Mexico works to bar non natives from jobs

[Lethalfind]

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer Sun May 21, 4:25 PM ET

 

 

 

"MEXICO CITY - If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.

 

Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory. (some people always have their hands out for a free ride)

 

In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born.

In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.

Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."

 

Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges. (god forbid they should have an honest cop or judge)

Mexico's Interior Department — which recommended the bans as part of "model" city statutes it distributed to local officials — could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts.

After being contacted by The Associated Press about the issue, officials changed the wording in two statutes to delete the "native-born" requirements, although they said the modifications had nothing to do with AP's inquiries.

 

"These statutes have been under review for some time, and they have, or are about to be, changed," said an Interior Department official, who was not authorized to be quoted by name.

But because the "model" statues are fill-in-the-blanks guides for framing local legislation, many cities across Mexico have already enacted such bans. They have done so even though foreigners constitute a tiny percentage of the population and pose little threat to Mexico's job market.

The foreign-born make up just 0.5 percent of Mexico's 105 million people, compared with about 13 percent in the United States, which has a total population of 299 million. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3,000 people a year, compared to the U.S. average of almost a half million.

"There is a need for a little more openness, both at the policy level and in business affairs," said David Kim, president of the Mexico-Korea Association, which represents the estimated 20,000 South Koreans in Mexico, many of them naturalized citizens.

 

"The immigration laws are very difficult ... and they put obstacles in the way that make it more difficult to compete," Kim said, although most foreigners don't come to Mexico seeking government posts.

J. Michael Waller, of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, was more blunt. "If American policy-makers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution," he said in a recent article on immigration.

 

Some Mexicans agree their country needs to change.

"This country needs to be more open," said Francisco Hidalgo, a 50-year-old video producer. "In part to modernize itself, and in part because of the contribution these (foreign-born) people could make."

Others express a more common view, a distrust of foreigners that academics say is rooted in Mexico's history of foreign invasions and the loss of territory in the 1847-48 Mexican-American War.

 

Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: "The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, it's usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs."

 

Some say progress is being made. Mexico's president no longer is required to be at least a second-generation native-born. That law was changed in 1999 to clear the way for candidates who have one foreign-born parent, like President Vicente Fox, whose mother is from Spain. But the pace of change is slow. The state of Baja California still requires candidates for the state legislature to prove both their parents were native born."

 

This speaks volumes about Mexico and their demands.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_limiting_immigrants;_ylt=ArnhbjZn3YRlqIbxBTgrnGis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

[Gallytuck]

It's not like it's exactly the first country people think of moving to in order to find employment. Mexico is so far down on my list of places I'd consider to be decent to live in that I'd let them have their ban while still granting them fair opportunity to work here should they choose to come here. Just like the Latvian dude at work. I don't mind him working here and I still wouldn't mind even if I found out that Latvia doesn't allow any foreigners to hold any form of employment whatsoever in that nation. Seriously, it's not like anybody is really being prevented from gaining anything special here.

[Gallytuck]

 

This speaks volumes about Mexico and their demands.

 

Think of it this way, if you give in to these petty and, well, insignificant demands from Mexico now then in the future when they get really pushy you can tell them to fuck off and throw your previous tolerance and generosity back into their faces. It'd be a great move to gain international pressure on Mexico to back down on any possible future demands which the U.S. might really not want to cave on.

[Lethalfind]

Think of it this way, if you give in to these petty and, well, insignificant demands from Mexico now then in the future when they get really pushy you can tell them to fuck off and throw your previous tolerance and generosity back into their faces. It'd be a great move to gain international pressure on Mexico to back down on any possible future demands which the U.S. might really not want to cave on.

 

I think you misunderstand...The issue between the US and Mexico is that they want an open door for their citizens to come here, free and easy, they want them to be able to come here and NOT be subject to the same immigrations laws that EVERYONE else in the world is subject too. They object to the US tightening boarder security, they object to the US making the illegal aliens that are here already, criminals. When an American kills someone here and hides in Mexico, they won't turn them over to the US until we assure them this person won't face the death penalty BUT when it comes to people going there for work they throw up all these road blocks. I have heard of alot of Americans working there because the American companies they work for have offices there. Its not like Mexico is on the top of their list, they get sent there.

