Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:2akgl3pincgmsg6v01v9b2lehv2qte0ran@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>[snip] >> >> >> FUCK YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!!! >> >> >> >> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 >> >> March 22, 2005 >> >> Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an >> apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as >> far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. > >"APPARENT" FUCK YOU TO HELL!!! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html BAGHDAD, Iraq Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:44kgl31k56jfgvkdm5q6phc7c65mu31c4i@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>> NO FACTUAL REBUTTAL! >>> >>>I already posted. >> >> YOU QUOTED NOTHING! >> >> YOU MADE NO FACTUAL POINTS! >> >> BULLSHITTER! > >I did FUCK YOU! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html BAGHDAD, Iraq Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:51:23 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:q0kgl3t4ps3csdiqejhe5ei1qjcr2655fi@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>We are not arguing about "they THOUGHT they were right at the time" as if >>>that is an excuse! THEY CLAIMED THEY KNEW! They DIDNT KNOW ! >> >> >> PROVE IT!!!!! >> >> PROVE the intel conformed by over a dozen natiions was known, at the >> time, to be false! >> >> PROVE IT! > >It isnt up to me to do that YES it IS, you ASSWIPE! Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:19 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> Fuck off LIAR! >> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html > > >LOL Fox news is a reliable source now is it? > Care to factually REBUT it? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm US reveals Iraq nuclear operation Abraham called the operation a "major achievement" The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham in a statement. He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists". Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed. The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy Department's secret laboratories. It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored temporarily at a Department of Energy facility. The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation, which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:05 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >NO LINKS between Al Quaeda and Salman Pak! AQ is NOT the only terror sponsor! http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm Salman Pak / Al Salman Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations. The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. [GulfLINK] Plans were made in the mid-1980's to develop the Salman Pak site into a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr Rihab Taha, head of a small biological weapons research team, continued to work with her team at al-Muthanna until 1987 when it moved to Salman Pak, which was under the control of the Directorate of General Intelligence. Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable main research building at the site is a modern building, composed of twenty four rooms, housing a major BW research facility. Using current technology the research area alone had sufficient floor space to accommodate several continuous-flow or batch fermenters that could produce daily sufficient anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds of square kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with lightning arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for storage of temperature sensitive biological material. Approximately a mile down the road from the research area is a complex US intelligence believed to be an engineering area. One building in this complex was thought to contain a fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of BW agents. A construction project comprising several buildings was begun in early 1989 adjacent to the engineering area, and was near completion in 1990. This new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical production plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive capability for biological agent production. [GulfLINK] Salman Pak, located 30-40 km SE of Baghdad, engaged in laboratory scale research on Anthrax, Botulinum toxin, Clostridium, perfringens (gas gangrene), mycotoxins, aflatoxins, and Ricin. Researchers at this site carried out toxicity evaluations of these agents and examined their growth characteristics and survivability. Equipment-moving trucks and refrigerated trucks were observed at the Salman Pak BW facility prior to the onset of bombing, suggesting that Iraq was moving equipment or material into or out of the facility. Information obtained after the conflict revealed that Iraq had moved BW agent production equipment from Salman Pak to the Al Hakam suspect BW facility. The Qadisiya State Establishment [aka Al-Qadsia], involved in the program to produce Al Hussein class missiles, is apparently located nearby, along with the Al-Yarmouk facility which according to some reports was associated with the chemical munitions program [and which other reports place at Yusufiyah. Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror training camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into distinct sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage, assassination techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants trained on the other side of the camp, in an area separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire. The militants reportedly spent time training, usually in groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time. Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:a71hl3dac5q5bv9bii7ksk1e0q12td5ocs@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>news:b9kgl39evinqs6qs1a6uo6e6kqu8im9i34@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>>> >>>>LOL! >>> >>> >>> >>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 >>> >>> March 22, 2005 >>[snip] > > FUCK YOU! > >>Already dealt with elsewhere soc.culture.Iraq > > March 22, 2005 > > Share Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an > apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as > far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. > > The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando > Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim > government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of > Baghdad, near Samarra. > > As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by > sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars. > > Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an > estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions. Not evidence of any link between Iraq and Al Khyda! In fact this is TWO YEARS AFTER the US invasion! We know Al KHYDA were getting stronger in Iraq then. As Islamists are getting strongetrin Afghanistan while the US are pulling out of Afghanistan. But NOTHING above is evidence of links between Saddam and Islamic international terror! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:g91hl3lumab30arpmdr9caahmc5l9kqvrq@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>You are >>not going to see WMD in IRAQ > > http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php > LOL You keep reposting stuff that has already been debunked. Spamming out the same debunked stuff won't make it true! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:oc1hl39q9ecjjlvgkkd8sc4ps19m1c5toa@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:58 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>news:o2kgl3le6vdgqt5jn7jr2mjvq2bs4etf8q@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>>>where are the proven links to al Qaeda and >>>>world terror organisations? >>> >>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8} >> >>Self admitted biased source! but let us look at this. >> >>> >>> THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall, >>> those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to >>> this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will >>> henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide >>> bombers. >> >>Here we go again! i have dealt with this before on soc.culture.iraq > > Fuck you and fuck your "dealing with " anything you festering p[ile of > SHIT! LOL! When you don't like the message and can't deal with it you resort to blaming the messenger. Do you always attack the other person when you are too inept to deal with the actual issues they raise? > >>This is true! Saddam did gove money to the families (well the wives >>actually >>mostly) of dead terrorists. i have no Idea if they were all suicide >>bombers. > > > STFU you vomitous piece of crap! LOL! That's a counter argument is it? ~Sorry but it does not show Saddam planning or beng any part of international terror. Whinging about that won't make your claim true. But look at it this way it won't make it any more false. LOL! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm > > Palestinians get Saddam funds > > > Iraq regularly parades volunteers to "liberate Palestine" > Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of > Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel. This is the same story as above! > Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants > and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques. > > "Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a > banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader > Yasser Arafat at the ceremony. > > With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned > the United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support > for terrorism. > > Saddam's payments > $10,000 per family > $25,000 for family of a suicide bomber > $35m paid since September 2000 > PALF figures > One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from > the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group. Yes. so what? Giving money to the family of a dead terrorist AFTER he is dead is not supporting what he did! NORAID did it in the US! The UK government does it! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:p21hl3latf4vb68i0is8of5b3f6lmhb1gc@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:44:13 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>biased surce. > > DROP FUCKING DEAD! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm > > The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of > radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. > "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary > Spencer Abraham in a statement. This claim is clearly WRONG! Washington post. U.S. Removed Radioactive Materials From Iraq Facility By Walter Pincus Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, July 7, 2004; Page A16 Now in THAT source you find that it was NOT ENRICHED URANIUM and you will find: Less sensitive radiological materials -- used for medical, agricultural or industrial purposes -- were left in Iraq, according to a Department of Energy statement. and... Tuwaitha was once the center of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons effort, but its equipment was dismantled at the direction of U.N. inspectors in the early 1990s as part of the agreement following Iraq's surrender in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. The U.N. inspectors removed highly enriched uranium that could be used for weapons and shipped it for storage in Russia. The low-enriched uranium was placed under seal in storage at Tuwaitha but under the control of the IAEA. and... In April 2003, just days after the statue of Hussein in Baghdad was pulled down, a U.S. Marine engineering company took a close look at Tuwaitha, which is 30 miles south of Baghdad. There they found guards had abandoned their posts and looters were roaming the giant facility. At one storage building, which later was found to hold radioactive samples used in research, the radiation levels were too high to enter safely, although the entrance door stood wide open. A month later, the Pentagon rejected suggestions that U.N. inspectors be allowed to reenter Iraq but agreed the IAEA experts could return to secure the uranium that had been under its seal for years. [end quote] NOT ENRICHED! NON WEAPONS GRADE! UNDER SEAL! KNOWN ABOUT! ENRICHMENT MACHINERY DISMANTLED! LOL! Funny how the spin doctors morph this into a weapons system. LOL! > > He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of > the hands of terrorists". But the UN SEALED IT in 1991! and it remainedlike that untill the US bombed it! > > Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly > radioactive sources" were also removed. IT WAS NOT ENRICHED URANIUM! > > The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 > June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy > Department's secret laboratories. > > It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint > operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored > temporarily at a Department of Energy facility. AND SENT TO RUSSIA! > > The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy > Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation, > which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty. YES. BUT THEY ALREADY KNEW! They HAD To be informed because they SEALED it over a decade before! Any eral evidence of WMD? Here let me help you: 1991-97 Under the supervision of UNSCOM weapons inspectors, Iraq destroys more than 38,000 filled and unfilled chemical munitions, 690 tons of chemical warfare agents, over 3,000 tons of precursor chemicals, more than 400 pieces of production equipment [united Nations Special Commission, 4/16/1998] , 48 missiles, 8 mobile missile launchers, and 29 missile warheads modified to carry chemical or biological agents. [united Nations Special Commission, 1/29/1998] After cross-referencing weapons-making materials found in Iraq with sales records from other countries, UNSCOM inspectors conclude that at least 90 percent of Iraq's weapons have been destroyed or dismantled. Chief UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter believes that a good portion of the remaining 10 percent was destroyed during the First Gulf War, thus leaving only a small fraction unaccounted for. [Truthout (.org), 7/24/2002; Newsday, 7/30/2002] Aug 22 1995: Hussein Kamel. [source: Associated Press]Hussein Kamel, Iraq's former minister of military industry-who was Saddam Hussein's son-in-law and who had overseen Iraq's nuclear, chemical, biological and missile weapons programs for almost a decade-is interviewed shortly after defecting by UNMOVIC Executive Chairman Rolf Ekeus, Professor Maurizio Zifferero, deputy director of the Internal Atomic Energy Agency,and Nikita Smidovick of UNSCOM. During the interview, Kamel says that Iraq had destroyed all of its banned weapons after the First Gulf War. "I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons-biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed," he tells his interviewers. With regard to Anthrax, which Kamel says had been the "main focus" of Iraq's biological program, Kamel says, "nothing remained." Regarding the nerve gas, VX, Kamel says, "they put it in bombs during last days of the Iran-Iraq war. They were not used and the program was terminated." When asked if the program had been reconstituted, Kamel replies, "We changed the factory into pesticide production. Part of the establishment started to produce medicine. We gave instructions not to produce chemical weapons." On the issue of prohibited missiles, Kamel states: "[N]ot a single missile left but they had blueprints and molds for production. All missiles were destroyed." Kamel also says that inspections worked in Iraq. "You have important role in Iraq with this. You should not underestimate yourself. You are very effective in Iraq," he reveals. But this information is not made public. Newsweek reports in March 2003 that according to its sources, "Kamel's revelations about the destruction of Iraq's WMD stocks were hushed up by the UN inspectors. for two reasons. Saddam did not know how much Kamel had revealed, and the inspectors hoped to bluff Saddam into disclosing still more." [scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek, 3/3/2003] Kamel also says that Khidhir Hamza, an Iraqi nuclear scientist who defected in 1994 and who will be a source for claims regarding Iraq's alleged nuclear weapons program in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, is "a professional liar." He tells his interviewers, "He worked with us, but he was useless and always looking for promotions.. He consulted with me but could not deliver anything.. He was even interrogated by a team before he left and was allowed to go." [New York Review of Books, 2/26/2004] At around the same time, Kamel is also interviewed by the CIA and Britain's MI6. According to sources interviewed by Newsweek, Kamel provides them with the same information. [scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek, 3/3/2003 Sources: Unnamed sources] But after this is revealed on February 24, 2003 by Newsweek's John Barry, the CIA issues a strong denial. "It is incorrect, bogus, wrong, untrue," CIA spokesman Bill Harlow will say. [Reuters, 2/24/2003] October 1997 Hans Blix. [source: Dean Calma / IAEA]Hans Blix, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, writes in a letter to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan that there is no evidence that Iraq has an active nuclear weapons program. Blix says that the agency now has a "technically coherent picture of Iraq's clandestine nuclear program," despite some missing evidence and gaps in knowledge. He states with certainty the following: [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications to suggest that Iraq was successful in its attempt to produce nuclear weapons. Iraq's explanation of its progress towards the finalization of a workable design for its nuclear weapons is considered to be consistent with the resources and time scale indicated by the available program documentation. However, no documentation or other evidence is available to show the actual status of the weapon design when the program was interrupted." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "Iraq was at, or close to, the threshold of success in such areas as the production of HEU [high-enriched uranium] through the EMIS [electromagnetic isotope separation] process, the production and pilot cascading of single-cylinder sub-critical gas centrifuge machines, and the fabrication of the explosive package for a nuclear weapon." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications to suggest that Iraq had produced more that a few grams of weapon-usable nuclear material (HEU or separated plutonium) through its indigenous processes, all of which has been removed from Iraq." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications that Iraq otherwise acquired weapon-usable nuclear material." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "All of the safeguarded research reactor fuel, including the HEU fuel that Iraq had planned to divert to its 'crash program,' was verified and fully accounted for by the IAEA and removed from Iraq." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] "There are no indications that there remains in Iraq any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapon-usable nuclear material of any practical significance." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997] 1998: Experts report that Iraq has failed to adequately account for 500 mustard-gas shells, 25 "special warheads," 150 aerial bombs, 2 scud missiles [Christian Science Monitor, 8/29/2002] , 520 kilograms of yeast extract growth medium specifically for anthrax [NewsMax, 9/4/2002] , 15,000 122 mm artillery shells, 25,000 rockets and several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX. [Cirincione, Wolfsthal, and Rajkumar, 6/2002; BBC, 9/11/2002] 25 Special Warheads - Iraq failed to account for 25 special warheads. Former UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter will tell the Christian Science Monitor in mid-2002, "Even if he hid some warheads, they would have degenerated by now." [Christian Science Monitor, 8/29/2002] Scud Missiles - Iraq has accounted for or destroyed 817 of its 819 Scud missiles. [united Nations Special Commission, 1/29/1998] It is later suggested by experts, such as former UN inspector Scott Ritter and Charles Duelfer of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, that Iraq could possibly salvage and manufacture enough components to build up a store of between five and 25 missiles. [bBC, 9/11/2002] But as the San Francisco Chronicle later notes, citing unnamed weapons experts, "there is no evidence that these have been tested or that Iraq has any functional launchers." [san Francisco Chronicle, 10/12/2002] 8,5000 liters of anthrax - Iraq maintains that these remaining stores of Anthrax were unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991, however they offer no evidence of this. [scotsman, 2/24/2003] Scott Ritter, a former Marine intelligence officer and chief weapons inspector, will later say that evidence indicates that Iraq's liquid bulk anthrax has not been produced by Iraq since 1991. Furthermore, he adds, the factory where Iraq had produced the pathogen was destroyed in 1996. He says that any anthrax produced before then is no longer a threat to anyone because after three years liquid bulk anthrax becomes "useless sludge." [Reuters, 2/8/2002] Several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX - UNSCOM is unable to account for several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX. Iraq maintains that these remaining stocks were unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. [scotsman, 2/24/2003] In March 2003, UNMOVIC, the successor to UNSCOM, will report that Iraq's production method created nerve agent that lasted only six to eight weeks. [independent, 6/1/2003] Critics believe that most of these stocks were destroyed during the First Gulf War. Scott Ritter, a former chief weapons inspector, speaking at the Suffolk Law School building in downtown Boston, will say on July of 2002: "The research and development factory is destroyed [a Gulf War bomb destroyed the production facility on January 23, 1991]. The product of that factory is destroyed. The weapons they loaded up have been destroyed. More importantly, the equipment procured from Europe that was going to be used for their large-scale VX nerve agent factory was identified by the special commission-still packed in its crates in 1997-and destroyed. Is there a VX nerve agent factory in Iraq today? Not on your life." [Truthout (.org), 7/24/2002] 1999: A special panel of the UN Security Council reports that "the declared facilities of Iraq's biological weapons program have been destroyed and rendered harmless." [united Nations, 3/30/1999; Guardian, 5/15/2002] So where is the US in this:(2001-2003) The US intelligence community-most notably the intelligence gatherers working in the Pentagon offices under Douglas Feith (see September 2002) -bases several of its intelligence assessments concerning Iraq on information offered by the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and by Iraqi defectors provided by the INC, despite warnings from the State Department and some CIA analysts that the lobbying group cannot be trusted. [New Yorker, 5/12/2003; Salon, 7/16/2003; Guardian, 7/17/2003; Inter Press Service, 8/7/2003; Independent, 9/30/2003; Mother Jones, 1/2004 Sources: Greg Thielmann, Unnamed administration official] The INC's primary intelligence organization is its Information Collection Program (ICP), which conducts about 20 percent of all US intelligence's verbal debriefings of Iraqi prisoners, insurgents, and defectors. [bamford, 2004, pp. 336-337] Some of the INC's intelligence on Iraq is reportedly funneled directly to the office of Vice President Dick Cheney by Francis Brooke, the DC lobbyist for the group. [Newsweek, 12/15/2003 Sources: Memo, Francis Brooke] Brooke will later acknowedge that the information provided by the INC was driven by an agenda. "I told them [the INC], as their campaign manager, 'Go get me a terrorist and some WMD, because that's what the Bush administration is interested in.'" [Vanity Fair, 5/2004, pp. 230] Brooke had previously worked for the Rendon Group, "a shadowy CIA-connected public-relations firm." [Mother Jones, 1/2004] Feb 2001: CIA director George Tenet testifies to Congress that Iraq possesses no weapons of mass destruction and poses no threat to the United State. He says, "We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since [Operation] Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs, although given its past behavior, this type of activity must be regarded as likely.. We assess that since the suspension of [uN] inspections in December of 1998, Baghdad has had the capability to reinitiate both its [chemical and biological weapons] programs. without an inspection monitoring program, however, it is more difficult to determine if Iraq has done so." He continues, "Moreover, the automated video monitoring systems installed by the UN at known and suspect WMD facilities in Iraq are still not operating. Having lost this on-the-ground access, it is more difficult for the UN or the US to accurately assess the current state of Iraq's WMD programs." Rumsfeld also discusses al-Qaeda, calling it "the most immediate and serious threat" to US interests [scoop, 6/27/2003] At a joint press conference with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, Colin Powell says that Iraq has been successfully contained. "What we and other allies have been doing in the region, have succeeded in containing Saddam Hussein and his ambitions. His forces are about one-third their original size. They don't really possess the capability to attack their neighbors the way they did ten years ago.. Containment has been a successful policy." [uS Department of State, 2/20/2001] During a press briefing held aboard a plane