Guest * US * Posted November 12, 2007 Posted November 12, 2007 On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:31:27 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >...this lie? Seriously? How many times ... You haven't successfully disputed the statement so much as once, as of yet. Go ahead and give it a shot. On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:20:41 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >... Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking >about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I ... Why do you admire those who do such things? Note that the desperate bushkultie is utterly incapable of refuting anything said at the link given: "When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest Richard Nixon's price and wage controls" http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014565.html Quote
Guest Friendly Fred Posted November 13, 2007 Posted November 13, 2007 US wrote: >On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:31:27 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >>...this lie? Seriously? How many times ... >You haven't successfully disputed the statement so much as once, as of yet. What's to "dispute?" You're expressing your ignorant, gullible rube mentality by trying to play pretend that this god damned fucking traitor is some how different than all the rest. All you're doing is proclaiming your buttfuck religious, unevidenced belief, just like any other brainless cultist. --- "Every time the Iraqi people stop to reload, the Republicans declare "Mission Accomplished" -- SK Quote
Guest * US * Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:08:16 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >... ignorant, gullible ... You're also too scared to take it up with Lew Rockwell, aren't you. On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:31:27 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >...this lie? Seriously? How many times ... You haven't successfully disputed the statement so much as once, as of yet. Go ahead and give it a shot. On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:20:41 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >... Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking >about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I ... Why do you admire those who do such things? Note that the desperate bushkultie is utterly incapable of refuting anything said at the link given: "When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest Richard Nixon's price and wage controls" http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014565.html Quote
Guest Friendly Fred Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 US wrote: >On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:08:16 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >>... ignorant, gullible ... >You're also too scared to take it up with >Lew Rockwell, aren't you. Try again: What's to "dispute?" You're expressing your ignorant, gullible rube mentality by trying to play pretend that this god damned fucking traitor is some how different than all the rest. All you're doing is proclaiming your buttfuck religious, unevidenced belief, just like any other brainless cultist. --- Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it! Quote
Guest last_post@rogers.com Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote: > Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media > > By Brent Budowsky > Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm > > The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign > that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal. ROFLMAO Ron Paul -- nothing but a treacherous fool. > > Please note: Rep. Paul (R-Texas) would cut or end many of the programs that > serve the children, the poor and the seniors and turn those responsibilities > over to the free market. Bad idea. Quote
Guest William Flax Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in the rule of law, not the whims of politicians. When you insult him, you make one doubt your intellectual integrity. You might not agree with him on all issues, but you have to respect his integrity and principles. And, he is the only candidate who appears to understand foreign policy, also. <last_post@rogers.com> wrote in message news:eddd6fe7-e7a5-4874-974e-5fef287cde86@i37g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> > wrote: >> Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media >> >> By Brent Budowsky >> Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm >> >> The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign >> that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal. > > ROFLMAO > Ron Paul -- nothing but a treacherous fool. >> >> Please note: Rep. Paul (R-Texas) would cut or end many of the programs >> that >> serve the children, the poor and the seniors and turn those >> responsibilities >> over to the free market. Bad idea. > > Quote
Guest Click@Knicklas.com Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:13:00 -0500, "William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: >Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in the rule of law, not the whims >of politicians. No, Paul believes HIS interpretation of what is a "rule of law" is correct. Are you now suggesting that Ron Paul is not a politician And are you suggesting that babbling Political concepts isn't the mark of a politician You'd then have to agree that you're merely accepting one politician pandering to your particular "beliefs" over that of other politicians Ron Paul does not believe in a "rule of law"----he believes in almost erasing a rule of law by removing the laws and protections put in place by generations of Learning. Why? Because HE ain't in a majory, can't have his way, and rails (almost daily) against the government who's paid his way for decades. >When you insult him, you make one doubt your intellectual >integrity. You might not agree with him on all issues, but you have to >respect his integrity and principles. Why would ANYONE "respect" a politician who wants to return to a time in our history that failed to protect us from wealth and power (both individual and corporate), shitcan all the years of policy that FINALLY broke the disasters visited on us by the wealthy and business interests? >And, he is the only candidate who appears to understand foreign policy, >also. Bullshit His only "understanding" is to sit back and throw bombs at government Why not learn what the concept of "less government" actually did from 1850---1930----then explain why you'd want to go back Quote
