Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 "Merlin" <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:caf0a8f3-2187-4d28-8cf6-74b089f54e0d@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Dec 26, 12:32 pm, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbea...@nospam.forme> wrote: [snip] > Im waiting for you evidence but i haven't seen any yet! Yes you have, liar. Go look it up. I'm not showing it to you AGAIN. > Nope you haven't . unlike my counter evidence which is here: http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf Quote
Guest Race Bannon Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:19:26 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Hansie Katzenjammer" <der@inspector.vot> wrote in message >news:nksdn3lee6lhm19ln56sgdvcb5k39v15j5@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:27:25 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Fritz Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message >>>news:f32dn3h0utem373vtt1j033jpfi557g2u2@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:15:52 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" >>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>>> >>>>> >>>[snip] >>>> >>>> Is your life. >>>> >>>> DIE NOW! >>> >>>Frita will be gon in a few days and he STILL wont have posted evidence >> >> It was posted scumbag. >> >> Stop being a LIAR! >> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={1070B31C-E4BE-409C-ABAF-70DB2030DAF2} > > >Here is wat i posted Don't care, you're an insane obsessive denier of reality. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh "Smesko had gotten to know Gen. James Clapper, now director of the Geospacial Intelligence Agency, but then head of DIA," Shaw said. But it was Shaw's own friendship to the head of Britain's MI6 that brought it all together during a two-day meeting in London that included Smeshko's people, the MI6 contingent, and Clapper, who had been deputized by George Tenet to help work the issue of what happened to Iraq's WMD stockpiles. In the end, here is what Shaw learned: In December 2002, former Russian intelligence chief Yevgeni Primakov, a KGB general with long-standing ties to Saddam, came to Iraq and stayed until just before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. Primakov supervised the execution of long-standing secret agreements, signed between Iraqi intelligence and the Russian GRU (military intelligence), that provided for clean-up operations to be conducted by Russian and Iraqi military personnel to remove WMDs, production materials and technical documentation from Iraq, so the regime could announce that Iraq was "WMD free." Shaw said that this type GRU operation, known as "Sarandar," or "emergency exit," has long been familiar to U.S. intelligence officials from Soviet-bloc defectors as standard GRU practice. In addition to the truck convoys, which carried Iraqi WMD to Syria and Lebanon in February and March 2003 "two Russian ships set sail from the (Iraqi) port of Umm Qasr headed for the Indian Ocean," where Shaw believes they "deep-sixed" additional stockpiles of Iraqi WMD from flooded bunkers in southern Iraq that were later discovered by U.S. military intelligence personnel. The Russian "clean-up" operation was entrusted to a combination of GRU and Spetsnaz troops and Russian military and civilian personnel in Iraq "under the command of two experienced ex-Soviet generals, Colonel-General Vladislav Achatov and Colonel-General Igor Maltsev, both retired and posing as civilian commercial consultants." Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz reported on Oct. 30, 2004, that Achatov and Maltsev had been photographed receiving medals from Iraqi Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed in a Baghdad building bombed by U.S. cruise missiles during the first U.S. air raids in early March 2003. Shaw says he leaked the information about the two Russian generals and the clean-up operation to Gertz in October 2004 in an effort to "push back" against claims by Democrats that were orchestrated with CBS News to embarrass President Bush just one week before the November 2004 presidential election. The press sprang bogus claims that 377 tons of high explosives of use to Iraq's nuclear weapons program had "gone missing" after the U.S.-led liberation of Iraq, while ignoring intelligence of the Russian-orchestrated evacuation of Iraqi WMDs. The two Russian generals "had visited Baghdad no fewer than 20 times in the preceding five to six years," Shaw revealed. U.S. intelligence knew "the identity and strength of the various Spetsnaz units, their dates of entry and exit in Iraq, and the fact that the effort (to clean up Iraq's WMD stockpiles) with a planning conference in Baku from which they flew to Baghdad." The Baku conference, chaired by Russian Minister of Emergency Situations Sergei Shoigu, "laid out the plans for the Sarandar clean-up effort so that Shoigu could leave after the keynote speech for Baghdad to orchestrate the planning for the disposal of the WMD." Subsequent intelligence reports showed that Russian Spetsnaz operatives "were now changing to civilian clothes from military/GRU garb," Shaw said. "The Russian denial of my revelations in late October 2004 included the statement that "only Russian civilians remained in Baghdad." That