Confederate flag under fire
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Ok so I understand the right to protest, it's freedom of speech. Although I do not know the intent behind the hanging of the flag so I cannot agree or disagree with that, isn't it also a freedom in this country to fly whatever flag you wish on your property? I know if the US flag is flown no other flag is supposed to fly with it, but if you choose to display a flag other than the US one isn't that also your right? I don't know, I guess I will have to wait and see if the flag is being flown by some fool sho thinks it is a white pride thing, or someone from teh south who wanted to bring a piece north with them (though I won't agree if it is the former, I have to concede it is still within a person's freedom to fly it)
Side note : Asbury Park NJ is a predominantle black comunity.
Side note : Asbury Park NJ is a predominantle black comunity.
angie
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It is their right to fly that flag if they choose to do so.
However, unless it is in fact someone from the South, it sounds like this person is just trying to piss people off. But that's their choice. If someone shoots up their apartment, I think they will know why.
However, unless it is in fact someone from the South, it sounds like this person is just trying to piss people off. But that's their choice. If someone shoots up their apartment, I think they will know why.
I honestly don't know about where this person is from, but I do know the building and I know it DOES house bands passing through the area to either play or record so it is possible it is NOT some idiot trying desperately to be a smart ass (though I am inclined to think it is) I will post more about the story if i see it. Asbury Park has a long history of racial tensions and was a big player in teh riots of '61. It is economically depressed and currently undergoing redevelopement which is also putting it at the forfront of teh eminent domain issue. It used to be a beautiful city, my mom spent many a day as a child being dragged there for shopping at Bloomingdales and teh boardwalk once had a beautiful casino and until recently an amazing carousel. It has gone to the shitter though. It is famous now, only for the "Stone Pony" where bruce springsteen started out and still comes back to now and then.
Komrade Vostok Hazard
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Get That ****ing White Trash, Slavery Promoting, Redneck Symbol Off The Face Of The Earth
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Silmaril39
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While I don't believe in slavery in any form I believe that it is anyones right to display any flag they desire as long as it isn't deliberatly disrespectful (Flag upside down etc.). Many people forget that the Confederate Flag stood for states rights and the civil war was not about slavery until President Lincoln made it so.
Also, people protest the display of the Confederate flag (mostly Liberals), but it is often these same people who where shirts celebrating heros of communism such as Che Guevera or others, these people, and the ideals that they fought for oppressed and killed millions upon millions of people around the world, far more I'm willing to bet, than slavery in the United States ever touched.
Also, people protest the display of the Confederate flag (mostly Liberals), but it is often these same people who where shirts celebrating heros of communism such as Che Guevera or others, these people, and the ideals that they fought for oppressed and killed millions upon millions of people around the world, far more I'm willing to bet, than slavery in the United States ever touched.
Gray~Gal
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Msixty is right. The reason the civil war started was industrial....Also the Southern States wanted to run themselves, not have on leader like the president telling them what to do. They wanted almost a republic kind of goverment. The confederate flag had nothing to do with slavery. Did you know many people in the NORTH also had slaves. And the only reason that was brought up was because abe Lincoln signed the emancipation Proclamation.
"In the early part of the Civil War, President Lincoln refrained from issuing an edict freeing the slaves despite the insistent urgings of abolitionists. Believing that the war was being fought solely to preserve the Union, he sought to avoid alienating the slaveholding border states that had remained in the Union. "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." He wrote these words to Horace Greeley on Aug. 22, 1862, in answer to criticism from that administration gadfly; he had, however, long since decided, after much reflection, to adopt the third course."Purpose of the Proclamation
The proclamation did not reflect Lincoln's desired solution for the slavery problem. He continued to favor gradual emancipation, to be undertaken voluntarily by the states, with federal compensation to slaveholders, a plan he considered eminently just in view of the common responsibility of North and South for the existence of slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was chiefly a declaration of policy, which, it was hoped, would serve as an opening wedge in depleting the South's great manpower reserve in slaves and, equally important, would enhance the Union cause in the eyes of Europeans, especially the British.