Guest Mamamia Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com>, Click@Knicklas.com wrote: > Ron Paul does not believe in a "rule of law"----he > believes in almost erasing a rule of law by removing > the laws and protections put in place by generations of > Learning. > > Why? Because HE ain't in a majory, can't have his way, > and rails (almost daily) against the government who's > paid his way for decades. Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then re-read it: Ron Paul: 10. He is Pro-Life As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics, he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the states, not the federal government. 9. His support for Privacy and Property rights Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns. Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would destroy homes and other private property in its path. 8. Views on 9/11 Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement. 7. Military Service Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid injured pilots and aircraftmen. 6. He opposed the War in Iraq Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the constitution. 5. He supports Free Trade Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO, national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion, discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole. 4. Never had a congressional pension Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The "immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in the legislative body of the federal government. He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or medicare. 3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making decisions and taking stances on the political issues. 2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency. These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in the program or not. 1. Impressive Voting Record According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website: He has never voted to raise taxes. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. He has never voted to raise congressional pay. He has never taken a government-paid junket. He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. He voted against the Patriot Act. He voted against regulating the Internet. He voted against the Iraq war. -- All that we have to do is to send two Mujahedin to the farthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qa'ida in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, & political losses...we alongside the Mujahedin bled Russia for ten years until it went bankrupt & was forced to withdraw in defeat. So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy.--Osama Bin Laden Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 Mamamia wrote: > In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com>, > Click@Knicklas.com wrote: > >> Ron Paul does not believe in a "rule of law"----he >> believes in almost erasing a rule of law by removing >> the laws and protections put in place by generations of >> Learning. >> >> Why? Because HE ain't in a majory, can't have his way, >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's >> paid his way for decades. > > Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then > re-read it: > > Ron Paul: > 10. He is Pro-Life > As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in > politics, he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political > choices concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided > by the states, not the federal government. > > 9. His support for Privacy and Property rights > Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's > privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns. > > Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as > another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would > destroy homes and other private property in its path. > > 8. Views on 9/11 > Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the > U.S.'s involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they > were personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their > citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his > political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement. > > 7. Military Service > Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical > training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era > before running for congress. Along with his previous medical > experience, he served as a flight surgeon in the military during the > 1960's to aid injured pilots and aircraftmen. > > 6. He opposed the War in Iraq > Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to > not take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress > should be the only body to have the power to declare war, as written > in the constitution. > > 5. He supports Free Trade > Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO, > national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations > such as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's > opinion, discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a > whole. > > 4. Never had a congressional pension > Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise > congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The > "immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served > in the legislative body of the federal government. > > He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the > U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or > medicare. > > 3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates > Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses > common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for > making decisions and taking stances on the political issues. > > 2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax > If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United > States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform > concerning our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the > 16th amendment was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the > Federal Reserve and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to > those organizations in loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal > spending (the loss of income would be covered through federal > downsizing and reformation) and want to return to the "gold and > silver standard" of hard currency. > > These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The > congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in > the program or not. > > 1. Impressive Voting Record > According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website: > > He has never voted to raise taxes. > He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. > He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. > He has never voted to raise congressional pay. > He has never taken a government-paid junket. > He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. > > He voted against the Patriot Act. > He voted against regulating the Internet. > He voted against the Iraq war. No government, state or federal should intervene in a woman's right to choose her destiny, none! Ron Paul is an extremist nut case Quote
Guest ahso#1 Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 <last_post@rogers.com> wrote in message news:eddd6fe7-e7a5-4874-974e-5fef287cde86@i37g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> > wrote: >> Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media >> >> By Brent Budowsky >> Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm >> >> The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign >> that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal. > > ROFLMAO > Ron Paul -- nothing but a treacherous fool. Watch him pull a Ross Perot to insure a victory for Hillary . Never say never . >> >> Please note: Rep. Paul (R-Texas) would cut or end many of the programs >> that >> serve the children, the poor and the seniors and turn those >> responsibilities >> over to the free market. Bad idea. > > Quote
