Battered Wife Syndrome or license to kill

[Lethalfind]

Battered woman defence

 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

 

 

"The battered woman defence is a formal term of art forming the basis of a legal defence representing that the person accused of an assault or murder was suffering from battered person syndrome at the material time. Because the defence is almost invariably invoked by women, it is usually characterised in court as battered woman syndrome or battered wife syndrome. Although the medical condition is not gender specific, the law has been persuaded to remedy perceived gender bias in the operation of the defence of self-defence by admitting evidence of the medical condition. Thus, this is a reference to any person who, because of constant and severe domestic violence usually involving physical abuse by a partner, becomes depressed and unable to take any independent action that would allow him or her to escape the abuse. The condition explains why abused people often do not seek assistance from others, fight their abuser, or leave the abusive situation. Sufferers have low self-esteem, and often believe that the abuse is their fault. Such persons usually refuse to press charges against their abuser, and refuse all offers of help, often becoming aggressive or abusive to others who attempt to offer assistance. This has been problematic because there is no consensus in the medical profession that such abuse results in a mental conditions severe enough to excuse alleged offenders. Nevertheless, the law makes reference to a psychological condition (as ICD9 code 995.81 Battered person syndrome NEC [1] or otherwise included within DSM-IV as a sub-category of post-traumatic stress disorder), even though neither medical classification as currently drafted, includes the syndrome in the sense used by lawyers."

 

So let me get this straight, a woman can kill her husband at a time when he is no particular threat to her, there is no burden on her to remove herself from the situation AND she gets a pass on killing him? I have seen cases where women that have been abused, have then turned and shot their husband while he slept, at a time when they had a chance to get out of the house AND they got off with this defense. What a load of bullshit. This is just buying into the theory that women are weaker minded then men. I don't imagine a man would hang around for that kind of abuse. Giving women this kind of 'out' just encourages the idea that women are weaker minded. If anyone needs this kind of 'out' it's children. However last time I checked this defense was not accepted in the case of battered children who then killed their parent or adult who was abusing them. NICE.

 

I used to work with a woman who had killed her husband while he slept. He had brutally and repeatedly beaten her. She was sent to prison here in Florida. She was later given a pardon because it was determined that she had "battered wife sydrome". Of course as soon as she got out, she hooked up with another man who laid around on his ass, let her support him AND beat her. Lesson learned right???

 

I totally understand if someone is attacking you (anyone) that you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself, whether you be male or female but what kind of threat is a sleeping man?? This law opens the door for incredible abuse on the part of women who LOVE attention, who LOVE people to feel sorry for them and who want to be rid of the ball and chain without all the fuss and muss. Honestly, getting a divorce is so passe', no one cares because it happens to so many people but HEY life sucks so bad for you that you had to kill him in his sleep because he would have pursued you to the ends of the earth...yea right.

[Gallytuck]

Hey, if domestic abuse can be proven, specifically with testimony from friends and family or neighbors, whatever, then all I have to say is I don't have much use for wife-beaters. I don't see it as being such a far leap from smacking a woman around to smacking a kid around.

[Lethalfind]

Hey, if domestic abuse can be proven, specifically with testimony from friends and family or neighbors, whatever, then all I have to say is I don't have much use for wife-beaters. I don't see it as being such a far leap from smacking a woman around to smacking a kid around.

 

Absolutely, I agree, HOWEVER does that battered woman have the right to kill a man in his sleep or some other situation when she is not in immediate danter?? Rather then flee to safety?

 

These women are often given a walk on crimes like this. At the very least they should have to claim "not guilty for reason of insanity" and be locked up in a psych facility.

[Gallytuck]

Absolutely, I agree, HOWEVER does that battered woman have the right to kill a man in his sleep or some other situation when she is not in immediate danter?? Rather then flee to safety?

 

These women are often given a walk on crimes like this. At the very least they should have to claim "not guilty for reason of insanity" and be locked up in a psych facility.

