Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"jim bronson" <then@came.nbc> wrote in message >news:9e0el39tj6tpbgcdlnk64uhcqi1pifhfmh@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:42:45 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"jim bronson" <then@came.nbc> wrote in message >>>news:fuidl3hlmucbjgbj8ddhtegjrut0laq56o@4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:17:49 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>>> >>>>>I gave you a source from the OFFICIAL classified report to congress. >>>> >>>> Whop a dee fuck. >>>> >>>> Think "Congress" ever solved JFK's assassination? >>> >>>You are changing the context. >> >> Congressional reports are rarely if EVER the definitive answer to >> ANYTHING! > >I didn't claim it was the definitive answer. I offered it as ONE PIECE of >evidence You cited an entire .pdf and quoted not ONE section. Fuck off and die, scumbag. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >unsupported claims of WMD or in Iraq Fuck off LIAR! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html WASHINGTON Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >No evidence of WMD means NO WMD! BULLSHIT LIAR!!!! http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian sites 06 January, 2004 AFP Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper ?De Telegraaf,? that he knows the three sites where Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places are: click for images of Iraq's WMD location in Syria -1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in these tunnels. -2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq's WMD are stored there. -3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of Homs city. Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein's Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad's cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family. In February 2003, a month before America's invasion in Iraq, very few are aware about the efforts to bring the Weapons of Mass Destruction from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and his family in the operation. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >We are not arguing about "they THOUGHT they were right at the time" as if >that is an excuse! THEY CLAIMED THEY KNEW! They DIDNT KNOW ! PROVE IT!!!!! PROVE the intel conformed by over a dozen natiions was known, at the time, to be false! PROVE IT! Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >where are the proven links to al Qaeda and >world terror organisations? http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8} THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall, those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. This represents a significant increase over the traditional "going rate" of $10,000 designed to help entice the rest of Yasser Arafat Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> NO FACTUAL REBUTTAL! > >I already posted. YOU QUOTED NOTHING! YOU MADE NO FACTUAL POINTS! BULLSHITTER! Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:08:31 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >OPINION! Not evidence. YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR! http://www.internet-grocer.net/weapons.htm Weapons of Mass Destruction HAVE been found in Iraq: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas) Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and "conventional" sarin gas, assembled in binary chemical projectiles for maximum potency http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={A91FEE10-D98F-4EAA-8CA5-73DCD65234D2} The UN Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >LOL! http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 March 22, 2005 Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of Baghdad, near Samarra. As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars. Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions. A U.S. military officer with the unit called in air support. Attack helicopters from Task Force Liberty's Aviation Brigade responded but sustained major structural damage and were forced to turn back. More helicopters came in and fired on insurgents. Soldiers from the 1st Brigade Combat Team also responded in support. The U.S. military said an "undetermined number" of the attackers were killed," and no Task Force Liberty soldiers were reported killed or wounded. The fight lasted about 90 minutes. Once the insurgents broke contact, they fled by either boats back toward nearby Lake Tharthar or into local areas by vehicle or on foot. At the scene, the commandos found documents indicating that there were Syrians, Algerians, other Arabs and at least one Filipino among the insurgents. The "training camp" found nearby is being "exploited," officials said. On Monday and today, 20 insurgents were detained in three separate operations in Mosul, the military said in separate statements. Docex Project- millions of captured documents that had sat deep within a warehouse. These documents have shed light on links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. They were originally headquartered in Doha, Qatar. Released by John Negroponte for volunteers to translate. Page 3 Translation from captured Iraqi document ISGZ-2004-031613.pdf In The Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate Directory of General Security Directory of Security Ninevah Province No: 10106 Directory of General Security/ Director Section 1 Subject: Information Date: 24/8/2002 The confident (1253) declared the following: 1.On 21/8/2002 an American delegation who is visiting the Northern Region has paid a visit to the headquarters of the Iraqi communist party in Shaklawa. The representative of the communist party made presentation accusing the Iraqi government of hiding members of Al Qaeda organization in the region of Salman Pak in addition to members of the Turkish Workers party and the Iranian Moujahidee Khlak and that they are trained to use chemical weapons and that Iraq will use them in case there is military strike directed against it. End of translation. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >[snip] FUCK YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!!! http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 March 22, 2005 Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of Baghdad, near Samarra. As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars. Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions. A U.S. military officer with the unit called in air support. Attack helicopters from Task Force Liberty's Aviation Brigade responded but sustained major structural damage and were forced to turn back. More helicopters came in and fired on insurgents. Soldiers from the 1st Brigade Combat Team also responded in support. The U.S. military said an "undetermined number" of the attackers were killed," and no Task Force Liberty soldiers were reported killed or wounded. The fight lasted about 90 minutes. Once the insurgents broke contact, they fled by either boats back toward nearby Lake Tharthar or into local areas by vehicle or on foot. At the scene, the commandos found documents indicating that there were Syrians, Algerians, other Arabs and at least one Filipino among the insurgents. The "training camp" found nearby is being "exploited," officials said. On Monday and today, 20 insurgents were detained in three separate operations in Mosul, the military said in separate statements. Docex Project- millions of captured documents that had sat deep within a warehouse. These documents have shed light on links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. They were originally headquartered in Doha, Qatar. Released by John Negroponte for volunteers to translate. Page 3 Translation from captured Iraqi document ISGZ-2004-031613.pdf In The Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate Directory of General Security Directory of Security Ninevah Province No: 10106 Directory of General Security/ Director Section 1 Subject: Information Date: 24/8/2002 The confident (1253) declared the following: 1.On 21/8/2002 an American delegation who is visiting the Northern Region has paid a visit to the headquarters of the Iraqi communist party in Shaklawa. The representative of the communist party made presentation accusing the Iraqi government of hiding members of Al Qaeda organization in the region of Salman Pak in addition to members of the Turkish Workers party and the Iranian Moujahidee Khlak and that they are trained to use chemical weapons and that Iraq will use them in case there is military strike directed against it. End of translation. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >You are now basing you evidence on what you DON'T know! You are denying the black-out of classified data! http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 March 22, 2005 Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of Baghdad, near Samarra. As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars. Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions. A U.S. military officer with the unit called in air support. Attack helicopters from Task Force Liberty's Aviation Brigade responded but sustained major structural damage and were forced to turn back. More helicopters came in and fired on insurgents. Soldiers from the 1st Brigade Combat Team also responded in support. The U.S. military said an "undetermined number" of the attackers were killed," and no Task Force Liberty soldiers were reported killed or wounded. The fight lasted about 90 minutes. Once the insurgents broke contact, they fled by either boats back toward nearby Lake Tharthar or into local areas by vehicle or on foot. At the scene, the commandos found documents indicating that there were Syrians, Algerians, other Arabs and at least one Filipino among the insurgents. The "training camp" found nearby is being "exploited," officials said. On Monday and today, 20 insurgents were detained in three separate operations in Mosul, the military said in separate statements. Docex Project- millions of captured documents that had sat deep within a warehouse. These documents have shed light on links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. They were originally headquartered in Doha, Qatar. Released by John Negroponte for volunteers to translate. Page 3 Translation from captured Iraqi document ISGZ-2004-031613.pdf In The Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate Directory of General Security Directory of Security Ninevah Province No: 10106 Directory of General Security/ Director Section 1 Subject: Information Date: 24/8/2002 The confident (1253) declared the following: 1.On 21/8/2002 an American delegation who is visiting the Northern Region has paid a visit to the headquarters of the Iraqi communist party in Shaklawa. The representative of the communist party made presentation accusing the Iraqi government of hiding members of Al Qaeda organization in the region of Salman Pak in addition to members of the Turkish Workers party and the Iranian Moujahidee Khlak and that they are trained to use chemical weapons and that Iraq will use them in case there is military strike directed against it. End of translation. Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:eojgl3t3qi13hr83488dfhsb1ld2uqvgs3@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"jim bronson" <then@came.nbc> wrote in message >>news:9e0el39tj6tpbgcdlnk64uhcqi1pifhfmh@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:42:45 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>>> >>>>"jim bronson" <then@came.nbc> wrote in message >>>>news:fuidl3hlmucbjgbj8ddhtegjrut0laq56o@4ax.com... >>>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:17:49 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>>>> >>>>>>I gave you a source from the OFFICIAL classified report to congress. >>>>> >>>>> Whop a dee fuck. >>>>> >>>>> Think "Congress" ever solved JFK's assassination? >>>> >>>>You are changing the context. >>> >>> Congressional reports are rarely if EVER the definitive answer to >>> ANYTHING! >> >>I didn't claim it was the definitive answer. I offered it as ONE PIECE of >>evidence > > You cited an entire .pdf and quoted not ONE section. WRONG! I cited a pdf yes. I quoted selectively from parts of it in relation to claims about Iraq supporting or linked to Al quaeda. Ten or twenty page references to the actual doccument! I did the SAME in realtion to WMd where I at length quoted several sources ofrom OTHER sections! Just in case you missed it here are