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At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.
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The preservation of life seems to be rather a slogan than a genuine goal of the anti-abortion forces; what they want is control. Control over behavior: power over women. Women in the anti-choice movement want to share in male power over women, and do so by denying their own womanhood, their own rights and responsibilities. ~ Ursula K. Le Guin 1929- present
The power of the harasser, the abuser, the rapist depends above all on the silence of women. ~ Ursula K. LeGuin
The power of the harasser, the abuser, the rapist depends above all on the silence of women. ~ Ursula K. LeGuin
From the first moments of an encounter with another person, the narcissist is on the prowl. He collects information with the intention of applying it later to extract narcissistic supply. The more he knows about his potential source of supply - the better able he is to coerce, manipulate, charm, extort or convert it "to the cause". The narcissist does not hesitate to abuse the information he gleaned, regardless of its intimate nature or the circumstances in which he obtained it. This is a powerful tool in his armoury. ~ Sam Vaknin
..you blabbing your personal stuff to me was just a dollar found on the sidewalk, unplanned for but something I put in my pocket for later use if needed. ~ TJ
If all else fails, the narcissist recruits friends, colleagues, mates, family members, the authorities, institutions, neighbors - in short, third parties - to do his bidding. He uses them to cajole, coerce, threaten, stalk, offer, retreat, tempt, convince, harass, communicate and otherwise manipulate his target. He controls these unaware instruments exactly as he plans to control his ultimate prey. He employs the same mechanisms and devices. And he dumps his props unceremoniously when the job is done. ~ Sam Vaknin
On what world do you live? Just because several people may share a similar point or agree on one thing, that does not make them friends or buddies Wez. I agreed with eddo about how you were breaking the rules without penalty on this forum Wez but how does that agreement on one topic mean we were "tight" in your mind? ~ TJ
I don't know, seems to me he tends to be a bit of a control freak. Johny said he found a story about a school stripper suspicious and TJ immediately took it personally and jumped his *** for "questioning his honesty" and bringing his "integrity" into question. The matter was cleared up but I still don't see where TJ admitted he was wrong.. I think he needs help. ~ wez 11-21-2007 9:22 AM
I have no issue with TJ's debate skills. He acts like an adult, provides facts, and doesn't let personal feelings get in the way of a good discussion.He has also been very helpful to newer members who have a hard time getting a hang of this kind of boards features- in oder to help them organize their thoughts in a way that betters the debate. I look forward to future debates with TimesJoke, and am glad that he made it through the junk at GF to find this place. ~ Eddo 11-21-2007, 9:26 AM
agreed. Well said eddo. ~ Brotherman 11-21-2007, 9:37 AM
hahahahaha.. cough cough ~ wez
..you blabbing your personal stuff to me was just a dollar found on the sidewalk, unplanned for but something I put in my pocket for later use if needed. ~ TJ
If all else fails, the narcissist recruits friends, colleagues, mates, family members, the authorities, institutions, neighbors - in short, third parties - to do his bidding. He uses them to cajole, coerce, threaten, stalk, offer, retreat, tempt, convince, harass, communicate and otherwise manipulate his target. He controls these unaware instruments exactly as he plans to control his ultimate prey. He employs the same mechanisms and devices. And he dumps his props unceremoniously when the job is done. ~ Sam Vaknin
On what world do you live? Just because several people may share a similar point or agree on one thing, that does not make them friends or buddies Wez. I agreed with eddo about how you were breaking the rules without penalty on this forum Wez but how does that agreement on one topic mean we were "tight" in your mind? ~ TJ
I don't know, seems to me he tends to be a bit of a control freak. Johny said he found a story about a school stripper suspicious and TJ immediately took it personally and jumped his *** for "questioning his honesty" and bringing his "integrity" into question. The matter was cleared up but I still don't see where TJ admitted he was wrong.. I think he needs help. ~ wez 11-21-2007 9:22 AM
I have no issue with TJ's debate skills. He acts like an adult, provides facts, and doesn't let personal feelings get in the way of a good discussion.He has also been very helpful to newer members who have a hard time getting a hang of this kind of boards features- in oder to help them organize their thoughts in a way that betters the debate. I look forward to future debates with TimesJoke, and am glad that he made it through the junk at GF to find this place. ~ Eddo 11-21-2007, 9:26 AM
agreed. Well said eddo. ~ Brotherman 11-21-2007, 9:37 AM
hahahahaha.. cough cough ~ wez
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?The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly.? ~ Buddah
?Stop acting as if life is a rehearsal. Live this day as if it were your last. The past is over and gone. The future is not guaranteed.? ~ Wayne Dyer
?People who live in the past generally are afraid to compete in the present. I've got my faults, but living in the past is not one of them. There's no future in it.? ~ Sparky Anderson
?Stop acting as if life is a rehearsal. Live this day as if it were your last. The past is over and gone. The future is not guaranteed.? ~ Wayne Dyer
?People who live in the past generally are afraid to compete in the present. I've got my faults, but living in the past is not one of them. There's no future in it.? ~ Sparky Anderson
