Guest Bill M Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 GOOD LOGIC AND EVIDENCE! "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:47314E72.369EDF1C@netvigator.com... > > > rockymt wrote: > >> n >> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >> > >> > "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >> > news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >> >> >> >> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> >> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >>> Short for nothing. >> >>> >> >>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >> >>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... >> > >> > >> >>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is >> >>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the >> >>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. >> >> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy >> >> Spirit, >> >> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >> >> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made >> >> it >> >> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on >> >> earth >> >> the newness of life. >> > >> > The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any >> > solid >> > objective verifiable evidence >> >> . Should we believe in a god for whom there >> > is NO solid objective evidence? >> >> <>><><>< >> ><><>< >> this is a question only you can ask yourself. >> Is Jesus the only begotten son of God : true God, true man? >> Did He come out of the grave, did He ascend to heaven to be with his >> father? > > No - what you quote is merely mythology with nothing to back it up. > >> >> what does this all mean to me? >> it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out >> Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only begotten >> Son, so I may have eternal life? >> Go to the Word of God.... > > there's no words from any gods ever recorded, it all comes from the human > mind > >> >> in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a little >> everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to >> reveal >> what those words say. > > I would ask the higher power why two thousand kids were allowed to be > swept out > to sea to drown in the tsunami two Cristmases back - and all i would hear > would > be a terrible silence > >> >> >> The evidence available is quite the >> > contrary. It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is >> >> <><>< >> <><>..... >> based purely on >> > faith >> >> Right! Stop reasoning. you'll never understand it with your mind. You >> must >> come to God in faith. >> >> <><><> >> <><> >> in totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable >> > evidence of any kind. >> > >> > >> > >> > The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of >> > unknown veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands >> > years. >> > There are NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have >> > rotted and disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the >> > originals said. >> >> <><><><><> >> what is impossible for man is very possible with God. God can and did >> preserve is Holy Word. Again you must come to this truth by faith, >> trusting. >> Faith is caught not taught. >> ><><>< >> ]<><><><> >> >> The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, >> > contradictions and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions >> > alone >> > of the English Bible interpretations. >> >> <><><> >> <><>< >> so says the carnal mind. Mmm. >> God through man has supernaturally preserved the book s in the Bible, and >> don't ask me to provide truth. All I can say is that it still changes >> lives, >> and it can yours too. >> >> <><>< >> >> > >> > >> > >> > According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth >> > and >> > everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during >> > this time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's >> > RIBS. >> > >> > >> > >> > According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly >> > created this huge complex Universe in six days! >> > >> > >> > >> > This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named >> > Jesus to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to >> > preach >> > his wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man >> > has >> > existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years >> > to >> > come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he >> > himself >> > created!)? >> >> <><><> >> >> <><><>, >> >> The Bible says he came in the fullness of time >> God's ways, God's reasons for the specifics of His salvation plan are >> really >> not for me to question >> the Cross ( the atoning death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ) >> and >> the cleansing blood of Christ Jesus, washed my sins, therefore I am made >> (imputed) righteous in God's eyes John : 3: 16 >> That is where to begin. The others more heavier Theological questions >> shouldn't really concern the new believer...just yet. unless he is >> looking >> to find fault and not really interested in salvation of his soul. >> <>><><>,. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to >> > Earth >> > as a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a >> > virgin called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous >> > way? >> <>><>< >> Arrogant humans had to make up a myth >> about a god arriving from the womb of another human. >> >> ><><><> >> <><> >> Arrogant humans keep insisting it is a myth, because they hate the terms >> of >> salvation. God Jesus died for the Church. >> He has used man to spread the message of His redemptive plan. God said NO >> to >> sin: it has to go, and YES to sinful man. People that hate >> Christianity,do >> so because they love the sin and do not want to deal with their sinful >> condition. Just read the opening Chapter of John. sinful man love the >> darkness they are in and refuse to come into the light of God's truth, so >> they do what is convenient. They point out what appears to look like >> man-made errors in the Bible. >> >> ><<><><> >> >> Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of >> > Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be >> > married >> > to a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all >> > powerful god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to >> > create? He supposedly created the Universe and everything in it! >> >> ><><><><> >> <><><> >> Joseph was the earthly parent of Jesus while He was growing up. God is >> also >> pro-family. Why should Mary, the mother of Jesus, been a single mom >> (we're >> speaking here of earthly parents)? >> >> Mary had to be a virgin: she was concieved by the power of the Holy >> Spirit> >> Again thenatural mind doesnot accept this and calls it nonsense. >> I call it amasing ...by faith. >> >> <<><><> >> ,><><>< >> >> > >> > >> > >> > If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did >> > he >> > use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth??? >> >> <><><> >> ,.