Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 2, 2007 Posted December 2, 2007 On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:28 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> mumbled: > >"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >news:p9s3l35s0uicbfp06h9sj3ta8tjbhnceoe@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>> >>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>> >>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>> watch >>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make sure >>>>>> you >>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>> executed >>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that as >>>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are responsible >>>>>for >>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>> >>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>> sectarian violence? >>> >>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, >> Tough. > >Your post is certainly idiotic. > You are a witless simp. Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 "Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message news:neh3l3l87cosb9dc3e0a7sde9nvmkset09@4ax.com... > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... [snip] >> >>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, which is our >>responsibility. Iraqis have been able to kill eachother because we haven't >>established control over most of the country. As the occupying power, we >>are >>responsible for the safety of the people. >>Are you unaware of that? > > One day you will realize that al Qaeda is a criminal gang. 1. what percent of deaths in iraq is being perpratrated by al Quaeda? 2. It was the US that removed the Iraqi military and police so you can't say the lack of military and police has nothing to do with them can you? Quote
Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:00:00 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >2. It was the US that removed the Iraqi military and police They're....BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message news:dgi8l3pkq3epj0umai81ojnt57u60rvgqm@4ax.com... > On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:00:00 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>2. It was the US that removed the Iraqi military and police > > > They're....BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! how many? How many before occupation? How many now? Will people follow their orders? Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message news:a5c6l3trilg9u3n4eemv67o5f7kmqoj67t@4ax.com... > On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:28 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> > mumbled: > >> >>"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >>news:p9s3l35s0uicbfp06h9sj3ta8tjbhnceoe@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>> mumbled: >>> >>>> >>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>> watch >>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>> executed >>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>responsible >>>>>>for >>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>> >>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>> sectarian violence? >>>> >>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, >>> Tough. >> >>Your post is certainly idiotic. >> > You are a witless simp. when you cant deal with the actual topic do you always resorting to attacking the other person? Quote
Guest abracadabra Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message news:c4c6l3hti9mokjp7825jp8qcf3eqp0f14h@4ax.com... > On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:38:00 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> > mumbled: > >> >>"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >>news:0bs3l3diuteuujhn8ql9k71guauhkps364@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:40:48 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>> mumbled: >>> >>>>Al Qaeda is in Iraq because of the USA >>> >>> L_I_A_R!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp >>> >>> The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it >>> finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, >>> met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. More >>> disturbing, according to an administration official familiar with >>> briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has >>> "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in >>> 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda. >> >>911 commission refuted > > Nope. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Al Qaeda didn't like Saddam and wanted him out. Saddam was not allied in any way with Al Qaeda. You are ignorant. Quote
Guest abracadabra Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message news:s4c6l3t69jv99dndbvkf6864tkoglc7o5i@4ax.com... > On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:08 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> > mumbled: > >> >>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>news:neh3l3l87cosb9dc3e0a7sde9nvmkset09@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>> watch >>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>> executed >>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>responsible >>>>>>for >>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>> >>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>> sectarian violence? >>>> >>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, which is our >>>>responsibility. Iraqis have been able to kill eachother because we >>>>haven't >>>>established control over most of the country. As the occupying power, we >>>>are >>>>responsible for the safety of the people. >>>>Are you unaware of that? >>> >>> One day you will realize that al Qaeda is a criminal gang. >> >>What an odd dodge. > > Accurate too. But nobody was denying that Al Qaeda was a criminal terrorist organization. It's as relevant as saying "one day you're realize that kittens are cuddly" Quote