 

Oh, I definitely agree. If the abuse was such a traumatic experience then I feel they should have some sort of mandatory rehabilitation program to help get the individual back on their feet at least emotionally and mentally. I also feel that maybe some sort of community service, maybe something like volunteering to help others get out of those situations, would be fair.

[manicmonday]

Obviously you have no real experience with an abused woman. "Working with a woman" and judging from the outside isn't experience.

 

While I never shot my husband, I can see why women do. Because when she leaves, he keeps coming back. And back. And back. There is not an end. Obsession and possession are the only two words a man knows who is like this. And it doesn't happen on the first date. Or the second. Or even the first fight. It happens over months and years of time. This is how I can tell someone doesn't have real experience, either themselves or a close friend, because usually the first statement is "Why didn't you just leave."

 

I know why a woman would shot her husband. Being put in a pysch ward isn't going to cure it. Maybe a free pass isn't the answer, but there are just things as probation and mandatory counseling. That would be a better option. But to judge the woman for not leaving when she had a chance when in all reality she's probabley left more than once and he keeps dragging her back, just shows ignorance to a complex situation.

[Lethalfind]

Oh, I definitely agree. If the abuse was such a traumatic experience then I feel they should have some sort of mandatory rehabilitation program to help get the individual back on their feet at least emotionally and mentally. I also feel that maybe some sort of community service, maybe something like volunteering to help others get out of those situations, would be fair.

 

Unfortunately no one has gotten that far. They just set these women loose with no record against them. If a woman has been so beaten and abused that she doesn't leave when there is a chance and kills someone who is no immediate threat to her, she needs some serious psychiatric help or she is likely to continue to be a problem.

[Gallytuck]

Obviously you have no real experience with an abused woman. "Working with a woman" and judging from the outside isn't experience.

 

While I never shot my husband, I can see why women do. Because when she leaves, he keeps coming back. And back. And back. There is not an end. Obsession and possession are the only two words a man knows who is like this. And it doesn't happen on the first date. Or the second. Or even the first fight. It happens over months and years of time. This is how I can tell someone doesn't have real experience, either themselves or a close friend, because usually the first statement is "Why didn't you just leave."

 

I know why a woman would shot her husband. Being put in a pysch ward isn't going to cure it. Maybe a free pass isn't the answer, but there are just things as probation and mandatory counseling. That would be a better option. But to judge the woman for not leaving when she had a chance when in all reality she's probabley left more than once and he keeps dragging her back, just shows ignorance to a complex situation.

 

I'm not sure who that's directed at.

[manicmonday]

I'm not sure who that's directed at.

 

 

 

Well just pretend it is directed at you.

[Lethalfind]

Obviously you have no real experience with an abused woman. "Working with a woman" and judging from the outside isn't experience.

 

While I never shot my husband, I can see why women do. Because when she leaves, he keeps coming back. And back. And back. There is not an end. Obsession and possession are the only two words a man knows who is like this. And it doesn't happen on the first date. Or the second. Or even the first fight. It happens over months and years of time. This is how I can tell someone doesn't have real experience, either themselves or a close friend, because usually the first statement is "Why didn't you just leave."

 

I know why a woman would shot her husband. Being put in a pysch ward isn't going to cure it. Maybe a free pass isn't the answer, but there are just things as probation and mandatory counseling. That would be a better option. But to judge the woman for not leaving when she had a chance when in all reality she's probabley left more than once and he keeps dragging her back, just shows ignorance to a complex situation.

 

All I'm saying is that a free pass isn't the answer and I have never pretended to have 'treated' someone with this history. I actually worked with two women and they told me their stories...after hearing what they had to say I made a point of reading up on it and found this policy of giving women a walk in these cases rather astounding.

 

These women need treatment or they will not get over what drove them to kill a man who is not an immediate threat...A woman who does not leave an abusive situation needs help and she is not getting with the law the way it is now.

[manicmonday]

I agree that women need counseling once out of the relationship. But here is the paragraph from your first post that tells me a person can "read" up on this all they want, but they will never understand.