 

Why do they think the US should have such an open door policy when they don't extend the same to others when they come to Mexico??

 

These people come to the US and use up resources that should be going to people who are here legally, who have followed the rules, its not right. Then they disrespect our flag, our language, think we should all just roll over, in fact learn their fuckin language because their too lazy to learn ours...FUCK THEM.

[Gallytuck]

I'm just throwing ideas out here. I don't really care about Mexico but I'm aware of some of the issues going on between the U.S. and Mexico. Just trying to give you another side to rub your frustrations across.

[kokorosenshi]

well lethalfind, they are learning our language, and its not fair for mexico to demand us to make their people US citizens so easy, and they wont coaporate with the US.

 

and gallytuck, in my world, dont let anyone push you around at all, they push, you push harder, show who has balls and make them cower at your feet.

 

although i do want illegal immigrants to become US citizens, its only a certain type (productive ones, not druggies), and not become a US citizen the easy way

 

let them be here with certain rights, like to work and go to school, and they have to pay taxes, and give them a green card or visa, after 4 to 7 years, if they havent applied for citizenship, force them, if they make no effort to to become a citizen, kick them out, and dont let them back in..ever, take picture, get info, whatever.

 

i see america this way, sort of like a club, like a really cool one with different things to do, possibilities, oppurtunities, etc. etc.

and if you want to be a member, you have to do a couple of things, after we agree that you should be a respected member, we say, your in bud

but, if there assholes that hole time, or we think think that your lazy and contribut nothing, kick their ass out the door and dont let them in, they had their chance, they fucked it up, now go cry and tell your kids what not to do

 

as for ANY immigrant that breaks an american law in american like murdering and raping, anything that extreme, I'LL KILL YOU, I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU, DONT THINK YOUR GOING TO THAT BORDER, DONT HOP IN THAT BOAT, DONT STEP IN THAT PLANE, YOUR MY BITCH NOW, YOU BREAK A LAW IN MY COUNTRY, YOU SUFFER FOR IT

 

i'll do that to anyone anyways, i hate murders, rapist, pedafiles, id kill em all if i had the chance, actually, i think those crimes will go down if we shot them, like if there was really good evidence that they did it, and not just testimonies, things would be better

 

as for those that are always being nice, do what MLK did, when someone spat in his face or insulted him, which is turn the other cheek, id tell him, im in the mood for hun'ing, or play a good war game, wanna come

[TerroristHater]

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer Sun May 21, 4:25 PM ET

 

 

 

"MEXICO CITY - If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.

 

Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory. (some people always have their hands out for a free ride)

 

In the United States, only two posts

[Lethalfind]

 

 

This is 100% proof that all illegal aliens need to be rounded up and deported. If Mexico doesn't like it, FUCK THEM. They are a group of racist, leech, druglords, and the do not have the right to be in the USA.

 

We need to round up ALL ILLEGALS and deport their asses back to Mexico.

 

FUCK MEXICO AND FUCK THEIR DRUGLORD PRESIDENT.

 

They seem to want it all their way in my opinion and this just serves to confirm that.

[ImWithStupid]

I haven't been around much lately. Too busy with work and personal life. So I don't know if anyone already posted this link but it could be a way to get out anyones frustrations regarding the illegal immigrants from south of the border.

 

If this is new, enjoy. If not fuck off, I'm sorry I didn't see it.

 

http://www.resist.com/other/border_patrol.swf

[kokorosenshi]

umm, not all mexicans are racist, seriously, you guys have to stop stereotyping, thats why the rest of the world hates american's guts, cuase of assholes that stereotype.