Guest Joseph Pothier Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Very good rebuttal post. Thank You. Yours, JP Click@Knicklas.com wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:13:00 -0500, "William Flax" > <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: > > >>Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in the rule of law, not the whims >>of politicians. > > > No, Paul believes HIS interpretation of what is a "rule > of law" is correct. > > Are you now suggesting that Ron Paul is not a > politician > > And are you suggesting that babbling Political concepts > isn't the mark of a politician > > You'd then have to agree that you're merely accepting > one politician pandering to your particular "beliefs" > over that of other politicians > > Ron Paul does not believe in a "rule of law"----he > believes in almost erasing a rule of law by removing > the laws and protections put in place by generations of > Learning. > > Why? Because HE ain't in a majory, can't have his way, > and rails (almost daily) against the government who's > paid his way for decades. > > >>When you insult him, you make one doubt your intellectual >>integrity. You might not agree with him on all issues, but you have to >>respect his integrity and principles. > > > Why would ANYONE "respect" a politician who wants to > return to a time in our history that failed to protect > us from wealth and power (both individual and > corporate), shitcan all the years of policy that > FINALLY broke the disasters visited on us by the > wealthy and business interests? > > >>And, he is the only candidate who appears to understand foreign policy, >>also. > > > Bullshit > > His only "understanding" is to sit back and throw bombs > at government > > Why not learn what the concept of "less government" > actually did from 1850---1930----then explain why you'd > want to go back Quote
Guest last_post@rogers.com Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, "William Flax" <krtq7...@prodigy.net> wrote: > Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in the rule of law, not the whims > of politicians. When you insult him, you make one doubt your intellectual > integrity. You might not agree with him on all issues, but you have to > respect his integrity and principles. Idiot top posters never have anything to say that makes sense. On Nov 12 I posted the article below showing that Paul has sold out to big money democrats to disrupt the GOP primaries. Ron Paul has neither integrity not principles > Where's All That Money Coming From? At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul's financial support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian Politics Live. In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; "Please refrain in the future from using the label "Libertarian Republican" in describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist leftwinger." Dondero continued, "Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating nutball." These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 - 2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money. Where Is All That Money Coming From? Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul's money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans. Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, "Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans." According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at http://www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul's top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul. Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of "spamming" or "jamming" online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well. Among Ron Paul's top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles - Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas. What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle. This Is Why His Fund-Raising Is Not Translating To Improved Poll Positions His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises. USA Today reports, "The Iowa Republican Party put out an advisory Tuesday setting standards for participation in a Dec. 4 debate. Sponsors said participants need to average 5% support among Republicans in recent national or Iowa polls -- and so far, Texas Rep. Ron Paul is one of the candidates not making the cut." In Pollster.com's latest averaging of national poll results of Republicans, Paul's support comes in at 2.7%. The website calculates Paul's support among Republicans in Iowa, based on polls there, to be 3.8%. Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind shocker at the Republican convention. How? Here's Where The Ron Paul Campaign Becomes Dangerous Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter's from the left can vote in the Republican primary. Twenty four states have "open" primaries, which means, one need not be Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters are promoting both strategies - one in which Democrats, Independents, and members of other third parties can vote for him in "open" primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the primaries are "closed." The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is coming from people other than Republicans. The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to Republican to Participate in Primaries. "As you may realize, there are many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul: Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of these people may not realize that they NEED to change party affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many States." (A direct quote from the site) So, How Republican Is Republican Candidate Ron Paul? If he's funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very... The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less spending. Of course, we can't entirely overlook the handful of moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they are. Quote
Guest * US * Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:50:40 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >... ignorant, gullible... religious, unevidenced belief ... You even believe Bush when he claims that God speaks through him. On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:08:16 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >... ignorant, gullible ... You're also too scared to take it up with Lew Rockwell, aren't you. On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:31:27 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >...this lie? Seriously? How many times ... You haven't successfully disputed the statement so much as once, as of yet. Go ahead and give it a shot. On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:20:41 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >... Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking >about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I ... Why do you admire those who do such things? Note that the desperate bushkultie is utterly incapable of refuting anything said at the link given: "When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest Richard Nixon's price and wage controls" http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014565.html Quote