 

 

 

 

 

I totally understand if someone is attacking you (anyone) that you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself, whether you be male or female but what kind of threat is a sleeping man?? This law opens the door for incredible abuse on the part of women who LOVE attention, who LOVE people to feel sorry for them and who want to be rid of the ball and chain without all the fuss and muss. Honestly, getting a divorce is so passe', no one cares because it happens to so many people but HEY life sucks so bad for you that you had to kill him in his sleep because he would have pursued you to the ends of the earth...yea right.

While I think it's great that most people will never experience fear of a love one, but here's the deal. Every moment is like walking on egg shells. Even sex. Even while they are sleeping. Because if they are woke up in a wrong fashion, all hell can break loose. Sure leaving before it gets to this point is optimal, but usually a woman has and he's brought her back. And she hasn't gone back with the promise of love, she is afraid for her life, her childrens life, other family members. By the time a woman has gotten to the point of killing him in his sleep, then yes that is the only time she can breath without asking him if she's doing it right. And these kind of women don't LOVE attention, love people to feel sorry for them. In all reality, most people in their lives will never know what happened behind closed doors. Divorce isn't always an option not because it's a big deal, but because the men don't leave them alone. I've been pursued to the ends of the earth and it's not about love. It's about the man having an obsession of loosing something he wants. That's it. You can choose to not believe that, you can choose to close your eyes to it, but it's still the truth.

 

Because you think 99% of these women just want the attention, that is what proves you have no clue about this. Read up on it all you want, it's not going to give you the education to help someone in your life that might be in this situation.

[snafu]

I have mixed feelings on this one. No one should be able to kill anyone unless they are in direct danger. If she can't get away or if she dose and he stalks her, she has every right to cap his ass. The cops usually aren't around to protect her. Now if she can get away and start a new life with out repercussions from him then that would be murder, even though the asshole probably deserved it. There's a fine line here and it would be case by case. You can have women use this as an excuse to take out their unwanted husband.

[Gallytuck]

There's a fine line here and it would be case by case. You can have women use this as an excuse to take out their unwanted husband.

 

Fair enough.

[hugo]

I think no nuts Howard should be given up to 90 days to kill his wife.

[TerroristHater]

Hey, if domestic abuse can be proven, specifically with testimony from friends and family or neighbors, whatever, then all I have to say is I don't have much use for wife-beaters. I don't see it as being such a far leap from smacking a woman around to smacking a kid around.

 

That would probably be because there isn't a leap at all. In most cases, those people who beat thier wives are likely to beat thier children as well.

 

It's a sad, but true fact of nature.

 

[hugo]

I believe in colonial times you could not beat your wife with a stick any thicker than your thumb. Seems like a good rule of thumb to follow.

[snafu]

While I think it's great that most people will never experience fear of a love one, but here's the deal.

 

Most attacks, rapes, murders and abuse is from someone the victim knows and trusts.

[Lethalfind]

I agree that women need counseling once out of the relationship. But here is the paragraph from your first post that tells me a person can "read" up on this all they want, but they will never understand.

 

 

 

 

 

While I think it's great that most people will never experience fear of a love one, but here's the deal. Every moment is like walking on egg shells. Even sex. Even while they are sleeping. Because if they are woke up in a wrong fashion, all hell can break loose. Sure leaving before it gets to this point is optimal, but usually a woman has and he's brought her back. And she hasn't gone back with the promise of love, she is afraid for her life, her childrens life, other family members. By the time a woman has gotten to the point of killing him in his sleep, then yes that is the only time she can breath without asking him if she's doing it right. And these kind of women don't LOVE attention, love people to feel sorry for them. In all reality, most people in their lives will never know what happened behind closed doors. Divorce isn't always an option not because it's a big deal, but because the men don't leave them alone. I've been pursued to the ends of the earth and it's not about love. It's about the man having an obsession of loosing something he wants. That's it. You can choose to not believe that, you can choose to close your eyes to it, but it's still the truth.

 

Because you think 99% of these women just want the attention, that is what proves you have no clue about this. Read up on it all you want, it's not going to give you the education to help someone in your life that might be in this situation.