was the "only true statement" the Russians made, Shaw ironized. The evacuation of Saddam's WMD to Syria and Lebanon "was an entirely controlled Russian GRU operation," Shaw said. "It was the brainchild of General Yevgenuy Primakov." The goal of the clean-up was "to erase all trace of Russian involvement" in Saddam's WMD programs, and "was a masterpiece of military camouflage and deception." Just as astonishing as the Russian clean-up operation were efforts by Bush administration appointees, including Defense Department spokesman Laurence DiRita, to smear Shaw and to cover up the intelligence information he brought to light. "Larry DiRita made sure that this story would never grow legs," Shaw said. "He whispered sotto voce [quietly] to journalists that there was no substance to my information and that it was the product of an unbalanced mind." Shaw suggested that the answer of why the Bush administration had systematically "ignored Russia's involvement" in evacuating Saddam's WMD stockpiles "could be much bigger than anyone has thought," but declined to speculate what exactly was involved. Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney was less reticent. He thought the reason was Iran. "With Iran moving faster than anyone thought in its nuclear programs," he told NewsMax, "the administration needed the Russians, the Chinese and the French, and was not interested in information that would make them look bad." http://www.nysun.com/article/27000 Mr. Duelfer's predecessor, in his October 2, 2003 testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, David Kay said, "Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict." A former colonel for Israeli military intelligence who worked on Iraqi issues, Miri Eisin, says of a transfer of weapons to Syria, "I don't know all of it, but some things went in that route. At the end of the day, it would be the type of things they could hide. This would strike out the biological type things, but they could get chemical weapons, possibly residual missile parts." http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2003/ss_syria_10_29.html For the first time, the U.S. intelligence community has released an assessment that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were transferred to neighboring Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S.-led war against the Saddam Hussein regime. U.S. officials said the assessment was based on satellite images of convoys of Iraqi trucks that poured into Syria in February and March 2003. Officials said the briefing yesterday to U.S. defense reporters was based on the assessments of NIMA and the rest of the intelligence community, Middle East Newsline reported. But they stressed that the community was not united in determining the fate or whereabouts of suspected Iraqi WMD. However most of the community, they said, has concluded that at least some of the Iraqi WMD, along with Iraqi scientists and technicians, was transferred to Syria. The U.S. intelligence assessment was discussed publicly for the first time by the director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency in a briefing in Washington on Tuesday. James Clapper, a retired air force general and a leading member of the U.S. intelligence community, said he linked the disappearance of Iraqi WMD with the huge number of Iraqi trucks that entered Syria before and during the U.S. military campaign to topple the Saddam regime. "I think personally that the [iraqi] senior leadership saw what was coming and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," Clapper said. "I'll call it an educated hunch." The officials said the intelligence community assessed that the trucks contained missiles and WMD components banned by the United Nations Security Council. Officials said there is less evidence that WMD and missile components were sent to Iran. Clapper said Iraqi officials, from below the level of Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay, feared U.S. discovery of Iraqi biological and chemical weapons and ordered subordinates to conceal and destroy evidence of WMD in early 2003. He said he was certain that components connected to Iraq's biological, chemical and nuclear programs were sent to Syria in the weeks prior to and during the war, which began on March 19. "I think probably in the few months prior to the onset of combat, there was probably an intensive effort to disperse to private homes, to move documentation and materials out of the country," Clapper said. "But certainly, inferentially, the obvious conclusion one draws is that the certain uptick in traffic [to Syria] may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq, and unquestionably, I am sure, material." The NIMA chief acknowledged that U.S. spy satellites did not identify the cargo transported by the Iraqi trucks into Syria. He said that much of the Iraqi WMD remained in the country and was either concealed or destroyed even as the U.S. military captured Baghdad in April. Clapper said he suspected that the looting throughout Sunni cities in Iraq in April was directed by Saddam loyalists to serve as a diversion for the destruction or transfer of WMD components from government or other installations targeted by U.S. intelligence. The United States has never found biological, chemical or nuclear weapons in