Guest * US * Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia <replytome@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote: >In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com>, Click@Knicklas.com wrote: >> ... HE ain't in a majory [sic], can't have his way, >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's >> paid his way for decades. > >Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then >re-read it: > >Ron Paul: >10. He is Pro-Life >As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics, >he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices >concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the >states, not the federal government. > >9. His support for Privacy and Property rights >Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's >privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns. > >Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as >another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would >destroy homes and other private property in its path. > >8. Views on 9/11 >Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s >involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were >personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their >citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his >political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement. > >7. Military Service >Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical >training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before >running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he >served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid >injured pilots and aircraftmen. > >6. He opposed the War in Iraq >Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not >take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be >the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the >constitution. > >5. He supports Free Trade >Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO, >national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such >as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion, >discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole. > >4. Never had a congressional pension >Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise >congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The >"immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in >the legislative body of the federal government. > >He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the >U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or >medicare. > >3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates >Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses >common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making >decisions and taking stances on the political issues. > >2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax >If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United >States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning >our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment >was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve >and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in >loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income >would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to >return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency. > >These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The >congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in >the program or not. > >1. Impressive Voting Record >According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website: > >He has never voted to raise taxes. >He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. >He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. >He has never voted to raise congressional pay. >He has never taken a government-paid junket. >He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. > >He voted against the Patriot Act. >He voted against regulating the Internet. >He voted against the Iraq war. Thanks for posting that. Quote
Guest A Veteran Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 In article <t4f0k3l77ar2mmpu898ja1v59d532actna@4ax.com>, US wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia > <replytome@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote: > > >In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com>, Click@Knicklas.com > >wrote: > >> ... HE ain't in a majory [sic], can't have his way, > >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's > >> paid his way for decades. > > > >Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then > >re-read it: > > > >Ron Paul: > >10. He is Pro-Life > >As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics, > >he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices > >concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the > >states, not the federal government. > > > >9. His support for Privacy and Property rights > >Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's > >privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns. > > > >Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as > >another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would > >destroy homes and other private property in its path. > > > >8. Views on 9/11 > >Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s > >involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were > >personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their > >citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his > >political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement. > > > >7. Military Service > >Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical > >training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before > >running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he > >served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid > >injured pilots and aircraftmen. > > > >6. He opposed the War in Iraq > >Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not > >take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be > >the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the > >constitution. > > > >5. He supports Free Trade > >Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO, > >national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such > >as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion, > >discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole. > > > >4. Never had a congressional pension > >Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise > >congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The > >"immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in > >the legislative body of the federal government. > > > >He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the > >U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or > >medicare. > > > >3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates > >Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses > >common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making > >decisions and taking stances on the political issues. > > > >2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax > >If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United > >States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning > >our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment > >was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve > >and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in > >loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income > >would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to > >return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency. > > > >These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The > >congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in > >the program or not. > > > >1. Impressive Voting Record > >According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website: > > > >He has never voted to raise taxes. > >He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. > >He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. > >He has never voted to raise congressional pay. > >He has never taken a government-paid junket. > >He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. > > > >He voted against the Patriot Act. > >He voted against regulating the Internet. > >He voted against the Iraq war. > > Thanks for posting that. and the "Liberty Dollar" What has made some people cry "conspiracy" (wrongly in my view) is that Liberty Dollar has been doing this for years and only gets shut down on the eve of their first shipment of Ron Paul collection coins. The government's very thin, very shabby pretense (followed by the obligatory laundry list of infractions that they trot out anytime they seize people's property) probably adds to that perception. A few million in precious metals that are minted in such a way as to clearly denote that the coins are not currency cannot possibly "compete" with or "undermine" the trillions of federal reserve notes out there anymore than uncle Bob swapping a calf for a few stacks of wood would undermine the paper currency system. Of course its not a conspiracy, its just a plain old fashion abuse of power that the government is famous for. This is why the Founders didn't put any authorization for "federal police" into the Constitution. They didn't want the Revolutionary era equivalent of storm troopers busting down your door and seizing your property in the arbitrary enforcement of a legal code run amok. We've ignored that and this sort of thing, or worse, is the result. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13632.html -- when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer. All problems look like nails. Quote
Guest last_post@rogers.com Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 On Nov 18, 8:24 am, US wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia <replyt...@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote: > >In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10...@4ax.com>, Cl...@Knicklas.com wrote: > >> ... HE ain't in a majory [sic], can't have his way, > >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's > >> paid his way for decades. > > >Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then > >re-read it: > > >Ron Paul: > >10. He is Pro-Life > >As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics, > >he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices > >concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the > >states, not the federal government. > > >9. His support for Privacy and Property rights > >Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's > >privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns. > > >Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as > >another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would > >destroy homes and other private property in its path. > > >8. Views on 9/11 > >Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s > >involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were > >personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their > >citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his > >political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement. > > >7. Military Service > >Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical > >training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before > >running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he > >served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid > >injured pilots and aircraftmen. > > >6. He opposed the War in Iraq > >Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not > >take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be > >the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the > >constitution. > > >5. He supports Free Trade > >Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO, > >national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such > >as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion, > >discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole. > > >4. Never had a congressional pension > >Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise > >congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The > >"immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in > >the legislative body of the federal government. > > >He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the > >U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or > >medicare. > > >3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates > >Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses > >common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making > >decisions and taking stances on the political issues. > > >2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax > >If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United > >States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning > >our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment > >was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve > >and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in > >loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income > >would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to > >return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency. > > >These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The > >congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in > >the program or not. > > >1. Impressive Voting Record > >According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website: > > >He has never voted to raise taxes. > >He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. > >He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. > >He has never voted to raise congressional pay. > >He has never taken a government-paid junket. > >He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. > > >He voted against the Patriot Act. > >He voted against regulating the Internet. > >He voted against the Iraq war. > > Thanks for posting that. Yes Shawn Smith is famous for negatives. His every post is about negatives, as is Ron Paul's record. Ron Paul has neither integrity nor principles worthy of respect. ---===0===--- Where's All That Money Coming From? At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul's financial support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian Politics Live. In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; "Please refrain in the future from using the label "Libertarian Republican" in describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist leftwinger." Dondero continued, "Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating nutball." These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 - 2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money. Where Is All That Money Coming From? Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul's money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans. Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, "Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans." According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at http://www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul's top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul. Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of "spamming" or "jamming" online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well. Among Ron Paul's top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles - Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas. What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle. This Is Why His Fund-Raising Is Not Translating To Improved Poll Positions His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises. USA Today reports, "The Iowa Republican Party put out an advisory Tuesday setting standards for participation in a Dec. 4 debate. Sponsors said participants need to average 5% support among Republicans in recent national or Iowa polls -- and so far, Texas Rep. Ron Paul is one of the candidates not making the cut." In Pollster.com's latest averaging of national poll results of Republicans, Paul's support comes in at 2.7%. The website calculates Paul's support among Republicans in Iowa, based on polls there, to be 3.8%. Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind shocker at the Republican convention. How? Here's Where The Ron Paul Campaign Becomes Dangerous Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter's from the left can vote in the Republican primary. Twenty four states have "open" primaries, which means, one need not be Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters are promoting both strategies - one in which Democrats, Independents, and members of other third parties can vote for him in "open" primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the primaries are "closed." The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is coming from people other than Republicans. The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to Republican to Participate in Primaries. "As you may realize, there are many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul: Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of these people may not realize that they NEED to change party affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many States." (A direct quote from the site) So, How Republican Is Republican Candidate Ron Paul? If he's funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very... The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less spending. Of course, we can't entirely overlook the handful of moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they are. Quote
Guest Bama Brian Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Click@Knicklas.com wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:13:00 -0500, "William Flax" > <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: > >> Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in the rule of law, not the whims >> of politicians. > > No, Paul believes HIS interpretation of what is a "rule > of law" is correct. I'm tended to take Knicklas' post apart on syntax and spelling, but it would be too E-Z, so I'll stick to the issues instead. > > Are you now suggesting that Ron Paul is not a > politician Of course he is. Do you think the Paul supporters believe he is the new Messiah? > > And are you suggesting that babbling Political concepts > isn't the mark of a politician An Ad Hominem aimed at who, exactly? > > You'd then have to agree that you're merely accepting > one politician pandering to your particular "beliefs" > over that of other politicians As though there's not room for more than one set of beliefs... > > Ron Paul does not believe in a "rule of law"----he > believes in almost erasing a rule of law by removing > the laws and protections put in place by generations of > Learning. Actually, Paul does believe in the rule of law as set forth in the US Constitution. This may surprise you, but the US Constitution is the supreme law of the United States. Despite what this fellow, Learning, might think. > > Why? Because HE ain't in a majory, can't have his way, > and rails (almost daily) against the government who's > paid his way for decades. Paul has paid his own way, unlike a large number of career politicians such as Giuliani or Clinton. Paul is an MD who has had a successful private practice. > >> When you insult him, you make one doubt your intellectual >> integrity. You might not agree with him on all issues, but you have to >> respect his integrity and principles. > > Why would ANYONE "respect" a politician who wants to > return to a time in our history that failed to protect > us from wealth and power (both individual and > corporate), shitcan all the years of policy that > FINALLY broke the disasters visited on us by the > wealthy and business interests? You forgot to mention "and wants us to farm small dirt patches with a hoe." You don't understand what the man is saying, or where the US has gone so very wrong over the last 50 years. > >> And, he is the only candidate who appears to understand foreign policy, >> also. > > Bullshit > > His only "understanding" is to sit back and throw bombs > at government > > Why not learn what the concept of "less government" > actually did from 1850---1930----then explain why you'd > want to go back If we only could. Back to a time when the government didn't tell us what we could put in our mouths, or what we can say, or how to raise our children, or a country without income taxes, or even put us into foreign wars without end for no perceptible reason - except the greed of oil barons and military suppliers. The fedgov now consumes a quarter of our Gross National Product, and has another eight percent of our GNP outstanding in National Debt. And we haven't even looked at the 3X Gross National Product in future entitlements that the fedgov has failed miserably to fund. And then there's the historical inflation rate of at least 4%, with today's inflation rate of some ten percent touched off by the fedgov's mishandling of oil and no energy policy whatsoever. And you like today's government? Wear your chains proudly, Knicklas. -- Cheers, Bama Brian Libertarian Quote
Guest Click@Knicklas.com Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:44:03 -0800 (PST), last_post@rogers.com wrote: > > Yes Shawn Smith is famous for negatives. His > every post is about negatives, as is Ron Paul's > record. > > Ron Paul has neither integrity nor principles > worthy of respect. Worse, he appeals to a segment of the population that, by ignorance or design, don't know what Loonytarianism did to nearly destroy America a century ago. Quote
Guest Friendly Fred Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 US wrote: >On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:50:40 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote: >>... ignorant, gullible... religious, unevidenced belief ... >You even believe Bush when he claims that God speaks through him. Try again: What's to "dispute?" You're expressing your ignorant, gullible rube mentality by trying to play pretend that this god damned fucking traitor is some how different than all the rest. All you're doing is proclaiming your buttfuck religious, unevidenced belief, just like any other brainless cultist. --- Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it! Quote
Guest Phlip Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 >>You even believe Bush when he claims that God speaks through him. > > Try again: > > What's to "dispute?" You're expressing your ignorant, gullible rube > mentality by trying to play pretend that this god damned fucking > traitor is some how different than all the rest. All you're doing is > proclaiming your buttfuck religious, unevidenced belief, just like > any other brainless cultist. > > Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it! http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/16/1419245 "CRAIG UNGER: Right. Well, the widespread story -- and he wrote about it, or at least it was ghostwritten, in his campaign autobiography for 2000, /A Charge to Keep/ -- it's a story George Bush has told again and again, that in 1985 Billy Graham was in Kennebunkport, Maine with him and his parents, and the two men went for a long walk, and it was at that moment that he began to accept Christ. "Well, Billy Graham himself says he has absolutely no memory of it..." Note that A> Bush is from Kennebunkport, Maine, not Texas (meaning the Dixie Chicks could have come out against "activist politicians from Maine" and gotten away with it), and that B> Billy Graham was retrofited onto Bush's conversion to Xtianity as a talking point. But Bush is indeed an Xtian: "Now, I later went back, and I found a guy named Arthur Blessitt. And it turns out that even earlier, it was Blessitt who really converted Bush to Jesus. In 1984, he had made a trip to Midland, Texas and then met at a Holiday Inn. There were three people present at the meeting: Bush, a member of his Bible studies group named Jim Sale -- I talked to Jim Sale -- and Arthur Blessitt himself, who I also interviewed. "And Blessitt is most famous for carrying a twelve-foot cross of Jesus around the world. He's been to more than 300 countries, walked 30,000 miles. And he had a Jesus Coffee House in Los Angeles, where he was most famous for what was called the toilet baptism. His congregation consisted mostly of Hell's Angels people, bikers and so forth, and they would dump their drugs in the toilet, flush it down the toilet and embrace Jesus." Switching from Coke to apocalyptic Christian Dominionism and Revelation-ism is quite the short leap, huh? (-; Kill them infidels! -- Phlip Quote
Guest Friendly Fred Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 "William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: >Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in >the rule of law, not the whims of politicians. Bullshit. All Ron Paul believes in is his own bank accounts. He's a god damned Nixon Republican, for god's sake! The fucking criminal WORKED FOR NIXON!!! Only idiot rubes are falling for his typical Republican schtick. --- Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it! Quote
Guest Lt Gen Al E. Gator Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 < US > wrote in message news:t4f0k3l77ar2mmpu898ja1v59d532actna@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia > <replytome@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote: > >>In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com>, >>Click@Knicklas.com wrote: come on boys, we've just had 7 years of a pigmy, dicksucking, hillbilly coward, and now yall fag boys want to elect another fucking retarded midget what's the matter wit yall ? he promising free blow jobs ? Yes or No flags in the men's rooms ?? Quote
Guest Gator Slayer Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 On Nov 6, 1:00�pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote: > Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media > > By Brent Budowsky > Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm > > The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign > that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal. > > Please note: Rep. Paul (R-Texas) would cut or end many of the programs that > serve the children, the poor and the seniors and turn those responsibilities > over to the free market. Bad idea. > > However: Ron Paul is a true libertarian and devout believer in the freedoms > guaranteed by the Constitution at a time when virtually no major candidate > in either party speaks of these matters with conviction and Congress does > not stand up like a lion in defense of them. > > To Ron Paul, the Constitution is sacred. He does not do focus groups to > determine his support for freedom. > > It is entertaining and profound to watch Paul, a veteran, speak in these > debates against a disastrous war policy, standing near candidates competing > for who can start the most new unwise wars, being hissed at by angry > audiences ready to send others to die and ready to throw out long-held > constitutional values. > > Of course, the national political reporters don't have a clue about him. > They are forced to report about him because he raises more money than Sen. > John McCain (R-Ariz.). The issue they should be reporting is why so many > people give money to a candidate because of what he stands for, and believes > in, even when they disagree with many things he says. > > Then again, the media treat Sens. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Joseph Biden > (D-Del.) and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D) as though they don't exist > even though all three have earned the right, through experience and > achievement, to be heard. Yet they have not been heard, from day one until > today. > > It will be interesting to watch whether Ron Paul ends up running as a > third-party libertarian candidate, in which case he will win enough support > to affect the outcome, forcing the national press to pay attention to him. > > Agree with him or not, let's tip our hat to Ron Paul, a great voice of > authenticity, integrity and ideas, which are all, sadly, in short supply in > American politics today. > > [brent asks that you crosspost your comments to The Hill, where this blog > entry also appears [1]. --JT] > _______ > > About author Brent Budowsky served as Legislative Assistant to U.S. Senator > Lloyd Bentsen, responsible for commerce and intelligence matters, including > one of the core drafters of the CIA Identities Law. Served as Legislative > Director to Congressman Bill Alexander, then Chief Deputy Whip, House of > Representatives. Currently a member of the International Advisory Council of > the Intelligence Summit. Left goverment in 1990 for marketing and public > affairs business including major corporate entertainment and talent > management. He can be reached at brent...@webtv.net [2]. > > -- > NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not > always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material > available to advance understanding of > political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I > believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as > provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright > Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 > > "A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their > spells dissolve, and the people recovering their true sight, restore their > government to its true principles. �It is true that in the meantime we are > suffering deeply in spirit, > and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public > debt. �But if the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have > patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning > back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at > stake." > -Thomas Jefferson In all the years i've tried to keep up with politics I never heard of this guy. So therefore he doesn't have a chance. If you're not known then it's too late. There are so many Representatives I have heard about that aren't running. This Paul fellow is an unknown to me. If you have national aspirations you have to be a known commodity. He isn't which leads me to think he is not a very strong legislator. Quote
Guest libdave@gmail.com Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 On Nov 18, 5:04 pm, "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>You even believe Bush when he claims that God speaks through him. > > > Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it! (proof positive that the propaganda machine is alive an well in America) http://www.yourchristianpresident.com/ Quote
Guest Phlip Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 >> > Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it! > (proof positive that the propaganda machine is alive an well in > America) Are you a Good Christian? or a Bad Christian? Bush's Xtianity is unknowable. His cronies, and his actions, however, point to Christian Dominionism. They who believes they must kill non-Christians, en masse, to hasten the day when God returns and sorts us all out. Until then, God's chosen people (White Americans) must subjugate the world, to prepare for the Rapture. Now let's hear lots of screaming from the peanut gallery how only Moslims believe in killing infidels... Quote
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