Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query

[Harry Hope]

From The Associated Press, 12/4/07:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HUCKABEE_RELIGION?SITE=FLSTU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Huckabee bristles at creationism query

By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
Associated Press Writers

Huckabee bristles at creationism query


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) --

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
schools.

Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
there is such a fascination with his beliefs.

"I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."

"I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
Huckabee said.

_______________________________________________

Whatever

Harry

 

[Jim Alder]

Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query

> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>
> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
> Associated Press Writers
>
> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
> schools.
>
> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>
> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>
> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
> Huckabee said.

At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage" lest you
hear this borderline brilliant statement;

"That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I believe,
but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states,"
Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the
less federal it is, the better off we are."

Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy of a bored
and spoiled valley girl;

> Whatever
>
> Harry

What an idiot.

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter

 

[Joe Steel]

Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns99FD11251442Ejimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142:

> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>
>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>
>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>> Associated Press Writers
>>
>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
>> schools.
>>
>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>
>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>
>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>> Huckabee said.
>
> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
> lest you hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>
> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I
> believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The
> more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."
>

Why didn't you post the rest of the article including:

"As he has risen in polls, Huckabee has emphasized his own faith and in
recent weeks has sought to draw subtle distinctions with his rivals by
running a TV ad on the issue in the state.

"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to
wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in
the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics.
Not now, not ever."

Huckabee says he's defined by his faith. If his faith includes a belief
in hardcore fundamentalist christianity, he believes bizarre things and
he'll try to translate those beliefs into public policy.

That's scary.

 

[Kevin Cunningham]

On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>
>
>
> > Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>
> > By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
> > Associated Press Writers
>
> > Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
> > preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
> > bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
> > schools.
>
> > Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
> > candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
> > there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>
> > "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
> > conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>
> > "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
> > Huckabee said.
>
> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage" lest you
> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>
> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I believe,
> but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states,"
> Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the
> less federal it is, the better off we are."
>
> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy of a bored
> and spoiled valley girl;
>

So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to stupid
to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach Roman
math?????

If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach
the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.

 

[Jim Alder]

Joe Steel <JoeSteel@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:Xns99FD506515A15JoeSteel@
216.168.3.70:

> Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>
>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>
>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>
>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
>>> schools.
>>>
>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>
>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>
>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>> Huckabee said.
>>
>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
>> lest you hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>
>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I
>> believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
>> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The
>> more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."
>
> Why didn't you post the rest of the article including:

Because that wasn't the issue, I guess. He was asked if creationism should
be taught in the schools, and he answered it.


> "As he has risen in polls, Huckabee has emphasized his own faith and in
> recent weeks has sought to draw subtle distinctions with his rivals by
> running a TV ad on the issue in the state.
>
> "Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to
> wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in
> the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics.
> Not now, not ever."
>
> Huckabee says he's defined by his faith. If his faith includes a belief
> in hardcore fundamentalist christianity, he believes bizarre things and
> he'll try to translate those beliefs into public policy.
>
> That's scary.

If you don't like being scared, stop telling yourself scary tall tales. He
sounds mighty pragmatic for a religious extremist. He believes in the rights
of the individual and is for the Fair Tax plan.

On the down side, "President Huckabee"?? Doesn't exactly sound dignified.
Plus, bad things happen in threes, and he replaced two corrupt governors,
Clinton and Tucker.



--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter

 

[David Hartung]

Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>
>>
>>
>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>> Associated Press Writers
>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
>>> schools.
>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>> Huckabee said.
>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage" lest you
>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>
>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I believe,
>> but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states,"
>> Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the
>> less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>
>> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy of a bored
>> and spoiled valley girl;
>>
>
> So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
> stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to stupid
> to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
> evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
> hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
> should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach Roman
> math?????
>
> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach
> the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.

The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the truth. In
fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life form "evolving"
into a more complex life form.