en route to Cairo, Egypt, Colin Powell says: "Though [the Iraqis] may be pursuing weapons of mass destruction of all kinds. It is not clear how successful they have been. We ought to declare [sanctions] a success. We have kept [saddam Hussein] contained, kept him in his box." [uS Department of State, 2/23/2001; Time, 3/24/2003; Star Tribune (Minneapolis), 1/28/2004] Secretary of State Colin Powell travels to Cairo and meets with his counterpart Amre Moussa. Following up on his statements from the day before Powell says sanctions against the Iraqi government: "[F]rankly they have worked. [saddam Hussein] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq.." Powell adds, "[H]e threatens not the United States." [uS Department of State, 2/24/2003; Mirror, 9/22/2003; Associated Press, 9/25/2003] Some nineteen months later, when Powell is asked to explain why his assessment of Iraq had so drastically changed over such a short span of time, Powell will say, ". I did not say he (Iraqi President Saddam Hussein) didn't have weapons of mass destruction.. He was a threat then. The extent of his holdings were yet to be determined. It was early in the administration and the fact of the matter is it was long before 9/11 (the date of the 2001 attacks on the United States).. A lot changed between February 2001 (and the invasion), but I don't find anything inconsistent between what I said then and what I've said all along." [uS Department of State, 9/25/2003; Associated Press, 9/25/2003; Washington Post, 9/26/2003] May 2001: Secretary of State Colin Powell, in testimony before the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee, says that Saddam Hussein has been effectively contained by sanctions. He says, "The sanctions. have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction-chemical, biological and nuclear-I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago. So containment, using this arms control sanctions regime, I think has been reasonably successful. We have not been able to get the inspectors back in, though, to verify that, and we have not been able to get the inspectors in to pull up anything that might be left there. So we have to continue to view this regime with the greatest suspicion, attribute to them the most negative motives, which is quite well-deserved with this particular regime, and roll the sanctions over, and roll them over in a way where the arms control sanctions really go after their intended targets-weapons of mass destruction-and not go after civilian goods or civilian commodities that we really shouldn't be going after, just let that go to the Iraqi people." [uS Congress, 5/15/2001; Mirror, 9/22/2003] 2002: The CIA's Joint Task Force on Iraq, headed by career officer Valerie Wilson, sends approximately 30 Iraqi-American civilians back to Iraq to interrogate family members who are weapons scientists. The agency hopes that the operation will help close some gaps in the agency's Iraq intelligence. The plan was devised by Charlie Allen, the CIA's assistant director for collection. The operation produces a very accurate picture of Iraq's weapons programs, though the CIA does not realize this at the time. Every single one of family members (see, e.g., May 2002-September 2002) participating in the program return from Iraq with the same information-that Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs have long since been abandoned. The program is short-lived. It is shut down by officials in the CIA's Directorate of Operations who are reportedly jealous of Charlie Allen's incursions onto its operational turf. The program's results are buried and never distributed to other bodies within the intelligence community. [Risen, 2006, pp. 183-184; Isikoff and Corn, 2006, pp. 12-14] AND THEN 2002-2003: In the lead-up to the war, top Bush administration officials make strong statements asserting that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. The administration claims that it has incontrovertible evidence, though no such evidence is disclosed to the public-neither before nor after the invasion. [Chicago Tribune, 2/7/2002; Daily Telegraph, 8/21/2002; Guardian, 8/22/2002; White House, 8/26/2002; US Department of Defense, 9/3/2002; Associated Press, 9/3/2002; United Press International, 9/3/2002; Associated Press, 9/8/2002; NewsMax, 9/8/2002; PBS, 9/12/2002; US President, 9/16/2002; US President, 10/14/2002; CBC News, 12/5/2002; Associated Press, 1/7/2003; White House, 1/9/2003; US President, 2/3/2003; US Department of State, 2/5/2003; US Department of State, 2/5/2003; White House, 3/21/2003; US President, 3/24/2003; Age (Melbourne), 6/7/2003; Village Voice, 6/18/2003; Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 7/13/2003; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, 7/17/2003; Fox News, 8/20/2003; Associated Press, 12/5/2003] This is about ten percent of the doccuments I can produce but I think itis enough of a sample to be getting on with. which ones in particular would you like to claim is a wrong source? the UN? The Whitehouse? Colin (I changed my story later) Powell? George (like what Powell was just saying) Tenet? Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:fh1hl3l6uqapasbqifnnnqggbghnftbaq1@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>This is funny. LOL! > > YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF MUZZIE_APOLOGIST SHIT! I dont have to apologise for Muslims no more than I have to apologise for Christians Jews Hindus or members of any other religion. > > > > http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html > > U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of > truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks > before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said > yesterday. LOL! Funny how the US didnt say that at the time isnt it? And if they knew this then why didnt they INTERCEPT them? http://www.nti.org/f_wmd411/f1b3_1.html Debate over Iraq Intelligence. A debate has erupted over the alleged misuse of intelligence by British and U.S. sources to justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq. A 2002 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) claimed that Iraq was rebuilding its nuclear weapon program, actively pursuing chemical and biological weapons, and had developed missiles with ranges that violated United Nations restrictions. However, thorough inspections and investigations by the 1,200 member Iraq Survey Group (ISG) after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, turned up no evidence that Iraq