > > The Middleton case is a raw topic in Sherwood, a southwest suburb of > about 15,000 that Money Magazine recently named 18th among the 100 best > places to live in the country. > > The chief is well-regarded in town, to the extent that he was grand > marshal of the annual Robin Hood Festival parade on Saturday. "I love > him, he's so funny," said Holli Robinson, Sherwood Chamber of Commerce > executive director. Middleton and Schultz, the city manager, were > friends before the employment flap. > Middleton said his goal is to be reinstated as chief with the same > authority he had before, and if necessary he's ready to file a lawsuit > in addition to his labor claim. > > But there are secondhand stories rolling through town about personal > misbehavior within the Police Department while Middleton was away on > active duty most recently. He says the city resented his being gone for > such long periods and wanted to stabilize the department by appointing > the experienced former state police superintendent -- Ron Ruecker -- to > take his place. > > At one point, City Manager Schultz flew cross country to meet Middleton > in Washington, D.C., and asked him to sign a three-page contract > agreeing to work as deputy chief with assignment to the FBI's Joint > Terrorism Task Force in Portland -- work Middleton enjoys. The offer was > withdrawn when Middleton refused to sign the contract. > > Middleton, 57, has been in the Army Reserve for 28 years. After the 2001 > terrorist attacks, he and other reservists with law enforcement > backgrounds were assigned to the Defense Department's Criminal > Investigation Task Force. It was basic police work: question captured > combatants and determine whether they were responsible for attacks on > American troops. Most were proud of what they'd done and quite willing > to implicate themselves, he said. > > Middleton was activated in December 2005 and in February 2006 was sent > to Iraq for six months. He then spent four months in Afghanistan, > followed by six months at the task force base in Virginia. While in > Virginia he made two trips to the prison at Guantanamo Bay, where he > helped assess whether detainees posed a continuing threat. He was > deployed once before, to Germany for a year in 2004. > > He's retained a heavy hitter in attorney Turner, who represented the > Albany guardsman who recently won the $1 million judgment, which Target > said it will appeal. > > Most cases don't devolve into legal action, however. > > Nationally, investigators and mediators closed about one-third of the > 2005 claims within 90 days, recovering $1.7 million in lost wages and > benefits for claimants, according to the Labor Department's annual > report to Congress. > > "Lack of knowledge of the current law" is the root cause of most claims, > said Bob Elliott, a state coordinator of Employers Support of Guard and > Reserves. The group is aligned with the Defense Department and assigns > volunteer mediators to intervene when problems arise. > > "If a business is big enough to have a human resources department, they > understand the law," Elliott said. > > ~ > Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com... > Paul J. Berg wrote: > > Let's wish him well in his Suit. why ? he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people, also he's an idiot who took part in an illegal and immoral war, violated the geneva convention, and the US Constitution fuck the hillbilly, he should be in prison Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 "It's Just Me" <lord-howard-hurts@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:c33pi.23911$Rw1.12513@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > Now I'm confused. I thought the republicans were squealing with glee over > the huge job market we have under Bush....Soooo what's the problem here ? > Just go out and find another job maybe at Wendy's or Burger King. > "Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message he could torture some hamburgers and imprison the large fry Quote
Guest Scratch Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Al E. Gator wrote: > "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message > news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com... >> Paul J. Berg wrote: >> >> Let's wish him well in his Suit. > > why ? > > he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people, > Cite that you frigging dumb ass! Or by not citing that as a "FACT" prove yourself to be a worthless anti-American piece of crap. Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message news:M5ednRujiKkLVDnbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com... > Al E. Gator wrote: >> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message >> news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com... >>> Paul J. Berg wrote: >>> >>> Let's wish him well in his Suit. >> >> why ? >> >> he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people, >> > > > Cite that you frigging dumb ass! Or by not citing that as a "FACT" prove > yourself to be a worthless anti-American piece of crap. whhhooooaaaaaa, lit up that hillbilly in record time, let's see, that's 179 for me, 0 for you goobers Anti American Moi ?? I'm not participating in an illegal and immoral war, murdering, torturing, and imprisoning innocent people, raping and murdering 14 year old girls and bombing babies go fuck yourself gomer, take that whining serial killing mass murdering criminal in Oregon with you I'm sure the enlightened, liberal population of Oregon doesn't want a deranged baby killing hillbilly in their state hey gomer, let me give you a clue, you low life, retarded, bow legged, cross eyed, non shootin, faggot, hillbilly losers, failures, and fuckups seriously pissed off a lot of people with those misspelled signs and that swiftboat bullshit and we're not going to cut you cocksuckers any slack, so stop the whining you little yellow,gutless, hillbilly bitch Quote
Guest Scratch Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Al E. Gator wrote: > "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message > news:M5ednRujiKkLVDnbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Al E. Gator wrote: >>> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message >>> news:8aCdne13LPSWLjnbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> Paul J. Berg wrote: >>>> >>>> Let's wish him well in his Suit. >>> why ? >>> >>> he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people, >>> >> >> Cite that you frigging dumb ass! Or by not citing that as a "FACT" prove >> yourself to be a worthless anti-American piece of crap. > > whhhooooaaaaaa, > > lit up that hillbilly in record time, > > let's see, that's 179 for me, 0 for you goobers > > > Anti American Moi ?? > > I'm not participating in an illegal and immoral war, murdering, torturing, > and imprisoning > innocent people, > > raping and murdering 14 year old girls and bombing babies > > go fuck yourself gomer, take that whining serial killing mass murdering > criminal in Oregon > with you > > I'm sure the enlightened, liberal population of Oregon doesn't want a > deranged baby killing > hillbilly in their state > > hey gomer, let me give you a clue, > > you low life, retarded, bow legged, cross eyed, non shootin, faggot, > hillbilly losers, failures, > and fuckups seriously pissed off a lot of people with those misspelled signs > and that swiftboat > bullshit > > and we're not going to cut you cocksuckers any slack, so stop the whining > you little yellow,gutless, hillbilly bitch > > > You just made yourself out to be a liar on th NG. But not to worry, your in company with many more from the left. How very ANTI-American of you. Quote
Guest Steven Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Good luck. The jackass city should ask DoD and CinC about those issues, it was their idea. Quote
Guest Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> saying on Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a: >> Let's wish him well in his Suit. > > why ? > > he's tortured,mistreated, maybe murdered innocent people, > > also he's an idiot who took part in an illegal and immoral war, > violated the geneva convention, > and the US Constitution > > fuck the hillbilly, he should be in prison Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his job back. First things first. Then, if you're concerned with what he did in the positions he held in the Iraq/Afghan theater, collect the evidence and try him. But -- and here I part company with the apologists for this conservative Republican President -- don't start and stop with the grunts who are carrying out the orders on the ground. Start with trying the people in the chain of command who issued the orders. -- Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob at crispen dot org Ex Cathedra weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/ Justice works when the arbiter isn't driven by the impulses that drive the crime. Society is able to stand in judgement of a criminal when society doesn Quote
Guest Gordon Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote in news:8444-46A4A2A8-936@storefull- 3238.bay.webtv.net: > ~ > > News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 23, 2007 > So what's the point in reposting articles from the Oregonian. I can read the newspaper. Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message news:cs6dnTX8SeeDSTnbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Al E. Gator wrote: >> "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message >> news:M5ednRujiKkLVDnbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > You just made yourself out to be a liar on th NG. But not to worry, your > in company with many more from the left. How very ANTI-American of you. > you are known by the company you keep, in your case, you've got a murdering, torturing war criminal and goobers like this : "Information is moving -- you know, nightly news is one way, of course, but it's also moving through the blogosphere and through the Internets." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007 "The question is, who ought to make that decision? The Congress or the commanders? And as you know, my position is clear -- I'm a commander guy." --George W. Bush, who apparently is no longer "The Decider," Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007 (Watch video clip) "Wisdom and strength, and my family, is what I'd like for you to pray for." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007 "Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no violence." --George W. Bush, on Iraq, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007 "And so, what Gen. Petraeus is saying, some early signs, still dangerous, but give me -- give my chance a plan to work." --George W. Bush, in an interview with Charlie Rose, April 24, 2007 "There are jobs Americans aren't doing. ... If you've got a chicken factory, a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I'm talking about." --George W. Bush. Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "There are some similarities, of course (between Iraq and Vietnam). Death is terrible." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "I've been in politics long enough to know that polls just go poof at times." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "My job is a job to make decisions. I'm a decision -- if the job description were, what do you do -- it's decision maker." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "Politics comes and goes, but your principles don't. And everybody wants to be loved -- not everybody. ... You never heard anybody say, 'I want to be despised, I'm running for office.'" --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "I said to her, make sure the rug says 'optimistic person comes to work.'" --George W. Bush, on his instructions to First Lady Laura Bush in choosing a rug for the Oval Office, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "One of my concerns is that the health care not be as good as it can possibly be." --George W. Bush, on military benefits, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "Forms of government matter, in my opinion. It matters how -- the nature of the government in which people live." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "My attitude is, if they're still writing about (number) one, 43 doesn't need to worry about it." --George W. Bush, on his legacy, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "A good marriage is really good after serving together in Washington, D.C." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "The best thing about my family is my wife. She is a great first lady. I know that sounds not very objective, but that's how I feel. And she's also patient. Putting up with me requires a lot of patience." --George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007 "Iraq is a very important part of securing the homeland, and it's a very important part of helping change the Middle East into a part of the world that will not serve as a threat to the civilized world, to people like -- or to the developed world, to people like -- in the United States." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007 "Suiciders are willing to kill innocent life in order to send the projection that this is an impossible mission." --George W. Busy, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007 "And my concern, David, is several." --George W. Bush, to NBC's David Gregory, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007 "The solution to Iraq -- an Iraq that can govern itself, sustain itself and defend itself -- is more than a military mission. Precisely the reason why I sent more troops into Baghdad." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007 "That's why we are inconveniencing air traffickers, to make sure nobody is carrying weapons on airplanes." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007 "They're innocent, they were doing nothing, and they were summarily plucked out of water." --George W. Bush, on British sailors who were detained by Iran while on patrol in the Persian Gulf, Camp David, March 31, 2007 "Some call this civil war; others call it emergency -- I call it pure evil." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 28, 2007 "I'm a strong proponent of the restoration of the wetlands, for a lot of reasons. There's a practical reason, though, when it comes to hurricanes: The stronger the wetlands, the more likely the damage of the hurricane." --George W. Bush, New Orleans, March 1, 2007 Got a Bushism? Send it to politicalhumor.guide@about.com Email This Page to a Friend "And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it." --George W. Bush, interview on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007 "I think that the vice president is a person reflecting a half-glass-full mentality." --George W. Bush, interview on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007 "And one thing we want during this war on terror is for people to feel like their life's moving on, that they're able to make a living and send their kids to college and put more money on the table." --George W. Bush, interview on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Jan. 16, 2007 "The best way to defeat the totalitarian of hate is with an ideology of hope -- an ideology of hate -- excuse me --with an ideology of hope." --George W. Bush, Fort Benning, Ga., Jan. 11, 2007 "Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006 (Watch video clip) "It's bad in Iraq. Does that help?" --George W. Bush, after being asked by a reporter whether he's in denial about Iraq, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006 "And truth of the matter is, a lot of reports in Washington are never read by anybody. To show you how important this one is, I read it, and our guest read it." --George W. Bush, on the Baker-Hamilton Report, appearing with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 2006 "This business about graceful exit just simply has no realism to it at all." --George W. Bush, on speculation that U.S. troops could be withdrawn from Iraq, Amman, Jordan, Nov. 30, 2006 "The only way we can win is to leave before the job is done." --George W. Bush, Greeley, Colo., Nov. 4, 2006 (Watch video clip) "Anybody who is in a position to serve this country ought to understand the consequences of words." --George W. Bush, interview with Rush Limbaugh, Nov. 1, 2006 "You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war President. No President wants to be a war President, but I am one." --George W. Bush, Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006 Maria Bartiromo: "I'm curious, have you ever googled anybody? Do you use Google?" President Bush: "Occasionally. One of the things I've used on the Google is to pull up maps. It's very interesting to see -- I've forgot the name of the program -- but you get the satellite, and you can -- like, I kinda like to look at the ranch. It remind me of where I wanna be sometimes." --interview with CNBC's Maria Bartiromo, Oct. 24, 2006 (Watch video clip) "We're never been stay the course, George." --George W. Bush, attempting to distance himself from what has been his core strategy in Iraq for the last three years, interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Oct. 22, 2006 "This morning my administration released the budget numbers for fiscal 2006. These budget numbers are not just estimates; these are the actual results for the fiscal year that ended February the 30th." --George W. Bush, on the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, Washington, D.C., Oct. 11, 2006 (Watch video clip) "One has a stronger hand when there's more people playing your same cards." --George W. Bush, on holding six-party talks with North Korea, Washington, D.C., Oct. 11, 2006 "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." --George W. Bush, talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward "I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is -- my point is, there's a strong will for democracy." --George W. Bush, interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Sept. 24, 2006 (Watch video clip) "You're one of the outstanding leaders in a very important part of the world. I want to thank you for strategizing our discussions." --George W. Bush, meeting with the prime minister of Malaysia, New York, N.Y., Sept. 18, 2006 "The Patriot Act has increased the flow of information within our government and it has helped break up terrorist cells in the United States of America. And the United States Congress was right to renew the terrorist act -- the Patriot Act." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. , Sept. 7, 2006 "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006 "I said I was looking for a book to read, Laura said you ought to try Camus. I also read three Shakespeares. ... I've got a eck-a-lec-tic reading list." --George W. Bush, interview with NBC's Brian Williams, New Orleans, La., Aug. 29, 2006 (Watch video clip) "And I suspect that what you'll see, Toby, is there will be a momentum, momentum will be gathered. Houses will begat jobs, jobs will begat houses." --George W. Bush, talking to reporters along the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast, Gulfport, Miss., Aug. 28, 2006 "I would guess, I would surmise that some of the more spectacular bombings are done by al Qaeda suiciders." --George W. Bush, on violence in Iraq, Washington, D.C., Aug. 21, 2006 "The United States of America is engaged in a war against an extremist group of folks." --George W. Bush, McLean, Va., Aug. 15, 2006 "See, the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this s t, and it's over." --George W. Bush, chomping on a dinner roll while talking about the Middle East crisis with British Prime Minister Tony Blair at the G8 summit, St. Petersburg, Russia, July 17, 2006 (Watch video clip) "One thing is clear, is relations between America and Russia are good, and they're important that they be good." --George W. Bush, Strelna, Russia, July 15, 2006 "I've reminded the prime minister-the American people, Mr. Prime Minister, over the past months that it was not always a given that the United States and America would have a close relationship." George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 29, 2006 "We shouldn't fear a world that is more interacted." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 27, 2006 "I think -- tide turning -- see, as I remember -- I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of -- it's easy to see a tide turn -- did I say those words?" --George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006 President Bush: "Peter. Are you going to ask that question with shades on?" Peter Wallsten of the Los Angeles Times: "I can take them off." Bush: "I'm interested in the shade look, seriously." Wallsten: "All right, I'll keep it, then." Bush: "For the viewers, there's no sun." Wallsten: "I guess it depends on your perspective." Bush: "Touche. --an exchange with legally blind reporter Peter Wallsten, to whom Bush later apologized, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006 (Watch video clip) "I tell people, let's don't fear the future, let's shape it." --George W. Bush, Omaha, Neb., June 7, 2006 "Trying to stop suiciders -- which we're doing a pretty good job of on occasion -- is difficult to do. And what the Iraqis are going to have to eventually do is convince those who are conducting suiciders who are not inspired by Al Qaeda, for example, to realize there's a peaceful tomorrow." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 24, 2006 "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake." --George W. Bush, on his best moment in office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 2006 "If people want to get to know me better, they've got to know my parents and the values my parents instilled in me, and the fact that I was raised in West Texas, in the middle of the desert, a long way away from anywhere, hardly. There's a certain set of values you learn in that experience." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006 "You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006 "The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." --George W. Bush, D.C., May 5, 2006 "That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing about him is that I read three -- three or four books about him last year. Isn't that interesting?" --George W. Bush, while showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006 "Finally, the desk, where we'll have our picture taken in front of -- is nine other Presidents used it. This was given to us by Queen Victoria in the 1870s, I think it was. President Roosevelt put the door in so people would not know he was in a wheelchair. John Kennedy put his head out the door." --George W. Bush, showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006 "That's called, A Charge To Keep, based upon a religious hymn. The hymn talks about serving God. The president's job is never to promote a religion." --George W. Bush, showing German newspaper reporter Kai Diekmann the Oval Office, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006 "I was not pleased that Hamas has refused to announce its desire to destroy Israel." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2006 "I can look you in the eye and tell you I feel I've tried to solve the problem diplomatically to the max, and would have committed troops both in Afghanistan and Iraq knowing what I know today." --George W. Bush, Irvine, Calif., April 24, 2006 "I aim to be a competitive nation." --George W. Bush, San Jose, Calif., April 21, 2006 "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006 (Listen to audio clip; Watch video clip) "I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't believe it -- I'm going to repeat what I said before -- I'd pull the troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops out." --George W. Bush, Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006 "No question that the enemy has tried to spread sectarian violence. They use violence as a tool to do that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 22, 2006 "If the Iranians were to have a nuclear weapon they could proliferate." --George W. Bush, Washington D.C., March 21, 2006 "After the bombing, most Iraqis saw what the perpetuators of this attack were trying to do." --George W. Bush, on the bombing of the Golden Mosque of Samarra in Iraq, March 13, 2006, Washington, D.C. "And so I'm for medical liability at the federal level." --George W. Bush, on medical liability reform, Washington, D.C., March 10, 2006 "I believe that a prosperous, democratic Pakistan will be a steadfast partner for America, a peaceful neighbor for India, and a force for freedom and moderation in the Arab world." --George W. Bush, mistakenly identifying Pakistan as an Arab country, Islamabad, Pakistan, March 3, 2006 "People don't need to worry about security. This deal wouldn't go forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States of America." --George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port security to a company operated by the United Arab Emirates, Washington, D.C., Feb. 23, 2006 "And I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard than a Great British company." --George W. Bush, defending a plan to allow a company controlled by the United Arab Emirates to manage ports in the United States, aboard Air Force One, Feb. 21, 2006 "I think it's really important for this great state of baseball to reach out to people of all walks of life to make sure that the sport is inclusive. The best way to do it is to convince little kids how to--the beauty of playing baseball." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 13, 2006 "I like my buddies from west Texas. I liked them when I was young, I liked them then I was middle-age, I liked them before I was president, and I like them during president, and I like them after president." --George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Feb. 1, 2006 "He was a state sponsor of terror. In other words, the government had declared, you are a state sponsor of terror." --George W. Bush, on Saddam Hussein, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006 "I'll be glad to talk about ranching, but I haven't seen the movie. I've heard about it. I hope you go -- you know -- I hope you go back to the ranch and the farm is what I'm about to say." --George W. Bush, after being asked whether he's seen Brokeback Mountain, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006 "It's a heck of a place to bring your family." --George W. Bush, on New Orleans, New Orleans, La., Jan. 12, 2006 "You took an oath to defend our flag and our freedom, and you kept that oath underseas and under fire." --George W. Bush, addressing war veterans, Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2006 "As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself -- not here at the hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave me a little scratch. As a matter of fact, the Colonel asked if I needed first aid when she first saw me. I was able to avoid any major surgical operations here, but thanks for your compassion, Colonel." --George W. Bush, after visiting with wounded veterans from the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1, 2006 Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@the.rectory> wrote in message news:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130... > The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> saying on > Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a: > > Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his > job back. First things first. > > he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for, another prima donna ? Quote
Guest Steven Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 On Jul 24, 12:16 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: > read more Quote
Guest Steven Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 On Jul 24, 12:18 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: > "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <rev...@the.rectory> wrote in messagenews:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130... > > > The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> saying on > > Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a: > > > Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his > > job back. First things first. > > he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for, > > another prima donna ? Did he get a gender reaassignment too? Quote
Guest Lobby Dosser Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote: > > "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@the.rectory> wrote in message > news:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130... >> The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> saying on >> Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a: >> >> Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his >> job back. First things first. >> >> > > he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for, > > another prima donna ? > > > In a job like yours it doesn't make much difference. As long as you remember to ask "Would you like fries with that?". Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:jxhpi.1085$Ok5.516@trndny02... > "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote: >> In a job like yours it doesn't make much difference. As long as you > remember to ask "Would you like fries with that?". aren't you embarrassed using a juvenile insult like that, which is so lame it needs a wheel chair ?, I realize you hillbillies don't have much, but many times it's better to remain silent and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt, especially for hillbillies Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1185259990.946359.52850@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 24, 12:18 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: >> "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <rev...@the.rectory> wrote in >> messagenews:Xns9976BFC003A51revbob@140.99.99.130... >> >> > The kindly Rev. overheard "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> saying on >> > Mon 23 Jul 2007 10:10:14a: >> >> > Nope. This is a government of laws. The law says he should get his >> > job back. First things first. >> >> he got his job back, he just didn't like who he was working for, >> >> another prima donna ? > > Did he get a gender reaassignment too? > dumb fucking hillbilly aren't you goober, how come you retards don't show the proper humility for your ignorance ?? I guess you don't run across prima donna too often in the grand ole opry times eh goober, actually, it occcurs to me that you should, lot's of hillbilly prima donnas down in Nashville, yall just never knew the meaning of the term right, and you'll pay attention to the Gator from now on, let's see, thats gator 180, Hillbillies 0 2. a temperamental person; a person who takes adulation and privileged treatment as a right and reacts with petulance to criticism or inconvenience pri Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1185259935.788281.130480@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com... On Jul 24, 12:16 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: > read more Quote
Guest Lobby Dosser Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote: > > "Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:jxhpi.1085$Ok5.516@trndny02... >> "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote: >>> In a job like yours it doesn't make much difference. As long as you >> remember to ask "Would you like fries with that?". > > aren't you embarrassed using a juvenile insult like that, which is so > lame it needs a wheel chair ?, > > > I realize you hillbillies don't have much, but many times it's better > to remain silent > > and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt, Then why did you do it? Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Wiipi.1111$Ok5.171@trndny02... > "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote: > >> >> "Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:jxhpi.1085$Ok5.516@trndny02... >>> "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote: >>>> In a job like yours it doesn't make much difference. As long as you >>> remember to ask "Would you like fries with that?". >> >> aren't you embarrassed using a juvenile insult like that, which is so >> lame it needs a wheel chair ?, >> >> >> I realize you hillbillies don't have much, but many times it's better >> to remain silent >> >> and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt, > > Then why did you do it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH that is so ignorantly simple minded, but typical of a "this is the best I can do" hillbilly let's see, hhhhmmmmm, that makes it : Gator 181 Hillbillies 0 damn it's gonna take your great,great,great,great great grandchildren to catch up with me alt.law enforcement ?? are you onna them thar rent a pigs ? Quote
Guest Steven Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 On Jul 24, 1:57 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: > "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1185259935.788281.130480@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 24, 12:16 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: > > > read more Quote
Guest Steven Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 I see! On May 23 you started as David R. Not one of your entries worth a damn. Not Spammy but not worth a response either. Quote
Guest Scratch Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Al E. Gator wrote: > "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1185259935.788281.130480@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 24, 12:16 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: > >> read more Quote
Guest Al E. Gator Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 "Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message news:7JadnQ43g_8unjvbnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com... > Al E. Gator wrote: >> "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1185259935.788281.130480@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 24, 12:16 am, "Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote: >> >>> read more Quote
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