 

[Joe Steel]

Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns99FD7D0207F68jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142:

> Joe Steel <JoeSteel@NoSpam.com> wrote in
> news:Xns99FD506515A15JoeSteel@ 216.168.3.70:
>
>> Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>
>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>
>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>>
>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in
>>>> public schools.
>>>>
>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked
>>>> which candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this
>>>> time why there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a
>>>> news conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>>
>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>> Huckabee said.
>>>
>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
>>> lest you hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>
>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what
>>> I believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
>>> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function.
>>> The more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we
>>> are."
>>
>> Why didn't you post the rest of the article including:
>
> Because that wasn't the issue, I guess. He was asked if
> creationism should be taught in the schools, and he answered it.
>

Of course it's the issue. He's a candidate for a policy-making office.
In representative democracy, his opinions, beliefs and values are
critical to the public's understanding of how he will handle his
responsibilities.



>
>> "As he has risen in polls, Huckabee has emphasized his own faith and
>> in recent weeks has sought to draw subtle distinctions with his
>> rivals by running a TV ad on the issue in the state.
>>
>> "Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have
>> to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee
>> says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's
>> politics. Not now, not ever."
>>
>> Huckabee says he's defined by his faith. If his faith includes a
>> belief in hardcore fundamentalist christianity, he believes bizarre
>> things and he'll try to translate those beliefs into public policy.
>>
>> That's scary.
>
> If you don't like being scared, stop telling yourself scary tall
> tales. He sounds mighty pragmatic for a religious extremist. He
> believes in the rights of the individual and is for the Fair Tax
> plan.
>

I call them as they are. This guy is scary because he believes scary
things -- like the "Fair Tax" being fair.

 

[3876 Dead]

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0600, David Hartung
<dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote:

>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>> On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
>>>> schools.
>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>> Huckabee said.
>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage" lest you
>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>
>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I believe,
>>> but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states,"
>>> Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the
>>> less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>>
>>> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy of a bored
>>> and spoiled valley girl;
>>>
>>
>> So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
>> stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to stupid
>> to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
>> evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
>> hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
>> should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach Roman
>> math?????
>>
>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach
>> the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>
>The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the truth. In
>fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life form "evolving"
>into a more complex life form.

Nobody has proved creationism, either.

But at least evolution has lots and lots of evidence supporting it.

 

[Jim Alder]

Joe Steel <JoeSteel@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:Xns99FD7768D7600JoeSteel@
216.168.3.70:

> Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in
> news:Xns99FD7D0207F68jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142:
>
>> Joe Steel <JoeSteel@NoSpam.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns99FD506515A15JoeSteel@ 216.168.3.70:
>>
>>> Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>
>>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>>
>>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>>>
>>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in
>>>>> public schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked
>>>>> which candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this
>>>>> time why there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a
>>>>> news conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>>>
>>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>>> Huckabee said.
>>>>
>>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
>>>> lest you hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>>
>>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what
>>>> I believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
>>>> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function.
>>>> The more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we
>>>> are."
>>>
>>> Why didn't you post the rest of the article including:
>>
>> Because that wasn't the issue, I guess. He was asked if
>> creationism should be taught in the schools, and he answered it.
>>
>
> Of course it's the issue.

So sayeth you? No, it was NOT the issue in this thread. You're welcome to
branch off, of course, but you asked me why I didn't. That's why.

> He's a candidate for a policy-making office.
> In representative democracy, his opinions, beliefs and values are
> critical to the public's understanding of how he will handle his
> responsibilities.

Okay. But they asked about ONE issue. If you want to know how his beliefs
and tenets will effect his decisions, then you should find out more ABOUT his
beliefs and tenets and not assume the worst because you fear religious people.

>>> "As he has risen in polls, Huckabee has emphasized his own faith and
>>> in recent weeks has sought to draw subtle distinctions with his
>>> rivals by running a TV ad on the issue in the state.
>>>
>>> "Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have
>>> to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee
>>> says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's
>>> politics. Not now, not ever."
>>>
>>> Huckabee says he's defined by his faith. If his faith includes a
>>> belief in hardcore fundamentalist christianity, he believes bizarre
>>> things and he'll try to translate those beliefs into public policy.
>>>
>>> That's scary.
>>
>> If you don't like being scared, stop telling yourself scary tall
>> tales. He sounds mighty pragmatic for a religious extremist. He
>> believes in the rights of the individual and is for the Fair Tax
>> plan.
>
> I call them as they are. This guy is scary because he believes scary
> things -- like the "Fair Tax" being fair.

Sounds like we found nother topic you know nothing about and hence are
fearful of it.

