Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 "les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message news:oevti3d452pm03fvn9la007ok40qk98n3m@4ax.com... > On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:46:49 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com> > wrote: >>On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:17:25 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote: >>> >>> Love isn't an "un-provable premise", and we believe in it, and >>> anyone >>> who demonstrates it, as Christ did on the cross of Calvary. >> >>There's no proof that that event ever happened, or that Christ ever >>existed. > > Nor does it matter. To look to one person or one ideal to guide us > is narrow minded and shallow. Wisdom, understanding and the > correct way to lead our lives comes not from one single role model, > like Paul's Christ or a football player but from us all. I look for > the good in everybody and synthesise the best as my guide. A > casual remark or a wise action can make a difference or remind me when > I have forgotten. Thus I tread my path hopefully gaining wisdom > as I do. There is nothing to be gained by looking to one single > source like the Bible. That is a dead end. > No quite. By all means look around and explore the world's major religions, I did. But if you look carefully, you will notice that Christ is about relationships and commitment, not intelligence, knowledge, logic and reason. Our relationship with God is a parental one, based upon the love a father has for his children, and that this parental love is not subject to logic nor reason. In other words, the kid who loves his Dad does NOT get what he deserves, because mutual love causes all in such relationships to be blind to each other's faults and shortcomings. That is why it's so difficult for some people to get a handle on the Christian religion in particular. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest les_on_usenet Posted November 5, 2007 Posted November 5, 2007 On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:03:26 -0500, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message >news:oevti3d452pm03fvn9la007ok40qk98n3m@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:46:49 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com> >> wrote: >>>On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:17:25 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote: >>>> >>>> Love isn't an "un-provable premise", and we believe in it, and >>>> anyone >>>> who demonstrates it, as Christ did on the cross of Calvary. >>> >>>There's no proof that that event ever happened, or that Christ ever >>>existed. >> >> Nor does it matter. To look to one person or one ideal to guide us >> is narrow minded and shallow. Wisdom, understanding and the >> correct way to lead our lives comes not from one single role model, >> like Paul's Christ or a football player but from us all. I look for >> the good in everybody and synthesise the best as my guide. A >> casual remark or a wise action can make a difference or remind me when >> I have forgotten. Thus I tread my path hopefully gaining wisdom >> as I do. There is nothing to be gained by looking to one single >> source like the Bible. That is a dead end. >> > No quite. By all means look around and explore the world's major >religions, I did. That is not what I said. Nor is it what I do . It is typical that you interpret what I say in that light totally overlooking the worlds greatest literature and poetry and just the ordinary man in the street a relative or worthy on our radio stations and TV. Even bad people can be a guide showing us what not to do. > But if you look carefully, you will notice that Christ is >about relationships and commitment, not intelligence, knowledge, logic and >reason. So what? So is living a life and that is a much richer and rewarding experience. Something you seem not to understand stuck in your myopic fantasy world. > Our relationship with God is a parental one, Good for you. So is my relationship with my mother, only it is real not fantasy. > based upon the love a >father has for his children, and that this parental love is not subject to >logic nor reason. Your lack of understanding is noted. > In other words, the kid who loves his Dad does NOT get >what he deserves, because mutual love causes all in such relationships to be >blind to each other's faults and shortcomings. > That is why it's so difficult for some people to get a handle on the >Christian religion in particular. I cannot get a handle on a dreamed up fantasy since it is entirely without substance and im many cases contradictory. Real life in any case is far more interesting and rewarding though I admit I do enjoying immersing myself in fantasy now and again. Variety as they say is the spice of life. You constant repeating of the same selected quotes from the Bible just shows how shallow and myopic your understanding and knowledge is. Les Hellawell Greetings from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:hflui3hq0lggbt7sgirg11kecu8c50t6b0@4ax.com... > On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:04:38 -0500, "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> > wrote: >> >>"What He has done for others, He could do for you; it is no secret what >>God >>can do" >>Word from Rev. Thomas Dorsey > > Objective evidence that your god objectively exists? > Al at Webdingers dot com > "God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the > miserable. They find not only sanctuary in the arms of an imaginary > spirit, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated > egos; He will set them above their betters." > - H.L. Mencken > There is something to that, as our God is our Father which is in heaven, and yes we are his children who are indeed as "incompetent and helpless" as any child with a loving and caring Father. The error is in describing such children as being "miserable", which they are decidedly not, ...for they know themselves loved beyond comparison nor reason. Atheists don't know any such thing, and that is why atheists are condemned to "wail" complaints eternally in their own private "outer darkness" of