Iraq. "So by the time that we got to a lot of these facilities, that we had previously identified as suspect facilities, there wasn't that much there to look at," Clapper said. NIMA, which will be renamed the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, is responsible for the analysis of satellite imagery for the U.S. intelligence community. The agency, which deployed 90 staffers during the Iraq war, also produces map and other surveillance data in cooperation with the National Reconnaissance Office. The leading agencies in the intelligence community are the CIA, the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, NIMA and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. These agencies are responsible for the annual National Intelligence Estimate. "Based on the evidence we had at the time, I thought the conclusions we reached about the presence of at least a latent WMD program was accurate and balanced," Clapper said. Quote
Guest Race Bannon Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:33:50 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >But you want to believe in WMD don't you? Even when you never find any you >want to believe. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh "Smesko had gotten to know Gen. James Clapper, now director of the Geospacial Intelligence Agency, but then head of DIA," Shaw said. But it was Shaw's own friendship to the head of Britain's MI6 that brought it all together during a two-day meeting in London that included Smeshko's people, the MI6 contingent, and Clapper, who had been deputized by George Tenet to help work the issue of what happened to Iraq's WMD stockpiles. In the end, here is what Shaw learned: In December 2002, former Russian intelligence chief Yevgeni Primakov, a KGB general with long-standing ties to Saddam, came to Iraq and stayed until just before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. Primakov supervised the execution of long-standing secret agreements, signed between Iraqi intelligence and the Russian GRU (military intelligence), that provided for clean-up operations to be conducted by Russian and Iraqi military personnel to remove WMDs, production materials and technical documentation from Iraq, so the regime could announce that Iraq was "WMD free." Shaw said that this type GRU operation, known as "Sarandar," or "emergency exit," has long been familiar to U.S. intelligence officials from Soviet-bloc defectors as standard GRU practice. In addition to the truck convoys, which carried Iraqi WMD to Syria and Lebanon in February and March 2003 "two Russian ships set sail from the (Iraqi) port of Umm Qasr headed for the Indian Ocean," where Shaw believes they "deep-sixed" additional stockpiles of Iraqi WMD from flooded bunkers in southern Iraq that were later discovered by U.S. military intelligence personnel. The Russian "clean-up" operation was entrusted to a combination of GRU and Spetsnaz troops and Russian military and civilian personnel in Iraq "under the command of two experienced ex-Soviet generals, Colonel-General Vladislav Achatov and Colonel-General Igor Maltsev, both retired and posing as civilian commercial consultants." Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz reported on Oct. 30, 2004, that Achatov and Maltsev had been photographed receiving medals from Iraqi Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed in a Baghdad building bombed by U.S. cruise missiles during the first U.S. air raids in early March 2003. Shaw says he leaked the information about the two Russian generals and the clean-up operation to Gertz in October 2004 in an effort to "push back" against claims by Democrats that were orchestrated with CBS News to embarrass President Bush just one week before the November 2004 presidential election. The press sprang bogus claims that 377 tons of high explosives of use to Iraq's nuclear weapons program had "gone missing" after the U.S.-led liberation of Iraq, while ignoring intelligence of the Russian-orchestrated evacuation of Iraqi WMDs. The two Russian generals "had visited Baghdad no fewer than 20 times in the preceding five to six years," Shaw revealed. U.S. intelligence knew "the identity and strength of the various Spetsnaz units, their dates of entry and exit in Iraq, and the fact that the effort (to clean up Iraq's WMD stockpiles) with a planning conference in Baku from which they flew to Baghdad." The Baku conference, chaired by Russian Minister of Emergency Situations Sergei Shoigu, "laid out the plans for the Sarandar clean-up effort so that Shoigu could leave after the keynote speech for Baghdad to orchestrate the planning for the disposal of the WMD." Subsequent intelligence reports showed that Russian Spetsnaz operatives "were now changing to civilian clothes from military/GRU garb," Shaw said. "The Russian denial of my revelations in late October 2004 included the statement that "only Russian civilians remained in Baghdad." That was the "only true statement" the Russians made, Shaw ironized. The evacuation of Saddam's WMD to Syria and Lebanon "was an entirely controlled Russian GRU operation," Shaw said. "It was the brainchild of General Yevgenuy Primakov." The goal of the clean-up was "to erase all trace of Russian involvement" in Saddam's WMD programs, and "was a masterpiece of military camouflage and deception." Just as astonishing as the Russian clean-up operation were efforts by Bush administration appointees, including Defense Department spokesman Laurence DiRita, to smear Shaw and to cover up the intelligence information he brought to light. "Larry DiRita made sure that this story would never grow legs," Shaw said. "He whispered sotto voce [quietly] to journalists that there was no substance to my information and that it was the product of an unbalanced mind." Shaw suggested that the answer of why the Bush administration had systematically "ignored Russia's involvement" in evacuating Saddam's WMD stockpiles "could be much bigger than anyone has thought," but declined to speculate what exactly was involved. Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney was less reticent. He thought the reason was Iran. "With Iran moving faster than anyone thought in its nuclear programs," he told NewsMax, "the administration needed the Russians, the Chinese and the French, and was not interested in information that would make them look bad." http://www.nysun.com/article/27000 Mr. Duelfer's predecessor, in his October 2, 2003 testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, David Kay said, "Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict." A former colonel for Israeli military intelligence who worked on Iraqi issues, Miri Eisin, says of a transfer of weapons to Syria, "I don't know all of it, but some things went in that route. At the end of the day, it would be the type of things they could hide. This would strike out the biological type things, but they could get chemical weapons, possibly residual missile parts." http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2003/ss_syria_10_29.html For the first time, the U.S. intelligence community has released an assessment that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were transferred to neighboring Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S.-led war against the Saddam Hussein regime. U.S. officials said the assessment was based on satellite images of convoys of Iraqi trucks that poured into Syria in February and March 2003. Officials said the briefing yesterday to U.S. defense reporters was based on the assessments of NIMA and the rest of the intelligence community, Middle East Newsline reported. But they stressed that the community was not united in determining the fate or whereabouts of suspected Iraqi WMD. However most of the community, they said, has concluded that at least some of the Iraqi WMD, along with Iraqi scientists and technicians, was transferred to Syria. The U.S. intelligence assessment was discussed publicly for the first time by the director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency in a briefing in Washington on Tuesday. James Clapper, a retired air force general and a leading member of the U.S. intelligence community, said he linked the disappearance of Iraqi WMD with the huge number of Iraqi trucks that entered Syria before and during the U.S. military campaign to topple the Saddam regime. "I think personally that the [iraqi] senior leadership saw what was coming and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," Clapper said. "I'll call it an educated hunch." The officials said the intelligence community assessed that the trucks contained missiles and WMD components banned by the United Nations Security Council. Officials said there is less evidence that WMD and missile components were sent to Iran. Clapper said Iraqi officials, from below the level of Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay, feared U.S. discovery of Iraqi biological and chemical weapons and ordered subordinates to conceal and destroy evidence of WMD in early 2003. He said he was certain that components connected to Iraq's biological, chemical and nuclear programs were sent to Syria in the weeks prior to and during the war, which began on March 19. "I think probably in the few months prior to the onset of combat, there was probably an intensive effort to disperse to private homes, to move documentation and materials out of the country," Clapper said. "But certainly, inferentially, the obvious conclusion one draws is that the certain uptick in traffic [to Syria] may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq, and unquestionably, I am sure, material." The NIMA chief acknowledged that U.S. spy satellites did not identify the cargo transported by the Iraqi trucks into Syria. He said that much of the Iraqi WMD remained in the country and was either concealed or destroyed even as the U.S. military captured Baghdad in April. Clapper said he suspected that the looting throughout Sunni cities in Iraq in April was directed by Saddam loyalists to serve as a diversion for the destruction or transfer of WMD components from government or other installations targeted by U.S. intelligence. The United States has never found biological, chemical or nuclear weapons in Iraq. "So by the time that we got to a lot of these facilities, that we had previously identified as suspect facilities, there wasn't that much there to look at," Clapper said. NIMA, which will be renamed the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, is responsible for the analysis of satellite imagery for the U.S. intelligence community. The agency, which deployed 90 staffers during the Iraq war, also produces map and other surveillance data in cooperation with the National Reconnaissance Office. The leading agencies in the intelligence community are the CIA, the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, NIMA and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. These agencies are responsible for the annual National Intelligence Estimate. "Based on the evidence we had at the time, I thought the conclusions we reached about the presence of at least a latent WMD program was accurate and balanced," Clapper said. Quote