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter

 

[Mitchell Holman]

David Hartung <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote in
news:7_CdnSXTTewafMvanZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>> On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
>>>> schools.
>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>> Huckabee said.
>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
>>> lest you
>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>
>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I
>>> believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
>>> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The
>>> more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>>
>>> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy of
>>> a bored
>>> and spoiled valley girl;
>>>
>>
>> So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
>> stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to stupid
>> to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
>> evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
>> hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
>> should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach Roman
>> math?????
>>
>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach
>> the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>
> The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the
> truth. In fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life
> form "evolving" into a more complex life form.



http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_interme
diates_ex1



http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_interme
diates_ex3

 

[Mitchell Holman]

3876 Dead <zeppp@finestplanet.com> wrote in
news:l5pdl3tukv33ukmilnrp6tdgcfv5mp2d29@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0600, David Hartung
> <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
>
>>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>> On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in
>>>>> public schools.
>>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>>>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>>>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>>> Huckabee said.
>>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
>>>> lest you
>>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>>
>>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I
>>>> believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
>>>> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The
>>>> more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>>>
>>>> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy
>>>> of a bored
>>>> and spoiled valley girl;
>>>>
>>>
>>> So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
>>> stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to stupid
>>> to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
>>> evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
>>> hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
>>> should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach Roman
>>> math?????
>>>
>>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach
>>> the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>>
>>The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the
>>truth. In fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life
>>form "evolving" into a more complex life form.
>
> Nobody has proved creationism, either.


That is the problem with creationists. Their entire argument
consists of demand more and more detail about evolution while
proving NONE for the own theory.

The old "If A is untrue then B has to be true". Trouble is,
it doesn't.

 

[Jim Alder]

David Hartung <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote:

> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>> Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>
>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
bristled
>>>> Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public schools.
>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
there is
>>>> such a fascination with his beliefs. "I believe God created the heavens
and
>>>> the Earth," he said at a news conference with Iowa pastors who murmured,
>>>> "Amen." "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>> Huckabee said.
>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage" lest
you
>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>
>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I
believe,
>>> but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different
states,"
>>> Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and
the
>>> less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>>
>>> Which he [Harry} followed up with his typical brilliant response,
>>> worthy of a bored and spoiled valley girl;
>>>
>>>> Whatever.
>>
>> So your (I think he meant "you're") willing to say that we should
>> edjamacate (ironically, he's trying to sound dumber than he is
>> here, I think!) our children in our stupidity, right?

Certainly not in YOUR stupidity, Kevin.

>> Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to (I think he meant "too")
>> stupid to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives
>> by putting evolution down, then when asked what he would do
>> he gets up on his hind legs and panders some more by insisting
>> that anything can and should be taught. So if you think algebra
>> is wrong you can teach Roman math?????
>>
>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach the
heck
>> out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>
> The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the truth. In
> fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life form
"evolving"
> into a more complex life form.

Intermediate fossils include
Australopithecus afarensis, from 3.9 to 3.0 million years ago (Mya). Its
skull is similar to a chimpanzee's, but with more humanlike teeth. Most
(possibly all) creationists would call this an ape, but it was bipedal.
Australopithecus africanus (3 to 2 Mya); its brain size, 420-500 cc, was
slightly larger than A. afarensis, and its teeth yet more humanlike.
Homo habilis (2.4 to 1.5 Mya), which is similar to australopithecines,
but which used tools and had a larger brain (650-cc average) and less
projecting face.
Homo erectus (1.8 to 0.3 Mya); brain size averaged about 900 cc in early
H. erectus and 1,100 cc in later ones. (Modern human brains average 1,350 cc.)
A Pleistocene Homo sapiens which was "morphologically and
chronologically intermediate between archaic African fossils and later
anatomically modern Late Pleistocene humans" (White et al. 2003, 742).
A hominid combining features of, and possibly ancestral to, Neanderthals
and modern humans (Bermudez de Castro et al. 1997).
And there are fossils intermediate between these (Foley 1996-2004).