Guest abracadabra Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message news:a5c6l3trilg9u3n4eemv67o5f7kmqoj67t@4ax.com... > On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:28 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> > mumbled: > >> >>"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >>news:p9s3l35s0uicbfp06h9sj3ta8tjbhnceoe@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>> mumbled: >>> >>>> >>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>> watch >>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>> executed >>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>responsible >>>>>>for >>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>> >>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>> sectarian violence? >>>> >>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, >>> Tough. >> >>Your post is certainly idiotic. >> > You are a witless simp. Name calling only proves the emptiness of your arguments and mind. Better luck next time idiot. Quote
Guest abracadabra Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote in message news:c%Y4j.61$lt.52@amsnews12... > > "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message > news:a5c6l3trilg9u3n4eemv67o5f7kmqoj67t@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:28 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >>>news:p9s3l35s0uicbfp06h9sj3ta8tjbhnceoe@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>> mumbled: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most >>>>>>>>> likely >>>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>>> executed >>>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>>responsible >>>>>>>for >>>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>>> >>>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>>> sectarian violence? >>>>> >>>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, >>>> Tough. >>> >>>Your post is certainly idiotic. >>> >> You are a witless simp. > > when you cant deal with the actual topic do you always resorting to > attacking the other person? He can also quote conservative rags like Weakly Standard, but mostly all he does is say stupid things and cast out rather limp "flames" when he loses. Quote
Guest Zeno Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:35:04 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote: > >"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >news:s4c6l3t69jv99dndbvkf6864tkoglc7o5i@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:08 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>news:neh3l3l87cosb9dc3e0a7sde9nvmkset09@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>>> executed >>>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>>responsible >>>>>>>for >>>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>>> >>>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>>> sectarian violence? >>>>> >>>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, which is our >>>>>responsibility. Iraqis have been able to kill eachother because we >>>>>haven't >>>>>established control over most of the country. As the occupying power, we >>>>>are >>>>>responsible for the safety of the people. >>>>>Are you unaware of that? >>>> >>>> One day you will realize that al Qaeda is a criminal gang. >>> >>>What an odd dodge. >> >> Accurate too. > >But nobody was denying that Al Qaeda was a criminal terrorist organization. >It's as relevant as saying "one day you're realize that kittens are cuddly" When you think up a response that supports your position post back... Quote
Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:43:04 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >news:a5c6l3trilg9u3n4eemv67o5f7kmqoj67t@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:28 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >>>news:p9s3l35s0uicbfp06h9sj3ta8tjbhnceoe@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>> mumbled: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>>> executed >>>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>>responsible >>>>>>>for >>>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>>> >>>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>>> sectarian violence? >>>>> >>>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, >>>> Tough. >>> >>>Your post is certainly idiotic. >>> >> You are a witless simp. > >when you cant deal with the actual topic Why can't you fuck off? Quote
Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:43:04 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >news:dgi8l3pkq3epj0umai81ojnt57u60rvgqm@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:00:00 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>2. It was the US that removed the Iraqi military and police >> >> >> They're....BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >how many? Lots. >How many before occupation? Less. >How many now? More. >Will people follow their orders? So far. Quote
Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:34:01 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> mumbled: > Al Qaeda didn't like Saddam Oh? http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. More disturbing, according to an administration official familiar with briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda. Quote
Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:35:04 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> mumbled: > >"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >news:s4c6l3t69jv99dndbvkf6864tkoglc7o5i@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:08 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>news:neh3l3l87cosb9dc3e0a7sde9nvmkset09@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>>> executed >>>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>>responsible >>>>>>>for >>>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>>> >>>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>>> sectarian violence? >>>>> >>>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, which is our >>>>>responsibility. Iraqis have been able to kill eachother because we >>>>>haven't >>>>>established control over most of the country. As the occupying power, we >>>>>are >>>>>responsible for the safety of the people. >>>>>Are you unaware of that? >>>> >>>> One day you will realize that al Qaeda is a criminal gang. >>> >>>What an odd dodge. >> >> Accurate too. > >But nobody was denying that Al Qaeda was a criminal terrorist organization. >It's as relevant as saying "one day you're realize that kittens are cuddly" > Your point is????? Quote
Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:35:54 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> mumbled: > >"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >news:a5c6l3trilg9u3n4eemv67o5f7kmqoj67t@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:28 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >>>news:p9s3l35s0uicbfp06h9sj3ta8tjbhnceoe@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>> mumbled: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>>> executed >>>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>>responsible >>>>>>>for >>>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>>> >>>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>>> sectarian violence? >>>>> >>>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, >>>> Tough. >>> >>>Your post is certainly idiotic. >>> >> You are a witless simp. > >Name calling Fuck off. Quote
Guest Ivanhoe Martin Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:36:45 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> mumbled: > >"Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote in message >news:c%Y4j.61$lt.52@amsnews12... >> >> "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >> news:a5c6l3trilg9u3n4eemv67o5f7kmqoj67t@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:28 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>> mumbled: >>> >>>> >>>>"Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message >>>>news:p9s3l35s0uicbfp06h9sj3ta8tjbhnceoe@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>> mumbled: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>news:3hjuk3p4h2dot1ul7d028uf1f1sn3ojbps@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:18:44 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most >>>>>>>>>> likely >>>>>>>>>> more than one million. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Enjoy: >>>>>>>>> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to >>>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>>> the whole thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make >>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, >>>>>>>>> executed >>>>>>>>> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are >>>>>>>>responsible >>>>>>>>for >>>>>>>>the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are thinking that america is "responsible" for Iraqis killing >>>>>>> their fellow Iraqi? Or, are you unaware of the (almost nothing but) >>>>>>> sectarian violence? >>>>>> >>>>>>Iraqis have been killed by Americans in massive numbers, >>>>> Tough. >>>> >>>>Your post is certainly idiotic. >>>> >>> You are a witless simp. >> >> when you cant deal with the actual topic do you always resorting to >> attacking the other person? > >He can also quote conservative rags And you can lie, so? Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:47547780$0$2397$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > [snip] >>> >> You are a witless simp. > > Name calling only proves the emptiness of your arguments and mind. Better > luck next time idiot. Hmmm. Who is "name calling " now? I really think you should withdraw that remark and see if the other person is big enough to accept the apology/correction. I suspect he won't. In which case you have proven your point all the more. Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:474f1f7e$0$16492$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > > "Gatt" <gatt@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message > news:13ku5mjtb569pf1@corp.supernews.com... >> >> "cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message >> news:13ku2rca6dc3742@corp.supernews.com... >> >> >>> But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely >>> more than one million. >> >> Enjoy: http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv >> >> I promise you that almost everybody here will lack the courage to watch >> the whole thing. >> >> The next time you accuse America of murdering people there, make sure you >> subtract the number of people you see being beheaded, macheted, executed >> in the name of Islam or Al Qaeda. You're blaming America for that as >> well. > > America is responsible because as the Occupying Power we are responsible > for the safety of the citizens of Iraq. Or didn't you know that? Not alone that, but BEFORE the US occupation there was not Al Qaeda or any other Islamists groups of note in Iraq! the US occupation facilitated rather than mitigated against Islamists! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 "Ivanhoe Martin" <cliff@rasta.man> wrote in message news:s4c6l3t69jv99dndbvkf6864tkoglc7o5i@4ax.com... > On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:39:08 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> > mumbled: > >> >>"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> wrote in message >>news:neh3l3l87cosb9dc3e0a7sde9nvmkset09@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:39:17 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: [snip] >>> >>> One day you will realize that al Qaeda is a criminal gang. >> >>What an odd dodge. > > Accurate too. so what? Nobody denies Saddam was a ruthless dictator either! In fact I OPPOSED him in the eighties when the US SUPPORTED him! But the FACT that he was a dictator (supported by the US) or that Al Qaeda is criminal, does NOT remove the FACT that al quad were NOT in any way prevalent in Iraq under Saddam and came into Iraq because of the US invasion. Nor does it support the claim about Al Qaeda in Iraq as if they were causing most of the deaths there. Quote
Guest Don Homuth Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:34:50 GMT, Ivanhoe Martin <cliff@rasta.man> wrote: >On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:34:01 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >mumbled: > >> Al Qaeda didn't like Saddam > >Oh? > >http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp > >The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it >finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, >met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. Nope -- such a meeting was never confirmed by the CIA. Quote