the sections to which I referred: For the Iraq intel links you will note that they have gone through 30 million pages of Iraqi documents! On page 65-66 you will note that GEORGE TENET (know him? The HEAD of CIA) stated there is no confirmation of links to al quaeda! It goes on about the lack of links and no supstantial proof of such links. On page 71 you will note the Answer Al Islam (Zawharis group) is mentioned as being linked to al Quaeda but NOT to Iraqi authorities! They then go through links to al quaeda and planning operations withthem. NOWHERE is any Philipnes attack mentioned. Ther is one document in the whole 30 million which mentions people meeting Al Quaeda and leavinf the door open for the POSSIBILITY of working together (not actually working with them like the US did with the MuJIHADeen) - bottom of page 73 where you note Bin Laden called Saddam an "unbeliever". You may also have read the actual transcripts of Bin Ladens videos from the cave in which he decries Saddam? [different source] Skip on to page 82 for information on Salman Pak. On page 83 you will note the OFFICIAL US POSITION of NO TRAINING of terrorists at Salman Pak after 1991! On poage 84 the DIA states NO LINKS between Al Quaeda and Salman Pak! Actually on page 85 you will note that far from training for terrorism it was for training for COUNTER TERRORISM! In fact why would terrorists need to train outdoors using an airplane? all they would need is a mockup of the INSIDE of the Airplane! It is the COUNTER terrorists who want to take control of the Airplane from the terrorists who need an Airplane to train on? On page 88 note the reference to Iraq not controlling the Kiurdis North and that Al Zakawi'sd Anser Al Islam group operated there! from 88-page 93 you will note that Iraq viewed Anser Al islam and Al Zawhari as t THREAT and not as an Ally! On page 94 they nmove on to the Prague meeting. By the end of page 96 - reference 264 you will note that the US intelligence service authotities are "Skeptical" whether Atta travelled to Prague! The real meat however comes from page 105 - conclusions: Conclusion 1: Saddam distrusted Al quaeda and refused ALL requests to work with them! 2. There was ONE meeting between Saddams regime and Al Quaeda. There were possibly two more where the Al Quaeda were rebuffed by Saddam. 3. No links on chemical and bio weapons 4. NO training by Saddams regime of Al Quaeda at Salman Pak OR ANYWHERE ELSE in Iraq! 5. Saddam tried but failed to capture Zawahi and Anser al Islam. He did not harbour them or co operate with them or even turn a blind eye to them! 6. Anser al Islan operated since 1991 in Kurdish controlled Northern Iraq outside of Saddams reach. 7. No involvement in Sept 11 attacks. 8. No intention to work with terrorrists That gets yo to page 111. THAT IS THE WORD fromn CIA DIA FBI and NSA and Homeland Security based on what they now know! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:2qjgl35egtgg0i7uep15sok98ishqnl33r@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>unsupported claims of WMD or in Iraq > > > Fuck off LIAR! > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html LOL Fox news is a reliable source now is it? > > > WASHINGTON - The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq > since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be > uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday. And you find that rather than 500 WMD it is 500 (unverified number) of what they think might have been chemical shells. NO EVIDENCE they they were! "Tests" are referred to but nobody who actually carried these "tests" out or the results of tests. And there is reference to "filled" chemical artillery shells but no reference as to where these were move or where they are kept? Waffle! NOT EVIDENCE! > > "We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," > Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference > late Wednesday afternoon. > > Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground > Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum > said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 > weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. > Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War > chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical > munitions are assessed to still exist." Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:q0kgl3t4ps3csdiqejhe5ei1qjcr2655fi@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>We are not arguing about "they THOUGHT they were right at the time" as if >>that is an excuse! THEY CLAIMED THEY KNEW! They DIDNT KNOW ! > > > PROVE IT!!!!! > > PROVE the intel conformed by over a dozen natiions was known, at the > time, to be false! > > PROVE IT! It isnt up to me to do that as it is "shifting the burden" but in any case: Your "confirmed by a dozen nations" is weak but is also stitching up the claim. Let us stick with the doctored and stovepiped US claims and we needent deal with the doctored and misleading UK claims and the counter claims by other countries saying the claims of WMD were not everified by them! 1991-97 Under the supervision of UNSCOM weapons inspectors, Iraq destroys more than 38,000 filled and unfilled chemical munitions, 690 tons of chemical warfare agents, over 3,000 tons of precursor chemicals, more than 400 pieces of production equipment [united Nations Special Commission, 4/16/1998] , 48 missiles, 8 mobile missile launchers, and 29 missile warheads modified to carry chemical or biological agents. [united Nations Special Commission, 1/29/1998] After cross-referencing weapons-making materials found in Iraq with sales records from other countries, UNSCOM inspectors conclude that at least 90 percent of Iraq's weapons have been destroyed or dismantled. Chief UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter believes that a good portion of the remaining 10 percent was destroyed during the First Gulf War, thus leaving only a small fraction unaccounted for. [Truthout (.org), 7/24/2002; Newsday, 7/30/2002] Aug 22 1995: Hussein Kamel. [source: Associated Press]Hussein Kamel, Iraq's former minister of military industry-who was Saddam Hussein's son-in-law and who had overseen Iraq's nuclear, chemical, biological and missile weapons programs for