hell. See below Pastor Frank Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints and accusations) and the gnashing of teeth (in perpetual frustration and impotent rage). -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest rockymt Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message news:fgm4ig$sm0$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > > "Kenneth Doyle" <nobody@notmail.com> wrote in message > news:EDrXi.8729$CN4.6939@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote: >> >>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, >>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made >>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on >>> earth the newness of life. >> >> Prove it. > > <><>><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><>< ><><><><<><> > Nov 5 Monday: listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go to the Word of God, and see for yourself. Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. Find out what is truth for yourself. Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you. He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying). May God Bless you. rockymt <><> <><> > "What He has done for others, He could do for you; it is no secret what > God can do" > Word from Rev. Thomas Dorsey > > So many lives have been changed by the power of the Good News, which is > the Resurrection power. > You say, " prove it." Don't need to nor can I : revelation and truth are > revealed to the heart. Within my inner man( my spirit man) I know it to be > so. I know that I know that I know. This is that miracle of the re-birth. > Flesh gives birth to flesh (natural birth - understood and explained by > natural science)...spirit gives birth to spirit~~ cannot be understood by > science, therefore it requires no scientific proof or evidence to those > who are born again from above. You must be born again, from above, to > believe, and understand ... you have to become like a little child. So let > me emphasize "become" ( with a child-like trust in; being teachable as a > child is) to begin to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, > otherwise it is foolishness, much like it is to those perishing in their > sins. > > > "You may ask me how I know my God is real; > you may doubt the things I say and doubt the way I feel; > but I know He's real today, He'll always be; > I can feel His hand in mine, > and that is good enough for me." > Words : Mossy Lister > > > rockymt > > Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if >we are going to make any sense of passages like this. Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently. There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in Christospeak: Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American variety.) -- Al at Webdingers dot com We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. - H. L. Mencken Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 "Kenneth Doyle" <nobody@notmail.com> wrote in message news:ZJtXi.8771$CN4.7647@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:17:25 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote: >> >> Love isn't an "un-provable premise", and we believe in it, and >> anyone who demonstrates it, as Christ did on the cross of Calvary. > > There's no proof that that event ever happened, or that Christ ever > existed. > Glad you evidence, that you WOULD believe if you were certain the event had taken place. The Holy Spirit is in the habit of convincing people like you. Praise the Lord!!!!! -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest les_on_usenet Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet ><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: > >>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if >>we are going to make any sense of passages like this. > >Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently. > >There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in >Christospeak: > >Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American >variety.) Garbage in garbage out. Les Hellawell Greetings from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Quote
Guest les_on_usenet Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:18:50 -0500, "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote: > >"rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >news:fgm4ig$sm0$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >> >> "Kenneth Doyle" <nobody@notmail.com> wrote in message >> news:EDrXi.8729$CN4.6939@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote: >>> >>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, >>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made >>>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on >>>> earth the newness of life. >>> >>> Prove it. >> >> <><>><><><><><><><> ><><><><><><><><><>< >><><><><<><> >> Nov 5 Monday: > > >listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go >to the Word of God, and see for yourself. Suggested entry to Christospeak Dictionary: "The Word of God" = magic like 'Abracadabra', anybody who reads the puported 'word of God' (claimed to be that bundled book of ancient Israelite myths and Fables known as the Bible) will be instantly transformed into a believer. Of course before this magic works you have to, "Open your heart to god" which is Christospeak for "you need to pretend to believe and if you pretend to believe hard enough you will believe" So, in order for the magic of the Bible to work you have to suspend all common sense, stop thinking, pretend to believe and you will start believing. (as written in another post this god thing will then send you something called the "Holy Spirit" which is this god thing anyway which will give you the gift of believing itself). So, if you pretend to believe you will be given the gift of believing (means you have convinced yourself) and your mind will be so deluded as to start seeing whatever you want to see. Well no thanks, the first step to withdrawl from reality and self-delusion is a semi-detached state that can only leads to madness. Some of the Christians who post here are clearly beyond half mad already and completely detached from this world. I think I will keeep my sanity the best I can thank you and cling like mad to reality like my life depends upon it. >Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. "Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice; Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment." - Shakespeare Hamlet Act 1 scene II here is the complete passage: "Look thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue, Nor any unproportion'd thought his act. Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar: Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried, Grapple them unto thy soul with hoops of steel; But do not dull thy palm with entertainment Of each new-hatch'd, unfledg'd comrade. Beware Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in, Bear't that th' opposed may beware of thee. Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice; Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment. Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy, But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy; For the apparel oft proclaims the man, And they in France of the best rank and station Are most select and generous, chief in that. Neither a borrower nor a lender be; For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. This above all- to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man. Farewell. My blessing season this in thee!" > Don't >over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. = Turn off your brain and become stupid and suggestible. Oly then can you swallow our nonesense whole. Yes a very revealing suggestion. > Find out what is truth for ourself. Well said! This is why I am not a Christian swallowing your nonesense whole just on your say so. This is course something we constantly do here on aa and which causes your kind the greatest anxiety. The thing you fear most is doubt and that you might loose your 'faith'. Precious to you but worthless to anybody else. Well, once again into the breech dear friends (more of the bard :-) Where is the truth of the Christian claim there is such a thing as 'god' (whatever it is supposed to be and that the Bible is its word) Where can I find out this truth for myself? Where is the verification for these claims? Simplying saying that the Bible is the word of god does not make it so especially when this god thing has not rises beyond the status of claimed. Thus far your unverfied claims are indistinquishable from fantasy and an argument from ignorance. If you wish us to accept your claim trhat there is something you call god asking us to stop thinking and just swallow you nonesense whole is about as far away from a search for the truth as it gets. > Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep >you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you. >He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying). > May God Bless you. I looked up 'bless' in an ordinary dictionary. In religious terms it was again difficult to pin down Encarta says make somebody or something holy: to bestow holiness on somebody or something in a religious ceremony "Holy" means - saintly: devoted to the service of God, a god, or a goddess So blessed means: make somebody devoted to the service of god In simpler term "May god bless you" = "may he make you his slave" I will not respond in kind to you nasty curse. Les Hellawell Greetings from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Quote
Guest les_on_usenet Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet ><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: > >>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if >>we are going to make any sense of passages like this. > >Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently. > >There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in >Christospeak: > >Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American >variety.) When you boil down offal the result is tripe. So, garbage in = garbage out. Les Hellawell Greetings from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Quote
Guest SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 > >>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is >>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the >>grave. He is Risen and alive today. > Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, > transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), > pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it > possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth > the newness of life. > > What about you... what do you want to believe... what do you believe to be > truth and fables? > The Kingdom of Heaven is like a hidden treasure...Seek Him while you may. > > rockymt dear christian nutcase, as USUAL,. all you people manage to post is more BIBLE BABBLE HORSECRAP that was written by some ancient superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO PROVIDE OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR HORSECRAP SKY PIXIE OR ADMIT HE DOESN'T EXIST. which will you do? Quote
Guest SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 >>> Prove it. >> > > > listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go > to the Word of God, and see for yourself. the babble, er, sorry, the bible, is the ramblings of some superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers and nothing more. if the bible is the word of your god, then your god is truly a fucking idiot have you truly READ THE BIBLE, and seen all of the inconsistences and bullcrap in the bible? Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:47:55 +0000, les_on_usenet <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> >wrote: > >>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet >><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >> >>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if >>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this. >> >>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently. >> >>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in >>Christospeak: >> >>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American >>variety.) > >When you boil down offal the result is tripe. I really didn't need that picture early in the morning. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under- stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism." - 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39 Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:56:04 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:47:55 +0000, les_on_usenet ><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: > >>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> >>wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet >>><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >>> >>>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if >>>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this. >>> >>>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently. >>> >>>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in >>>Christospeak: >>> >>>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American >>>variety.) >> >>When you boil down offal the result is tripe. > >I really didn't need that picture early in the morning. Actually tripe is stomach lining. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:01:22 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote: >On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:56:04 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> >wrote: > >>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:47:55 +0000, les_on_usenet >><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet >>>><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if >>>>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this. >>>> >>>>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently. >>>> >>>>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in >>>>Christospeak: >>>> >>>>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American >>>>variety.) >>> >>>When you boil down offal the result is tripe. >> >>I really didn't need that picture early in the morning. > >Actually tripe is stomach lining. I know what tripe is, and I know what offal is, and I have to carry that picture around all day. Christian carrion. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." - Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo] Quote
Guest les_on_usenet Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:01:10 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:01:22 -0500, Christopher A.Lee ><calee@optonline.net> wrote: > >>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:56:04 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> >>wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:47:55 +0000, les_on_usenet >>><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet >>>>><delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if >>>>>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this. >>>>> >>>>>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently. >>>>> >>>>>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in >>>>>Christospeak: >>>>> >>>>>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American >>>>>variety.) >>>> >>>>When you boil down offal the result is tripe. >>> >>>I really didn't need that picture early in the morning. >> >>Actually tripe is stomach lining. > >I know what tripe is, and I know what offal is, and I have to carry >that picture around all day. Christian carrion. Sorry bout that. (well the cows bits anyway) Les Hellawell Greetings from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:18:50 -0500, "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote: >listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go >to the Word of God, and see for yourself. Most atheists have done exactly that - which is why they're now atheists. Your Bible is one of the best arguments for atheism there is. > May God Bless you. May he give you some tiny measure of intelligence. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against abortionists is justifiable homocide ." - "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill Quote
Guest rockymt Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 n "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > > "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >> >> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>> Short for nothing. >>> >>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... > > >>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is >>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the >>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. >> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, >> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it >> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth >> the newness of life. > > The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid > objective verifiable evidence .. Should we believe in a god for whom there > is NO solid objective evidence? <>><><>< ><><>< this is a question only you can ask yourself. Is Jesus the only begotten son of God : true God, true man? Did He come out of the grave, did He ascend to heaven to be with his father? what does this all mean to me? it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only begotten Son, so I may have eternal life? Go to the Word of God.... in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a little everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to reveal what those words say. The evidence available is quite the > contrary. It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is <><>< <><>..... based purely on > faith Right! Stop reasoning. you'll never understand it with your mind. You must come to God in faith. <><><> <><> in totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable > evidence of any kind. > > > > The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of > unknown veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years. > There are NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have > rotted and disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the > originals said. <><><><><> what is impossible for man is very possible with God. God can and did preserve is Holy Word. Again you must come to this truth by