Guest Race Bannon Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:34:48 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh "Smesko had gotten to know Gen. James Clapper, now director of the Geospacial Intelligence Agency, but then head of DIA," Shaw said. But it was Shaw's own friendship to the head of Britain's MI6 that brought it all together during a two-day meeting in London that included Smeshko's people, the MI6 contingent, and Clapper, who had been deputized by George Tenet to help work the issue of what happened to Iraq's WMD stockpiles. In the end, here is what Shaw learned: In December 2002, former Russian intelligence chief Yevgeni Primakov, a KGB general with long-standing ties to Saddam, came to Iraq and stayed until just before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. Primakov supervised the execution of long-standing secret agreements, signed between Iraqi intelligence and the Russian GRU (military intelligence), that provided for clean-up operations to be conducted by Russian and Iraqi military personnel to remove WMDs, production materials and technical documentation from Iraq, so the regime could announce that Iraq was "WMD free." Shaw said that this type GRU operation, known as "Sarandar," or "emergency exit," has long been familiar to U.S. intelligence officials from Soviet-bloc defectors as standard GRU practice. In addition to the truck convoys, which carried Iraqi WMD to Syria and Lebanon in February and March 2003 "two Russian ships set sail from the (Iraqi) port of Umm Qasr headed for the Indian Ocean," where Shaw believes they "deep-sixed" additional stockpiles of Iraqi WMD from flooded bunkers in southern Iraq that were later discovered by U.S. military intelligence personnel. The Russian "clean-up" operation was entrusted to a combination of GRU and Spetsnaz troops and Russian military and civilian personnel in Iraq "under the command of two experienced ex-Soviet generals, Colonel-General Vladislav Achatov and Colonel-General Igor Maltsev, both retired and posing as civilian commercial consultants." Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz reported on Oct. 30, 2004, that Achatov and Maltsev had been photographed receiving medals from Iraqi Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed in a Baghdad building bombed by U.S. cruise missiles during the first U.S. air raids in early March 2003. Shaw says he leaked the information about the two Russian generals and the clean-up operation to Gertz in October 2004 in an effort to "push back" against claims by Democrats that were orchestrated with CBS News to embarrass President Bush just one week before the November 2004 presidential election. The press sprang bogus claims that 377 tons of high explosives of use to Iraq's nuclear weapons program had "gone missing" after the U.S.-led liberation of Iraq, while ignoring intelligence of the Russian-orchestrated evacuation of Iraqi WMDs. The two Russian generals "had visited Baghdad no fewer than 20 times in the preceding five to six years," Shaw revealed. U.S. intelligence knew "the identity and strength of the various Spetsnaz units, their dates of entry and exit in Iraq, and the fact that the effort (to clean up Iraq's WMD stockpiles) with a planning conference in Baku from which they flew to Baghdad." The Baku conference, chaired by Russian Minister of Emergency Situations Sergei Shoigu, "laid out the plans for the Sarandar clean-up effort so that Shoigu could leave after the keynote speech for Baghdad to orchestrate the planning for the disposal of the WMD." Subsequent intelligence reports showed that Russian Spetsnaz operatives "were now changing to civilian clothes from military/GRU garb," Shaw said. "The Russian denial of my revelations in late October 2004 included the statement that "only Russian civilians remained in Baghdad." That was the "only true statement" the Russians made, Shaw ironized. The evacuation of Saddam's WMD to Syria and Lebanon "was an entirely controlled Russian GRU operation," Shaw said. "It was the brainchild of General Yevgenuy Primakov." The goal of the clean-up was "to erase all trace of Russian involvement" in Saddam's WMD programs, and "was a masterpiece of military camouflage and deception." Just as astonishing as the Russian clean-up operation were efforts by Bush administration appointees, including Defense Department spokesman Laurence DiRita, to smear Shaw and to cover up the intelligence information he brought to light. "Larry DiRita made sure that this story would never grow legs," Shaw said. "He whispered sotto voce [quietly] to journalists that there was no substance to my information and that it was the product of an unbalanced mind." Shaw suggested that the answer of why the Bush administration had systematically "ignored Russia's involvement" in evacuating Saddam's WMD stockpiles "could be much bigger than anyone has thought," but declined to speculate what exactly was involved. Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney was less reticent. He thought the reason was Iran. "With Iran moving faster than anyone thought in its nuclear programs," he told NewsMax, "the administration needed the Russians, the Chinese and the French, and was not interested in information that would make them look bad." http://www.nysun.com/article/27000 Mr. Duelfer's predecessor, in his October 2, 2003 testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, David Kay said, "Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict." A former colonel for Israeli military intelligence who worked on Iraqi issues, Miri Eisin, says of a transfer of weapons to Syria, "I don't know all of it, but some things went in that route. At the end of the day, it would be the type of things they could hide. This would strike out the biological type things, but they could get chemical weapons, possibly residual missile parts." http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2003/ss_syria_10_29.html For the first time, the U.S. intelligence community has released an assessment that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were transferred to neighboring Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S.-led war against the Saddam Hussein regime. U.S. officials said the assessment was based on satellite images of convoys of Iraqi trucks that poured into Syria in February and March 2003. Officials said the briefing yesterday to U.S. defense reporters was based on the assessments of NIMA and the rest of the intelligence community, Middle East Newsline reported. But they stressed that the community was not united in determining the fate or whereabouts of suspected Iraqi WMD. However most of the community, they said, has concluded that at least some of the Iraqi WMD, along with Iraqi scientists and technicians, was transferred to Syria. The U.S. intelligence assessment was discussed publicly for the first time by the director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency in a briefing in Washington on Tuesday. James Clapper, a retired air force general and a leading member of the U.S. intelligence community, said he linked the disappearance of Iraqi WMD with the huge number of Iraqi trucks that entered Syria before and during the U.S. military campaign to topple the Saddam regime. "I think personally that the [iraqi] senior leadership saw what was coming and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," Clapper said. "I'll call it an educated hunch." The officials said the intelligence community assessed that the trucks contained missiles and WMD components banned by the United Nations Security Council. Officials said there is less evidence that WMD and missile components were sent to Iran. Clapper said Iraqi officials, from below the level of Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay, feared U.S. discovery of Iraqi biological and chemical weapons and ordered subordinates to conceal and destroy evidence of WMD in early 2003. He said he was certain that components connected to Iraq's biological, chemical and nuclear programs were sent to Syria in the weeks prior to and during the war, which began on March 19. "I think probably in the few months prior to the onset of combat, there was probably an intensive effort to disperse to private homes, to move documentation and materials out of the country," Clapper said. "But certainly, inferentially, the obvious conclusion one draws is that the certain uptick in traffic [to Syria] may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq, and unquestionably, I am sure, material." The NIMA chief acknowledged that U.S. spy satellites did not identify the cargo transported by the Iraqi trucks into Syria. He said that much of the Iraqi WMD remained in the country and was either concealed or destroyed even as the U.S. military captured Baghdad in April. Clapper said he suspected that the looting throughout Sunni cities in Iraq in April was directed by Saddam loyalists to serve as a diversion for the destruction or transfer of WMD components from government or other installations targeted by U.S. intelligence. The United States has never found biological, chemical or nuclear weapons in Iraq. "So by the time that we got to a lot of these facilities, that we had previously identified as suspect facilities, there wasn't that much there to look at," Clapper said. NIMA, which will be renamed the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, is responsible for the analysis of satellite imagery for the U.S. intelligence community. The agency, which deployed 90 staffers during the Iraq war, also produces map and other surveillance data in cooperation with the National Reconnaissance Office. The leading agencies in the intelligence community are the CIA, the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, NIMA and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. These agencies are responsible for the annual National Intelligence Estimate. "Based on the evidence we had at the time, I thought the conclusions we reached about the presence of at least a latent WMD program was accurate and balanced," Clapper said. Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 "Race Bannon" <johnny@quest.ir> wrote in message news:r4aen3ds189ua2fpbqbvumj1i0tki2o0b7@4ax.com... > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:19:26 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"Hansie Katzenjammer" <der@inspector.vot> wrote in message >>news:nksdn3lee6lhm19ln56sgdvcb5k39v15j5@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:27:25 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>>> >>>>"Fritz Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message >>>>news:f32dn3h0utem373vtt1j033jpfi557g2u2@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:15:52 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" >>>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>[snip] >>>>> >>>>> Is your life. >>>>> >>>>> DIE NOW! >>>> >>>>Frita will be gon in a few days and he STILL wont have posted evidence >>> >>> It was posted scumbag. >>> >>> Stop being a LIAR! >>> >>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={1070B31C-E4BE-409C-ABAF-70DB2030DAF2} >> >> >>Here is wat i posted > > Don't care, you're an insane obsessive denier of reality. > > http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh > > "Smesko had gotten to know Gen. James Clapper, now director of the > Geospacial Intelligence Agency, but then head of DIA," Shaw said. > > But it was Shaw's own friendship to the head of Britain's MI6 that > brought it all together during a two-day meeting in London that > included Smeshko's people, the MI6 contingent, and Clapper, who had > been deputized by George Tenet to help work the issue of what happened > to Iraq's WMD stockpiles. The SAME George Tenet who tried to barrak colin Powell into claiming Al quaeda likks in his speech to the UN? Who sat behind Powell when he gave it giving him creedence? That Tenet? The Director of the CIA Tenet which in this report: http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf includes a CIA determination that prior to March 2003, Saddam Hussein ''did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward [Abu Musab al Zarqawi] and his associates.'' Instead, he "attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al Zarqawi." A US airstrike killed al Zarqawi this summer? That "fool me once" Tenet? > > In the end, here is what Shaw learned: > > > In December 2002, former Russian intelligence chief Yevgeni Primakov, > a KGB general with long-standing ties to Saddam, came to Iraq and > stayed until just before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. > > Primakov supervised the execution of long-standing secret agreements, > signed between Iraqi intelligence and the Russian GRU (military > intelligence), that provided for clean-up operations to be conducted > by Russian and Iraqi military personnel to remove WMDs, production > materials and technical documentation from Iraq, so the regime could > announce that Iraq was "WMD free." Primakov eh? http://intellit.org/russia_folder/pcw_era/sect_13b.htm Primakov's claim was clearly impossible because charges of Soviet involvement in the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II began to appear in 1981 and 1982, well before the USSR's AIDS disinformation campaign began. (The original AIDS charge, planted in the KGB-founded Indian newspaper Patriot in July 1983, went unnoticed by the world until October 1985, when the Soviets began to replay it in a concerted media campaign.) Even if the U.S. government had wished to respond to the AIDS disinformation campaign in kind - which it did not - it could not have retaliated for something that had not yet occurred. Furthermore, charges of Soviet involvement in the attempted papal assassination were the result of investigations by independent journalists, not the U.S. government, which never blamed the USSR for this event. [end excerpt] Not a very reliable source is he? Read more about the above report here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_of_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq Two volumes of the phase II report were released on September 8, 2006: "Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How they Compare with Prewar Assessments" and "The Use by the Intelligence Community of Information Provided by the Iraqi National Congress." The conclusions of these reports were that there was no prewar evidence that Saddam was building weapons of mass destruction and there was no evidence that Saddam had links to al-Qaeda. From The Report Above a.. "Postwar findings do not support the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate judgment that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Information obtained after the war supports the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research's (INR) assessment in the NIE that the Intelligence Community lacked persuasive evidence that Baghdad had launched a coherent effort to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program." (p 52) b.. "Postwar findings do not support the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate judgment that Iraq's acquisition of high strength aluminum tubes was intended for an Iraqi nuclear program. The findings do support the assessments in the NIE of the Department of Engergy's Office of Intelligence