Does the Koran teach this to kids?

[hugo]

Oh also I believe I can explain why immigrants do better then lets say poor blacks. Basically the way immigration is set up that the only immigrants who really get it are highly educated, urbanized, and some times already wealthy immigrants. Also as a group first enters a country they form a self reliant niche with one another e.g. chinese restaurant / dry cleaners, as they move up socio-economic status they move on to real estate etc... With going to business with one another they help each other out, the black community is far too large to use this type of method. Look at the way things were set up as well, a culture of slavery (and obviously impoverished), versus highly educated tightly nit group of immigrants. It's all very interesting I suggest you take a sociology course or 2.

 

That is because the immigrants family structure was not destroyed by big government. 200 years of government enforced slavery, followed by 100 years of government enforced Jim Crow, and now we are nearing 50 years of subsidizing out of wedlock births. The stupid liberal never learns that discrimination must be enforced by government. The capitalist only sees green.

 

I suggest you take an economics course or two.

[RoyalOrleans]

That is because the immigrants family structure was not destroyed by big government. 200 years of government enforced slavery, followed by 100 years of government enforced Jim Crow, and now we are nearing 50 years of subsidizing out of wedlock births. The stupid liberal never learns that discrimination must be enforced by government. The capitalist only sees green.

 

I suggest you take an economics course or two.

 

Hugo, you are my new idol. Next to Neal Boortz of course.

[Hamza123]

Hugo, are white people opressed just because most serial killers are stereotyped to be a white male? I wouldn't say so. White people haven't declared a war on terro... I mean a war on serial killers.

 

Those "terrorists" you see on TV don't pick up an AK-47 and choose to fight soldiers for religious reasons.... Their home is being occupied, and they fight for their community and families. Hugo, if America was invaded by Mexico and Mexico had a very strong Military, would you fight for your country? your family? or George Bush? Now you see, if you choose to fight, like the "terrorists" do, they're not fighting for Saddam, Al Qaeda, or Islam... They're fighting for their families, because they believe that their homes are being invaded, and their country is being occupied and terrorized. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

 

My dads friend who isn't even Arab, is not a Muslim, infact he is Buhdist, drove me and my friend to Maine, and yes, like Joe had stated, we were stopped for a "random check"... We have wen't for the past 8 summers, and for the last 5, the same "random check" has happened.... What surprises me is one of the dick-head officers, one summer, thought fishing wire and booster cables was C4 and he pulled his M4A1 on us...

 

And whats bad is that these checks usually take 3-5 hours.

 

Now we're thinking of just staying within Canada, which is a shame, considering I actually liked Maine.

[hugo]

Hugo, are white people opressed just because most serial killers are stereotyped to be a white male? I wouldn't say so. White people haven't declared a war on terro... I mean a war on serial killers.

 

Those "terrorists" you see on TV don't pick up an AK-47 and choose to fight soldiers for religious reasons.... Their home is being occupied, and they fight for their community and families. Hugo, if America was invaded by Mexico and Mexico had a very strong Military, would you fight for your country? your family? or George Bush? Now you see, if you choose to fight, like the "terrorists" do, they're not fighting for Saddam, Al Qaeda, or Islam... They're fighting for their families, because they believe that their homes are being invaded, and their country is being occupied and terrorized. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

 

My dads friend who isn't even Arab, is not a Muslim, infact he is Buhdist, drove me and my friend to Maine, and yes, like Joe had stated, we were stopped for a "random check"... We have wen't for the past 8 summers, and for the last 5, the same "random check" has happened.... What surprises me is one of the dick-head officers, one summer, thought fishing wire and booster cables was C4 and he pulled his M4A1 on us...

 

And whats bad is that these checks usually take 3-5 hours.

 

Now we're thinking of just staying within Canada, which is a shame, considering I actually liked Maine.

 

Don't cry me a river about you being oppressed because racial profiling occurs. If I am on an airplane and they search some 85 year old woman while ignoring 25 year old Arab passengers, in the name of political correctness, I am going to laugh out loud.

 

If we have a war with Mexico I would expect to be occassionaly inconveinanced if I lived in, or was visiting, Mexico. It would be a legitimate defensive act by Mexican authorities.

 

Even you prefer to call these terrorists freedom fighters. Do you really think the 9/11 hijackers were freedom fighters? If that sentiment is common in the Arab-American community there is a damn good reason to racially profile.