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"What lies behind you and what lies in front of you, pales in comparison to what lies inside of you." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
?The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.? ~ Abraham Lincoln
?The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.? ~ Abraham Lincoln
Narcissists Suck: Abusive tactics of narcissists
Knowing that a narcissist is driven by their need for power over others, and knowing they are always in search of this headiest drug which is absolute power over others, then you'll also be aware that they must force your submission in order to feel powerful over you. All this leads straight to the fact that a narcissist must deprive you of your right to defend yourself to accomplish this. They will always do this by fraud, lies, and threats. They will bring in their proxies to help them get you to submit to that which no one should ever have to submit to.
It is important to mention here one very tricky sleight-of-hand that a narcissist does to disarm someone from self-defense. This is accomplished by intentionally mislabeling your defensive behaviors as being "retribution" or "vengeance". They accuse you of hurting them. They pretend to know your motives and lay the accusation that any efforts you make to defend yourself are actually coming from your desire to hurt them. If they can convince you that you are being vengeful, or at least if they can convince you that others see you as being vengeful, then they can shut you down.
They want to be able to pretend that your forced submission is a real submission...and this can only be done if they successfully deprive you of your ability to defend yourself. It is the right that the proxies and bystanders will tell you that you don't have. "Turn the other cheek" is the pious phrasing far too many victims of abusers have gotten for advice when they desperately have sought for help with their situation.
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You seem to get a lot of pleasure in trying to hurt other people Wez, maybe you should be looking in your mirror before you point your finger at me or anyone else because you started this mess, not me. ~ timesjoke
No matter what happens now I owe congratulations to Ren for a job well done, after several years of trying to hurt me you finally figured out a way, you had some help to be sure, but you were the stone in the water that caused the ripples. Good job. ~ timesjoke
Ren and the other poster who most likely is another old 'friend' of mine who usually goes by the name Haq joined this community only to flame, not to be a part of this community, they are motivated only by a desire for revenge. ~ timesjoke
Well your one of the people taking shots at me eddo, all based in old issues. I had hoped to get past the past but this crazy woman Ren shows up with her lies and obsession for me and suddenly even you and Ali are jumping on the "bash times" bandwagon again, even if at the same time you don't like her much either. ~ timesjoke
Anyway, as usual there is a lot more to things than what we can make clear in even several posts, suffice it to say this is not a new issue To you, all that matters is your history and anger, not the subject at hand. You look for excuses to act poorly based on your past. You hold grudges and allow those grudges to color what you say instead of restricting your comments on the facts at hand.~ timesjoke
This is almost all in your head Ali, I cannot be held responsible for what you do or how you manipulate your own mind into believing you need to go into full attack mode. I have never tried to control you Ali, but you have tried to control me with your bully tactics and I refuse to be bullied. ~ timesjoke
And yet I have always been the same guy from day one, but your recent loss of control was based not on me being who I have always been but instead driven by your need to protect eddo. ~ timesjoke
To you, all that matters is your history and anger, not the subject at hand. You look for excuses to act poorly based on your past. You hold grudges and allow those grudges to color what you say instead of restricting your comments on the facts at hand. ~ timesjoke
I am rejecting your negative actions eddo. You have never treated me with a shread of decency so what do you offer me to open up to you? Am I supposed to be passive and meek in the face of constant agression from you? ~ timesjoke
Control? I only reply to what you actually do and say, nothing more. Anything else is a figment of your imagination. ~ timesjoke
Your like the abusive husband, you act very poorly and once you have dominated someone, you "make up for it" with gifts, pretty words and lots of attention. But let that person dare to step out of line again, and they will see the abuse again. ~ timesjoke
Your a control freak, and I can't be controlled, don't feel bad though, many people before you thought they could control me, and also failed miserably, your feelings of frustration are shared by many, lol. ~ timesjoke
This entire thread is you projecting on me Ali. I don't see a need for flame threads, you do. I don't attack peopls's families, you do. I don't attack people in personal ways just because I am angry, you do. Everything you have tried to paint me with is actually describing yourself. ~ timesjoke
Like the abuse you had as a child? People love to talk about you Ali.~ timesjoke
I do not flame is reality though, put simply it is the desperate act of a child to always turn to flames as you always do. ~ timesjoke
A mere drop in the bucket. ~ wez
Run and hide tough guy. ~ wez
Knowing that a narcissist is driven by their need for power over others, and knowing they are always in search of this headiest drug which is absolute power over others, then you'll also be aware that they must force your submission in order to feel powerful over you. All this leads straight to the fact that a narcissist must deprive you of your right to defend yourself to accomplish this. They will always do this by fraud, lies, and threats. They will bring in their proxies to help them get you to submit to that which no one should ever have to submit to.