 

If you by 'Understand' you mean feel the same way a woman does who has actually been through it then no, of course not. I can safely say that is not true however I stick by my original statement. Women who are in this mental condition should not get a free walk after killing someone when they are not in imminent danger. Clearly their ability to tell the difference between imminent danger has been affected by their abuse. They need treatment, court ordered treatment to address this and I'm sorry they should have a record to show for this.

 

I am assuming from what your saying that you went through something like this and I'm sure it was more horrible then someone like me could understand, however the choice to get with and stay with someone who is abusive was yours and no one elses. That poor judgement on your part shouldn't give someone in that position the license to shoot someone when they are not in imminent danger.

 

I went with a guy one time who seemed wonderful at first, he started down the road to becoming abusive. He started first with trying to control everthing I did, he then went on to trying to physically intimdate me...I kicked him out then and there. End of story. Women who are battered to this degree stay with someone even after things like this, they allow these men to abuse their children as well sometimes. There should be more responsibility put on the woman.

 

If indeed a woman can't see something like this AND they stay AND they allow their children to be abused AND they see a sleeping man (for instance) as being an imminent danger then they are mentally unwell...in my opinion.

 

This idea that women want to be equal is bullshit, they don't really want equality because if they ever got it, this kind of dispensation to kill would not be allowed. Would anyone accept this kind of defense from a man?? Its been tried and failed. Women want equality only when its for something that will help them, not hurt them.

[manicmonday]

Once again your ignorance shows thru. By understand, I mean have any empathy, knowledge or otherwise a clue about how a person thinks, feels or reacts in certain situations. If your thinking of being a nurse and especially a pysch nurse, I would bone up on that. Of course I don't think you'll make it past the pysch evaluation so no worries about that.

 

 

If you by 'Understand' you mean feel the same way a woman does who has actually been through it then no, of course not. I can safely say that is not true however I stick by my original statement. Women who are in this mental condition should not get a free walk after killing someone when they are not in imminent danger. Clearly their ability to tell the difference between imminent danger has been affected by their abuse. They need treatment, court ordered treatment to address this and I'm sorry they should have a record to show for this.

 

I am assuming from what your saying that you went through something like this and I'm sure it was more horrible then someone like me could understand, however the choice to get with and stay with someone who is abusive was yours and no one elses. That poor judgement on your part shouldn't give someone in that position the license to shoot someone when they are not in imminent danger.

 

 

You know this is the #1 thing people say to a person who has escaped this situation. And I'm not excluding men from this, because there are several men I know who have left this kind of situation. Poor judgement? You have no clue. I eventually left, but not without consequences and not without a struggle. I've been divorced 3 years now and he still calls and emails. No matter how often I change my email and number. He still finds me. So obviously you have no clue and don't want to about imminent danger. Even though he hasn't hit me in 3 years, if he were to show up on my doorstep today, you can bet I'd shoot him. Because he wouldn't be showing up for coffee.

 

I went with a guy one time who seemed wonderful at first, he started down the road to becoming abusive. He started first with trying to control everthing I did, he then went on to trying to physically intimdate me...I kicked him out then and there. End of story. Women who are battered to this degree stay with someone even after things like this, they allow these men to abuse their children as well sometimes. There should be more responsibility put on the woman.

 

 

Again your "experience" doesn't hold water with me. The situation where a women feels like she is in danger every minute she breathes doesn't start in dating. Sure there are certain signs to look for, but it NEVER happens on the first date, the second date or even after the first fuck.

 

If indeed a woman can't see something like this AND they stay AND they allow their children to be abused AND they see a sleeping man (for instance) as being an imminent danger then they are mentally unwell...in my opinion.

 

Your opinion come from Wikipedia and I think you know how I hold them in esteem.

 

This idea that women want to be equal is bullshit, they don't really want equality because if they ever got it, this kind of dispensation to kill would not be allowed. Would anyone accept this kind of defense from a man?? Its been tried and failed. Women want equality only when its for something that will help them, not hurt them.