[Hamza123]

Don't cry me a river about you being oppressed because racial profiling occurs. If I am on an airplane and they search some 85 year old woman while ignoring 25 year old Arab passengers, in the name of political correctness, I am going to laugh out loud.

 

If we have a war with Mexico I would expect to be occassionaly inconveinanced if I lived in, or was visiting, Mexico. It would be a legitimate defensive act by Mexican authorities.

 

Even you prefer to call these terrorists freedom fighters. Do you really think the 9/11 hijackers were freedom fighters? If that sentiment is common in the Arab-American community there is a damn good reason to racially profile.

 

You're jumping to conclusions, I simply stated something for you to think about... And we're not just being opressed racially, we're being killed senslessly. I consider the value of my life the same as those innocent Iraqi civilians.

 

The terrorists on 9/11 weren't Iraqi, so don't try that shit. The freedom fighters may not be yours. How do you even know the 9/11 attacks were caused by Arabs?

 

And that "sentiment", in the Arab-Community, is against the 9/11 attacks, but also against the Iraq War, however the lot of us are still racially profiled. Timmy McVeigh was white, and they blamed the Oklohoma attacks that he commited, on Arabs. Thats the kind of shit I am talking about.

 

Answer my question, if America was attacked, would you fight for Bush? Or the more abstract things in life, and those things that mean most to you.

[hugo]

You are avoiding the subject. It matters not why Arabs are attacking America, in the short term. The fact is some are. Only lunatics and Arabs are not convinced 9/11 was an attack initiated by Islamic fanatics of Arab descent. In the long term we should make significant foreign policy changes. In the short run we need to defend ourselves from terrorist attacks and racial profiling is a good tool. I really could care less if Canadians get stopped at our border.

[snafu]

You're jumping to conclusions, I simply stated something for you to think about... And we're not just being opressed racially, we're being killed senslessly. I consider the value of my life the same as those innocent Iraqi civilians.

 

The terrorists on 9/11 weren't Iraqi, so don't try that shit. The freedom fighters may not be yours. How do you even know the 9/11 attacks were caused by Arabs?

 

And that "sentiment", in the Arab-Community, is against the 9/11 attacks, but also against the Iraq War, however the lot of us are still racially profiled. Timmy McVeigh was white, and they blamed the Oklohoma attacks that he commited, on Arabs. Thats the kind of shit I am talking about.

 

Answer my question, if America was attacked, would you fight for Bush? Or the more abstract things in life, and those things that mean most to you.

 

 

Hamza were not fighting Iraqis. Were fighting insurgents and terrorist killing Iraqis. It just happens that insurgents and terrorist of this day and age are Islamic.

[Joe87]

That is because the immigrants family structure was not destroyed by big government. 200 years of government enforced slavery, followed by 100 years of government enforced Jim Crow, and now we are nearing 50 years of subsidizing out of wedlock births. The stupid liberal never learns that discrimination must be enforced by government. The capitalist only sees green.

 

I suggest you take an economics course or two.

 

Oh please first of all, the family structure was destroyed by big government, you realize that for the first 30 years or so of immigration it was highly unlikely the entire family could immigrate, usually only the man, saves money sends some home, saves up to sponsor and reunite his family, which is still relatively common today.

 

If you are suggesting welfare encourages single mothers, thats a joke, very few choose to be single mothers. A lot of welfare recipiants are also white trailor trash (majority actually), who keeps up a "family structure", explain that rationale, that the family is the be all end all of the economy when clearly the market doesn't reflect as much. E.g. daycare workers, teachers, support for families are a joke and prioities seem to be on entertainment and sports.

 

I would also like to point out that it is highly common among conservatives to attack the poor little guy. Like welfare is really anything to live on, you can barely get by, never mind raising a family, what if you have a disability. And if you read original post that lead us to argue social system, I would like to point out direct fincial assistance is last resort, we should help them find a job first and foremost.

 

What I can't understand is why the attacks on the poor when Exxon is being subsidized millions when they can easily afford the taxes, and clearing billions in profits. Why should highly profitible business get the breaks, and this is not the only case, so many incidences where we just ignore billions that directly effect the economy and cost to society is extremely high, but heaven forbid a disabled person gets 100 a week. Perhaps because these white collar crimes are committed by the well to do with political power, even when their crimes hurt society much more greatly they are granted a slap on the wrist, and assistance...

