papabryant
I am an Idiot
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- Feb 7, 2005
What I find amazing here is you demand a subjective experience before you would believe, yet when someone says that is what they have had and tells you how you can have it too you deny them their own experience! THAT'S some nerve, buddy...I do not need an "infinate reference point" to tell when a person is 'motivated' by evil or good. I do not need to meet the infalably good perfect being in order to recognize either. What I find puzzling about your statment in this regard is, Xtians are in the business of selling exactly what your telling me no man can do. Which is defining good and evil. How can they do this, I ask? Hmmm, well I guees its because they know god. Most Xtians will tell you this. "I have a personal relationship with Jesus". No you ****ing don't!!! You think you do, you say you do, BUT YOU DON'T!!!
Can you prove this? That your god is dealing with .....anything? OK well maybe thats a loaded question. Hmmmm, the above paragraph is loaded with Xtian land mines, polished throught time as the story of the bible has fallen apart. I had better be careful here as i'm sure you have a snappy christian bumpersticker your prepared to qoute.
Yes, I can. And as I have said, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED to say the Bible has "fallen apart". You can only ignore for some outside reason (Stupidity, ignorance of the facts, etc, etc.). The question is whether or not you will give the explanation a fair hearing. Given the nature of your replies this posting (as opposed to the more rational if still erroneous ones prior), you HAVEN'T. My suggestion, made in all seriousness and friendship, LOOK AGAIN. And don't stop when you come to some conclusion. Confirm it. Look for refutations and confirm them.
Well, Papa, isn't that what you are doing, appealing to authority, you jerk? How much do you know? Answer: Enough to know how little these other people with the clown noses know. Enough to know that we spend too much time on our asses watching television when we should be bettering ourselves. Enough to know that even the best scholars sometimes miss things.
Really what you wrote here is romantic and sounds quite nice. But where is the method to all this madness? What reason is there for all this? A perfect mystery contribed by simple humans whom wished to sell a new form of control and government. If somebody asks me to do something I naturaly ask "why?". Ill dumb it down for all to comprehend. Why would god, in his infinate wisdom, create so many people in life as a means of 'judging' their souls only to then take posession of their souls provide a settlement for them in the afterlife? I know you don't know the answer, (TOM- Actually, see my point about the crack babies on http://Off Topic Forum.com/showthread.php?p=385866#post385866) but this has always been the logic that denies me the ability to pledge faith in god. You have alot of terms that sound almost definitive of your god, omnipotent, omnipresent, all-seeing, all-knowing. I have terms that I know to be fact for your god. Invisible, uncomunicable, and powerless.
Invisible: Because no one can see him. If I could see him I would change my ways and help to make the world a better place. (without becoming a "robot")
Uncomunicable: Because no one hears him. If I could I would know of his true power and would do my best to make the world a better place. (without becoming a "robot".)
Powerless: Because he has no power here. If he had power would he not use it to help the ones he loves?
Let me also dumb this down, not to call you dumb but to make sure there is no ambiguity to my answer.
YOU ARE WRONG!
You are asking for cursive writing when the block letters are right in front of you. I have NO doubt about what you would do upon "seeing" God. My contention is "Put on your glasses 'cause He's right in front of you - how can you NOT see Him!"
This is what I mean by Putting on your glasses. The great act you ask for has been provided. It was called the Resurrection, and while many have ignored it and dismissed it without careful examination NO ONE FOR THE LAST 2000 YEARS HAS BEEN ABLE TO REFUTE IT.I have an answer for this. God would not have to create "robots" in order to express his power and his will. He would not have to destroy evil in order to accomplish this. It would require a great act. An act that could not be disputed by man as the act of god. In essence he would merely need to provide man with an account of himself, his power, his glory, in order to fairly provide man with the knowledge of god.
Relook Jhony. Its worth it.
I agree; see the earlier definition of pistis.Which is my point exactly. Knowledge and faith should never be seperated by man when considering the merits of any subject. If you split the two, then you have nothing of real substance.
Peace,
Tom