<><><<>< >> All childbirth has been painful since the fall in Genesis 3. the curse of >> mankind >> >> The cross was torturous. God the father laid all the sins of mankind on >> the >> incarnated Son,God-man. Again this goes into Christian theology. >> >> He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an >> > adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. >> > After >> > about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants >> > that >> > he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and >> > commands. >> >> <><><><> >> ,><><><> >> >> The New Test deals primarily with the earthly ministry of Christ Jesus. >> His >> childhood accounts wouldn't be relevant to a believer... really if you >> think >> about it, as much as when He was speaking of the Kingdom to the cross. >> >> <>><><., >> <>><><>< >> ,.<>><><><>< >> ><><><><><><><>< >> <>><><><><><><><><><><>< >> ><<>><><><<><><><><><><>><><<>><>< >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> What about you... what do you want to believe... what do you believe >> >> to >> >> be truth and fables? >> >> The Kingdom of Heaven is like a hidden treasure...Seek Him while you >> >> may. >> >> >> >> rockymt >> >> >> > >> > > Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 On 6 Nov., 05:18, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote: > "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > > news:fgm4ig$sm0$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > > > > > > > > > "Kenneth Doyle" <nob...@notmail.com> wrote in message > >news:EDrXi.8729$CN4.6939@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote: > > >>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, > >>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), > >>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made > >>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on > >>> earth the newness of life. > > >> Prove it. > > > <><>><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><><>< > ><><><><<><> > > Nov 5 Monday: > > listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go > to the Word of God, and see for yourself. Are you really so simple minded to say the above to an atheist? Amazing. > Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't > over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. Find out what is truth for > yourself. Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep > you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you. > He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying). > May God Bless you. > rockymt May you gain a brain. > <><> > <><> > > snip Quote
Guest les_on_usenet Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:21:56 -0800, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >On 6 Nov., 05:18, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote: >> "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:fgm4ig$sm0$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Kenneth Doyle" <nob...@notmail.com> wrote in message >> >news:EDrXi.8729$CN4.6939@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote: >> >> >>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, >> >>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >> >>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made >> >>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on >> >>> earth the newness of life. >> >> >> Prove it. >> >> > <><>><><><><><><><> >> <><><><><><><><><>< >> ><><><><<><> >> > Nov 5 Monday: >> >> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go >> to the Word of God, and see for yourself. > >Are you really so simple minded to say the above to an atheist? >Amazing. We seem to have a rash of very naive posters at the moment with very similar agendas and language making emotional appeals to us to be stupid and just believe. Is there some agenda here? > >> Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't >> over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. Find out what is truth for >> yourself. Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep >> you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you. >> He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying). >> May God Bless you. >> rockymt > >May you gain a brain. disamen Les Hellawell Greetings from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message news:1194391157.206484.226360@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 6, 3:46 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com> > wrote: >> >> Suggested entry to Christospeak Dictionary: >> "The Word of God" = magic like 'Abracadabra', anybody who reads the >> puported 'word of God' (claimed to be that bundled book of ancient >> Israelite myths and Fables known as the Bible) will be instantly >> transformed into a believer. > The word "God" has a well defined meaning, and it means whatever or whoever is central to your life in a positive way. If what is central is negative, i.e. a drug addiction, or alcohol which makes you steal and lie, then it's called a devil. It's title, not a proper name. > Well, not instantly, but you're close. They actually believe that the > biblical quotes will act on our brains somehow. If I remember > correctly, the phrase they use is "sowing the seed." They believe > that if we hear the bible enough, that one day we'll wake up and be > "convicted" (shades of Chunkers!) of "the truth of god's word." > >> Of course before this magic works you have to, "Open your heart >> to god" which is Christospeak for "you need to pretend to believe >> and if you pretend to believe hard enough you will believe" > > Like our lil buddy rocky pointed out upthread, they want you to > suspend the working of your rational mind and allow emotion to take > over. Very insidious. > And yes, if you have to pretend to believe, well, that means you > want to believe but that naughty old brain of yours just won't shut > off. However, if you keep pretending to believe, eventually your > brain will erode and you will believe. I've heard this called "fake > it 'til you make it." > You miss the point. Jesus knew, that people do what they feel like, and that their quality of actions is a direct result of how they feel about something. Therefore, the logical way to change people's behaviour for the better is change how they feel about things, ..and Jesus does that very well, and more. Ask Him into your life and let Him handle your case. You will feel yourself relax in trust of Him. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message news:1194390692.623088.269890@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 5, 9:18 pm, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote: >> >> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. >> Go >> to the Word of God, and see for yourself. > > I've read the bible, rocky-me-dear. I read it through the first time > the year I turned eight. I read it through every year thereafter > until I was 22. I have read several different translations, including > the KJV and the Douay. I have read it in German, Spanish, and Demotic > (Modern) Greek. > The bible is nothing but a hodge-podge of Bronze and Iron Age > mythology. It isn't factual. It isn't historical. It qualifies as > literature, had some interesting (if lugubrious) poetry and some > pretty nice soft porn, but it doesn't qualify as "true." > >> Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't >> over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. > > Why? Rationality is the most human of human characteristics. > Rationality makes us what we are. To deny rationality is to deny our > humanity. Urging us to deny our rationality means that you're playing > into the old, old con game of "don't think, just do as I tell you." > Well, fuck you. > If your beliefs cannot stand up to reason, don't blame reason. Blame > the silliness of your beliefs. > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in John 3:3) You have to be an atheist to look for "reasonable" and "rational" love. LOL -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message news:1194389707.345200.327320@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 4, 4:36 am, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> Short for nothing. > > "Nada" is Spanish for "nothing," actually. > No. NADA is Bill's god or devil. It means without, such as being "without" God. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message news:fgqp9b$14c$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >> "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >> news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >>> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >>>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... >> >>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is >>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the >>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. >>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit, >>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made >>> it >>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth >>> the newness of life. >> >> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid >> objective verifiable evidence > > Should we believe in a god for whom there is NO solid objective evidence? > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in John 3:3) Only atheists ask for "objective and verifiable evidence" of love. They probably got into the habit coercing their girlfriends to prove their love by some action we all can guess. LOL -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest bob young Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 Olrik wrote: > On Nov 3, 5:34 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: > > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > > > news:HS2Xi.1763$di.1627@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > > > > > Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone > > > to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists. > > > > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in > > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We > > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > > John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, verifiable > > evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't you? > > Bill is not asking for money. Xians, on the other hand, seem to have > an insatiable need for it. Go figure... > > > You will just have to believe us, > > That would be NO . > > > that we answer your posts because we > > love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, whose > > essence is that very love and care we show others. "Excuse me, but may I point something out to you? That love and care for others can be done quite well on your own, like I do, there's no need for any gods." > > > lol > > Olrik Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:47327FB8.D1B326C0@netvigator.com... > Olrik wrote: >> On Nov 3, 5:34 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> > news:HS2Xi.1763$di.1627@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >> > > >> > > Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge >> > > anyone >> > > to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually >> > > exists. >> > >> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested >> > in >> > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We >> > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) >> > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >> > John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, >> > verifiable >> > evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't >> > you? >> >> Bill is not asking for money. Xians, on the other hand, seem to have >> an insatiable need for it. Go figure... >> >> > You will just have to believe us, >> >> That would be NO . >> >> > that we answer your posts because we >> > love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, >> > whose >> > essence is that very love and care we show others. > > "Excuse me, but may I point something out to you? > That love and care for others can be done quite well on your own, like I > do, there's no need for any gods." > Why do you keep telling us the same redundancies over and over? We already conceeded, that no god(s) of your definition are needed, nor exist i.e. old man in the sky above them thar clouds, but our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in John 3:3) You Bob don't know any love and care for others, otherwise you would honour those like Christ who sacrifice their lives for the wellbeing of others. "like I do" indeed!!!! -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest rockymt Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:47324513$0$26448$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > news:fgqp9b$14c$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >>> "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >>> news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >>>> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... >>> >>>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is >>>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the >>>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. >>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy >>>> Spirit, >>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made >>>> it >>>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth >>>> the newness of life. >>> >>> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid >>> objective verifiable evidence >> >> Should we believe in a god for whom there is NO solid objective evidence? >> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > John 3:3) Only atheists ask for "objective and verifiable evidence" of > love. They probably got into the habit coercing their girlfriends to prove > their love by some action we all can guess. LOL ,.<><><><> Gospel of John 24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." 26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." 28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" 29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." rockymt > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Quote