almost a decade-is interviewed shortly after defecting by UNMOVIC Executive Chairman Rolf Ekeus, Professor Maurizio Zifferero, deputy director of the Internal Atomic Energy Agency,and Nikita Smidovick of UNSCOM. During the interview, Kamel says that Iraq had destroyed all of its banned weapons after the First Gulf War. "I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons-biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed," he tells his interviewers. With regard to Anthrax, which Kamel says had been the "main focus" of Iraq's biological program, Kamel says, "nothing remained." Regarding the nerve gas, VX, Kamel says, "they put it in bombs during last days of the Iran-Iraq war. They were not used and the program was terminated." When asked if the program had been reconstituted, Kamel replies, "We changed the factory into pesticide production. Part of the establishment started to produce medicine. We gave instructions not to produce chemical weapons." On the issue of prohibited missiles, Kamel states: "[N]ot a single missile left but they had blueprints and molds for production. All missiles were destroyed." Kamel also says that inspections worked in Iraq. "You have important role in Iraq with this. You should not underestimate yourself. You are very effective in Iraq," he reveals. But this information is not made public. Newsweek reports in March 2003 that according to its sources, "Kamel's revelations about the destruction of Iraq's WMD stocks were hushed up by the UN inspectors. for two reasons. Saddam did not know how much Kamel had revealed, and the inspectors hoped to bluff Saddam into disclosing still more." [scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek, 3/3/2003] Kamel also says that Khidhir Hamza, an Iraqi nuclear scientist who defected in 1994 and who will be a source for claims regarding Iraq's alleged nuclear weapons program in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, is "a professional liar." He tells his interviewers, "He worked with us, but he was useless and always looking for promotions.. He consulted with me but could not deliver anything.. He was even interrogated by a team before he left and was allowed to go." [New York Review of Books, 2/26/2004] At around the same time, Kamel is also interviewed by the CIA and Britain's MI6. According to sources interviewed by Newsweek, Kamel provides them with the same information. [scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek, 3/3/2003 Sources: Unnamed sources] But after this is revealed on February 24, 2003 by Newsweek's John Barry, the CIA issues a strong denial. "It is incorrect, bogus, wrong, untrue," CIA spokesman Bill Harlow will say. [Reuters, 2/24/2003] October 1997 Hans Blix. [source: Dean Calma / IAEA]Hans Blix, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, writes in a letter to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan that there is no evidence that Iraq has an active nuclear weapons program. Blix says that the agency now has a "technically coherent picture of Iraq's clandestine nuclear program," despite some missing evidence and gaps in knowledge. He states with certainty the following: [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications to suggest that Iraq was successful in its attempt to produce nuclear weapons. Iraq's explanation of its progress towards the finalization of a workable design for its nuclear weapons is considered to be consistent with the resources and time scale indicated by the available program documentation. However, no documentation or other evidence is available to show the actual status of the weapon design when the program was interrupted." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "Iraq was at, or close to, the threshold of success in such areas as the production of HEU [high-enriched uranium] through the EMIS [electromagnetic isotope separation] process, the production and pilot cascading of single-cylinder sub-critical gas centrifuge machines, and the fabrication of the explosive package for a nuclear weapon." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications to suggest that Iraq had produced more that a few grams of weapon-usable nuclear material (HEU or separated plutonium) through its indigenous processes, all of which has been removed from Iraq." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications that Iraq otherwise acquired weapon-usable nuclear material." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "All of the safeguarded research reactor fuel, including the HEU fuel that Iraq had planned to divert to its 'crash program,' was verified and fully accounted for by the IAEA and removed from Iraq." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications that there remains in Iraq any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapon-usable nuclear material of any practical significance." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] 1998: Experts report that Iraq has failed to adequately account for 500 mustard-gas shells, 25 "special warheads," 150 aerial bombs, 2 scud missiles [Christian Science Monitor, 8/29/2002] , 520 kilograms of yeast extract growth medium specifically for anthrax [NewsMax, 9/4/2002] , 15,000 122 mm artillery shells, 25,000 rockets and several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX. [Cirincione, Wolfsthal, and Rajkumar, 6/2002; BBC, 9/11/2002] 25 Special Warheads - Iraq failed to account for 25 special warheads. Former UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter will tell the Christian Science Monitor in mid-2002, "Even if he hid some warheads, they would have degenerated by now." [Christian Science Monitor, 8/29/2002] Scud Missiles - Iraq has accounted for or destroyed 817 of its 819 Scud missiles. [united Nations Special Commission, 1/29/1998] It is later suggested by experts, such as former UN inspector Scott Ritter and Charles Duelfer of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, that Iraq could possibly salvage and manufacture enough components to build up a store of between five and 25 missiles. [bBC, 9/11/2002] But as the San Francisco Chronicle later notes, citing unnamed weapons experts, "there is no evidence that these have been tested or that Iraq has any functional launchers." [san