Did Mexico do the right thing legalizing Marijuana and other drugs ?

[phreakwars]

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Owning marijuana, cocaine and even heroin will no longer be a crime in Mexico if the drugs are carried in small amounts for personal use, under legislation passed by the Congress.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/ts_nm/mexico_drugs_dc_1

 

The thing is, I am all for legalizing marijuana... but I'm under the impression here, that Mexico is almost saying "HEY DRUG DEALERS, YOU WIN" because of the killings that have been taking place. They even went so far to say OK to cocaine and heroin.

 

What if the United States did the same thing ?? Makes me wonder how many LESS people would be in jail. I think the steps were taken so they wouldn't have to muck around with a casual user, but MAN ... YOU CAN ONLY HAVE AN 1/8TH ON YA !! That wouldn't last a day in my neck of the woods.

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[snafu]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/ts_nm/mexico_drugs_dc_1

 

The thing is, I am all for legalizing marijuana... but I'm under the impression here, that Mexico is almost saying "HEY DRUG DEALERS, YOU WIN" because of the killings that have been taking place. They even went so far to say OK to cocaine and heroin.

 

What if the United States did the same thing ?? Makes me wonder how many LESS people would be in jail. I think the steps were taken so they wouldn't have to muck around with a casual user, but MAN ... YOU CAN ONLY HAVE AN 1/8TH ON YA !! That wouldn't last a day in my neck of the woods.

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They said only 5 grams of pot and 500 millagrams of heroin and cocaine. That's not much. and were do they get it? From drug dealers that from what the article said there will be stiffer penalty

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

...If you ask me, It looks like mexico pulled their heads out and got their shit together...now the rest of the world should follow suit.

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That was a totally stupid comment.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

that was a stupid comment

 

Why? because I agree with their deciesion to legalize drugs? Oh wait that's right it's a class A felony to have a different opinion than the oh so great hugo

[Lethalfind]

I guess the theory being that being able to do drugs openly will make Mexico and its people less violent and MORE productive...somehow I can't see it...However it might encourage them to stay home rather then flooding across the border since drugs are not legal here.

[TerroristHater]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/ts_nm/mexico_drugs_dc_1

 

The thing is, I am all for legalizing marijuana... but I'm under the impression here, that Mexico is almost saying "HEY DRUG DEALERS, YOU WIN" because of the killings that have been taking place. They even went so far to say OK to cocaine and heroin.

 

What if the United States did the same thing ?? Makes me wonder how many LESS people would be in jail. I think the steps were taken so they wouldn't have to muck around with a casual user, but MAN ... YOU CAN ONLY HAVE AN 1/8TH ON YA !! That wouldn't last a day in my neck of the woods.

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Essentially, Mexico is run by the Mexican Mafia aka THE DRUG DEALERS, so this new law is nothing more then a dealer widing his customer base.

[Lethalfind]

Essentially, Mexico is run by the Mexican Mafia aka THE DRUG DEALERS, so this new law is nothing more then a dealer widing his customer base.

 

I have known some very nice and hardworking people who are from Mexico, but Mexico itself is a shit hole in every sense of the word, I can see why they all want to leave so badly...making drugs more freely available will only make this worse.

[phreakwars]

But then again, there IS something to be said for doing this. Although it might be an exaggerated hypothesis on my part, I think this might even be the ECONOMY BOOST that Mexico needs.

 

Think of this scenario : If you can LEGALLY have 5 grams of weed on you in Mexico, plus other drugs as well, Mexico will become a new AMSTERDAMN !! Increased tourism and such. Like, lets spend the week in MehHeKo and just buy a bag a day...

 

Mexico on $40 a day.

 

You are NOT gonna convince me that this new bill will slow drug trafficking.

 

I think if ANYTHING , by decriminalizing it, it will lower the WARS going on simply because you know damn well the fucking cops in Mexico are fucking corrupted as hell, I know it, MRIH knows it, and anybody else here with straight line Hispanic decent knows it. You know damn well the cops will "LOOK AWAY" at alot of the guys selling the shit if the guys selling it keep thier clients regular and their business clean by means of "NON VIOLENCE" amongst its workers. I.E... All the killings and bodies that pop up which usually belong to the dealers.

 

And another thing is, with just the knowledge of the decriminalizing being known in just the United States alone, you WILL see alot more "VISITORS" into Mexico who are just there to do some "SHOPPING" for the day and plan to go back to America the next...

 

WHO SAYS YOU GOTTA TAKE IT BACK WITH YOU ???

 

Hell, if Mexico ain't too far away, I highly doubt someone like MRIH (who is pretty close) would mind at all driving down the road for a nice weekend get away...

 

Oh and lets not forget about PRICES....

 

You can get weed VERY cheap in Mexico as it is, decriminalizing it, will make it EVEN CHEAPER..

 

Like I said...

 

Mexico, on $40 a day... hell of a vacation.....

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[Lethalfind]

But then again, there IS something to be said for doing this. Although it might be an exaggerated hypothesis on my part, I think this might even be the ECONOMY BOOST that Mexico needs.

 

Think of this scenario : If you can LEGALLY have 5 grams of weed on you in Mexico, plus other drugs as well, Mexico will become a new AMSTERDAMN !! Increased tourism and such. Like, lets spend the week in MehHeKo and just buy a bag a day...

 

Mexico on $40 a day.

 

You are NOT gonna convince me that this new bill will slow drug trafficking.

 

I think if ANYTHING , by decriminalizing it, it will lower the WARS going on simply because you know damn well the fucking cops in Mexico are fucking corrupted as hell, I know it, MRIH knows it, and anybody else here with straight line Hispanic decent knows it. You know damn well the cops will "LOOK AWAY" at alot of the guys selling the shit if the guys selling it keep thier clients regular and their business clean by means of "NON VIOLENCE" amongst its workers. I.E... All the killings and bodies that pop up which usually belong to the dealers.

 

And another thing is, with just the knowledge of the decriminalizing being known in just the United States alone, you WILL see alot more "VISITORS" into Mexico who are just there to do some "SHOPPING" for the day and plan to go back to America the next...

 

WHO SAYS YOU GOTTA TAKE IT BACK WITH YOU ???

 

Hell, if Mexico ain't too far away, I highly doubt someone like MRIH (who is pretty close) would mind at all driving down the road for a nice weekend get away...

 

Oh and lets not forget about PRICES....

 

You can get weed VERY cheap in Mexico as it is, decriminalizing it, will make it EVEN CHEAPER..

 

Like I said...

 

Mexico, on $40 a day... hell of a vacation.....

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I had thought about that but the real problem here in the states is when you work for an employer who does drug testing, they aren't going to care if you were in Mexico on vacation and smoked pot legally there, it stays in your system for 30 days I have heard...come home tanned and relaxed and get slammed with a drug test at work, that would SUCK!!!

[phreakwars]

I had thought about that but the real problem here in the states is when you work for an employer who does drug testing, they aren't going to care if you were in Mexico on vacation and smoked pot legally there, it stays in your system for 30 days I have heard...come home tanned and relaxed and get slammed with a drug test at work, that would SUCK!!!

LOL, do you REALLY think people will give a shit about that ?? Maybe a select few, but for the casual worker at a typical job that is easily expendable and NOT a career, they won't give a shit about drug testing worries.

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[Lethalfind]

LOL, do you REALLY think people will give a shit about that ?? Maybe a select few, but for the casual worker at a typical job that is easily expendable and NOT a career, they won't give a shit about drug testing worries.

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Oh absolutely I know there are alot of jobs like that but there are also ALOT of places that drug test now, even Lowes and Petsmart drug test their employees. I KNOW I will be subject to it as a nurse in a hospital and MAN would I be fucked if I went to school all this time, and lost my nursing license over some weed...

[builder]

Our two territories, the Northern Territory, and the Australian Capital Territory, decriminalised pot way back. On the spot fines for minor possesion, dealers still get lumbered, but no increase or decrease was recorded in traffic or sales.