No one cared if people had slaves, it was some peoples way of life.
The flag later got a "BAD REP" because some sheet heads wanted to use it as there call sign....You know it was a hertiage and some people were proud of it...A WAY OF LIFE...No one used it as a SLAVE SIGN...KNOW YOUR CIVIL HISTORY
"In the early part of the Civil War, President Lincoln refrained from issuing an edict freeing the slaves despite the insistent urgings of abolitionists. Believing that the war was being fought solely to preserve the Union, he sought to avoid alienating the slaveholding border states that had remained in the Union. "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." He wrote these words to Horace Greeley on Aug. 22, 1862, in answer to criticism from that administration gadfly; he had, however, long since decided, after much reflection, to adopt the third course."Purpose of the Proclamation
The proclamation did not reflect Lincoln's desired solution for the slavery problem. He continued to favor gradual emancipation, to be undertaken voluntarily by the states, with federal compensation to slaveholders, a plan he considered eminently just in view of the common responsibility of North and South for the existence of slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was chiefly a declaration of policy, which, it was hoped, would serve as an opening wedge in depleting the South's great manpower reserve in slaves and, equally important, would enhance the Union cause in the eyes of Europeans, especially the British.
No one cared if people had slaves, it was some peoples way of life.
The flag later got a "BAD REP" because some sheet heads wanted to use it as there call sign....You know it was a hertiage and some people were proud of it...A WAY OF LIFE...No one used it as a SLAVE SIGN...KNOW YOUR CIVIL HISTORY
Cogito Ergo Sum
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If your buttons can be "pushed" simply by a scrap of cloth, you are a wimp!
Personally, when I have seen trucks and such with the Flag of the Confederacy on them, I laugh.
To me it says, "Hey! Look at me! I'm a LOSER! Remember the way we got our ass kicked in 1861-1865? Yahoo!"
The same goes for bozos who like to burn the American Flag.
To me it says, "Hey! Look at me! I'm a LOSER! The only way I can get anybody to pay attention to me is when I act like an ASS! Yahoo!"
If you have to resort to improperly displaying, pissing on, burning, or whatever other form of crap you have to take out on a flag, you are a LOSER! If you cannot persuade with the sensibility of your verbal reasoning, but have to resort to theatrics, then please, jump off of a cliff and save the rest of us the trouble of having to endure you.
This has been a Public Service Announcement by Cogito Ergo Sum.
Thank you.
Personally, when I have seen trucks and such with the Flag of the Confederacy on them, I laugh.
To me it says, "Hey! Look at me! I'm a LOSER! Remember the way we got our ass kicked in 1861-1865? Yahoo!"
The same goes for bozos who like to burn the American Flag.
To me it says, "Hey! Look at me! I'm a LOSER! The only way I can get anybody to pay attention to me is when I act like an ASS! Yahoo!"
If you have to resort to improperly displaying, pissing on, burning, or whatever other form of crap you have to take out on a flag, you are a LOSER! If you cannot persuade with the sensibility of your verbal reasoning, but have to resort to theatrics, then please, jump off of a cliff and save the rest of us the trouble of having to endure you.
This has been a Public Service Announcement by Cogito Ergo Sum.
Thank you.
By the President of the United States of America:
A PROCLAMATION
Whereas on the 22nd day of September, A.D. 1862, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:
"That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
"That the executive will on the 1st day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State or the people thereof shall on that day be in good faith represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such States shall have participated shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State and the people thereof are not then in rebellion against the United States."
Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for supressing said rebellion, do, on this 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, and in accordance with my purpose so to do, publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days from the first day above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States the following, to wit:
Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard, Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension, Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
And by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States and parts of States are, and henceforward shall be, free; and that the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all case when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
And I further declare and make known that such persons of suitable condition will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.
And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
OK so this proclamation applied only to states rebelling actively egainst the union, not states with or under the control of the union, and since the states rebelling actually considered themself a seperate nation from teh union, who exactly did this proclamation free?