faith, trusting. Faith is caught not taught. ><><>< ]<><><><> The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, > contradictions and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions alone > of the English Bible interpretations. <><><> <><>< so says the carnal mind. Mmm. God through man has supernaturally preserved the book s in the Bible, and don't ask me to provide truth. All I can say is that it still changes lives, and it can yours too. <><>< > > > > According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth and > everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during > this time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's RIBS. > > > > According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly > created this huge complex Universe in six days! > > > > This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named > Jesus to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach > his wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has > existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years to > come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he himself > created!)? <><><> <><><>, The Bible says he came in the fullness of time God's ways, God's reasons for the specifics of His salvation plan are really not for me to question the Cross ( the atoning death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ) and the cleansing blood of Christ Jesus, washed my sins, therefore I am made (imputed) righteous in God's eyes John : 3: 16 That is where to begin. The others more heavier Theological questions shouldn't really concern the new believer...just yet. unless he is looking to find fault and not really interested in salvation of his soul. <>><><>,. > > > > This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to Earth > as a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a > virgin called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous > way? <>><>< Arrogant humans had to make up a myth about a god arriving from the womb of another human. ><><><> <><> Arrogant humans keep insisting it is a myth, because they hate the terms of salvation. God Jesus died for the Church. He has used man to spread the message of His redemptive plan. God said NO to sin: it has to go, and YES to sinful man. People that hate Christianity,do so because they love the sin and do not want to deal with their sinful condition. Just read the opening Chapter of John. sinful man love the darkness they are in and refuse to come into the light of God's truth, so they do what is convenient. They point out what appears to look like man-made errors in the Bible. ><<><><> Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of > Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be married > to a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all > powerful god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to > create? He supposedly created the Universe and everything in it! ><><><><> <><><> Joseph was the earthly parent of Jesus while He was growing up. God is also pro-family. Why should Mary, the mother of Jesus, been a single mom (we're speaking here of earthly parents)? Mary had to be a virgin: she was concieved by the power of the Holy Spirit> Again thenatural mind doesnot accept this and calls it nonsense. I call it amasing ...by faith. <<><><> ,><><>< > > > > If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did he > use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth??? <><><> ,.<><><<>< All childbirth has been painful since the fall in Genesis 3. the curse of mankind The cross was torturous. God the father laid all the sins of mankind on the incarnated Son,God-man. Again this goes into Christian theology. He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an > adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. After > about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants that > he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and > commands. <><><><> ,><><><> The New Test deals primarily with the earthly ministry of Christ Jesus. His childhood accounts wouldn't be relevant to a believer... really if you think about it, as much as when He was speaking of the Kingdom to the cross. <>><><., <>><><>< ,.<>><><><>< ><><><><><><><>< <>><><><><><><><><><><>< ><<>><><><<><><><><><><>><><<>><>< > > > >> What about you... what do you want to believe... what do you believe to >> be truth and fables? >> The Kingdom of Heaven is like a hidden treasure...Seek Him while you may. >> >> rockymt >> > > Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:22:44 -0500, "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote: >n >"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >> >> "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >> news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >>> >>> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>> Short for nothing. >>>> >>>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >>>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... >> >> >>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is >>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the >>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. >>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, >>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it >>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth >>> the newness of life. >> >> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid >> objective verifiable evidence > >. Should we believe in a god for whom there >> is NO solid objective evidence? > > ><>><><>< >><><>< >this is a question only you can ask yourself. Are you really t5his stupid, or just pretending? >Is Jesus the only begotten son of God : true God, true man? Where did you demonstrate this "God" before rudely and stupidly presuming it to those you know don't share your religious beliefs? Where did you demonstrate that this "Jesus" is anything more than your irrelevant religious belief? >Did He come out of the grave, did He ascend to heaven to be with his >father? Did Frodo wear the ring and destroy it in Orodruin, did he take the ship to the undying shores? > what does