 

 

And once again, since you know nothing about a situation, you bring something up irrelovent into the topic to disquise your ignorance. Equal rights? How does that have anything to do with this? Nothing. I don't believe women are weaklings, but in some situations they are the weaker party, that's fact. My ex was 6' 4" and trained to kill. Either with guns or his hands, he had the upper hand. So show the equality in that? It isn't there.

 

I think I would read a book, take some pych classes, volunteer at a women's shelter(where they also serve men in a smaller capacity), and then try to bring an intelligent statement to the debate. Because so far, your Wikipidia education is showing thru loud and clear.

[jokersarewild]

Can somebody give MM some rep for me?

[Lethalfind]

Once again your ignorance shows thru. By understand, I mean have any empathy, knowledge or otherwise a clue about how a person thinks, feels or reacts in certain situations. If your thinking of being a nurse and especially a pysch nurse, I would bone up on that. Of course I don't think you'll make it past the pysch evaluation so no worries about that.

 

 

 

 

 

And once again, since you know nothing about a situation, you bring something up irrelovent into the topic to disquise your ignorance. Equal rights? How does that have anything to do with this? Nothing. I don't believe women are weaklings, but in some situations they are the weaker party, that's fact. My ex was 6' 4" and trained to kill. Either with guns or his hands, he had the upper hand. So show the equality in that? It isn't there.

 

I think I would read a book, take some pych classes, volunteer at a women's shelter(where they also serve men in a smaller capacity), and then try to bring an intelligent statement to the debate. Because so far, your Wikipidia education is showing thru loud and clear.

 

LOL, its not my ignorance showing, look up the definition of battered wife syndrome, its pretty basic.

 

I have no sympathy for a person who stands in traffic and then gets upset that they were run over...Neither do I have sorrow for a woman who stays in an abusive relationship and crys about the beatings they get. If this is the ignorance you speak of then your right, thats something I will never experience in my life because I have a backbone...I can only assume that you do not and you feel SO strongly because you choose to be a punching back for some peice of shit...Don't blame others for your choice, you alone are responsible. Someone might treat you badly but you are the one who stayed...thats at your door.

 

There are women out there who LOVE to be the center of attention and will put themselves into situations like this too get attention...might you be one of those?? Or just have incredibly poor judgement.

 

What I find hilarious after all the little things you have admitted about yourself is that you would think I would be the one with the psych problem...The most important thing in life is to have some self realization, you might give it a try...since it seems you have none at all...

 

Equal rights is related...you don't want to see it because you are a weak minded woman who doesn't want the equal rights to also require equal responsibility...You want all the perks of equal rights but none of the responsibility.

 

I had decided to take a minor in psych because it would be an easy addition to my nursing degree...thats all. I don't think I would want to be a psych nurse on the day shift at all. You had mentioned that you wanted to take a major in psych if I remember correctly...could that be because you were hoping that would give you some insight into your own problems?? That is usually the case and it rarely works. I have seen others try it. Your better off with a counselor but maybe your one of those who doesn't want to let it all hang out in front of someone else...whatever. Maybe your one of those who prefers to take psych medication to numb the pain and not do the hard work of consistent counseling to get at the real problem...You and Builder make a great pair...Not an ounce of self realization between either of you. The insults you hurl are very telling, I'm sure you know what projection is...

[manicmonday]

LOL, its not my ignorance showing, look up the definition of battered wife syndrome, its pretty basic.

 

I have no sympathy for a person who stands in traffic and then gets upset that they were run over...Neither do I have sorrow for a woman who stays in an abusive relationship and crys about the beatings they get. If this is the ignorance you speak of then your right, thats something I will never experience in my life because I have a backbone...I can only assume that you do not and you feel SO strongly because you choose to be a punching back for some peice of shit...Don't blame others for your choice, you alone are responsible. Someone might treat you badly but you are the one who stayed...thats at your door.