Francisco Chronicle, 10/12/2002] 8,5000 liters of anthrax - Iraq maintains that these remaining stores of Anthrax were unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991, however they offer no evidence of this. [scotsman, 2/24/2003] Scott Ritter, a former Marine intelligence officer and chief weapons inspector, will later say that evidence indicates that Iraq's liquid bulk anthrax has not been produced by Iraq since 1991. Furthermore, he adds, the factory where Iraq had produced the pathogen was destroyed in 1996. He says that any anthrax produced before then is no longer a threat to anyone because after three years liquid bulk anthrax becomes "useless sludge." [Reuters, 2/8/2002] Several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX - UNSCOM is unable to account for several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX. Iraq maintains that these remaining stocks were unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. [scotsman, 2/24/2003] In March 2003, UNMOVIC, the successor to UNSCOM, will report that Iraq's production method created nerve agent that lasted only six to eight weeks. [independent, 6/1/2003] Critics believe that most of these stocks were destroyed during the First Gulf War. Scott Ritter, a former chief weapons inspector, speaking at the Suffolk Law School building in downtown Boston, will say on July of 2002: "The research and development factory is destroyed [a Gulf War bomb destroyed the production facility on January 23, 1991]. The product of that factory is destroyed. The weapons they loaded up have been destroyed. More importantly, the equipment procured from Europe that was going to be used for their large-scale VX nerve agent factory was identified by the special commission-still packed in its crates in 1997-and destroyed. Is there a VX nerve agent factory in Iraq today? Not on your life." [Truthout (.org), 7/24/2002] 1999: A special panel of the UN Security Council reports that "the declared facilities of Iraq's biological weapons program have been destroyed and rendered harmless." [united Nations, 3/30/1999; Guardian, 5/15/2002] So where is the US in this:(2001-2003) The US intelligence community-most notably the intelligence gatherers working in the Pentagon offices under Douglas Feith (see September 2002) -bases several of its intelligence assessments concerning Iraq on information offered by the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and by Iraqi defectors provided by the INC, despite warnings from the State Department and some CIA analysts that the lobbying group cannot be trusted. [New Yorker, 5/12/2003; Salon, 7/16/2003; Guardian, 7/17/2003; Inter Press Service, 8/7/2003; Independent, 9/30/2003; Mother Jones, 1/2004 Sources: Greg Thielmann, Unnamed administration official] The INC's primary intelligence organization is its Information Collection Program (ICP), which conducts about 20 percent of all US intelligence's verbal debriefings of Iraqi prisoners, insurgents, and defectors. [bamford, 2004, pp. 336-337] Some of the INC's intelligence on Iraq is reportedly funneled directly to the office of Vice President Dick Cheney by Francis Brooke, the DC lobbyist for the group. [Newsweek, 12/15/2003 Sources: Memo, Francis Brooke] Brooke will later acknowedge that the information provided by the INC was driven by an agenda. "I told them [the INC], as their campaign manager, 'Go get me a terrorist and some WMD, because that's what the Bush administration is interested in.'" [Vanity Fair, 5/2004, pp. 230] Brooke had previously worked for the Rendon Group, "a shadowy CIA-connected public-relations firm." [Mother Jones, 1/2004] Feb 2001: CIA director George Tenet testifies to Congress that Iraq possesses no weapons of mass destruction and poses no threat to the United State. He says, "We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since [Operation] Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs, although given its past behavior, this type of activity must be regarded as likely.. We assess that since the suspension of [uN] inspections in December of 1998, Baghdad has had the capability to reinitiate both its [chemical and biological weapons] programs. without an inspection monitoring program, however, it is more difficult to determine if Iraq has done so." He continues, "Moreover, the automated video monitoring systems installed by the UN at known and suspect WMD facilities in Iraq are still not operating. Having lost this on-the-ground access, it is more difficult for the UN or the US to accurately assess the current state of Iraq's WMD programs." Rumsfeld also discusses al-Qaeda, calling it "the most immediate and serious threat" to US interests [scoop, 6/27/2003] At a joint press conference with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, Colin Powell says that Iraq has been successfully contained. "What we and other allies have been doing in the region, have succeeded in containing Saddam Hussein and his ambitions. His forces are about one-third their original size. They don't really possess the capability to attack their neighbors the way they did ten years ago.. Containment has been a successful policy." [uS Department of State, 2/20/2001] During a press briefing held aboard a plane en route to Cairo, Egypt, Colin Powell says: "Though [the Iraqis] may be pursuing weapons of mass destruction of all kinds. It is not clear how successful they have been. We ought to declare [sanctions] a success. We have kept [saddam Hussein] contained, kept him in his box." [uS Department of State, 2/23/2001; Time, 3/24/2003; Star Tribune (Minneapolis), 1/28/2004] Secretary of State Colin Powell travels to Cairo and meets with his counterpart Amre Moussa. Following up on his statements from the day before Powell says sanctions against the Iraqi government: "[F]rankly they have worked. [saddam Hussein] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq.." Powell adds, "[H]e threatens not the United States." [uS Department of State, 2/24/2003; Mirror, 9/22/2003; Associated Press, 9/25/2003] Some nineteen months later, when Powell is asked to explain why his assessment of Iraq had so drastically changed over such a short span of time, Powell will say, ". I did not say he (Iraqi President Saddam Hussein) didn't have