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter

 

[Joe Steel]

Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns99FD8B18EB245jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142:

> Joe Steel <JoeSteel@NoSpam.com> wrote in
> news:Xns99FD7768D7600JoeSteel@ 216.168.3.70:
>
>>
>> Of course it's the issue.
>
> So sayeth you? No, it was NOT the issue in this thread. You're
> welcome to branch off, of course, but you asked me why I didn't.
> That's why.
>

Your being dishonest.

You selectively quoted the article to make Huckabee seem reasonable; that
he knew he could do nothing because education is a state matter. In
fact, Huckabee is an extremist. He lets his faith define his views.
Someone like that is an extremist, a radical, a nut. Putting him in
charege of public policy is dangerous and frightening.




>> He's a candidate for a policy-making office.
>> In representative democracy, his opinions, beliefs and values are
>> critical to the public's understanding of how he will handle his
>> responsibilities.
>
> Okay. But they asked about ONE issue. If you want to know how his
> beliefs
> and tenets will effect his decisions, then you should find out more
> ABOUT his beliefs and tenets and not assume the worst because you fear
> religious people.
>

That's part of your problem. I posted Huckabee's comments on his
beliefs. He let's his faith define them. Had you been paying attention
you'd know that.



>>>> "As he has risen in polls, Huckabee has emphasized his own faith
>>>> and in recent weeks has sought to draw subtle distinctions with his
>>>> rivals by running a TV ad on the issue in the state.
>>>>
>>>> "Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't
>>>> have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe,"
>>>> Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for
>>>> anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
>>>>
>>>> Huckabee says he's defined by his faith. If his faith includes a
>>>> belief in hardcore fundamentalist christianity, he believes bizarre
>>>> things and he'll try to translate those beliefs into public policy.
>>>>
>>>> That's scary.
>>>
>>> If you don't like being scared, stop telling yourself scary tall
>>> tales. He sounds mighty pragmatic for a religious extremist. He
>>> believes in the rights of the individual and is for the Fair
>>> Tax plan.
>>
>> I call them as they are. This guy is scary because he believes scary
>> things -- like the "Fair Tax" being fair.
>
> Sounds like we found nother topic you know nothing about and hence
> are fearful of it.
>

I know enough of the "Fair Tax" to know you don't know much about it.

 

[3876 Dead]

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:49:22 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<Noemailplease@comcast.com> wrote:

>3876 Dead <zeppp@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>news:l5pdl3tukv33ukmilnrp6tdgcfv5mp2d29@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0600, David Hartung
>> <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>>> On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in
>>>>>> public schools.
>>>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>>>>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>>>>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>>>> Huckabee said.
>>>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
>>>>> lest you
>>>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>>>
>>>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I
>>>>> believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
>>>>> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The
>>>>> more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>>>>
>>>>> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy
>>>>> of a bored
>>>>> and spoiled valley girl;
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
>>>> stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to stupid
>>>> to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
>>>> evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
>>>> hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
>>>> should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach Roman
>>>> math?????
>>>>
>>>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach
>>>> the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>>>
>>>The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the
>>>truth. In fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life
>>>form "evolving" into a more complex life form.
>>
>> Nobody has proved creationism, either.
>
>
> That is the problem with creationists. Their entire argument
>consists of demand more and more detail about evolution while
>proving NONE for the own theory.
>
> The old "If A is untrue then B has to be true". Trouble is,
>it doesn't.

I would dearly love to see a convincing argument about humans really
arose from dust all in one go.

Of course, the minute they say "Well, God magicked it" they've lot
because they've abandoned evidence and jumped into faith.
>
>
>
>

 

[Mitchell Holman]