 

I have a backbone. I left. I choose to leave. I don't choose for him to beat the shit out of me. I choose to try to save my marriage. But I did leave. If you were better educated, you would know it takes an abused person on average 7 times to leave their abuser before they leave for you. But Google and Wikipedia can't tell you that. Show me where I've blamed someone for my marriage? It's not there. I took responsibilty. But there are two people in the relationship and I'm not taking responsiblity for his actions.

 

There are women out there who LOVE to be the center of attention and will put themselves into situations like this too get attention...might you be one of those?? Or just have incredibly poor judgement.

 

So I made a bad decision and I'm an attention whore? You should know something about that as well, since your divorced. I made a bad decision and I rectified it. It's not as simple as you think it is, just fixing the problem. I'm not the center of attention nor have I ever been. I didn't put myself in this situation. I married someone who turned out to be someone different. Your ex should know something about that. Does that make you an attention whore for marrying and divorcing? Well by your own words it does.

 

What I find hilarious after all the little things you have admitted about yourself is that you would think I would be the one with the psych problem...The most important thing in life is to have some self realization, you might give it a try...since it seems you have none at all...

 

And what about my psych problems? I've always been more than forthwright about them and owned them for myself. I've never blamed anyone for them. Show me where I have? Again I will say that you won't be able to because I haven't I've gotten help. I have self realization. You might try it, since your head is in the sand so far up that your ass is getting sunburned.

 

Equal rights is related...you don't want to see it because you are a weak minded woman who doesn't want the equal rights to also require equal responsibility...You want all the perks of equal rights but none of the responsibility.

 

And where have you derived that I'm a weak minded person? I double majored twice to get two Master degrees. I own my own business and work for no one. I have embraced the responsibilitys that go along with it. What I refuse to do is take responsiblity for his actions. I would learn a little about empathy and people orientation, because you will be canned in 5 minutes flat with this attitude of "well, it's your fault, sorry you didn't die in the process".

 

I had decided to take a minor in psych because it would be an easy addition to my nursing degree...thats all. I don't think I would want to be a psych nurse on the day shift at all. You had mentioned that you wanted to take a major in psych if I remember correctly...could that be because you were hoping that would give you some insight into your own problems?? That is usually the case and it rarely works. I have seen others try it. Your better off with a counselor but maybe your one of those who doesn't want to let it all hang out in front of someone else...whatever. Maybe your one of those who prefers to take psych medication to numb the pain and not do the hard work of consistent counseling to get at the real problem...You and Builder make a great pair...Not an ounce of self realization between either of you. The insults you hurl are very telling, I'm sure you know what projection is...

 

I had a major in Psych. I have a Masters in it. I didn't go to school for it to self realize. I majored in it to advocate for other people who have been misunderstood, misdiagnosed and overmedicated. I would read up on your facts before you wonder why I majored in school. I also have an MBA and I did that so I can do other peoples taxes and run my own business. So far, it's been very profitable for me. And I would learn about psych medication before I state hurling insults about it. Tom Cruise didn't get very far with it, and neither will you. If you knew anything about how the brain worked and operated, you would know that some people need it physiology and biologically. I would hate to be your patient and have you say to me "well your just trying to numb the pain, I'm giving a viatim instead." Not going to happen bitch. You will loose your job before they have taken out the social security tax.

 

 

As far and builder and I go? Well, what started out as the board being a little slow so as a Mod, he decided to kick it up and you were first on list, has now become a cat fight of unequal measure. Meaning your unequaly matched and will loose every time. This is GF, and as such, sometimes someone gets teased a little to pick up the action. I've been on the receiving end of it. I took it like a woman and not like I was being ass raped without the KY Jelly. You however have shown that you have no personality, no empathy, no eduation, no ability to think beyond what Google and Wikipedia teach you. You will make a lousy nurse because you would need at least one of those ability's. I would find the first blind rich man and force him to marry you pronto. I have no sympathy for a 39 year old rich spoiled daddy's girl who is having to head off into the real world. I would go to Disney World tomorrow to numb the pain of having someone see who you really are, even thru the internet.

[builder]

LOL, its not my ignorance showing, look up the definition of battered wife syndrome, its pretty basic.