[hugo]

Joe,you're trying to change the subject. The fact the government wastes money in one area does not excuse wasting money in another area. Nothing propagates poverty and crime like our welfare system. Before welfare 25% of blacks were born out of wedlock. Now 69% are. This is the primary cause for the high crime and poverty rate among black Americans. A simple economic law: you subsidize something you get more of it. Single mothers should not be subsidized.

 

There are a few legitimate disabilities that prevent someone from holding a job...very few. If someone is blind, or crippled, private charity can take care of them much more efficiently.

 

There is a reason we used to call illegitimate children bastards and why that word is now considered the equivalent of a curse word.

 

Thomas Sowell says it best:

 

With nations, as with individuals, dependency is not the royal road to prosperity. What “we” can do for “them” is usually a lot less than what they can do for themselves. Playing Lady Bountiful with the taxpayers’ money may allow some people to feel good, and it certainly allows those who administer vast sums of money to become important and impose their ideas on the recipients. But that is very different from saying that this is the policy that produces the best long-run results.

[Hamza123]

Hamza were not fighting Iraqis. Were fighting insurgents and terrorist killing Iraqis. It just happens that insurgents and terrorist of this day and age are Islamic.

 

With this USA being the strongest force for good in the world. Okay, I do believe that, but I do not believe Bush is carrying this war on terror correctly. Look at whats going on in Palestine. If you wan't to fight terror? Why are you supporting the Israel Zionists who came to Palestine and fought a war over it...

[snafu]

With this USA being the strongest force for good in the world. Okay, I do believe that, but I do not believe Bush is carrying this war on terror correctly. Look at whats going on in Palestine. If you wan'twan't to fight terror? Why are you supporting the Israel Zionists who came to Palestine and fought a war over it...

 

Bush has been trying to get the Palestinians and Israelis together for some time. Which group of Palestinians should we honor? They can't even quit fighting amongst themselves let alone start the peace processes. Then they can't be satisfied with part of Palestine.

[Joe87]

Joe,you're trying to change the subject. The fact the government wastes money in one area does not excuse wasting money in another area. Nothing propagates poverty and crime like our welfare system. Before welfare 25% of blacks were born out of wedlock. Now 69% are. This is the primary cause for the high crime and poverty rate among black Americans. A simple economic law: you subsidize something you get more of it. Single mothers should not be subsidized.

 

There are a few legitimate disabilities that prevent someone from holding a job...very few. If someone is blind, or crippled, private charity can take care of them much more efficiently.

 

There is a reason we used to call illegitimate children bastards and why that word is now considered the equivalent of a curse word.

 

Thomas Sowell says it best:

 

Divorce rate over 50% (in America), culture changing the nuclear family is now the minority of households. I don't think any one aims to be a single mother, and like I said the social system must first explore options with job training, job placement, livible minimum wage, and then finally welfare. I realy think the way sexuality is taught is just bad. You need to teach contraception better, safe sex rather then abstinece because it aint happening. Really need to look at the swedish system because it works, they have lowest teen birth rate, HIV rate, poverty rate, and have one of the most generous and extensive social net systems in the world.

 

I don't believe making the society a fend for your self society does any good, as history has taught us. Thats the way 3rd world countries are. And the HUGE waste of money we are talking billions on corporations is constantly overlooked. What would you have us do, let the children starve to death. Lets face it for a rich western society you rate extremely low on all measures of a good society, so why sink deeper and take away the social net you already have.

[hugo]

Divorce rate over 50% (in America), culture changing the nuclear family is now the minority of households. I don't think any one aims to be a single mother, and like I said the social system must first explore options with job training, job placement, livible minimum wage, and then finally welfare. I realy think the way sexuality is taught is just bad. You need to teach contraception better, safe sex rather then abstinece because it aint happening. Really need to look at the swedish system because it works, they have lowest teen birth rate, HIV rate, poverty rate, and have one of the most generous and extensive social net systems in the world.

 

I don't believe making the society a fend for your self society does any good, as history has taught us. Thats the way 3rd world countries are. And the HUGE waste of money we are talking billions on corporations is constantly overlooked. What would you have us do, let the children starve to death. Lets face it for a rich western society you rate extremely low on all measures of a good society, so why sink deeper and take away the social net you already have.