 

Smoking pot, snorting coke, shooting hammer, are all victimless activities, not crimes. What makes it seem criminal is the undercover way you must purchase such substances.

 

Why choke the legal system and the penitentiaries with people who want to get high? No wonder real crims are getting off easy. The jails are full of people who like to get high.

 

As for drug testing, I do my own test every Monday. If beer tastes better than coffee, I declare a long weekend. I'm the boss, so what I say goes.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

My only coments on this:

 

Fuck Mexico

Fuck Illegal Immigrants

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Fuck all and everyone who support them in any shape or forum

 

And while i am at it:

 

Fuck Islam

Fuck Single Mothers

Fuck Religion

Fuck the Government

and FUCK YOU TOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 

Silly Bastards

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Oh and fuck hijacking threads

and fuck irrevelant comments

[Gallytuck]

But then again, there IS something to be said for doing this. Although it might...

 

 

Mexico, on $40 a day... hell of a vacation.....

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Tying into that, it just might turn Mexico around. Tourism could be huge there because they do have some nice scenery here and there. Using the MexiDam hypothesis and the fact that was mentioned about the Mexican government being composed of criminals, maybe they've realized that they're big players in Mexico which still makes them insignificant on a world scale. And you know how them Latinos love power. So legalizing drugs gives them the increased user base, as mentioned, and also gives western North Americans a closer party vacation destination.

 

Now, since the criminals are the government and if they go the tourism route they're going to have to rehaul a LOT of shit. They'll have to revamp their law enforcement to bring them to integrity levels found in the U.S. and Canada(i.e. having better things to do than to target tourists and bust them for petty crimes in exchange for petty cash in "fines" and other assorted bullshit authority abuse schemes they dabble in) as well as use the police to cut down on the kidnappings and brutal shit that goes down in Mexico City. I don't want to go anywhere for my holidays which is populated by people who don't want to be there themselves.

 

Legalizing drugs is only a small part of lifting Mexico out of the slums. They should have waited, though. The way the country is now legalizing drugs will just mean less junkies in prison and no more headaches for users. I just don't see how this will help Mexico at all in the shape it's currently in.

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Fox keeps saying he's going to sign it into law - but he hasn't yet.......

[Lethalfind]

Fox keeps saying he's going to sign it into law - but he hasn't yet.......

 

 

This is more evidence that Mexico doesn't give a shit what we think or want, they want an open door for their immigrants but they are unwilling to take into account anything that concerns the US...

 

Another example is how Mexico will not extradite anyone to the US who is going to face the death penalty, what fuckin nerve...I geuss they would rather keep them and let them die in their prisons.

[elheber]

Wait, hold on. I think you guys only skimmed through the news article.

 

The drugs will STILL be illegal narcotics BUT anyone found with a certain amount or less will NOT be criminalized, taken to court, have their paperwork signed and archived, and then possibly be jailed for not being able to pay a fine (as we expect druggies to not be able to do).

 

The idea behind this is that more resources will be available for use on nailing the "big fish" so to speak. No more tax dollars spent on bastard who will continue to use narcotics after jail/fines.

 

Whether this idea is good or bad, I really can't say. But it definetly is not the same idea you guys seem to perceive.

[phreakwars]

Wait, hold on. I think you guys only skimmed through the news article.

 

The drugs will STILL be illegal narcotics BUT anyone found with a certain amount or less will NOT be criminalized, taken to court, have their paperwork signed and archived, and then possibly be jailed for not being able to pay a fine (as we expect druggies to not be able to do).

 

The idea behind this is that more resources will be available for use on nailing the "big fish" so to speak. No more tax dollars spent on bastard who will continue to use narcotics after jail/fines.

 

Whether this idea is good or bad, I really can't say. But it definetly is not the same idea you guys seem to perceive.

HAHAHA, you need to wake up dude. That is what they WANT you, the general public, to believe, so lets examine what you just said here a moment shall we ??