 

Looking up definitions? About battered wives? You really need to pluck your head out of your rectum.

 

I have no sympathy for a person who stands in traffic and then gets upset that they were run over...Neither do I have sorrow for a woman who stays in an abusive relationship and crys about the beatings they get.

 

You have no sympathy. That was all you needed to say. Have you told your daughter she better keep her nose clean, or she'll be finishing her "studies" in prison, because mommy is a police informer?

 

If this is the ignorance you speak of then your right, thats something I will never experience in my life because I have a backbone...

 

You have a tailbone. A big one to boot. You will die alone, after a tedious hate-filled existence, hiding behind a glock.

 

 

I can only assume that you do not and you feel SO strongly because you choose to be a punching back for some peice of shit...

 

You have nothing to base this accusation on. If you do, cite it.

 

Don't blame others for your choice, you alone are responsible.

 

Who's blaming anyone? MM is relating life experience. You are reading wiki. You've been dumped by every man you've managed to con.

 

Someone might treat you badly but you are the one who stayed...thats at your door.

 

When love is paramount, forgiveness and understanding come to the fore. You haven't read anything here in this thread, have you?

 

There are women out there who LOVE to be the center of attention

 

There are men and women everywhere who put the relationship before selfishness and greed. We know why you're alone.

 

and will put themselves into situations like this too get attention...

 

Once again, you haven't read anything here, and if you did, it didn't sink in.

 

might you be one of those??

 

You have nothing constructive to say, so you belittle. Poor child.

 

Or just have incredibly poor judgement.

 

How many times have you been given the flick in relationships, lethal?

 

Hint; it starts with "every...".

 

What I find hilarious after all the little things you have admitted about yourself is that you would think I would be the one with the psych problem...

 

You clearly are. You lack empathy, you are devoid of understanding, your relationships have all failed, and, by your own admission, you miss being spoiled by your father.

 

The most important thing in life is to have some self realization,

 

Is that what you think about while sunbaking? Yourself?

 

you might give it a try...

 

You might try to understand what you are suggesting, and try it yourself.

 

since it seems you have none at all...

 

You don't know MM from a bar of soap. You're not even an EN. You'll never be a psyche nurse.

 

Equal rights is related...you don't want to see it because you are a weak minded woman who doesn't want the equal rights to also require equal responsibility...

 

You think you understand responsibility? You're a small-minded child who still misses her daddy at 39. You think your glock is gonna save you.

 

You want all the perks of equal rights but none of the responsibility.

 

What has MM said that leads you to that dimwitted conclusion? I know, you ran out of insults, so you changed the topic. Dullard.

 

I had decided to take a minor in psych because it would be an easy addition to my nursing degree...thats all.

 

You think it'll be easy? You'll start on bedpans and shower duties like all nurses. Your intransigence and infallible racism will preclude you from higher duties.

 

I don't think I would want to be a psych nurse on the day shift at all.

 

You will be told what shifts you will be working. You don't get to pick and choose.

 

You had mentioned that you wanted to take a major in psych if I remember correctly...could that be because you were hoping that would give you some insight into your own problems??

 

MM has her psych major already. You'll be a geriatric before you even look like catching up with her studies.

 

That is usually the case and it rarely works.

 

So why are you considering it?

 

I have seen others try it. Your better off with a counselor but maybe your one of those who doesn't want to let it all hang out in front of someone else...whatever.

 

MM lets it all "hang out" right here for all to see. That's the human side of her.

 

Maybe your one of those who prefers to take psych medication to numb the pain and not do the hard work of consistent counseling to get at the real problem...

 

And that's the inhuman side of you.

 

You and Builder make a great pair...

 

Well thanks, but we have picked our flower girls already.

 

Not an ounce of self realization between either of you.

 

Maybe, but we have more intelligence and understanding in our little toe-nails right now, than you will ever possess in your lifetime.

 

The insults you hurl are very telling, I'm sure you know what projection is...