had active weapons of mass destruction programs. In October 2004, the United States released a 918-page report (called the "Duelfer Report" after its author) with the ISG's findings. The report concludes that the 1991 Gulf War and subsequent UN sanctions and inspections destroyed Iraq's ability to build a nuclear weapon program and eliminated its long-range missile inventory and production capability. The report also states that Iraq abandoned its interest in biological weapons in the mid-1990s, and Iraq has no production facilities for chemical weapons or the key precursors to such weapons. Given the Duelfer Report's findings, the 2002 NIE, which was pivotal in President Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was incorrect in its primary conclusions. A March 2005 report to the U.S. President that assesses the intelligence failure in Iraq states: The failure was in large part the result of analytical shortcomings; intelligence analysts were too wedded to their assumptions about Saddam's intentions. But it was also a failure on the part of those who collect intelligence--CIA's and Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) spies, the National Security Agency's (NSA) eavesdroppers, and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's (NGA) imagery experts. In the end, those agencies collected precious little intelligence for the analysts to analyze, and much of what they did collect was either worthless or misleading. Finally, it was a failure to communicate effectively with policymakers; the Intelligence Community didn't adequately explain just how little good intelligence it had--or how much its assessments were driven by assumptions and inferences rather than concrete evidence. (Overview, p. 3) The report then offers recommendations for reforming the Intelligence Community based on the lessons learned from the Iraq mistakes. A similar report (The Butler Report) by a British commission charged with investigating WMD intelligence criticizes British intelligence with respect to Iraq, and particularly the government's failure to point out the limitations of the information it relied on when joining the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. > > The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment from > its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition of > anonymity. If they knew where the sites were why have they never shown a single one? They were bombing them from the Aair for weeks. But apparently ALL the bombs dropped on these sites MISSED! LOL! Not a single hit for them to say "Look here is where we hit the WMD site! Get the UN to come here and examine the soil you will find evidence of WMD" Nope they ALL MISSED! And then the Iraqui forces MOVED the WMD from right under their noses and all the US could do (in spite of TOTAL AIR CONTROL) was take pictures. http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/duelfer.html http://www.whitehouse.gov/wmd/ Please try to keep up to date. You really really WANT there to be WMD dont you? And some people really really wanted the Sun to be going round the fixed Earth! > > According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence > Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of > trucks from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border." > > The official said the convoys are believed to include shipments of > sensitive armaments, including equipment used in making plastic > explosives and nuclear weapons. > > About 380 tons of RDX and HMX, used in making such arms, were reported > missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility,... LOL reported by whom? When? Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:04 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:fh1hl3l6uqapasbqifnnnqggbghnftbaq1@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>This is funny. LOL! >> >> YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF MUZZIE_APOLOGIST SHIT! > >I dont have to apologise for Muslims no more than I have to apologise for >Christians Jews Hindus or members of any other religion. >> >> >> >> http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html >> >> U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of >> truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks >> before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said >> yesterday. > >LOL! Funny how the US didnt say that at the time isnt it? You think _everything_ is declassified in a situation like that? Stupid fuckwit. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:04 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:p21hl3latf4vb68i0is8of5b3f6lmhb1gc@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:44:13 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>biased surce. >> >> DROP FUCKING DEAD! >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm >> >> The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of >> radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. >> "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary >> Spencer Abraham in a statement. > >This claim is clearly WRONG! BULLSHIT! >The 1,000 "sources" evacuated in the Iraqi operation included a "huge range" of radioactive items used for medical purposes and industrial purposes, a spokesman for the Energy Department's National Nuclear Security Administration told AP news agency. > >Bryan Wilkes said much of the material was "in powdered form, which is easily dispersed". > Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:04 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:oc1hl39q9ecjjlvgkkd8sc4ps19m1c5toa@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:58 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>>news:o2kgl3le6vdgqt5jn7jr2mjvq2bs4etf8q@4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>>> >>>>>where are the proven links to al Qaeda and >>>>>world terror organisations? >>>> >>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8} >>> >>>Self admitted biased source! but let us look at this. >>> >>>> >>>> THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall, >>>> those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to >>>> this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will >>>> henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide >>>> bombers. >>> >>>Here we go again! i have dealt with this before on soc.culture.iraq >> >> Fuck you and fuck your "dealing with " anything you festering p[ile of >> SHIT! > >LOL! When you don't like the message You're a lying piece of shit - period! Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:03 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:a71hl3dac5q5bv9bii7ksk1e0q12td5ocs@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>>news:b9kgl39evinqs6qs1a6uo6e6kqu8im9i34@4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>LOL! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615 >>>> >>>> March 22, 2005 >>>[snip] >> >> FUCK YOU! >> >>>Already dealt with elsewhere soc.culture.Iraq >> >> March 22, 2005 >> >> Share Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an >> apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as >> far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News. >> >> The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando >> Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim >> government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of >> Baghdad, near Samarra. >> >> As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by >> sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars. >> >> Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an >> estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions. > >Not evidence of any link between Iraq and Al Khyda! None neeeded. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:03 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:g91hl3lumab30arpmdr9caahmc5l9kqvrq@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>You are >>>not going to see WMD in IRAQ >> >> http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php >> >LOL > >You keep reposting stuff that has already been debunked. Not by the likes of you, SHITWAD! http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd.html Syria WMD Programs Locations 36 Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:2d2hl3hr4n142bdcsfer1o00lmvqd71bem@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:19 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>> Fuck off LIAR! >>> >>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html >> >> >>LOL Fox news is a reliable source now is it? >> > > > Care to factually REBUT it? I already did! It wasnt weapons grade enriched Uranium The UN discovered it in 1991! They SEALED it in 1991! The US were worried that they might have broken seals when they bombed it! THey sent it to Russia! The UN also decommissioned the enrichment facility back in 1991! i also supplied you with info about Several inspections reports and information from Kamal who was in charg of Iraqs WMD programme under Saddam happeded between 1991-1998. Inspectors returned in 2003 and nothing had changed! But you keep posting the same rebutted story : > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm > > US reveals Iraq nuclear operation > > > Abraham called the operation a "major achievement" > The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of > radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. > "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary > Spencer Abraham in a statement. > > He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of > the hands of terrorists". > > Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly > radioactive sources" were also removed. > > The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 > June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy > Department's secret laboratories. > > It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint > operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored > temporarily at a Department of Energy facility. > > The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy > Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation, > which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty. > > > Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:vg2hl3158mtip5mmoerkienih3v42s0l25@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:05 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >>NO LINKS between Al Quaeda and Salman Pak! > > AQ is NOT the only terror sponsor! Oh I do aplogise. No evidence of Saddam working in international terror with any Islamic fundamentalist group. I take it you accept he whsnt working with AQ then? By the way what is a "terrorist" according to you? > > http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm > > Salman Pak / Al Salman > Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret > terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and > non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, > planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations. You keep posting this as well and I have to rebuke you on that since it is way past the substantial rebuttal with wich you have been supplied! > > The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was - A HOAX! [snip - already dealt with] Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:rn1hl3pt2n91fo29l63bo47j1m28j0c8i0@4ax.com... > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:51:23 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>news:q0kgl3t4ps3csdiqejhe5ei1qjcr2655fi@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>>>We are not arguing about "they THOUGHT they were right at the time" as >>>>if >>>>that is an excuse! THEY CLAIMED THEY KNEW! They DIDNT KNOW ! >>> >>> >>> PROVE IT!!!!! >>> >>> PROVE the intel conformed by over a dozen natiions was known, at the >>> time, to be false! >>> >>> PROVE IT! >> >>It isnt up to me to do that > > YES it IS, you ASSWIPE! No it isn't it is called "proving a negative" and "shifting the burden" look it up under "logical fallacy" In any case I did supply you with some evidence and asked you to rebut any of it. Quote