and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research's (INR) that the aluminum tubes were likely intended for a conventional rocket program." (p 52) c.. "Postwar findings do not support the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate judgment that Iraq was 'vigorously trying to procure uranium ore and yellowcake' from Africa. Postwar findings support the assessment in the NIE of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research's (INR) that claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are 'highly dubious.'" (p 53) d.. "No postwar information indicates that Iraq intended to use al Qaeda or any other terrorist group to strike the United States homeland before or during Operation Iraqi Freedom." The 2002 NIE, however, asserted that Iraq would "probably attempt clandestine attacks" if Hussein felt threatened. (p 111) [snip] > > In addition to the truck convoys, which carried Iraqi WMD to Syria and > Lebanon in February and March 2003 "two Russian ships set sail from > the (Iraqi) port of Umm Qasr headed for the Indian Ocean," where Shaw > believes they "deep-sixed" additional stockpiles of Iraqi WMD from > flooded bunkers in southern Iraq that were later discovered by U.S. > military intelligence personnel. what were the name of these ships? when did they sail ? From where to where? conssidering there had been a TEN YEAR EMBARGO on all trade from Iraq and that Basra and the Gulf had not just the sixth but also the seventh fleet (correct me if i am wrong) alonf with Saudi, Iranian Kewati and loads of other people watching this particular route (remember it is the centre of world oil?)! Uncanny! Even better than crossing a thousand kilometres of desert! iraq managed to make a ship invisible to allow it to pass through these waters! Not alone that but they unloaded WMD in JORDAN right under saudi and US eyes and magically shipped iot to syria! LOL! This is even more unbelievable than them using all the WMD against the US. > > [snip] > The goal of the clean-up was "to erase all trace of Russian > involvement" in Saddam's WMD programs, and "was a masterpiece of > military camouflage and deception." LOL! now it is "the Russioans magicked them away" id it? Look1 the claim was y know they were there not some rediculous excuse of how by magic the tooth fairy took them! > [snip] > http://www.nysun.com/article/27000 > > Mr. Duelfer's predecessor, in his October 2, 2003 testimony to the > House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, David Kay said, > "Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation > related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post > conflict." this is the David Kay who later admitted he was wrong was it? [snip] > > http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2003/ss_syria_10_29.html > > For the first time, the U.S. intelligence community has released an > assessment that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were transferred to > neighboring Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S.-led war against the > Saddam Hussein regime. LOL! The "we invaded the wrong poople and killed a million of them when we should have been somewhere else" climbdown. > > U.S. officials said the assessment was based on satellite images of > convoys of Iraqi trucks that poured into Syria in February and March > 2003. I have dealt with this already! If the US had troops on the ground and a no fly zone how come ONLY satellite pics are available? And how did Iraq cross 1000km of desert unseen? [snip] Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 "Hansie Katzenjammer" <der@inspector.vot> wrote in message news:dg1en3djn7dnen2vvaivvrtvlnafnkurcm@4ax.com... > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:07:08 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"Fritz Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message >>news:h22dn3lehuvqc7ej1vv735mcj295l22fbn@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:10:59 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>[snip] >> >>>> >>>>I have dealt with this >>> >>> YOU ARE A LYING SCUMBAG _ DIE NOW! >> >>Here is the reference > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={1070B31C-E4BE-409C-ABAF-70DB2030DAF2} and frontpagemage is admittedly biased. but let us se what thaty have to offer shall we? [snip - all dealt with in my above reply nothing new here] Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 "Race Bannon" <johnny@quest.ir> wrote in message news:5jaen31oidj7fhhthbqh8hg64aorvrvk80@4ax.com... > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:33:50 -0000, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>But you want to believe in WMD don't you? Even when you never find any you >>want to believe. > > > http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh > > "Smesko had gotten to know Gen. James Clapper, now director of the > Geospacial Intelligence Agency, but then head of DIA," Shaw said. You have posted this clapper clap trap in three sub threads. I have responede elsewhere. It is bullshit! Do you want my reference to the other sub thread or will you just go away. i suspoect like all the other claptrap posters you wil lbe gone in a few days. But ill wait and post back is you dont go away. [snip] Quote
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