3876 Dead <zeppp@finestplanet.com> wrote in
news:tq0el3lvpsfar637bocs967kj3ri63vgdb@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:49:22 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <Noemailplease@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>>3876 Dead <zeppp@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>>news:l5pdl3tukv33ukmilnrp6tdgcfv5mp2d29@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0600, David Hartung
>>> <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in
>>>>>>> public schools.
>>>>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked
which
>>>>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time
why
>>>>>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a
news
>>>>>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>>>>> Huckabee said.
>>>>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage"
>>>>>> lest you
>>>>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what
I
>>>>>> believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50
>>>>>> different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function.
The
>>>>>> more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we
are."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy
>>>>>> of a bored
>>>>>> and spoiled valley girl;
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
>>>>> stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to
stupid
>>>>> to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
>>>>> evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
>>>>> hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
>>>>> should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach
Roman
>>>>> math?????
>>>>>
>>>>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the
teach
>>>>> the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>>>>
>>>>The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the
>>>>truth. In fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life
>>>>form "evolving" into a more complex life form.
>>>
>>> Nobody has proved creationism, either.
>>
>>
>> That is the problem with creationists. Their entire argument
>>consists of demand more and more detail about evolution while
>>proving NONE for the own theory.
>>
>> The old "If A is untrue then B has to be true". Trouble is,
>>it doesn't.
>
> I would dearly love to see a convincing argument about humans really
> arose from dust all in one go.
>
> Of course, the minute they say "Well, God magicked it" they've lot
> because they've abandoned evidence and jumped into faith.



The same God who peppered all those rocks with
all those fossils just to mislead us.

 

[David Hartung]

Jim Alder wrote:

> Okay. But they asked about ONE issue. If you want to know how his beliefs
> and tenets will effect his decisions, then you should find out more ABOUT his
> beliefs and tenets and not assume the worst because you fear religious people.

Sounds rational.

 

[David Hartung]

3876 Dead wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0600, David Hartung
> <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>> On Dec 5, 1:41 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
>>>>> bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public
>>>>> schools.
>>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
>>>>> there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>>>>> "I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news
>>>>> conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
>>>>> "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>>> Huckabee said.
>>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage" lest you
>>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>>
>>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I believe,
>>>> but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states,"
>>>> Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the
>>>> less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>>>
>>>> Which he followed up with his typical brilliant response, worthy of a bored
>>>> and spoiled valley girl;
>>>>
>>> So your willing to say that we should edjamacate our children in our
>>> stupidity, right? Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to stupid
>>> to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives by putting
>>> evolution down, then when asked what he would do he gets up on his
>>> hind legs and panders some more by insisting that anything can and
>>> should be taught. So if you think algebra is wrong you can teach Roman
>>> math?????
>>>
>>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach
>>> the heck out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>> The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the truth. In
>> fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life form "evolving"
>> into a more complex life form.
>
> Nobody has proved creationism, either.
>
> But at least evolution has lots and lots of evidence supporting it.

Such as?

 

[David Hartung]

Jim Alder wrote:
> David Hartung <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>> Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>>> Hatemonger Hopeless Harry <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Creationist cretin Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>
>>>>> Huckabee bristles at creationism query
>>>>> By LIZ SIDOTI and LIBBY QUAID
>>>>> Associated Press Writers
>>>>> Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
>>>>> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support,
> bristled
>>>>> Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public schools.
>>>>> Huckabee - who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which
>>>>> candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution - asked this time why
> there is
>>>>> such a fascination with his beliefs. "I believe God created the heavens
> and
>>>>> the Earth," he said at a news conference with Iowa pastors who murmured,
>>>>> "Amen." "I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know,"
>>>>> Huckabee said.
>>>> At which point Hopeless Harry chose to cut off his "reportage" lest
> you
>>>> hear this borderline brilliant statement;
>>>>
>>>> "That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I
> believe,
>>>> but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different
> states,"
>>>> Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and
> the
>>>> less federal it is, the better off we are."
>>>>
>>>> Which he [Harry} followed up with his typical brilliant response,
>>>> worthy of a bored and spoiled valley girl;
>>>>
>>>>> Whatever.
>>> So your (I think he meant "you're") willing to say that we should
>>> edjamacate (ironically, he's trying to sound dumber than he is
>>> here, I think!) our children in our stupidity, right?
>
> Certainly not in YOUR stupidity, Kevin.
>
>>> Huckabee, soon to be the repug nominee is to (I think he meant "too")
>>> stupid to understand evolution so he panders to conservatives
>>> by putting evolution down, then when asked what he would do
>>> he gets up on his hind legs and panders some more by insisting
>>> that anything can and should be taught. So if you think algebra
>>> is wrong you can teach Roman math?????
>>>
>>> If evolution is a lie then don't teach it. If its the truth the teach the
> heck
>>> out of it. You got a problem with that? Huckabee does.
>> The problem is that no one has ever "proven" that evolution is the truth. In
>> fact, I challenge you to provide one example of a simple life form
> "evolving"
>> into a more complex life form.
>
> Intermediate fossils include
> Australopithecus afarensis, from 3.9 to 3.0 million years ago (Mya). Its
> skull is similar to a chimpanzee's, but with more humanlike teeth. Most
> (possibly all) creationists would call this an ape, but it was bipedal.
> Australopithecus africanus (3 to 2 Mya); its brain size, 420-500 cc, was
> slightly larger than A. afarensis, and its teeth yet more humanlike.
> Homo habilis (2.4 to 1.5 Mya), which is similar to australopithecines,
> but which used tools and had a larger brain (650-cc average) and less
> projecting face.
> Homo erectus (1.8 to 0.3 Mya); brain size averaged about 900 cc in early
> H. erectus and 1,100 cc in later ones. (Modern human brains average 1,350 cc.)
> A Pleistocene Homo sapiens which was "morphologically and
> chronologically intermediate between archaic African fossils and later
> anatomically modern Late Pleistocene humans" (White et al. 2003, 742).
> A hominid combining features of, and possibly ancestral to, Neanderthals
> and modern humans (Bermudez de Castro et al. 1997).
> And there are fossils intermediate between these (Foley 1996-2004).