weapons of mass destruction.. He was a threat then. The extent of his holdings were yet to be determined. It was early in the administration and the fact of the matter is it was long before 9/11 (the date of the 2001 attacks on the United States).. A lot changed between February 2001 (and the invasion), but I don't find anything inconsistent between what I said then and what I've said all along." [uS Department of State, 9/25/2003; Associated Press, 9/25/2003; Washington Post, 9/26/2003] May 2001: Secretary of State Colin Powell, in testimony before the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee, says that Saddam Hussein has been effectively contained by sanctions. He says, "The sanctions. have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction-chemical, biological and nuclear-I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago. So containment, using this arms control sanctions regime, I think has been reasonably successful. We have not been able to get the inspectors back in, though, to verify that, and we have not been able to get the inspectors in to pull up anything that might be left there. So we have to continue to view this regime with the greatest suspicion, attribute to them the most negative motives, which is quite well-deserved with this particular regime, and roll the sanctions over, and roll them over in a way where the arms control sanctions really go after their intended targets-weapons of mass destruction-and not go after civilian goods or civilian commodities that we really shouldn't be going after, just let that go to the Iraqi people." [uS Congress, 5/15/2001; Mirror, 9/22/2003] 2002: The CIA's Joint Task Force on Iraq, headed by career officer Valerie Wilson, sends approximately 30 Iraqi-American civilians back to Iraq to interrogate family members who are weapons scientists. The agency hopes that the operation will help close some gaps in the agency's Iraq intelligence. The plan was devised by Charlie Allen, the CIA's assistant director for collection. The operation produces a very accurate picture of Iraq's weapons programs, though the CIA does not realize this at the time. Every single one of family members (see, e.g., May 2002-September 2002) participating in the program return from Iraq with the same information-that Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs have long since been abandoned. The program is short-lived. It is shut down by officials in the CIA's Directorate of Operations who are reportedly jealous of Charlie Allen's incursions onto its operational turf. The program's results are buried and never distributed to other bodies within the intelligence community. [Risen, 2006, pp. 183-184; Isikoff and Corn, 2006, pp. 12-14] AND THEN 2002-2003: In the lead-up to the war, top Bush administration officials make strong statements asserting that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. The administration claims that it has incontrovertible evidence, though no such evidence is disclosed to the public-neither before nor after the invasion. [Chicago Tribune, 2/7/2002; Daily Telegraph, 8/21/2002; Guardian, 8/22/2002; White House, 8/26/2002; US Department of Defense, 9/3/2002; Associated Press, 9/3/2002; United Press International, 9/3/2002; Associated Press, 9/8/2002; NewsMax, 9/8/2002; PBS, 9/12/2002; US President, 9/16/2002; US President, 10/14/2002; CBC News, 12/5/2002; Associated Press, 1/7/2003; White House, 1/9/2003; US President, 2/3/2003; US Department of State, 2/5/2003; US Department of State, 2/5/2003; White House, 3/21/2003; US President, 3/24/2003; Age (Melbourne), 6/7/2003; Village Voice, 6/18/2003; Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 7/13/2003; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, 7/17/2003; Fox News, 8/20/2003; Associated Press, 12/5/2003] This is about ten percent of the doccuments I can produce but I think itis enough of a sample to be getting on with. which ones in particular would you like to claim is a wrong source? the UN? The Whitehouse? Colin (I changed my story later) Powell? George (like what Powell was just saying) Tenet? Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:44kgl31k56jfgvkdm5q6phc7c65mu31c4i@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>> NO FACTUAL REBUTTAL! >> >>I already posted. > > YOU QUOTED NOTHING! > > YOU MADE NO FACTUAL POINTS! > > BULLSHITTER! I did and I just posted several more from a variety of sources. Please care to indicate which of the sources is bullshit? Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:2akgl3pincgmsg6v01v9b2lehv2qte0ran@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>[snip] > > > FUCK YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!!! > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 > > March 22, 2005 > > Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an > apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as > far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. "APPARENT" and I already dealt with this in another post! [snip] Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:hujgl39t191ro2iee9gvp6hpqndm9rlrmr@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>No evidence of WMD means NO WMD! > > > BULLSHIT LIAR!!!! Oh you have evidence of Unicorns and fire breathing dragons now do you? So what is the difference between "NO evidence for dragons" and just "no dragons" > > http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php > > A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian > sites > 06 January, 2004 > > AFP > > Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently > defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely > challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to > Dutch newspaper ?De Telegraaf,? that he knows the three sites where > Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places > are: > This is funny. LOL! Before the invasion the Us stated that they KNEW where the WMD were and they would show them to us any minute now! Five years later when they haven't found any they now claim that they "disappeared" from the places they KNEW where they were and travelled nearly a thousand miles across Iraq through a no fly zone and outwitting and avoiding the entire US occupying Army to Syria! Wow! with covert