this all mean to me? >it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out Why the fuck should we "seek" what is so far merely a figment of your imagination? If you imagine we should take it seriously then YOU have to make it relevant to us, using real-world, outside-your-religion evidence. >Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only begotten >Son, so I may have eternal life? Idiot. >Go to the Word of God.... Go fuck yourself. >in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a little What "doubts", brainwashed moron? So far there is nothing to doubt IN THE REAL WORLD OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION. >everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to reveal Why should we do that, brainwashed moron? >what those words say. Can't you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly preaching? [rest of this mindless, question-begging stupidity deleted] Quote
Guest skyeyes Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Nov 4, 4:36 am, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Short for nothing. "Nada" is Spanish for "nothing," actually. Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding skyeyes at dakotacom dot net Quote
Guest skyeyes Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Nov 4, 4:15 pm, Kenneth Doyle <nob...@notmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:32:46 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote: > > Do they not even care what they sound like in the real world? No > > embarrassment? Not even any understanding that those in whose faces they > > vomit these fairy stories, don't believe them in the first place so > > they're hardly going to see it as sensible? > > > These loonies are like flat Earthers or stork-theory gynecologists. > > Maybe they've got some sort of mantra thing going. They hypnotise > themselves with the rhythm of the words. The meaning of the words would > be entirely irrelevant. >From what I remember of being a born-again fundie, this isn't too far off the mark. Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding skyeyes at dakotacom dot net Quote
Guest skyeyes Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Nov 4, 9:04 pm, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote: <Snip foregoing, as there's only so much silliness you can respond to and remain sane> > "You may ask me how I know my God is real; > you may doubt the things I say and doubt the way I feel; > but I know He's real today, He'll always be; > I can feel His hand in mine, > and that is good enough for me." > Words : Mossy Lister And this differes from schizophrenia...how, exactly? Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding skyeyes at dakotacom dot net Quote
Guest skyeyes Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Nov 5, 9:18 pm, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote: > listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go > to the Word of God, and see for yourself. I've read the bible, rocky-me-dear. I read it through the first time the year I turned eight. I read it through every year thereafter until I was 22. I have read several different translations, including the KJV and the Douay. I have read it in German, Spanish, and Demotic (Modern) Greek. The bible is nothing but a hodge-podge of Bronze and Iron Age mythology. It isn't factual. It isn't historical. It qualifies as literature, had some interesting (if lugubrious) poetry and some pretty nice soft porn, but it doesn't qualify as "true." > Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't > over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. Why? Rationality is the most human of human characteristics. Rationality makes us what we are. To deny rationality is to deny our humanity. Urging us to deny our rationality means that you're playing into the old, old con game of "don't think, just do as I tell you." Well, fuck you. If your beliefs cannot stand up to reason, don't blame reason. Blame the silliness of your beliefs. > Find out what is truth for yourself. "Truth"??? Gah. Truth is whatever anybody says it is. Everybody and their Aunt Millie has a version of "truth," and I've never seen one version of it beat out the next. I wouldn't give you a plug nickle for truth. I'm interested in fact . > Give God a chance in your life - equal time. If you've got evidence that any god exists, please plonk it down right here: Unless and until you can do that, you're just spouting crap. > Don't let pride keep you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you. Nope, no sale. First you provide objective, testable evidence that any god exists. Once you've done that, then you can provide objective, testable evidence that this god feels "love" towards humans. Now get crackin', rocky. You've got some serious work to do. > He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying). > May God Bless you. And let him/her who has a brain, think. Rationality is its own blessing. No supernatural entities needed. Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding skyeyes at dakotacom dot net Quote
Guest skyeyes Posted November 6, 2007 Posted November 6, 2007 On Nov 6, 3:46 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote: > Suggested entry to Christospeak Dictionary: > > "The Word of God" = magic like 'Abracadabra', anybody who reads the > puported 'word of God' (claimed to be that bundled book of ancient > Israelite myths and Fables known as the Bible) will be instantly > transformed into a believer. Well, not instantly, but you're close. They actually believe that the biblical quotes will act on our brains somehow. If I remember correctly, the phrase they use is "sowing the seed." They believe that if we hear the bible enough, that one day we'll wake up and be "convicted" (shades of Chunkers!) of "the truth of god's word." > Of course before this magic works you have to, "Open your heart > to god" which is Christospeak for "you need to pretend to believe > and if you pretend to believe hard enough you will believe" Like our lil buddy rocky pointed out upthread, they want you to suspend the working of your rational mind and allow emotion to take over. Very