Guest rockymt Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message news:fgvabt$rm1$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message > news:47324513$0$26448$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >> news:fgqp9b$14c$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >>> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >>>> "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... >>>>> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>>>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... >>>> >>>>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is >>>>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the >>>>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. >>>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy >>>>> Spirit, >>>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), >>>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made >>>>> it >>>>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on >>>>> earth >>>>> the newness of life. >>>> >>>> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any >>>> solid >>>> objective verifiable evidence >>> >>> Should we believe in a god for whom there is NO solid objective >>> evidence? >>> >> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in >> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We >> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >> John 3:3) Only atheists ask for "objective and verifiable evidence" of >> love. They probably got into the habit coercing their girlfriends to >> prove their love by some action we all can guess. LOL > > > ,.<><><><> > Gospel of John 20 > > 24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the > disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have > seen the Lord!" > But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and > put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will > not believe it." > 26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with > them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and > said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger > here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop > doubting and believe." > > 28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" > > 29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; > blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." > > > > rockymt > > > > > > > >> >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > Quote
Guest Kenneth Doyle Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:31:04 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote: > "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message > news:1194390692.623088.269890@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> On Nov 5, 9:18 pm, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote: >>> >>> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. >>> Go >>> to the Word of God, and see for yourself. >> >> I've read the bible, rocky-me-dear. I read it through the first time >> the year I turned eight. I read it through every year thereafter until >> I was 22. I have read several different translations, including the >> KJV and the Douay. I have read it in German, Spanish, and Demotic >> (Modern) Greek. >> The bible is nothing but a hodge-podge of Bronze and Iron Age >> mythology. It isn't factual. It isn't historical. It qualifies as >> literature, had some interesting (if lugubrious) poetry and some pretty >> nice soft porn, but it doesn't qualify as "true." >> >>> Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't >>> over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. >> >> Why? Rationality is the most human of human characteristics. >> Rationality makes us what we are. To deny rationality is to deny our >> humanity. Urging us to deny our rationality means that you're playing >> into the old, old con game of "don't think, just do as I tell you." >> Well, fuck you. >> If your beliefs cannot stand up to reason, don't blame reason. Blame >> the silliness of your beliefs. >> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully > manifested > in > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > John 3:3) You have to be an atheist to look for "reasonable" and > "rational" love. LOL Yeah, very funny. Why is this god of yours suddenly all too human when it comes to the tricky questions? Quote
Guest bob young Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > news:47327FB8.D1B326C0@netvigator.com... > > Olrik wrote: > >> On Nov 3, 5:34 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: > >> > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >> > news:HS2Xi.1763$di.1627@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > >> > > > >> > > Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge > >> > > anyone > >> > > to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually > >> > > exists. > >> > > >> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested > >> > in > >> > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We > >> > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > >> > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > >> > John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, > >> > verifiable > >> > evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't > >> > you? > >> > >> Bill is not asking for money. Xians, on the other hand, seem to have > >> an insatiable need for it. Go figure... > >> > >> > You will just have to believe us, > >> > >> That would be NO . > >> > >> > that we answer your posts because we > >> > love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, > >> > whose > >> > essence is that very love and care we show others. > > > > "Excuse me, but may I point something out to you? > > That love and care for others can be done quite well on your own, like I > > do, there's no need for any gods." > > > Why do you keep telling us the same redundancies over