HHMMM
A PROCLAMATION
Whereas on the 22nd day of September, A.D. 1862, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:
"That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
"That the executive will on the 1st day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State or the people thereof shall on that day be in good faith represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such States shall have participated shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State and the people thereof are not then in rebellion against the United States."
Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for supressing said rebellion, do, on this 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, and in accordance with my purpose so to do, publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days from the first day above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States the following, to wit:
Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard, Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension, Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
And by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States and parts of States are, and henceforward shall be, free; and that the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all case when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
And I further declare and make known that such persons of suitable condition will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.
And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
OK so this proclamation applied only to states rebelling actively egainst the union, not states with or under the control of the union, and since the states rebelling actually considered themself a seperate nation from teh union, who exactly did this proclamation free?
HHMMM
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That's right, I say fly those beautiful Stars and Bars.
I love the Rebel Flag, and the OLD Georgia flag, and have one of each in my room.
I just LOVE the South.
I love the Rebel Flag, and the OLD Georgia flag, and have one of each in my room.
I just LOVE the South.
Really, if African american's didn't want to take over USA and make white people and all the rest of the minority population their slaves, they wont get angry at the conferederate flag or any of the Bull **** they complaint about from the days of the slavary, that happened a long long time ago.
and most of them got treated just like the rest of the minorities. Better yet, they get treated better than mexicans. A Far better.
They should just shut the hell up and move on.
That whole race was used as a slaves throughout the world, not just in usa. At least they were given a chance in USA.
you don't see other Slaved nations bitching about that, do you? They just marched forward and moved on to better themselves.
Black people are becoming more of a racists and segregators than any race out there these days. They don't ****ing try to get better as a race, who the hells gonna help them?
No wonder they're the most hated race in the world.
look at Africa, it's full of genecides and AIDS. They pollute their own kind and kill their own kind.
i don't have problems with hard working black people. It's just those black civil lawyers and all the other Black civil leaders just piss everyone off.
just let it go, other nations gone through worst. Look at Japan, they got Bombed with a big one. you don't see them complaining about that still, do you? They now own half of USA in stocks and bonds as well as realestate.
and most of them got treated just like the rest of the minorities. Better yet, they get treated better than mexicans. A Far better.
They should just shut the hell up and move on.
That whole race was used as a slaves throughout the world, not just in usa. At least they were given a chance in USA.
you don't see other Slaved nations bitching about that, do you? They just marched forward and moved on to better themselves.
Black people are becoming more of a racists and segregators than any race out there these days. They don't ****ing try to get better as a race, who the hells gonna help them?
No wonder they're the most hated race in the world.
look at Africa, it's full of genecides and AIDS. They pollute their own kind and kill their own kind.
i don't have problems with hard working black people. It's just those black civil lawyers and all the other Black civil leaders just piss everyone off.
just let it go, other nations gone through worst. Look at Japan, they got Bombed with a big one. you don't see them complaining about that still, do you? They now own half of USA in stocks and bonds as well as realestate.
Cogito Ergo Sum
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Why all the hoopla over a flag? I just don't get it...
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Kryptonite Man
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Cogito Ergo Sum said:Why all the hoopla over a flag? I just don't get it...
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Hey, I remember that guy! Kicked him in the balls and took the Confederate flag from his sorry ass and sent him and his posse crying home to their mommas like little bitches.
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Gray~Gal
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RegisteredAndEducated said:That's right, I say fly those beautiful Stars and Bars.
I love the Rebel Flag, and the OLD Georgia flag, and have one of each in my room.
I just LOVE the South.
Yeah the GA flag needs to come back! None of that BS **** with what we have now....How far deep in the south of GA do ya live.....I know near ludowoci(sp) there is KKK there and they fly the southern cross all the time but its just to piss ppl off
RoyalOrleans
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Cogito Ergo Sum said:Why all the hoopla over a flag? I just don't get it...
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That is an unfair association. The Klan are degenerate insults to everyone in the South. They have been a plague on our fair lands for years and years.
They certainly don't speak for me and I certainly don't speak for them.
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