tomaust Posted May 6, 2006 Author Posted May 6, 2006 DEAR MARIAMA THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST our rude vulgar brutal friends here are not our so dear christian friends,they are in fact racist zionist israelis who hide under christian names and identity to mislead people and goad them against muslims;more about the prophet: The Prophet's Contribution to Human Thought To arrive at a correct appraisal of the Prophet's contribution to human thought, one has to view it in the background of the history of the world as a whole. That would reveal that this unlettered dweller of the desert of Arabia, who was born in the Quote I am a fucktard
jokersarewild Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 DEAR MARIAMA THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST our rude vulgar brutal friends here are not our so dear christian friends,they are in fact racist zionist israelis who hide under christian names and identity to mislead people and goad them against muslims;more about the prophet: The Prophet's Contribution to Human Thought You proved what I said earlier, douchebag. ALLAH IS YOUR GOD, not Child-molesting, camel-fucking "mohammed" (may "allah" cut him with a butter knife.) Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
Lethalfind Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 DEAR MARIAMA THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST our rude vulgar brutal friends here are not our so dear christian friends,they are in fact racist zionist israelis who hide under christian names and identity to mislead people and goad them against muslims;more about the prophet. Your mind is full of pig shit... You ARE pig shit in fact. You will not get ANYONE to believe your ALLAH bullshit here... Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
Hamza123 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Curses, insults, all this shit... From what I have read, most of you don't understand shit all when it comes to debating for or against Islam. Number one, I believe in respect for all religions, however, respect doesn't mean you have to like the religion. Number two, sorry, but you cannot mix debate with religion. If you want to try to sway someones opinion or show them the truth, cursing them to hell because they're being rude is innapropriate. This debate can literaly go on for hours, the only way to reach a common stance is to learn to live with one another and learn to acknowledge eachother as common human beings - regardless of religion, ethnicity, etc... And this is possible. As I said, a non-muslim isn't a kuffar, or better known to you westerners, a disbeliever. It depends on the person and their OVERALL creed on Earth. Now, I know you may not like me quoting from the Qur'an or Bible etc... But this one quote I have previously used should be simple proof enough. "Those who pervert the Truth in Our Signs are not hidden from Us. Which is better? he that is cast into the Fire, or he that comes safe through, on the Day of Judgement? Do what ye will: Verily He seeth (clearly) all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 41:40)" Here we clearly see Allah Almighty giving a freedom of choice for people to choose or refuse Islam. So to those muslims on GF, I have learned, once you show them enough from the Qur'an that you believe is sufficient enough to atleast show them that the Qur'an does not opress or do negative things, don't condemn them. It's their choice. Infact, if you try to change them or in any way verbally or phyisically make them take a stand point, you're breaking God's will. The education is provided by you, if they don't wan't to take it, well, I have chosen to continue to provide insight on the topic, but you have to be open. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
Lethalfind Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 A culture to be proud of... Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
eisanbt Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 DEAR MARIAMA THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST our rude vulgar brutal friends here are not our so dear christian friends,they are in fact racist zionist israelis who hide under christian names and identity to mislead people and goad them against muslims You can't honestly believe this.... I'm not so arrogant as to toss reasonable people such as Hamza into the "Islam is dumb" pot, it is simply fools such as yourself that breed hate against humanity that stir my anger, wither it be Israelis or Islamic, condemning a people is impossible to justify. To clarify, no we are not Israelis plotting against you, nor are we space aliens trying to probe you and your cows. Fanaticism will lead to not only self-destruction, but that of those you associate with. I wish you well in smartening the fuck up, worshipping moderately and learning that preaching will do nothing to aid the world. As for you question: What is the purpose of my life? It is I who decide my purpose, I wish only to live well and hopefully stay happy. If you wish to be a passive mind and let dreams control you than at least do so in consideration that other choose a different path. There is no supreme being for anybody to prophesize, ergo prophets can only tell lies. To end, Hamza is correct that this debate can lead nowhere. Preachers will preache based on faith, the rational will rationalize and the hate breaders will keep spewing shit. Quote http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards" -Lewis Carroll
phreakwars Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 DEAR MARIAMA THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST our rude vulgar brutal friends here are not our so dear christian friends,they are in fact racist zionist israelis who hide under christian names and identity to mislead people and goad them against muslimsUhm, NO,, I am a Diest, not a Christian, My church is on the highest mound closest to god,and I still say your a fucking idiot. I only follow the first creed in EVERY religion and nothing more... the belief in God. HOW DARE YOU use the name of God/Allah to judge others. But most of all, how dare Mohammad claim to have recieved the word of God and demand people follow what he says. If GOD wanted me to follow Islam or Christianity, or Judism, or any other organized religion, he would tell me so himself. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Sorry I've been out of the loop on this topic for the last couple of days, I would love to chime in, but tomoust's mariama's and of course ham-za's arguments are still the same. of course my argument hasn't changed either, in fact my argument just keeps getting more and more support from the islamic fascists themselves...http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/06/iraq.main/index.html All you have to do is watch the news and ther'es a fucking muslim killing something. mariama, my question to you is.. If Allah is so allmighty, why does he need your terrorists to kill foir him? Is he not strong enough to do his own killing? Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
phreakwars Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Like I said before: http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=809364&postcount=4 . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
Mariama Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Terrorism does not come from Islam, this is where the confusion comes in...It is not acceptable to be sure! Forget what you see and hear, because when I walk down the street, know that you shall not be blown up by me! Allah does what befits His Majesty, Since Allah has not told me to kill anyone you question is baseless no? What has blowing up got to do with Allah? He placed us on the earth to worship Him, we are here to be tested and tested we shall be.. Im unsure as to the nature of you question, what has Allah got to do with bombs and such? The KKK use christianity to support there evil notions, but I know that christianity has little to do with there backwards thinking, so why should you claim the same thing of Islam? Just because a few blow something up how does that effect the rest of us? Theres around 1 billion Muslims worldwide and the majority do not take part in terrorism and do not blow themselves up, since if they did, we would all been killed along time ago! so your argument is pointless. Going by your arguement, whenever I see a christian I should now avoid him/her because she/he is from the KKK and might lynch me... You smile my friend but it is just so I assure you, to me your question is as absurd as the very idea I stated above... Allah is rich, we are poor, Allah is all-powerful we are weak... And remember Allah is the best of planners. Jokerarewild..or (whatever your name is) You are truly of the lower portions of society.. You also need to go back to school lol half man, half bear, half pig, was it? Two halves make a whole, so therefore you mean quarters no?..I'm thinking maybe nursery is a good place for you to start... Hamza, check your deen please, To believe in Islam is to accept that anyone who does not believe in La ilaha il Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasool-Allah is a kafir, ie, (disbeliever) what about this can't you accept? Why else would the Shahada state this.. It is not unpleasent it is not difficult, so deal with it, my mum is a kafir, but we get along great so try to understand! Quote I need to post something other than Islam hate.
RoyalOrleans Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Terrorism does not come from Islam, this is where the confusion comes in...It is not acceptable to be sure! I'll give you that, but the only terrorists that make the news are Muslims. Forget what you see and hear, because when I walk down the street, know that you shall not be blown up by me! I have no doubt that you and some of your ilk are peaceful Muslims, but ticking timebombs ready to embark on a suicide mission to throw down Israel. Allah does what befits His Majesty, Since Allah has not told me to kill anyone you question is baseless no? What has blowing up got to do with Allah? He placed us on the earth to worship Him, we are here to be tested and tested we shall be.. Muhammed must be spinning in his grave to hear you say that! what has Allah got to do with bombs and such? Do you own a television? Allah loves bombs and such, especially those that his shitheel worshippers strap to the chests of little boys and girls. He loves them young and tender. The KKK use christianity to support there evil notions, but I know that christianity has little to do with there backwards thinking, so why should you claim the same thing of Islam? What gives you the notion that the KKK is evil? Compared to Islam? Give me a break! Though I hate the Klan and their platform, I can't help but to think of them as harmless old fucks with nothing better to do. I think Islam has set a new precedent for evil. Just because a few blow something up how does that effect the rest of us? Well when your religious zealots strap bombs to the chests of small, innocent children, I can't help but to be affect by that. Theres around 1 billion Muslims worldwide and the majority do not take part in terrorism and do not blow themselves up, since if they did, we would all been killed along time ago! so your argument is pointless. And I know we have one billion bullets. I have no doubt that the majority of the muslim population are in fact peaceful folk. But I am also of the notion that they still read the same Quran and it is just a matter of time before they, too, become enraged by the growth of Israel. Going by your arguement, whenever I see a christian I should now avoid him/her because she/he is from the KKK and might lynch me... And don't you forget it either. The majority of white christians hate the KKK... loathe it. But they are united in their contempt for you and your pigshit faith. Allah is rich, we are poor, Allah is all-powerful we are weak... And remember Allah is the best of planners. Yes he is a great planner... I mean, he helped those fucktards pull off the hijacking of planes and brought down the US' symbol of capitalism, our symbols of hope from despair, or symbols of freedom. The Muslim world will be dealt a serious blow when Jesus has his final judgment day. Quote To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man. - Ric Flair Everybody knows I'm known for dropping science.
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Terrorism does not come from Islam,true! the fact is islam comes from terrorism. Terror is how it spreads, terror is how it maintains its political grip wherever it spreads to. You fucking simpletons bitch about israel, when infact Sadia Arabia treat "kafirs" MUCH worse than israel treats you pig-fucking muslims! You hypocritically attack the US for supportting israel, while donating billions to Al-Queda, hamas, islamic-jihad, etc, etc, ad nauseum... You then have the audacity to compare your very well funded and well supplied terrorist strongarm of islam to the broken, backwards and totally ineffectual loonies called the KKK. this is where the confusion comes in...It is not acceptable to be sure!Oh no? Where do the taliban get there authority? Where do the Saudis get the notion that if a Christian marries a pig-whore muslim slut he is to be put to death? Where do the middle eastern imams and clerics get their authority to issues FARTwas calling for assasinations of people like Salmon Rushdie? Forget what you see and hear,That is y\the only way a person could actually believe that pig-shit religion has any validity, to be sure! ... because when I walk down the street, know that you shall not be blown up by me!truer lies were never spoken! Allah does what befits His Majesty, Since Allah has not told me to kill anyone you question is baseless no? Well you better go wipe the pig-sperm off of your koran and re-read the parts to "strike their necks" and "not take jews or christians for friends" and to kill, kill, killl jump up and down yelling kill, kill, kill I wanna feel smell burnt dead bodies, awanna feel veins between my teeth! What has blowing up got to do with Allah?well, I guess you could poison us, or shoot us, blowing us is not the only way! Im unsure as to the nature of you question, what has Allah got to do with bombs and such?because that is all your pig-shit religion is about... killing kaffirs 'till they submit or pay the jitza tax! fuck you, and your pedophile prophet (may piss be upon him) I will die before I submit or pay one red cent to a jitza tax! The KKK use christianity to support there evil notions, but I know that christianity has little to do with there backwards thinking, so why should you claim the same thing of Islam?blah, blah, blah and the crusades were... blah blah blah, and this and that, that has no relevance blah blah blah... Just because a few blow something up how does that effect the rest of us?Because YOU support it! Theres around 1 billion Muslims worldwide and the majority do not take part in terrorism and do not blow themselves up, since if they did, we would all been killed along time ago! so your argument is pointless.better strap that bomb on then and rid the world of your stupdity. Going by your arguement, whenever I see a christian I should now avoid him/her because she/he is from the KKK and might lynch me...You should avoid Christians anyway since your swine-dung koran commands you "take not Jews or Christians as friends"... anyway if you could find a ytrue KKK member, I'd be surprised your chances of finding the end of the rainbow are greater. You smile my friend but it is just so I assure you, to me your question is as absurd as the very idea I stated above...Your anwers is self-righteous and hypocritical to be sure. I'm done 'till next time... Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
eisanbt Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 I'll give you that, but the only terrorists that make the news are Muslims. By which you mean they're the only terrorists put in the news... http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Colombia_releases_detailed_report_about_the_FARC http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/CPP.htm Who gives a shit about Columbia or the Philiipines though? When you wage war upon a terrorist organization you are obviously going to suffer more casualties at their hands as they will be more active. How many American troops were killed by Al-Qaeda prior to invasion? How many Americans even knew what the hell Al-Qaeda was prior to invasion...But who can blame them, they weren’t really in the news so how would they know? And let us again keep in mind the political powers in place in the Mideast as well as the state of development they are in. The fact the KKK (An American based organization) is so comparatively weak is a reflection of America's ability to keep them under wraps as America is a rich and highly developed democracy. Go back when America was still growing and you'll see such organizations had much more power and presence. (The civil war can seen be an example, to an extent of course) It is a weak and corrupt government is what causes the shit to spill out, not the shit itself. Quote http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards" -Lewis Carroll
jokersarewild Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Jokerarewild..or (whatever your name is) You are truly of the lower portions of society.. You also need to go back to school lol half man, half bear, half pig, was it? Two halves make a whole, so therefore you mean quarters no?..I'm thinking maybe nursery is a good place for you to start... Lower portions of society, eh? Since I'm not a muslim, that means that I am still higher than you! And the "manbearpig" thing was from an episode of South Park. But since you bring up my "faulty" math skills, why don't I bring up yours? If you can add fractions, you would know that 1/4+1/4+1/4=3/4, so why the fuck would I mean quarters? If I had actually been the original person to come up with it, I would use THIRDS, dumbass muslim! Oh, I get it. You are one of those people who can't actually win an argument so you call people stupid, belittle them, and point out minute mistakes in what they say (except you haven't pointed out anything wrong). <sarcasm>I am sorry that I have forced you into this.</sarcasm> Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
Hamza123 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 MRIH... There are 26 000 000 people living in Iraq!! Now, if they really were evil and hated the USA, they would have all rebelled against the Coalition and fucking had one massive array of bombings!! BUT THEY WANT PEACE!! THE USA WANTS PEACE!! BY REJECTING MUSLIMS WHO WANT PEACE, YOU MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE SOLDIERS OVERSEAS TO TRY AND GAIN THE SIDE OF THE MUSLIMS TO FIGHT TERROR!! Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
Hamza123 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Israel's Occupation is illegal MRIH. Israel has been, illegally, in military occupation of the West Bank, including east Jerusalem, and the Gaza strip since 1967 - the longest such occupation in history, and the only one anywhere in the world today. This fact is fundamental to understanding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The rules governing the behaviour of an occupying power are laid down in the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949), relating to the protection of civilians in time of war, to which Israel is a high contracting party. The convention is a cornerstone of international humanitarian law. It sets basic legal standards for the treatment of civilians during armed conflict or under occupation. It bans indiscriminate use of force against civilians, wanton destruction of property, torture, collective punishment, the annexation of occupied territory, and the establishment of settlements or colonies on occupied land. It requires that all high contracting parties ensure that the convention is respected and that those who commit war crimes are brought judicially to account. Alone among the 189 high contracting parties (states signatory to the convention), Israel has throughout its 35-year occupation refused to recognize the legal applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Palestinian territories. The International Committee of the Red Cross and the UN have consistently maintained that the convention applies fully to the occupied territories and that the Palestinians are a protected population under its terms. The abortive Oslo "peace process" has not changed their status in this regard. They may not be killed, tortured, ill-treated or suffer humiliating and degrading treatment. They may not be deported. Their property may not be destroyed unless "rendered absolutely necessary by military operations". Collective punishment and reprisals are prohibited. Israel may not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. Article 147 spells out a list of "grave breaches" of the convention. Under Article 8 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, "grave breaches" of the Geneva Conventions constitute war crimes. Israel has also ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, one of the major UN human rights treaties. This treaty, which Israel has solemnly undertaken to uphold, contains several articles, including the right to life and the right not to be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, which cannot be derogated from even "in time of public emergency which threats the life of the nation". A casual reading of the newspapers will confirm that Israel is routinely, even daily, in breach of its international humanitarian and human rights commitments. Last December, the Swiss government, as a depository of the Geneva Conventions, called a conference of high contracting parties to discuss the implementation of the Fourth Convention in the occupied Palestinian territories, including Jerusalem. Israel, together with the United States, boycotted the conference. The World Council of Churches, through the Churches' Commission on International Affairs, criticized the conference for failing to recommend concrete measures and effective international mechanisms to ensure the protection of civilian populations in the territories. "As people of faith we uphold and defend the sanctity of all life, both Palestinian and Israeli, and cannot remain silent in the face of suffering, insecurity and fear of both peoples," the commission said. "Israel's repeated defiance of international law, its continuing occupation, and the impunity it has so long enjoyed are the fundamental causes of the present violence and threaten the peace and security of both peoples." As part of the Decade to Overcome Violence, launched in Potsdam in February 2001, the WCC is calling on churches this year to focus on ending the illegal occupation of Palestine and promoting a comprehensive peace, based on justice and security for all the peoples of the Middle East. 1 Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
jokersarewild Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Show me where it says Jihad means holy war and not struggle for humanitarian needs!! You don't know anything about Islam!! http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=hsJPK0PIJpH&b=886017&ct=1181595 Scroll down to Jihad. I HAVE SHOWN VERSES PREACHING PEACE!! I HAVE SHOWN VERSES THAT SAY TO NEVER FORCE ISLAM UPON THE NON-MUSLIMS!! I HAVE SHOWN VERSES THAT SAY TO REPSECT WOMEN MORE THAN FELLOW MEN!! Where? Those fake Christians also use all the same tactics against Islam. YES, I SAID IT BACK. MRIH YOU ONLY SAY THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER!! FALSE phedophile shit about our Prophet Muhammed!! Calling our religion false!! You sicken me! Even someone on here admit to having different views of Muslims after 9/11. Well, after the Iraqi war, I should all think your soldiers, men and women are all terrorists that I should live to destroy eh ?? Terrorism: Any act including, but not limited to, the use of force or violence and/or threat thereof of any person or group(s) of persons whether acting alone or on behalf of, or in connection with, any organisation(s) or government(s) committed for political, religions, ideological or similar purposes, including the intention to influence any government and/or to put the public or any section of the public in fear. We don't intend to scare you. We intend to give you an unoppresive government. If you don't like it, we'll give you back Saddam for a week. You'll change your mind. If you want to win this war against hate, against terorism, against constant opression, you need all the good Muslims on your side!! And so far, you're doing a hell of a shitty job doing so! Don't denounce Islam, denounce the terrorists as millions of Muslims have been doing. YOU JUST NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT!! Because it doesn't happen. They don't denounce a damn thing. The moment the Danish draw a few pictures, though, they start burning shit down. There are 26 000 000 people living in Iraq!! Now, if they really were evil and hated the USA, they would have all rebelled against the Coalition and fucking had one massive array of bombings!! BUT THEY WANT PEACE!! No, they wouldn't have, because we really would have considered mass bombings against them...oh wait, they wouldn't care, they would get virgins... BY REJECTING MUSLIMS WHO WANT PEACE, YOU MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE SOLDIERS OVERSEAS TO TRY AND GAIN THE SIDE OF THE MUSLIMS TO FIGHT TERROR!! Yeah, all 5 of those muslims... Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
Hamza123 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=hsJPK0PIJpH&b=886017&ct=1181595 Scroll down to Jihad. Where? Terrorism: Any act including, but not limited to, the use of force or violence and/or threat thereof of any person or group(s) of persons whether acting alone or on behalf of, or in connection with, any organisation(s) or government(s) committed for political, religions, ideological or similar purposes, including the intention to influence any government and/or to put the public or any section of the public in fear. We don't intend to scare you. We intend to give you an unoppresive government. If you don't like it, we'll give you back Saddam for a week. You'll change your mind. Because it doesn't happen. They don't denounce a damn thing. The moment the Danish draw a few pictures, though, they start burning shit down. No, they wouldn't have, because we really would have considered mass bombings against them...oh wait, they wouldn't care, they would get virgins... Yeah, all 5 of those muslims... WOW!! You use http://www.theisraelproject.org as your source? WHAT BETTER SOURCE THAN THE QUR'AN FOR THE DEFINITION OF JIHAD!! Jihad Personal individual struggle against evil in the way of Allah. It can also be collective defense of the Muslim community. http://re-xs.ucsm.ac.uk/gcsere/glossaries/islamglos.html Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
jokersarewild Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 [ ]a holy war waged by Muslims against infidels [ ]a holy struggle or striving by a Muslim for a moral or spiritual or political goal http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=16&oi=define&q=http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Djihad Is Princeton better? I also noticed how you totally ignored the rest of it...can't defend yoru own religion? Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
Hamza123 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Where? RIGHT HERE!! http://Off Topic Forum.com/showthread.php?p=750896#post750896 Yeah, all 5 of those muslims... Thats the fucking idiot attitude that gets you no where. American Muslims and Scholars denounce Terrorism!! http://www.islam-democracy.org/terrorism_statement.asp Muslims gainst terrorism and extremism!! http://www.freemuslims.org/ Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php Muslims march against the cartoons AND rioting!! http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=221282006 Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
snafu Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Yeah we ignore everything about the shit bag Muhammed because he was a phedophile and a terrorist. But this is a good read here. It does come down to world imperialism which christianity has abonded and Islam still strives for. http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22333 See not everyghing is black and white. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
Hamza123 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 [ ]a holy war waged by Muslims against infidels [ ]a holy struggle or striving by a Muslim for a moral or spiritual or political goal http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=16&oi=define&q=http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Djihad Is Princeton better? I also noticed how you totally ignored the rest of it...can't defend yoru own religion? The best definition of Jihad is in arabic!! Do you know arabic? I DON'T THINK SO! Approximately fourteen hundred years ago, prophet Muhammed ,the last in the line of the prophets of Islam (Submission), delivered the Quran, the Final Testament. Islam (Submission in English) was founded by Abraham. Ever since the Renaissance, its believers have been subjected to difficulties. From the Inquisition in Spain and Andalucia to the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Chechnya, the Muslim people have endured colonial regime and economic and military oppression. By the means of media, Islam (Submission) has been given a sinister image in the eye of the public opinion, this notorious image is mainly due to the ignorance and misunderstanding of the media and public. A word which is often heard and associated with the acts of certain individuals, claiming to act in the name of Islam, is the Arabic word: Jihad. Its significance plays an extremely crucial role in the image of Islam. But what does this so widely known word mean? Jihad has a great significance in the lives of Muslims (Submitters in English). Like any language, Arabic has unique words which have a particular meaning which cannot be translated precisely. The best translation known for such a word is the following: a sincere and noticeable effort (for good); an all true and unselfish striving for spiritual good. Jihad as presented in the Quran and any of the other scriptures implies the striving of spiritual good. This Jihad particularly involves change in one's self and mentality. It may concern the sacrifice of material property, social class and even emotional comfort solely for the salvation and worship of God ALONE. As a result, one who practises Jihad will gain tremendously in the Hereafter . "The Hereafter is far better for you than this first (life.)"(93:4) "Say, "O my people, do your best, and so will I. You will surely find out who the ultimate victors are." Certainly, the wicked will never succeed."(6:135). The Jihad involves noticeable effort for righteousness. This means that the effort concentrated in the Jihad is a step in the true and ultimate path of Islam (submission); the effort imposed on one's self. Thus Jihad is solely individual, self-centered and self-interested. This effort is only the doing of good for salvation and pardon of God. The Quran points this out in the following verse: "The day will come when every soul will serve as its own advocate, and every soul will be paid fully for whatever it had done, without the least injustice." (16:111). " The day will come when each soul will find all the good works it had done brought forth. As for the evil works, it will wish that they were far, far removed. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. GOD is Compassionate towards the people. " (3:30). In respect to the above Quranic verses, God tells the believers that all acts will reflect the soul of their authors. Examples of this Jihad would be to exceed in the sincere act of good deeds (to frequent the mosques that worship God alone more often; to study the scripture in detail, to help the poor and the orphans, to stand for people's right for freedom, be equitable, never bear witness false testimony, frequent and stay in good terms with friends and neighbors, etc.) and the restraining of the doing of sins (to commit adultery, to steel, to lie, to cheat, to insult people, to gossip, etc.); "As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice." (4:124). The previous Quranic verse highlights the meaning of Jihad and its role. It has also mentioned the importance of the sincerity when it is practised. Jihad emphasizes on the individual. Say, "O my people, do your best, and so will I. You will surely find out who the ultimate victors are." Certainly, the wicked will never succeed."(6:135). Jihad also includes the striving and establishing of justice. Before one can strive for justice in his/her community, justice must be one of his/her main religious and moral principles. Since this verse shows that God accepts only justice, fighting in the name of God is fighting in the name of justice. But, contrary to many people's interpretation, Jihad is anything but a holy war; the media and public misunderstand this. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
Mariama Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 (Jokersarewild) Yes the LOWEST - PORTIONS - OF - SOCIETY... Big letters for you "while donating billions to Al-Queda, hamas, islamic-jihad, etc, etc, ad nauseum..." I had no idea I was donating MY billions!! Good grief, no wonder..I did think I was loosing money quickly, thankyou for telling me. To the slightly less insipid rednecks amongst you (if any)... Does Allah love bombs though? (May Allah forgive and guide us all.) You will not find ANY evidence to support your notion... Saudi? Have you been there? Have you seen anything fo what you speak? And why are you blaming me for all of these issues? Why me? In one breath I tell you I DO NOT SUPPORT BOMBING, yet afterwards you tell me I do.. Reasonable? I think not. I keep telling you, and have no doubt I shall have to repeat myself again, I know suicide bombing is just that; SUICIDE, which is a major sin in Islam, so please know once again, I shall not be partaking in such a scheme! And it is ok, nobody is asking you to pay the tax, it is only for Jews and Christians, they are the only ones allowed to live in the Islamic state.. You would mess up the place anyhow, please do not worry we shall not loose any sleep over you. You are asking too much when you expect me to solve these issues, I am not part of the taliban, so therefore I cannot tell you where they get their fatwa from, I only know they are tyrants. I'm not sure Saudi say what you think they say, the last I heard it was your arguement that Muslim women are opressed since we have to cover, and now we are whores?! Which is it please? A christian man is not good enough for a Muslim women. We have nothing in common. To him his pork and beer to us Islam, dignity, and our CLEAN Muslim men. When Jesus (Isa, May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) comes back, he will KILL the pig to love so much and break the cross, he will not answer to your cries of jesus, since this is not his name! I do not belittle anyone, you do this on your own merrits! Quote I need to post something other than Islam hate.
Hamza123 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Yeah we ignore everything about the shit bag Muhammed because he was a phedophile and a terrorist. But this is a good read here. It does come down to world imperialism which christianity has abonded and Islam still strives for. http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22333 See not everyghing is in black and white. Imperialism?? You obviously never studied 13-18 century history?? Never heard of the crusades? Never heard of the mass slaughter of the Ottoman Empire by the mongols! Never heard of Alexander the Great's slavery of arabs, jews and black people. You wanna' talk about imperialism ?? The USA NATIONAL DEFENCE BUDGET IS THREE QUATERS OF A TRILLION DOLLARS!! Profits went up last year, well over 25%! KIDS IN IRAQ BOTH FORM THE COALITION AND IRAQI CHILDREN ARE ALL DYING!! Billions are being SPENT every MONTH! THERE ARE 725 AMERICAN MILITARY BASES IN 130 FOREIGN COUNTRIES!! Hows that for imperialism!! See for yourself! http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/baker1.html There's even a movie... http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony/whywefight/trailer/ Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
eisanbt Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Yeah we ignore everything about the shit bag Muhammed because he was a phedophile and a terrorist. Wither or not that is true is entirely irrelevant so there Quote http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards" -Lewis Carroll
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