 

Please, live in the real world. Sadly, we do have problems that come with a diversified population. Whining minorities who blame discrimination for all their problems, thus leading to sloth, crime and poverty, being a prime example. There were not children starving to death in America in the 30's when there was a depression (thanks to poor monetary policy) and hardly any safety net.

 

Corporations provide jobs. Jobs provide money to spend on food. If money has to be given away it is better to give it to a corporation than a welfare slut. There is a reason there are still some people who refuse charity. Dependence on charity destroys an individual. Institutionalized charity destroys societies.

 

America is the world's economic superpower because we are less socialist than our western rivals. We protect private property rights thus increasing investments and increasing the size of the pie.

 

PPP United States (2005) $42,000

PPP Sweden (2005) $29,800

 

If you're lazy move to Europe. If you don't mind hard work the US is the place to be.

 

It's fucking funny when I was 14 I knew to use a condom, so did everyone else. The government did not have to spend a single dollar to teach us that and there was no AIDS back then.

 

Lets face it for a rich western society you rate extremely low on all measures of a good society

 

We are pretty close to first when it comes to not allowing institutionalized theft.

[snafu]

Joe I don’t think anybody aims to be a single mother either. And that’s what our cutlers has brought on. So you say throw money at it to fix it. You don’t see the problem here?

There has to be a balance of what government dose for us. They protect our rights. You don’t throw more wood into a fire to put in out.

 

And I agree with hugo.

Like the old ironic question. “Have you ever got a job from a poor person?

 

Bye the way. Are they teaching this to the kids too? (Re: Does the Koran teach this to kids?)

[Joe87]

Joe I don

[snafu]

I didn

[TerroristHater]

Bush has been trying to get the Palestinians and Israelis together for some time. Which group of Palestinians should we honor? They can't even quit fighting amongst themselves let alone start the peace processes. Then they can't be satisfied with part of Palestine.

 

Yeah, and we all know it. That is why all aid from the USA and Brittan has been cut off. We all know Hamas will take money that should be used for food and use it to buy RPGs and other such nonsense.

 

Hopefully, they will get their act together.

 

[hugo]

Liberals always try to attack corporations. What they always ignore is the fact corporations are a creation of the big government they love. There is nothing preventing individuals from pooling their assets and forming a socialist organization in a libertarian society. Sadly, us libertarians will not be left alone in a socialist society.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Just curious. Is this what the koran teaches children?

 

 

5/7/2002 Clip No. 924

 

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[Hamza123]

AIG!!

 

Salam Ou Alaykoum!

 

Been awhile! How ya been?

[Mariama]

oh that old thing huh? jews and Muslims...

[jokersarewild]

Hamza can I ask why you will not say Assalamu Alaikum to me???

 

Because you stand for everything he's against, specifically killing in the name of religion.

[builder]

OK, Buildy,I would never expect such a question from you. But since you asked so nicely. The answer is simple, NO! The Qur'an does not teach us or kids to hate the jews. Most of the hate that muslims harbour toward the jews are solely based on their occupation of palastine. Funny how no-one ever asks why jews hate muslims and why they oppress them. The truth is that most people on this site are bias. If you're gonna be against oppression, then be against it in all circumstance, even when it is your people who are afflicting it on others.

 

The Qur'an: ''Not all of them are alike; a party of the Scripture(Jews & Christians) stand for the right, they recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer, They believe in Allah and the Last Day; the enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (Monotheism) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief); and they hasten in good works; and they are among the righteous, And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knows well those who are Al-Muttaqun(the pious)'' 3:113-115

 

And as for them being apes/pigs,um, i haven't yet seen any of them beating their chests and rolling around in mud. you tell me?

 

If you read the whole thread, Sweetheart, you'll realise that I was laying a bait for islam haters. A set-up, if you will. Good to see you on the board again, BTW. How's your studies shaping up?

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

AIG!!

 

Salam Ou Alaykoum!

 

Been awhile! How ya been?

 

Wa alaykum salaam brother. Alhamdulillah i'm doing well. They're still at it huh?

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

If you read the whole thread, Sweetheart, you'll realise that I was laying a bait for islam haters. A set-up, if you will. Good to see you on the board again, BTW. How's your studies shaping up?

 

Studies are going well. Look at you, MOD! WELL IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!