How does this show a simple life form evolving into a more complex life form?

 

[Jim Alder]

Joe Steel <JoeSteel@NoSpam.com> wrote:

> Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
>> Joe Steel <JoeSteel@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course it's the issue.
>>
>> So sayeth you? No, it was NOT the issue in this thread. You're
>> welcome to branch off, of course, but you asked me why I didn't.
>> That's why.
>>
>
> Your being dishonest.

You're being semiliterate.

> You selectively quoted the article to make Huckabee seem reasonable; that
> he knew he could do nothing because education is a state matter. In
> fact, Huckabee is an extremist. He lets his faith define his views.
> Someone like that is an extremist, a radical, a nut. Putting him in
> charege of public policy is dangerous and frightening.

Only to an intolerant douche such as yourself. You've said nothing that
tells me Huckabee's religion is extreme, so I'm assuming you think all
religion is extremist. That would make you a fool. Care to rebut?

>>> He's a candidate for a policy-making office.
>>> In representative democracy, his opinions, beliefs and values are
>>> critical to the public's understanding of how he will handle his
>>> responsibilities.
>>
>> Okay. But they asked about ONE issue. If you want to know how his
>> beliefs
>> and tenets will effect his decisions, then you should find out more
>> ABOUT his beliefs and tenets and not assume the worst because you fear
>> religious people.
>
> That's part of your problem. I posted Huckabee's comments on his
> beliefs. He let's his faith define them. Had you been paying attention
> you'd know that.

I read that. That's what religion is for. He's a Baptist, an ordained
minister, in fact. So what?

>>>>> "As he has risen in polls, Huckabee has emphasized his own faith
>>>>> and in recent weeks has sought to draw subtle distinctions with his
>>>>> rivals by running a TV ad on the issue in the state.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't
>>>>> have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe,"
>>>>> Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for
>>>>> anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
>>>>>
>>>>> Huckabee says he's defined by his faith. If his faith includes a
>>>>> belief in hardcore fundamentalist christianity, he believes bizarre
>>>>> things and he'll try to translate those beliefs into public policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's scary.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't like being scared, stop telling yourself scary tall
>>>> tales. He sounds mighty pragmatic for a religious extremist. He
>>>> believes in the rights of the individual and is for the Fair
>>>> Tax plan.
>>>
>>> I call them as they are. This guy is scary because he believes scary
>>> things -- like the "Fair Tax" being fair.
>>
>> Sounds like we found nother topic you know nothing about and hence
>> are fearful of it.
>>
>
> I know enough of the "Fair Tax" to know you don't know much about it.

You know dick about it.

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter

 

[Jim Alder]

David Hartung <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote in
news:crudneAORuextMranZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Jim Alder wrote:
>
>> Okay. But they asked about ONE issue. If you want to know how his
beliefs
>> and tenets will effect his decisions, then you should find out more ABOUT
his
>> beliefs and tenets and not assume the worst because you fear religious
people.
>
> Sounds rational.

I try to be, in spite of the company. ;^D

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter