Many People Ignore Everything About The Prophet Muhammed

[Hamza123]

Wither or not that is true is entirely irrelevant so there

[jokersarewild]

(Jokersarewild) Yes the LOWEST - PORTIONS - OF - SOCIETY...

Big letters for you

 

Everything is lost on you, isn't it?

 

"while donating billions to Al-Queda, hamas, islamic-jihad, etc, etc, ad nauseum..."

 

I had no idea I was donating MY billions!! Good grief, no wonder..I did think I was loosing money quickly, thankyou for telling me.

 

Huh?

 

To the slightly less insipid rednecks amongst you (if any)...

 

There aren't a whole lot of rednecks in the US. Traveling around has taught me that. But go ahead...you might possibly almost not quite think about having something good to say...

 

Does Allah love bombs though? (May Allah forgive and guide us all.)

You will not find ANY evidence to support your notion...

 

Depends? Does Allah exist? And if you make the wildly outrageous claim that he does...then PROVE it.

 

In one breath I tell you I DO NOT SUPPORT BOMBING, yet afterwards you tell me I do.. Reasonable? I think not.

 

And some catholics support birth control. Cafeteria-style, eh?

I keep telling you, and have no doubt I shall have to repeat myself again, I know suicide bombing is just that; SUICIDE, which is a major sin in Islam, so please know once again, I shall not be partaking in such a scheme!

 

We aren't blaming you, just your religion.

 

And it is ok, nobody is asking you to pay the tax, it is only for Jews and Christians, they are the only ones allowed to live in the Islamic state..

You would mess up the place anyhow, please do not worry we shall not loose any sleep over you.

 

All your base are belong to us.

 

You are asking too much when you expect me to solve these issues, I am not part of the taliban, so therefore I cannot tell you where they get their fatwa from, I only know they are tyrants.

 

If you want to prove how "good" Islam is, don't show me shit from your book. Show me shit from what's actually happening in the world...like those muslims that were talking shit about suicide bombers...

 

 

A christian man is not good enough for a Muslim women. We have nothing in common. To him his pork and beer to us Islam, dignity, and our CLEAN Muslim men.

 

I highly doubt that many christians want to associate themselves with you or your religion.

 

When Jesus (Isa, May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) comes back, he will KILL the pig to love so much and break the cross, he will not answer to your cries of jesus, since this is not his name!

 

What? So the people who actually chronicled his life didn't know his name? You have got to be kidding me. What you said makes no sense at all. I guess Peter, Matthew, Luke, and John all screwed it up. Oh, and Mary Magdeline too, can't forget her.

 

I do not belittle anyone, you do this on your own merrits!

 

All your base are belong to us.

[snafu]

Imperialism?? You obviously never studied 13-18 century history??

 

Never heard of the crusades? Never heard of the mass slaughter of the Ottoman Empire by the mongols! Never heard of Alexander the Great's slavery of arabs, jews and black people.

 

You wanna' talk about imperialism ??

 

 

The USA NATIONAL DEFENCE BUDGET IS THREE QUATERS OF A TRILLION DOLLARS!! Profits went up last year, well over 25%!

 

KIDS IN IRAQ BOTH FORM THE COALITION AND IRAQI CHILDREN ARE ALL DYING!! Billions are being SPENT every MONTH!

 

THERE ARE 725 AMERICAN MILITARY BASES IN 130 FOREIGN COUNTRIES!! Hows that for imperialism!!

 

See for yourself!

 

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/baker1.html

 

There's even a movie...

 

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony/whywefight/trailer/

 

Read the fucking article first! It talks about that. You just might agree on some of it.

I will be equal of or better than my Muslim counterparts. Not below them!

 

We are not in any country without consent other than Iraq. We pay and protect those other countries.

[snafu]

Wither or not that is true is entirely irrelevant so there

[Lethalfind]

I don't know what Hamza might or might not do. I know he's a pacafist that tries to justify the wrong doings of his peers. To me that's almost as bad.

 

Hamza's a nice kid but he's only 16 years old...

[jokersarewild]

Hamza's a nice kid but he's only 16 years old...

 

There's something wrong with the age of 16?

[Hamza123]

I don't know what Hamza might or might not do. I know he's a pacafist that tries to justify the wrong doings of his peers. To me that's almost as bad.

 

Anyone to ever hold a muscle over the innocent is never justification! A terrorist attack like 9/11 isn't justification for anything!! No matter how bad it is! RETALIATION IS NOT HEARD OF IN MY MIND!!

 

I have never said 9/11 was right, I have never justified a terrorist attack!!

 

Who are you to tell me who I am!!

 

Lethal doesn't like Islam, but thats her right! SHES A NICE PERSON and I CHOOSE TO LIKE HER BECAUSE OF HER CREED!! The point is, no matter how hard we tackle each other in this game of football, we'll still enjoy a drink after the game. A coke for me though.

 

Anyways, my main point in this debate, is to explain to people that just because you're a muslim doesn't mean you're evil!! Man should no longer judge others on their labels given by the media and society!! But by the person from whom they are!! Martin Luther King JR. was a Muslim!! He was a great man! You need to understand that it's not Islam that is evil, it's the specific people who try to make it evil!!

 

I only choose to be Muslim because I think it's beautiful! Remember, I THINK. I believe Allah, or God, whatever you like to call... Is real. This is my belief! BUT I don't think I am better than any Christian, Jew, or Athiest, WE'RE ALL PEOPLE DAMNIT!

[jokersarewild]

Anyone to ever hold a muscle over the innocent is never justification! A terrorist attack like 9/11 isn't justification for anything!! No matter how bad it is! RETALIATION IS NOT HEARD OF IN MY MIND!!

 

I have never said 9/11 was right, I have never justified a terrorist attack!!

 

Who are you to tell me who I am!!

 

Lethal doesn't like Islam, but thats her right! SHES A NICE PERSON and I CHOOSE TO LIKE HER BECAUSE OF HER CREED!! The point is, no matter how hard we tackle each other in this game of football, we'll still enjoy a drink after the game. A coke for me though.

 

Anyways, my main point in this debate, is to explain to people that just because you're a muslim doesn't mean you're evil!! Man should no longer judge others on their labels given by the media and society!! But by the person from whom they are!! Martin Luther King JR. was a Muslim!! He was a great man! You need to understand that it's not Islam that is evil, it's the specific people who try to make it evil!!

 

I only choose to be Muslim because I think it's beautiful! Remember, I THINK. I believe Allah, or God, whatever you like to call... Is real. This is my belief! BUT I don't think I am better than any Christian, Jew, or Athiest, WE'RE ALL PEOPLE DAMNIT!

 

No, Suicide bombers aren't people.

 

I don't believe that all muslims are suicide bombers, or even bad, but I have yet to see any muslims that retaliate and speak out against suicide bombers.

[Hamza123]

No, Suicide bombers aren't people.

 

I don't believe that all muslims are suicide bombers, or even bad, but I have yet to see any muslims that retaliate and speak out against suicide bombers.

 

You're talking to one who does so right now...

 

Also...

 

Muslims in the USA Denounce Attacks

http://www.islamfortoday.com/60minutes.htm

 

Muslim leaders denounce terror attacks

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2005/s1524273.htm

 

Muslim scholars denounce bombers

http://www.hindu.com/2005/07/31/stories/2005073106281300.htm

 

Grand Mufti and Others Denounce London Bombings

http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0050709.htm

 

U.S. Muslim groups denounce London blasts

The three leading Muslim organizations in the United States strongly denounced the bloody attacks in London, expressing sympathy for the victims and rejecting the killing of innocent people in the name of Islam.

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9202

 

British Muslim leaders denounce bombings, face backlash

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_16_122/ai_n15674430

 

EVEN EXTREMISTS DO SO!!

 

British Muslim radicals denounce bombings

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121112018467_116521218

 

Islamic leaders denounce London terror attack

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1410070.htm

 

Canadian Muslim clerics denounce extremism

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121963505295_117372705/?hub=TopStories

 

Muslim Condemnations of 9/11

 

Muslim leaders speak out against violence and terrorism

In the aftermath of the violence and horror of 9/11, criticismswere made that Muslimleaders and organizations were notoutspoken enough indenouncing acts of terrorism.Muslims are constantly perplexed by this accusation, as we heard (and continue to hear)nothing but unequivocal and unified condemnations by theleaders of our community, both in the United States and worldwide.But for some reason, people are not listening.

 

For the record, the inhuman attacks of September 11 werecondemned in the strongest terms by virtually all Islamic leaders, organizations, and countries. TheGrandMufti of Saudi Arabia summarized that, "...hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts."

 

For more statements by Islamic leaders, see the following compilations:

 

Scholars of Islam and the Tragedy of September 11th - statements compiled by over 50 professors of Islamic Studies and Middle Eastern Studies from the U.S. and Canada, members of the American Academy of Religion in Atlanta, GA

 

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism in the Wake of the September 11 Mass Murders - compiled by Professor Charles Kurzman, University of North Carolina

 

Muslim American Groups Denounce Terrorist Attacks - from the U.S. Department of State, September 12, 2001

 

Kuala Lumpur Declaration on International Terrorism - unanimously adopted at the April 2002 conference of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers (held by the 56 member nations/states of the Organization of Islamic Conference)

 

 

Images of Grief from American Muslims and Foreign Muslims over 9/11

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranianwomenmothersqcandle.jpg

 

the picture above depicts

an Iranian mother and daughter,

lighting a candle in the memory of those

who have lost loved ones in

the tragedy of September 11th.

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Amybittar14yearmuslimaAP.jpg

 

This one is from the states after 9/11.

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/FLMuslimaAmericanflagicna.jpg

 

Again, muslim prayers and vigils after 9/11.

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/palestinianmourning.jpg

 

The picture above is a poignant image of two Palestinian women mourning the loss of life in the tragedies of September 11th.

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/palestinemomentsilence.jpg

 

Picture above.. In Iran, Tehran's main soccer stadium observed an unprecedented minute's silence in sympathy with the victims.

[Hamza123]

AND...

 

 

The Images below are from a peaceful candlelight vigil on the streets of Tehran, Iran. (September 18th, 2001) The pariticipants lit candles, mourned, and prayed to showed their grief over the loss of innocent life in the tragedies of Sept. 11th.

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil0918-03.jpg

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil3.jpg

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil0918-10.jpg

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil4.jpg

 

The following image is from a peaceful rally in the Muslim country of Bangladesh, who were showing this sympathy with Americans who have lost loved ones in this Tragedy

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Bangladeshpeacemarch.jpg

 

From morocco...

 

King condemns 'impostors' tarnishing image of Islam

Morocco, Religion, 10/16/2004

 

Morocco's King Mohammed has condemned the "groups of impostors, extremists and obscurants" who try to "tarnish the image of Islam by using different subterfuges."

 

In a message addressed to Islamic leaders to congratulate them on Ramadan, that started Friday in Morocco, the Moroccan monarch said "this is an occasion to recall the bonds uniting the Islamic nation (

[snafu]

AND...

 

 

The Images below are from a peaceful candlelight vigil on the streets of Tehran, Iran. (September 18th, 2001) The pariticipants lit candles, mourned, and prayed to showed their grief over the loss of innocent life in the tragedies of Sept. 11th.

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil0918-03.jpg

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil3.jpg

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil0918-10.jpg

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Iranvigil4.jpg

 

The following image is from a peaceful rally in the Muslim country of Bangladesh, who were showing this sympathy with Americans who have lost loved ones in this Tragedy

 

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/Bangladeshpeacemarch.jpg

 

From morocco...

 

King condemns 'impostors' tarnishing image of Islam

 

 

I am guessing atleast 95% of you have never heard any of these stories...

 

Yeah you posted some of them before. I guess some of us expect intervention along with the big words.

[jokersarewild]

I give up, Hamza, you win.

[Lethalfind]

There's something wrong with the age of 16?

 

Nothing wrong with it at all but if you have grown up being fed a certain line by your parents, you haven't had a chance to see how things are for yourself by the time your 16, that goes for alot of things, not just religion.

[Hamza123]

Lol, Jokers, it's not about winning, my only goal is to see that you understand where I am coming from. I don't ask to conform, or join Islam. I just seek an open mind.

[Mariama]

Two people here have condemned suicide bombing... you don't read at all...

Not that we should have to speak out...

[jokersarewild]

(This is the last time that I will dignify anything that Mariama says with a response.)

 

Islam has 1312864257.1168 followers (the .1168 are partial converts).

 

Mariama is trying to make her case by saying that 1.5233867394579152053427527382337e-9% of Muslims spoke out against suicide bombings.

 

Wow, I feel soooo safe now...

[eisanbt]

Yeah you posted some of them before. I guess some of us expect intervention along with the big words.

 

What exactly are they supposed to fight back with?

 

How exactly might they do so legally?

 

How is it wise to encourage a non-governmental group (A religious one at that) to militarize?

 

Have you thought this through?

 

:confused:

 

PS: JAW, her saying that 2 muslims here have denounced terrorism is but an example of the fact the millions do.

[Hamza123]

What exactly are they supposed to fight back with?

 

How exactly might they do so legally?

 

How is it wise to encourage a non-governmental group (A religious one at that) to militarize?

 

Have you thought this through?

 

:confused:

 

PS: JAW, her saying that 2 muslims here have denounced terrorism is but an example of the fact the millions do.

 

Eisanbt, once again, is pointing out the obvious!! Why? Because he's being open-minded, rational, and REALISTIC!!

 

Those of you who bestow hate on all Muslim, don't you understand that it's easier to be rational and open minded than to shun something you don't know about!!

 

(This is the last time that I will dignify anything that Mariama says with a response.)

 

Islam has 1312864257.1168 followers (the .1168 are partial converts).

 

Mariama is trying to make her case by saying that 1.5233867394579152053427527382337e-9% of Muslims spoke out against suicide bombings.

 

Wow, I feel soooo safe now...

 

Joker, my friend, have you not read these posts?

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=810025&postcount=59

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=810026&postcount=60

[Hamza123]

Yeah you posted some of them before. I guess some of us expect intervention along with the big words.

\

 

Nope, my first time posting these!! And these articles EXPLAING the intervention with words, for without the intervention, these words would be of no use to me.

 

I could post them thousands more times, they'll all be the same! The fact is, they're all I need to show you that the majority of Muslims don't like terrorism!!

[jokersarewild]

Joker, my friend, have you not read these posts?

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=810025&postcount=59

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=810026&postcount=60

 

I read them Hamza. My problem is that Mariama makes no reference to that...she seems like she has gone off on her own little argument.

 

She says that 2 people denounce it on here...you said WAY more than that do...notice how I don't give you very, very small percentages?

 

Mariama has yet to prove her point. You and eisanbt have. I don't have a bone to pick with you...mine is with Mariama and her lack of actual facts.

[Hamza123]

I read them Hamza. My problem is that Mariama makes no reference to that...she seems like she has gone off on her own little argument.

 

She says that 2 people denounce it on here...you said WAY more than that do...notice how I don't give you very, very small percentages?

 

Mariama has yet to prove her point. You and eisanbt have. I don't have a bone to pick with you...mine is with Mariama and her lack of actual facts.

 

I understand!! Thanks for understanding.

 

Mariama, I see that you're main point is similar if not is mine, however, a point means nothing. You need to approach people with the utmost respect, no matter how they treat you. That makes you #1) The better person, and it also gives you a feeling of security. You also shouldn't involve curses or disrespect in the name of religion. For example, if someone ticks you off, don't say May Allah Curse You, simply leave it alone, and approach it in a debate style. Of course, it is a religious debate, so when you're trying to prove a point, using verses form a scripture is appropriate when it's right. Not only does doing these things earn you respect, but you may even get some rep. People will ridicule you, you just have to learn to deal with it, even though it's totally unfair, even recently, SNAFU, said or made some kind of claim of me trying to convert people on here... And it's okay really, because I know Snafu isn't naturally like that. People get defensive, and I understand. Well, I think of it like this, have I ever asked anyone to convert? No! When I see a deceptive claim about my beliefs I feel a need to defend them, not go on the offensive. What bothers me most is that a lot of people on here want us to exterminate terrorism, yes us Muslims, however they keep picking at an already open wound of ridicule. But I don't like to hold a grudge!! Why? Because it's better in the long term, theres no sense in doing so, it just makes you look bad, and if you're a good Muslim you're going against a lot of your primary beliefs.

 

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, honestly. From all my time on GF, when compared to others is a really small amount of time, I have learned things. I didn't really know how to properly debate coming in, but I can say I picked up a few things, and this will help you. Again, I am not any pro-debator, it's just a few things I have noticed in a debate.

[snafu]

Hamza I hate to give you flowers but you are going to grow up to be an upstanding citizen. I give you a lot of shit but that’s what this board is about.

The reason I said I thought you were trying to convert people is the way you post whole quotes of the Koran. I don’t care what the wording is. Like the bible, it's up for interpretation. It’s annoying to see that and have to put my perspective in. But that’s just me. And this is "what pisses you off", so don’t change on my account.

We can agree to disagree. Just don’t try to behead me if we ever meet face to face. And I won’t try to lynch you.

[eisanbt]

Just don’t try to behead me if we ever meet face to face. And I won’t try to lynch you.

 

 

Such a beautiful sentiment, I hope this becomes the common exchange between opponents accross the globe.

[Mariama]

huh? What haven't I made a reference to exactly?

[hugo]

huh? What haven't I made a reference to exactly?

 

Banana cream pie