 

The drugs will STILL be illegal narcotics BUT anyone found with a certain amount or less will NOT be criminalized, taken to court, have their paperwork signed and archived, and then possibly be jailed for not being able to pay a fine

Yes, this is correct, and THIS is the part you were meant to see. Now STOP for a second and reexamine what you just said. As long as the person does not have more then the decriminalized amount, they will not have to answer to the law. In a nut shell this is what you said correct ??

 

The idea behind this is that more resources will be available for use on nailing the "big fish" so to speak. No more tax dollars spent on bastard who will continue to use narcotics after jail/fines.

Ah this is where I disagree, and anybody who has lived life in Mexico will ALSO disagree. That is the HOOPLA of the proposal, not the REAL concept. The idea is to put an end to the violence, hell look on just ogrish.com alone and you will see MANY Mexican/South American murders committed by the drug lords.

 

Have you ever been to Mexico ?? I'm not talking about the fucking tourism spots, I am talking about the REAL Mexico ?? Street justice in NOT uncommon at all, the police system is probably one of the most corrupt on this continent, and those who are NOT corrupt are prone to violence against them and their families. Police murdered in cold blood. The idea behind the proposal is to curb the drug market. Less stress on the casual dealer who is NOT causing violence and is NOT associated with a known gang.

 

Now your probably saying " But HE has a huge amount that he is selling, therefore the cops want HIM"

 

NEGATIVE !!

 

He is NOT who they want, they are NOT fighting a war on drugs by decriminalizing it, they are fighting a war on violence against authority by decriminalizing it.

 

And P.S. ...... WELCOME to GF.

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[elheber]

Ah this is where I disagree, and anybody who has lived life in Mexico will ALSO disagree... ...Have you ever been to Mexico ?? I'm not talking about the fucking tourism spots, I am talking about the REAL Mexico??

You're using THIS against me? Where do you think I'm from? Where do you think the "el" in my name "elheber" comes from? Spain? Peru? Have you even taken a look at my profile? Moreover, if you were able to take a look at my IP address, from what country would you guess I'm posting from?

 

I'm not some ignorant stranger. I don't know you or where you're from, but if I did I might be inclined to say I know more about Mexico than you... and that's being really modest. I'm going to assume you know what you're talking about, just like you should have done with me... now let's continue:

 

I did not say the plan was a good idea or a bad idea. I said people in this thread seem to think Mexico is legalizing drug and drug traffic, which you agreed with me is not the case in your first quote of me.

 

Then after that, you entered a ramble about how I was wrong and that is not how the system will work. You said corrupt polititians are doing for the convenience of big dog druglords. You know, that might be true. Apart from saving people money, nothing was said about using the money saved to increase aprehension and detainment of said druglords. I'll tell you one thing though, money WILL be saved on court proceedings and detainments of people who will continue drug habits anyway. There is no federal rehabilitation program.

 

PS. Thank you for welcoming me here.

[Lethalfind]

You're using THIS against me? Where do you think I'm from? Where do you think the "el" in my name "elheber" comes from? Spain? Peru? Have you even taken a look at my profile? Moreover, if you were able to take a look at my IP address, from what country would you guess I'm posting from?

 

I'm not some ignorant stranger. I don't know you or where you're from, but if I did I might be inclined to say I know more about Mexico than you... and that's being really modest. I'm going to assume you know what you're talking about, just like you should have done with me... now let's continue:

 

I did not say the plan was a good idea or a bad idea. I said people in this thread seem to think Mexico is legalizing drug and drug traffic, which you agreed with me is not the case in your first quote of me.

 

Then after that, you entered a ramble about how I was wrong and that is not how the system will work. You said corrupt polititians are doing for the convenience of big dog druglords. You know, that might be true. Apart from saving people money, nothing was said about using the money saved to increase aprehension and detainment of said druglords. I'll tell you one thing though, money WILL be saved on court proceedings and detainments of people who will continue drug habits anyway. There is no federal rehabilitation program.

 

PS. Thank you for welcoming me here.

 

Hey ass hole, Phreak is half Beaner...as in one of his parents are from Mexico...I can't imagine you know more about Mexico then he does...your an idiot, I don't care what country your posting from...

[snafu]

You're using THIS against me? Where do you think I'm from? Where do you think the "el" in my name "elheber" comes from? Spain? Peru? Have you even taken a look at my profile? Moreover, if you were able to take a look at my IP address, from what country would you guess I'm posting from?

 

I'm not some ignorant stranger. I don't know you or where you're from, but if I did I might be inclined to say I know more about Mexico than you... and that's being really modest. I'm going to assume you know what you're talking about, just like you should have done with me... now let's continue:

 

I did not say the plan was a good idea or a bad idea. I said people in this thread seem to think Mexico is legalizing drug and drug traffic, which you agreed with me is not the case in your first quote of me.

 

Then after that, you entered a ramble about how I was wrong and that is not how the system will work. You said corrupt polititians are doing for the convenience of big dog druglords. You know, that might be true. Apart from saving people money, nothing was said about using the money saved to increase aprehension and detainment of said druglords. I'll tell you one thing though, money WILL be saved on court proceedings and detainments of people who will continue drug habits anyway. There is no federal rehabilitation program.

 

PS. Thank you for welcoming me here.

 

Well quit ridding the fence and give an opinion. How can you argue with out a stance?

 

And glad to have you here.

[phreakwars]

Moreover, if you were able to take a look at my IP address, from what country would you guess I'm posting from?

 

Well Ulysses, or would you prefer Mr. Acosta ??

 

The IP Address is: 201.143.21.235. The host name is: red-corp-201.143.21.235.telnor.net

 

You are posting from Uruguay, in south America (If not that, then maybe a proxy out of California ?? ) . you are NOT posting from Mexico,

 

OrgName: Latin American and Caribbean IP address Regional Registry

OrgID: LACNIC

Address: Potosi 1517

City: Montevideo

StateProv:

PostalCode: 11500

Country: UY

 

so no, I will not say you have a better understanding then I . The "EL" in your name means shit to me. I LIVED in Mexico, my dad was born and raised there, and I have MUCHO FAMILIA who still live there in a few of the smaller villages, some of them still in old adobe houses. My last trip down there was spent loading my dead grandma in the back of a truck and helping dig a hole to bury her. As is the usual way to have a funeral in the smaller villages.

 

And if you think I just VISITED the place for a quick impression of life in Mexico, think again, remember, I have lived there too.

 

If you'd like to challenge me on who knows more about life in Mexico, just bring it on.

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[Gallytuck]

Well Ulysses, or would you prefer Mr. Acosta ??...

 

 

 

If you'd like to challenge me on who knows more about life in Mexico, just bring it on.

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The People's Bean gettin' a little testy there, eh?

[jokersarewild]

Well Ulysses, or would you prefer Mr. Acosta ??

 

The IP Address is: 201.143.21.235. The host name is: red-corp-201.143.21.235.telnor.net

 

You are posting from Uruguay, in south America (If not that, then maybe a proxy out of California ?? ) . you are NOT posting from Mexico,

 

OrgName: Latin American and Caribbean IP address Regional Registry

OrgID: LACNIC

Address: Potosi 1517

City: Montevideo

StateProv:

PostalCode: 11500

Country: UY

 

so no, I will not say you have a better understanding then I . The "EL" in your name means shit to me. I LIVED in Mexico, my dad was born and raised there, and I have MUCHO FAMILIA who still live there in a few of the smaller villages, some of them still in old adobe houses. My last trip down there was spent loading my dead grandma in the back of a truck and helping dig a hole to bury her. As is the usual way to have a funeral in the smaller villages.

 

And if you think I just VISITED the place for a quick impression of life in Mexico, think again, remember, I have lived there too.

 

If you'd like to challenge me on who knows more about life in Mexico, just bring it on.

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Well, Mr. Ulysses Acosta just got pwned...