and over? Simple - because you keep on claiming your god is love and those who do not follow it are immoral and cannot care for others. I would have thought that was plainly obvious. > We > already conceeded, that no god(s) of your definition are needed, nor exist > i.e. old man in the sky above them thar clouds, but our Christian "God is > love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His > life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and > have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > John 3:3) You Bob don't know any love and care for others, otherwise you > would honour those like Christ who sacrifice their lives for the wellbeing > of others. "like I do" indeed!!!! > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 On 8 Nov., 16:38, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote: > "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in message > > news:47324513$0$26448$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > > > > > > "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > >news:fgqp9b$14c$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > >> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >>news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > >>> "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > >>>news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > >>>> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >>>>news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>>> "bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message > >>>>>news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... > > >>>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is > >>>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the > >>>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. > >>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy > >>>> Spirit, > >>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), > >>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made > >>>> it > >>>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth > >>>> the newness of life. > > >>> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid > >>> objective verifiable evidence > > >> Should we believe in a god for whom there is NO solid objective evidence? > > > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in > > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We > > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > > John 3:3) Only atheists ask for "objective and verifiable evidence" of > > love. They probably got into the habit coercing their girlfriends to prove > > their love by some action we all can guess. LOL > > ,.<><><><> > Gospel of John > > 24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the > disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen > the Lord!" > But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put > my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not > believe it." > 26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with > them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and > said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; > see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and > believe." > > 28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" > > 29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; > blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." > > rockymt Gosh, that is really convincing. It is all so clear now. Thank you so very much. > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest bob young Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 rockymt wrote: > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message > news:47324513$0$26448$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > > news:fgqp9b$14c$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > >> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >> news:u2tXi.3072$di.2705@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > >>> "rockymt" <rockymt@porchlight.ca> wrote in message > >>> news:fglf01$7qp$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net... > >>>> "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > >>>> news:JymXi.50308$q7.34560@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:D5A.6455871@netvigator.com... > >>> > >>>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is > >>>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the > >>>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today. > >>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy > >>>> Spirit, > >>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space), > >>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made > >>>> it > >>>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth > >>>> the newness of life. > >>> > >>> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid > >>> objective verifiable evidence > >> > >> Should we believe in a god for whom there is NO solid objective evidence? > >> > > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in > > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We > > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > > John 3:3) Only atheists ask for "objective and verifiable evidence" of > > love. They probably got into the habit coercing their girlfriends to prove > > their love by some action we all can guess. LOL > > ,.<><><><> > Gospel of John > > 24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the > disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen > the Lord!" > But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put > my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not > believe it." > 26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with > them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and > said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; > see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and > believe." > > 28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" > > 29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; > blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Nice primitive story, which is all it is, if one is prepared to use common sense and intelligence. Back then they spoke aramaic. Assuming the story was written down on a piece of goat skin at the time it would have been translated, again and again until we reach the Latin version about1,400 years later - eventually it made it into the English [commercial] version. And you fools quote the English version which has no relevance at all to what happened so long ago due to so many variables Groan [that's not my name it's something i cannot avoid doing when religionists make their silly claims] > > > rockymt > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Quote
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