 

and not all are leech, druglords, my dad is an illegal immigrant, and hes getting his citizenship, but he has worked every single day that he has been here, and he never leeched from someone or sold drugs, hes acutally a carpenter, and unlike others that work for square foot, he works by the hour with a time limit, and he meets that time limit. his friends are the same with different jobs and so on.

 

you guys have to stop thinking in terms of isolationism

 

i was reading some sociology and well, in summary, if people cant spread to other regions, they conquer lands for their people and making war and stuff so that a country wouldnt be to overpopulated. immigration is a good thing, just dont be an idiot about it and think that bordering yourself will solve all problems.

 

mexicans arent the only ones that have racist, leeches, and drugsellers

ever heard of the KKK, bums on the street, and that fabulous show, cops, all of that in the U.S. of A. and they are USA citizens. and no, i dont think all americans are like that. some might actually think that because they are assholes.

[TerroristHater]

They seem to want it all their way in my opinion and this just serves to confirm that.

 

That is ABSOLUTLEY 100% CORRECT!!!! Fuck Mexico and President Vicinte Fuckstick.

 

We should do the same here and ban non-Americans from getting jobs in this country. Then we should find out how many illegals are on welfare AND TERMINATE THEIR BENEFITS!!!! Then when they riot; we send in the national guard to force their asses back over the border.

 

After that... WE CANCEL NAFTA AND MAKE THE FUCKERS SUFFER UNTIL THEY AGREE TO REMOVE FOX'S LAME ASS FROM POWER!!!!

 

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Now... back to reality. (This is the way people like George Bush and is scumbag neocon assclown butt-buddies think) NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED TO BE BANNED FROM HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE?

 

[kokorosenshi]

im a bit confused, but i think your saying that bush's peeps are saying

We should do the same here and ban non-Americans from getting jobs in this country. Then we should find out how many illegals are on welfare AND TERMINATE THEIR BENEFITS!!!! Then when they riot; we send in the national guard to force their asses back over the border.

 

After that... WE CANCEL NAFTA AND MAKE THE FUCKERS SUFFER UNTIL THEY AGREE TO REMOVE FOX'S LAME ASS FROM POWER!!!!

 

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

i really hate it that mexico is demanding the US to make mexican illegal immigrants to US citizens and then do nothing in return but to ban non-natives mexicans from working in Mexico. they cant tell the US what to do, and hes a dumbass of a leader for demanding another country to make his people citizens in that country,

 

dam, who the hell votes these assholes in office, and im talking about in both countries

[TerroristHater]

im a bit confused, but i think your saying that bush's peeps are saying

 

 

i really hate it that mexico is demanding the US to make mexican illegal immigrants to US citizens and then do nothing in return but to ban non-natives mexicans from working in Mexico. they cant tell the US what to do, and hes a dumbass of a leader for demanding another country to make his people citizens in that country,

 

dam, who the hell votes these assholes in office, and im talking about in both countries

 

Yeah, you do have a point there. Bush is a redneck moron who has been linked to cocaine abuse and alcoholism. Vicente Fox is a useless piece of shit who is owned by the mexican mafia. He needs to be tossed in front of a moving bus.

 

Useless assholes!

 

[Lethalfind]

I don't believe all Mexicans are bad or lazy or whatever else you want to say. I have always had friends who were of Mexican heritage, people who were just people, not of lessor worth because of their heritage.

 

However there are alot of issues with Mexico and it seems pretty one sided when you add things up. Mexico (the country and government) seem to want it all their way. I don't blame the common man for this, I blame the people in charge of that corrupt shit hole, the Mexican people are victims of that system. Does that mean they should have a free ride here, NO. AND I'm not saying all Mexicans want a free ride. The government seems to use the US as a dumping ground for people who think they should have a better life, rather then trying to clean up that cess pool country, they send them here OR encourage them to come here illegally. Then GOD forbid one of us wants to go there and work.

 

Did you know that if I wanted to take my car and drive to Mexico and sell it, that would be against the law and if Mexican law enforcement found out, they could impound my car??? HOWEVER, if a Mexican wanted to come here and sell his car, no problem.....