insidious. And yes, if you have to pretend to believe, well, that means you want to believe but that naughty old brain of yours just won't shut off. However, if you keep pretending to believe, eventually your brain will erode and you will believe. I've heard this called "fake it 'til you make it." > So, in order for the magic of the Bible to work you have to > suspend all common sense, stop thinking, pretend to > believe and you will start believing. (as written in another > post this god thing will then send you something called > the "Holy Spirit" which is this god thing anyway which > will give you the gift of believing itself). So, if you pretend to > believe you will be given the gift of believing (means you have > convinced yourself) and your mind will be so deluded as > to start seeing whatever you want to see. > > Well no thanks, the first step to withdrawl from reality > and self-delusion is a semi-detached state that can only > leads to madness. Some of the Christians who post > here are clearly beyond half mad already and > completely detached from this world. I think I will > keeep my sanity the best I can thank you and cling like > mad to reality like my life depends upon it. > > >Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. > > "Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice; > Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment." > > - Shakespeare Hamlet Act 1 scene II > > here is the complete passage: > > "Look thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue, > Nor any unproportion'd thought his act. > Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar: > Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried, > Grapple them unto thy soul with hoops of steel; > But do not dull thy palm with entertainment > Of each new-hatch'd, unfledg'd comrade. Beware > Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in, > Bear't that th' opposed may beware of thee. > > Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice; > Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment. > Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy, > But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy; > For the apparel oft proclaims the man, > And they in France of the best rank and station > Are most select and generous, chief in that. > Neither a borrower nor a lender be; > For loan oft loses both itself and friend, > And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. > This above all- to thine own self be true, > And it must follow, as the night the day, > Thou canst not then be false to any man. > Farewell. My blessing season this in thee!" Ah, the Bard. <Smile> I'll take William over Jesus any day. > > > Don't > >over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. > > = Turn off your brain and become stupid and > suggestible. Oly then can you swallow our > nonesense whole. > > Yes a very revealing suggestion. > > > Find out what is truth for ourself. > > Well said! This is why I am not a Christian swallowing your nonesense > whole just on your say so. > > This is course something we constantly do here on aa and which > causes your kind the greatest anxiety. The thing you fear most > is doubt and that you might loose your 'faith'. Precious to you > but worthless to anybody else. Well, once again into the > breech dear friends (more of the bard :-) That's because they're scared shitless of dying and having to be dead. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that their consciousness will one day cease. The wanna Live Forever. They are, at best, craven cowards, and at worst, mentally unbalanced. Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding skyeyes at dakotacom dot net Quote
Guest bob young Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 rockymt wrote: > n > "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > > > > "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > > news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > >> > >> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>> Short for nothing. > >>> > >>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > >>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... > > > > > >>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is > >>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the > >>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. > >> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, > >> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), > >> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it > >> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth > >> the newness of life. > > > > The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid > > objective verifiable evidence > > . Should we believe in a god for whom there > > is NO solid objective evidence? > > <>><><>< > ><><>< > this is a question only you can ask yourself. > Is Jesus the only begotten son of God : true God, true man? > Did He come out of the grave, did He ascend to heaven to be with his > father? No - what you quote is merely mythology with nothing to back it up. > > what does this all mean to me? > it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out > Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only begotten > Son, so I may have eternal life? > Go to the Word of God.... there's no words from any gods ever recorded, it all comes from the human mind > > in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a little > everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to reveal > what those words say. I would ask the higher power why two thousand kids were allowed to be swept out to sea to drown in the tsunami two Cristmases back - and all i would hear would be a terrible silence > > > The evidence available is quite the > > contrary. It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is > > <><>< > <><>..... > based purely on > > faith > > Right! Stop reasoning. you'll never understand it with your mind. You must > come to God in faith. > > <><><> > <><> > in totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable > > evidence of any kind. > > > > > > > > The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of > > unknown veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years. > > There are NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have > > rotted and disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the > > originals said. > > <><><><><> > what is impossible for man is very possible with God. God can and did > preserve is Holy Word. Again you must come to this truth by faith, trusting. > Faith is caught not taught. > ><><>< > ]<><><><> > > The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, > > contradictions and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions alone > > of the English Bible interpretations. > > <><><> > <><>< > so says the carnal mind. Mmm. > God through man has supernaturally preserved the book s in the Bible, and > don't ask me to provide truth. All I can say is that it still changes lives, > and it can yours too. > > <><>< > > > > > > > > > According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth and > > everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during > > this time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's RIBS. > > > > > > > > According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly > > created this huge complex Universe in six days! > > > > > > > > This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named > > Jesus to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach > > his wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has > > existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years to > > come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he himself > > created!)? > > <><><> > > <><><>, > > The Bible says he came in the fullness of time > God's ways, God's reasons for the specifics of His salvation plan are really > not for me to question > the Cross ( the atoning death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ) and > the cleansing blood of Christ Jesus, washed my sins, therefore I am made > (imputed) righteous in God's eyes John : 3: 16 > That is where to begin. The others more heavier Theological questions > shouldn't really concern the new believer...just yet. unless he is looking > to find fault and not really interested in salvation of his soul. > <>><><>,. > > > > > > > > > This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to Earth > > as a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a > > virgin called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous > > way? > <>><>< > Arrogant humans had to make up a myth > about a god arriving from the womb of another human. > > ><><><> > <><> > Arrogant humans keep insisting it is a myth, because they hate the terms of > salvation. God Jesus died for the Church. > He has used man to spread the message of His redemptive plan. God said NO to > sin: it has to go, and YES to sinful man. People that hate Christianity,do > so because they love the sin and do not want to deal with their sinful > condition. Just read the opening Chapter of John. sinful man love the > darkness they are in and refuse to come into the light of God's truth, so > they do what is convenient. They point out what appears to look like > man-made errors in the Bible. > > ><<><><> > > Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of > > Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be married > > to a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all > > powerful god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to > > create? He supposedly created the Universe and everything in it! > > ><><><><> > <><><> > Joseph was the earthly parent of Jesus while He was growing up. God is also > pro-family. Why should Mary, the mother of Jesus, been a single mom (we're > speaking here of earthly parents)? > > Mary had to be a virgin: she was concieved by the power of the Holy Spirit> > Again thenatural mind doesnot accept this and calls it nonsense. > I call it amasing ...by faith. > > <<><><> > ,><><>< > > > > > > > > > If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did he > > use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth??? > > <><><> > ,.<><><<>< > All childbirth has been painful since the fall in Genesis 3. the curse of > mankind > > The cross was torturous. God the father laid all the sins of mankind on the > incarnated Son,God-man. Again this goes into Christian theology. > > He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an > > adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. After > > about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants that > > he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and > > commands. > > <><><><> > ,><><><> > > The New Test deals primarily with the earthly ministry of Christ Jesus. His > childhood accounts wouldn't be relevant to a believer... really if you think > about it, as much as when He was speaking of the Kingdom to the cross. > > <>><><., > <>><><>< > ,.<>><><><>< > ><><><><><><><>< > <>><><><><><><><><><><>< > ><<>><><><<><><><><><><>><><<>><>< > > > > > > > > >> What about you... what do you want to believe... what do you believe to > >> be truth and fables? > >> The Kingdom of Heaven is like a hidden treasure...Seek Him while you may. > >> > >> rockymt > >> > > > > Quote
Guest bob young Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Kenneth Doyle" <nobody@notmail.com> wrote in message > news:ZJtXi.8771$CN4.7647@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:17:25 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote: > >> > >> Love isn't an "un-provable premise", and we believe in it, and > >> anyone who demonstrates it, as Christ did on the cross of Calvary. > > > > There's no proof that that event ever happened, or that Christ ever > > existed. > > > Glad you evidence, that you WOULD believe if you were certain the event > had taken place. The Holy Spirit is in the habit of convincing people like > you. Reminds me of Adolf Hitler: "Tell the masses a big lie and tell that lie often enough and sooner or later they will believe it" > Praise the Lord!!!!! Praising 'common sense' would be time better spent > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
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