Guest Sir Sam Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:46:58 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >BEFORE the US occupation there was not Al Qaeda or any >other Islamists groups of note in Iraq! LIAR! http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm Salman Pak / Al Salman Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations. The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. [GulfLINK] Plans were made in the mid-1980's to develop the Salman Pak site into a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr Rihab Taha, head of a small biological weapons research team, continued to work with her team at al-Muthanna until 1987 when it moved to Salman Pak, which was under the control of the Directorate of General Intelligence. Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable main research building at the site is a modern building, composed of twenty four rooms, housing a major BW research facility. Using current technology the research area alone had sufficient floor space to accommodate several continuous-flow or batch fermenters that could produce daily sufficient anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds of square kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with lightning arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for storage of temperature sensitive biological material. Approximately a mile down the road from the research area is a complex US intelligence believed to be an engineering area. One building in this complex was thought to contain a fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of BW agents. A construction project comprising several buildings was begun in early 1989 adjacent to the engineering area, and was near completion in 1990. This new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical production plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive capability for biological agent production. [GulfLINK] Salman Pak, located 30-40 km SE of Baghdad, engaged in laboratory scale research on Anthrax, Botulinum toxin, Clostridium, perfringens (gas gangrene), mycotoxins, aflatoxins, and Ricin. Researchers at this site carried out toxicity evaluations of these agents and examined their growth characteristics and survivability. Equipment-moving trucks and refrigerated trucks were observed at the Salman Pak BW facility prior to the onset of bombing, suggesting that Iraq was moving equipment or material into or out of the facility. Information obtained after the conflict revealed that Iraq had moved BW agent production equipment from Salman Pak to the Al Hakam suspect BW facility. The Qadisiya State Establishment [aka Al-Qadsia], involved in the program to produce Al Hussein class missiles, is apparently located nearby, along with the Al-Yarmouk facility which according to some reports was associated with the chemical munitions program [and which other reports place at Yusufiyah. Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror training camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into distinct sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage, assassination techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants trained on the other side of the camp, in an area separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire. The militants reportedly spent time training, usually in groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time. Quote
Guest Sir Sam Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:52:36 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >al quad were NOT in any way prevalent in Iraq under >Saddam LIAR! http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. More disturbing, according to an administration official familiar with briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda. Iraqi defectors had been saying for years that Saddam's regime trained "non-Iraqi Arab terrorists" at a camp in Salman Pak, south of Baghdad. U.N. inspectors had confirmed the camp's existence, including the presence of a Boeing 707. Defectors say the plane was used to train hijackers; the Iraqi regime said it was used in counterterrorism training. Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi Army, worked at Salman Pak. In October 2001, he told PBS's "Frontline" about what went on there. "Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism. . . . All this training is directly toward attacking American targets, and American interests." But the Bush administration said little about Salman Pak as it demonstrated links between Iraq and al Qaeda. According to administration sources, some detainees who provided credible evidence of other links between Iraq and al Qaeda, including training in terrorism and WMD, insist they have no knowledge of Salman Pak. Khodada, the Iraqi army captain, also professed ignorance of whether the trainees were members of al Qaeda. "Nobody came and told us, 'This is al Qaeda people,'" he explained, "but I know there were some Saudis, there were some Afghanis. There were some other people from other countries getting trained." On February 13, 2003, the government of the Philippines asked Hisham al Hussein, the second secretary of the Iraqi embassy in Manila, to leave the country. According to telephone records obtained by Philippine intelligence, Hussein had been in frequent contact with two leaders of Abu Sayyaf, an al Qaeda affiliate in South Asia, immediately before and immediately after they detonated a bomb in Zamboanga City. That attack killed two Filipinos and an American Special Forces soldier and injured several others. Hussein left the Philippines for Iraq after he was "PNG'd"--declared persona non grata--by the Philippine government and has not been heard from since. According to a report in the Christian Science Monitor, an Abu Sayyaf leader who planned the attack bragged on television a month after the bombing that Iraq had contacted him about conducting joint operations. Philippine intelligence officials were initially skeptical of his boasting, but after finding the telephone records they