Guest Hertz Donut Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote in message news:MW16j.2$fl3.0@amsnews12... > > "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message > news:vg2hl3158mtip5mmoerkienih3v42s0l25@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:05 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>NO LINKS between Al Quaeda and Salman Pak! >> >> AQ is NOT the only terror sponsor! > > > > Oh I do aplogise. No evidence of Saddam working in international terror > with any Islamic fundamentalist group. > I take it you accept he whsnt working with AQ then? By the way what is a > "terrorist" according to you? Liberals do no believe in terrorists...they think they do not exist (or at least that's the way they act). Honu Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:08:44 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:2d2hl3hr4n142bdcsfer1o00lmvqd71bem@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:19 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>> Fuck off LIAR! >>>> >>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html >>> >>> >>>LOL Fox news is a reliable source now is it? >>> >> >> >> Care to factually REBUT it? > > >I already did! Nope. >Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist." > Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:08:44 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:vg2hl3158mtip5mmoerkienih3v42s0l25@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:05 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>>NO LINKS between Al Quaeda and Salman Pak! >> >> AQ is NOT the only terror sponsor! > > > >Oh I do aplogise. No evidence of Saddam working in international terror YOU FUCKING LIAR!!!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel. Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques. "Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat at the ceremony. With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned the United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support for terrorism. Saddam's payments $10,000 per family $25,000 for family of a suicide bomber $35m paid since September 2000 PALF figures One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group. A Hamas suicide bomber's family got $25,000 while the others - relatives of militants killed in fighting or civilians killed during Israeli military operations - all received $10,000 each. Another banner in the hall described the cheques as the "blessings of Saddam Hussein" and PALF speakers extolled the Iraqi leader in fiery speeches. "Saddam Hussein considers those who die in martyrdom attacks as people who have won the highest degree of martyrdom," said one. The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families since the current uprising began in September 2000. Saddam's avowed support for the Palestinians, and his missile attacks on Israel during the Gulf War, have won him wide backing in the territories. Quote
Guest Western Road Co. Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:08:49 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >news:rn1hl3pt2n91fo29l63bo47j1m28j0c8i0@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:51:23 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >> >>> >>>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>>news:q0kgl3t4ps3csdiqejhe5ei1qjcr2655fi@4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>>> >>>>>We are not arguing about "they THOUGHT they were right at the time" as >>>>>if >>>>>that is an excuse! THEY CLAIMED THEY KNEW! They DIDNT KNOW ! >>>> >>>> >>>> PROVE IT!!!!! >>>> >>>> PROVE the intel conformed by over a dozen natiions was known, at the >>>> time, to be false! >>>> >>>> PROVE IT! >>> >>>It isnt up to me to do that >> >> YES it IS, you ASSWIPE! > >No it isn't YES it IS, you ASSWIPE! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:e6ahl39n13cdoardjq9p6e91a2ous8t3te@4ax.com... > On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:04 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>news:fh1hl3l6uqapasbqifnnnqggbghnftbaq1@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>>>This is funny. LOL! >>> >>> YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF MUZZIE_APOLOGIST SHIT! >> >>I dont have to apologise for Muslims no more than I have to apologise for >>Christians Jews Hindus or members of any other religion. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html >>> >>> U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of >>> truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks >>> before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said >>> yesterday. >> >>LOL! Funny how the US didnt say that at the time isnt it? > > You think _everything_ is declassified in a situation like that? Yep! Especially when the US say We know where the WMD are and we will show the world. then apparently they find them but keep quiet about them for years! LOL! At the same time you claim that they DIDN'T find them because the clever Iraqis sneaked them into Syria past the whole US army! so they knew they were in Iraq and also know they they were in Syria at the same time! LOL! And I thought only God could be in two places at once! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:q7ahl3pitcascs4u5ckmk2blti27mdssv9@4ax.com... > On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:04 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > >> >>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message >>news:p21hl3latf4vb68i0is8of5b3f6lmhb1gc@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:44:13 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" >>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: >>> >>>>biased surce. >>> >>> DROP FUCKING DEAD! >>> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm >>> >>> The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of >>> radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. >>> "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary >>> Spencer Abraham in a statement. >> >>This claim is clearly WRONG! > > BULLSHIT! It is WRONG! It was not enriched (weapons grade) Uranium THe centerfuges and Uranium were discovered AND SEALED by the UN in 1991! > >>The 1,000 "sources" evacuated in the Iraqi operation included a "huge >>range" of radioactive items used for medical purposes and industrial >>purposes, a spokesman for the Energy Department's National Nuclear >>Security Administration told AP news agency. Yeah and there is a huge range of medical radioactives used in many countries. so wjhat? It ISN'T WMD! >>Bryan Wilkes said much of the material was "in powdered form, which is >>easily dispersed". >> I have used radioactives for research. It isn't uncommon to have small pieces! so what? The real threat of powdered form is that of BIOLOGICAL WMD! The threat of Nukes is not related to powdered Radioactives at all! Quote
Guest Mavisbeacon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 "Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message news:0bahl3pri6s2qar6pd3l8cet8d592fg0f1@4ax.com... > On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:55:03 GMT, "Mavisbeacon" > <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled: > [snip] >> >>Not evidence of any link between Iraq and Al Khyda! > > None neeeded. Actually that is a logical fallacy! the burden of proof is on the claimant! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence! Quote
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