operations like that Saddam wouldn't even need WMD! All he needed was for the same "smugglers" to go all over Iraq attackin gthe odd US convoy and disappearing like they did in crossing Iraq without ever being detected. It is a bit like the kid who has the dragon in the garage The other kid says "show me the dragon" but he is invisible. "okay then my dad works for a security company nad has special glasses" - but the dragon is impervious to infra red and UV " I know what - talcum poiwder on the floor" - but the dragon hovers! "Okay then paint - throw it over him" - but it is an incorporeal dragon! No matter what you do you cant measure any presence of a dragon! Whats the difference between no evidence and no dragon? > > > click for images of Iraq's WMD location in Syria A bit like "we KNOW about WMD in Iraq. we wil shou you any minute now!" Who was it who said "Fool me one shame on me! Fool me twice [long pause]...Eh ...Eh Well the fooled guy won't get fooled again!" LOL > > -1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in > northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground > factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud > missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in > these tunnels. With yellow cake, dragons, lepreachauns, pixies , unicorns, Elvis and the tooth fairy? SAnta is NOT there. he is out delivering fake intel reports! LOL! > > -2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where > there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq's WMD are > stored there. This guy isn't called "Son of curveball" is he? LOL! > > -3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south > of Homs city. > > Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by > the commanders of Saddam Hussein's Special Republican Guard, including > General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad's > cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by > the Assad family. ROTFLMOL . Stop your killing me! Five years and this is the best you have to offer? they sneaked out overningt to Syria! LOL! > > In February 2003, a month before America's invasion in Iraq, very few > are aware about the efforts to bring the Weapons of Mass Destruction > from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and > his family in the operation. Oh! I get it! so the US had it rignt but had everything WRONG for a whole month before the invasion? when they styepped up survaillence and assured us they knew where the WMD were? In fact I already showed you how in 1991 the UN couldnt account for 2 (thatsTWO) scuds! All the other unverified stuff is listed too! and it was fairly much known by 19951 then Kamal came along and surprised them with the evidence of ONE rocket mould and a disused Scud launcher! But you are claiming all this time he was really building up WMD and a group capable of moving them across Iraq without detection and nobody knowing about it five years later! LOL. Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:o2kgl3le6vdgqt5jn7jr2mjvq2bs4etf8q@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>where are the proven links to al Qaeda and >>world terror organisations? > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8} Self admitted biased source! but let us look at this. > > THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall, > those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to > this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will > henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide > bombers. Here we go again! i have dealt with this before on soc.culture.iraq This is true! Saddam did gove money to the families (well the wives actually mostly) of dead terrorists. i have no Idea if they were all suicide bombers. In the Us Americans gove money to NORAID which supports the families of dead IRA terrorists in Ireland! It si probably tax deductable It does NOT mean those people support IRA terrorism! It means they have sympathy for the impoverished families of dead people. In fact eh UK authorities supports the families of dead terrorist and even of living ex terrorists. indeed they support the families of still in prision terr orists who refuse to gve up terrorism! Now i don;t think Saddam was just charatible. He was also performing a publicity stunt! But it in NO way shows links to Al Qaeda or planning world terror campaigns! Sorry but in spoite of the spin on it NOT EVIDNCE of planning terror with any Islamic groups! [snip] Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:takgl3107g1tbksub66k63b0dju463a9nb@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>You are now basing you evidence on what you DON'T know! > > You are denying the black-out of classified data! I don't deny the blacked out stuff. In fact most is so you dont identify the secrecy of the source but you will never find that out since you wont see it will you? Then again. maybe you will, why do you think every page had a black line at the top and bottom. Surely the title isnt classified. Wel if the title is the "mr James Bond report to congress" then peopole wouldnt want "james Bond" mentioned would they? There is no point arguing about what you are not going to see and I am not goiung to show you. Then again that is EXACTLY what you are doing! You are not going to see WMD in IRAQ and you are not going to shopw anyone any evidence but like the UFO poster on agent Fox Mulders wall you "Want To Believe". > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 > > March 22, 2005 > > Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an > apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as > far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. [snip] Dealt with elsewhere. Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:b9kgl39evinqs6qs1a6uo6e6kqu8im9i34@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>LOL! > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 > > March 22, 2005 [snip] Already dealt with elsewhere soc.culture.Iraq Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:f6kgl3hsguj00o2qqrrpmajr6tv9skgj5o@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:08:31 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>OPINION! Not evidence. > > YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR! > > > http://www.internet-grocer.net/weapons.htm > > Weapons of Mass Destruction HAVE been found in Iraq: > > 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium Where? [snip]> > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={A91FEE10-D98F-4EAA-8CA5-73DCD65234D2} biased surce. > > The UN's nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency > (IAEA), was very upset last week that the US had shipped about 1.8 > tons of low-enriched uranium and other radioactive material out of > Iraq for disposition in the US. Frontpage mag use the washington post as I poiunted out to elsewehere. FPM changed non enriched to "low-enriched" For "low" read "not at all" Not enriched Uranium! Not weapons grade1 Found by the UN in 1991! Sealed by the UN in 1991! UN destroyed the enrichment plant in 1991 as well! [snip] Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:44:13 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >biased surce. DROP FUCKING DEAD! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham in a statement. He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists". Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed. The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy Department's secret laboratories. It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored temporarily at a Department of Energy facility. The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation, which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:b9kgl39evinqs6qs1a6uo6e6kqu8im9i34@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>> >>>LOL! >> >> >> >> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 >> >> March 22, 2005 >[snip] FUCK YOU! >Already dealt with elsewhere soc.culture.Iraq March 22, 2005 Share Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of Baghdad, near Samarra. As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars. Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >You are >not going to see WMD in IRAQ http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian sites 06 January, 2004 AFP Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper ?De Telegraaf,? that he knows the three sites where Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places are: click for images of Iraq's WMD location in Syria -1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in these tunnels. -2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq's WMD are stored there. -3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of Homs city. Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein's Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad's cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family. http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said yesterday. The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment from its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of trucks from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border." The official said the convoys are believed to include shipments of sensitive armaments, including equipment used in making plastic explosives and nuclear weapons. About 380 tons of RDX and HMX, used in making such arms, were reported missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility,... Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:58 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:o2kgl3le6vdgqt5jn7jr2mjvq2bs4etf8q@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>where are the proven links to al Qaeda and >>>world terror organisations? >> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8} > >Self admitted biased source! but let us look at this. > >> >> THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall, >> those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to >> this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will >> henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide >> bombers. > >Here we go again! i have dealt with this before on soc.culture.iraq Fuck you and fuck your "dealing with " anything you festering p[ile of SHIT! >This is true! Saddam did gove money to the families (well the wives actually >mostly) of dead terrorists. i have no Idea if they were all suicide bombers. STFU you vomitous piece of crap! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm Palestinians get Saddam funds Iraq regularly parades volunteers to "liberate Palestine" Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel. Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques. "Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat at the ceremony. With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned the United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support for terrorism. Saddam's payments $10,000 per family $25,000 for family of a suicide bomber $35m paid since September 2000 PALF figures One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group. A Hamas suicide bomber's family got $25,000 while the others - relatives of militants killed in fighting or civilians killed during Israeli military operations - all received $10,000 each. Another banner in the hall described the cheques as the "blessings of Saddam Hussein" and PALF speakers extolled the Iraqi leader in fiery speeches. "Saddam Hussein considers those who die in martyrdom attacks as people who have won the highest degree of martyrdom," said one. The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families since the current uprising began in September 2000. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >This is funny. LOL! YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF MUZZIE_APOLOGIST SHIT! http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said yesterday. The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment from its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of trucks from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border." The official said the convoys are believed to include shipments of sensitive armaments, including equipment used in making plastic explosives and nuclear weapons. About 380 tons of RDX and HMX, used in making such arms, were reported missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility,... Quote
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