believed him. No fewer than five high-ranking Czech officials have publicly confirmed that Mohammed Atta, the lead September 11 hijacker, met with Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence officer working at the Iraqi embassy, in Prague five months before the hijacking. Media leaks here and in the Czech Republic have called into question whether Atta was in Prague on the key dates--between April 4 and April 11, 2001. And several high-ranking administration officials are "agnostic" as to whether the meeting took place. Still, the public position of the Czech government to this day is that it did. That assertion should be seen in the context of Atta's curious stop-off in Prague the previous spring, as he traveled to the United States. Atta flew to Prague from Germany on May 30, 2000, but did not have a valid visa and was denied entry. He returned to Germany, obtained the proper paperwork, and took a bus back to Prague. One day later, he left for the United States. Quote
Guest Sir Sam Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:17:31 -0800, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> mumbled: >On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:34:50 GMT, Ivanhoe Martin <cliff@rasta.man> >wrote: > >>On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:34:01 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>mumbled: >> >>> Al Qaeda didn't like Saddam >> >>Oh? >> >>http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp >> >>The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it >>finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, >>met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. > >Nope -- such a meeting was never confirmed by the CIA. Gee..."confirmed" as opposed to leaked, who knew??? http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A54452-2003Nov17?language=printer The CIA will ask the Justice Department to investigate the leak of a 16-page classified Pentagon memo that listed and briefly described raw agency intelligence on any relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraqi government and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network In a news release, the Defense Department late Saturday described the Feith memo as containing "either raw reports or products of the CIA, the NSA [the National Security Agency, which performs electronic intelligence intercepts] or in one case, the DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency]." http://hereticalideas.com/index.php?s=zawahiri I learned of another possible connection early last year, while I was interviewing Al Qaeda operatives in a Kurdish prison in Sulaimaniya. There, a man whom Kurdish intelligence officials identified as a captured Iraqi agent told me that in 1992 he served as a bodyguard to Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden Quote
Guest Don Homuth Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:40:44 GMT, Sir Sam <nite@cru.sade> wrote: >On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:17:31 -0800, Don Homuth ><dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> mumbled: > >>On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:34:50 GMT, Ivanhoe Martin <cliff@rasta.man> >>wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:34:01 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>mumbled: >>> >>>> Al Qaeda didn't like Saddam >>> >>>Oh? >>> >>>http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp >>> >>>The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it >>>finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, >>>met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. >> >>Nope -- such a meeting was never confirmed by the CIA. > >Gee..."confirmed" as opposed to leaked, who knew??? What the CIA got from its paid informers what what it wanted to hear. But such reports require independent confirmation -- and that never arrived. The Wingnut Press desperately Wants to find WMDs even now, Wants to find an operational link between Saddam and ObL, Wants to find a nuclear program -- just Anything it can use to assert that it was correct all along. It's not there. Not any of it. All, repeat All of that "intel" was Dead Wrong, right across the board. The CIA now admits that. The early "reports" don't matter any more. Quote
Guest Sir Sam Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:48:08 -0800, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> mumbled: >On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:40:44 GMT, Sir Sam <nite@cru.sade> wrote: > >>On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:17:31 -0800, Don Homuth >><dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> mumbled: >> >>>On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:34:50 GMT, Ivanhoe Martin <cliff@rasta.man> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:34:01 -0500, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> >>>>mumbled: >>>> >>>>> Al Qaeda didn't like Saddam >>>> >>>>Oh? >>>> >>>>http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp >>>> >>>>The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it >>>>finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, >>>>met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. >>> >>>Nope -- such a meeting was never confirmed by the CIA. >> >>Gee..."confirmed" as opposed to leaked, who knew??? > >What the CIA got from its paid informers What has been leaked and comprises FACTUAL data! http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A54452-2003Nov17?language=printer The CIA will ask the Justice Department to investigate the leak of a 16-page classified Pentagon memo that listed and briefly described raw agency intelligence on any relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraqi government and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network In a news release, the Defense Department late Saturday described the Feith memo as containing "either raw reports or products of the CIA, the NSA [the National Security Agency, which performs electronic intelligence intercepts] or in one case, the DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency]." This Quote
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