 

If a Mexican illegally enters the US and has a child here, that child is AUTOMATICALLY an American citizen. If the tables are turned and an American gives birth in Mexico, that child is not a Mexican citizen or even due the consideration of dual citizenship !!!

 

Mexicans can come into the states for the day and buy all the perscription medication they want as long as they have the scripts (each script being good for 12 months of meds usually) for it and the money to pay for it which is following the rules set out by the US for such a transaction. If an American goes to Mexico and purchases (non narcotics) pays for them, if they buy too much, they can be arrested for drug trafficking and put in prison. Back when I lived in Texas a college girl went to Mexico and bought some Asthma medication (again, non narcotic), several months worth and she was put in prison for drug trafficking. She had proof the meds were for her use only...She died in prison (of her asthma) while the American government and her parents worked to get her out...

 

I think its time we put pressure on the Mexican government to straighten their shit out. The way to do this is to make it imposible for them to come here illegally, let them stay there and put the pressure on their government to straighten their shit out.

[TerroristHater]

I agree! We need to find ways to make Vicente Fox get his head out of his ass!

 

Vicente Fox is a douche-tool and a useless sack of pig feces!

[Lethalfind]

I agree! We need to find ways to make Vicente Fox get his head out of his ass!

 

Vicente Fox is a douche-tool and a useless sack of pig feces!

 

I'm really asking...have you ever heard of a leader or official, law enforcement who was worth anything???

 

Honestly, when your SUV gets stolen in Texas, take a cruise down to Mexico and you will find an official or law enforcement driving it, he probably sent someone up to Texas with a special order of what too steal.

[snafu]

Tougher laws for employers who hire these ILLEGAL people.

Tougher laws for Illeagals that accept welfare. Don't deport them. Lock them up!

They are obviously doing with illegal identification.

Sanctions on Mexico for every welfare check cashed in Mexico.

 

Who cares if their lazy or not. They are here ILLEGAL!

[8 mecos]

Well I just came back to get the last of my furniture and belongings before I head back to my Mexican home en Jalisco , now that I have sold my Chicago home .

I haven't been to GF for many months . I see it it still full of hatered isolationism etc. you peeps are REALLY SAD SACKS ! Yeah Im a white X-Amerikan.

 

Keep swimming in your closed minds " round 'em all up blah blah blah " Leathel >>>>>>>your comments make me smile >>>Your life must be a barren waste land , a world without love.

 

I guess I should have gone back to Germany since that was my families heritage. Once you get outside of USA you'll find the world is a better place . relax Amerika IS NOT THE WHOLE WORLD >>

GOOD BYE Small minded pins

 

P.S. I got a job with an environmental company in Guadalajara. No one even asked for credential as to my country of origin . weather is fine food is great ...the sex & drugs can't be beat !

[phreakwars]

Ahh cum boy... welcome back, and give my reguards to President Fox.

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[RoyalOrleans]

P.S. I got a job with an environmental company in Guadalajara.

 

Your first appointed task in the Guadalajaran environmental company should be to teach Mexicans to flush toilet paper instead of throwing it in the waste receptacle.

[Lethalfind]

Well I just came back to get the last of my furniture and belongings before I head back to my Mexican home en Jalisco , now that I have sold my Chicago home .

I haven't been to GF for many months . I see it it still full of hatered isolationism etc. you peeps are REALLY SAD SACKS ! Yeah Im a white X-Amerikan.

 

Keep swimming in your closed minds " round 'em all up blah blah blah " Leathel >>>>>>>your comments make me smile >>>Your life must be a barren waste land , a world without love.

 

I guess I should have gone back to Germany since that was my families heritage. Once you get outside of USA you'll find the world is a better place . relax Amerika IS NOT THE WHOLE WORLD >>

GOOD BYE Small minded pins

 

P.S. I got a job with an environmental company in Guadalajara. No one even asked for credential as to my country of origin . weather is fine food is great ...the sex & drugs can't be beat !

 

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