 

If you think we are insulting you, that's a fair indication that you've never actually gotten the meaning of GF. Thanks for coming retard.

[manicmonday]

Well..a very heated debate indeed. Let me throw my .02 cents in as well.

 

 

 

PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS – SEROTONIN INHIBITORS/BOOSTERS

Generally I do not support the prescription of psychotropic drugs, generally speaking I feel that the weak should be culled out and that society in general is over medicated, modern society has built a cult of medicated zombies, isolationist by individual nature and hostage to self denial, take a pill if you feel bad about yourself, medicate yourself into a nice fuzzy nothing matters zone, project your inabilities onto others, the system or your sad childhood, hide from the reality of your own failings, never confront the fact that the problem with your life is yourself kind of lollapalooza bitch fest, EMO, ADD, AADD, ADHD , ridlin, prozac etc… that’s my general feeling concerning prescription psychotropic drugs and how they are handed out like candy and the people that take them. The duality of me also understands that there are those individuals that clinically cannot function with out them; I just believe that most of the users are to mentally weak and lazy to learn how to deal with the realities of life’s ups and downs.

 

While I agree with most of you what you posted, I just want to point out something and it's not really to you, again it's a general thing. When a heart patient needs a pace maker or other drug to regulate their heart, I've never seen anyone tell them, well if you weren't so weak, you wouldn't need it. Buck up and pace your own heart. Same with diabetics. Would you withhold insulin from them because they are too weak and lazy to deal with sugar highs and lows? It's the same thing. I agree that too many people pop a pill in order to feel better. But I am not in the majority that you speak of that says I'm lazy and mentally weak to deal with life. Far from it. I'm dealing with it just fine. However, like a diabetic, my body decided to quit making serotonin. When you tell me that you would tell a diabetic to buck up and face reality, I'll believe you about the serotonin as well.

[TerroristHater]

As previously stated. My GENERAL opinion is that the psychotropic drugs are overly handed out as a quick fix. I also stated that there is a real need for them in relationship to those individuals that require them to function, as in your case, I am sure you have been clinically tested, blood, urine, etc.. And found not to be able to biologically produce the brain balancing chemical serotonin, that being the case you have a real clinical need for the psychotropic drugs in order to function.

 

Now the big question is, when did you start taking the drug, and has that had a long term impact on your body’s ability to produce it naturally? That’s the big question in the medical field these days. By prescribing the serotonin derivative/supplements is that causing larger more long term issues and dependencies later. Junkies so to speak

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If you cannot function without a drug and take it anyway, you are recreating. This is drug abuse and people who do it are addicts. If the drugs are being taken because they are a medical necessity, then those doing it are medicated. They are NOT drug addicts. However, the symptomologies suffered, such as withdrawls, euphoria, dysphoria, ect. whatever the case me be, is nearly identical in both groups.

 

Group A (Recreators) tend to suffer worse withdrawls and lessened overal effectiveness with these types of drugs because they tend you use more of them. In the long run it is this group that has the biggest risk of long term addiction.

 

Group B (Medical Necessity) patients tend to have an easier time with these drugs simply because they tend to take them as perscribed. This group is also far less likely to experiment with things like grapefruit juice (makes some drugs such as Benzodiazapenes more potent and longer lasting) and alcohol or other products, which cause an increased response. This essentially has the effect of making these patients much more able to withdraw from usage without long term effects on their body. It also provides them the ability to achive the maxium benefit of the given medications for an extended period of time.

 

If you have any other questions, just let me know.

 

[snafu]

I have had an addictive behavior since I was 14. I did some hard drugs and caused serious migraines. Being an addictive person I opted for the pain medicine over say blood thinners and such. I do have will power and was able to quit every thing but the pain killers.

My headaches became increasingly worse. My daughter that is going to school for nursing asked me if I thought the meds were problematic. I blew her off because I wanted the pain meds. Just this year the headaces and being in a fog got to the point to were I just decided to get off them also. I now have very little pain. So yes people can over medicate and the doctors are only to happy to oblige. And it was my own doing that caused the migraines in the first place.