It is important to mention here one very tricky sleight-of-hand that a narcissist does to disarm someone from self-defense. This is accomplished by intentionally mislabeling your defensive behaviors as being "retribution" or "vengeance". They accuse you of hurting them. They pretend to know your motives and lay the accusation that any efforts you make to defend yourself are actually coming from your desire to hurt them. If they can convince you that you are being vengeful, or at least if they can convince you that others see you as being vengeful, then they can shut you down.
They want to be able to pretend that your forced submission is a real submission...and this can only be done if they successfully deprive you of your ability to defend yourself. It is the right that the proxies and bystanders will tell you that you don't have. "Turn the other cheek" is the pious phrasing far too many victims of abusers have gotten for advice when they desperately have sought for help with their situation.
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You seem to get a lot of pleasure in trying to hurt other people Wez, maybe you should be looking in your mirror before you point your finger at me or anyone else because you started this mess, not me. ~ timesjoke
No matter what happens now I owe congratulations to Ren for a job well done, after several years of trying to hurt me you finally figured out a way, you had some help to be sure, but you were the stone in the water that caused the ripples. Good job. ~ timesjoke
Ren and the other poster who most likely is another old 'friend' of mine who usually goes by the name Haq joined this community only to flame, not to be a part of this community, they are motivated only by a desire for revenge. ~ timesjoke
Well your one of the people taking shots at me eddo, all based in old issues. I had hoped to get past the past but this crazy woman Ren shows up with her lies and obsession for me and suddenly even you and Ali are jumping on the "bash times" bandwagon again, even if at the same time you don't like her much either. ~ timesjoke
Anyway, as usual there is a lot more to things than what we can make clear in even several posts, suffice it to say this is not a new issue To you, all that matters is your history and anger, not the subject at hand. You look for excuses to act poorly based on your past. You hold grudges and allow those grudges to color what you say instead of restricting your comments on the facts at hand.~ timesjoke
This is almost all in your head Ali, I cannot be held responsible for what you do or how you manipulate your own mind into believing you need to go into full attack mode. I have never tried to control you Ali, but you have tried to control me with your bully tactics and I refuse to be bullied. ~ timesjoke
And yet I have always been the same guy from day one, but your recent loss of control was based not on me being who I have always been but instead driven by your need to protect eddo. ~ timesjoke
To you, all that matters is your history and anger, not the subject at hand. You look for excuses to act poorly based on your past. You hold grudges and allow those grudges to color what you say instead of restricting your comments on the facts at hand. ~ timesjoke
I am rejecting your negative actions eddo. You have never treated me with a shread of decency so what do you offer me to open up to you? Am I supposed to be passive and meek in the face of constant agression from you? ~ timesjoke
Control? I only reply to what you actually do and say, nothing more. Anything else is a figment of your imagination. ~ timesjoke
Your like the abusive husband, you act very poorly and once you have dominated someone, you "make up for it" with gifts, pretty words and lots of attention. But let that person dare to step out of line again, and they will see the abuse again. ~ timesjoke
Your a control freak, and I can't be controlled, don't feel bad though, many people before you thought they could control me, and also failed miserably, your feelings of frustration are shared by many, lol. ~ timesjoke
This entire thread is you projecting on me Ali. I don't see a need for flame threads, you do. I don't attack peopls's families, you do. I don't attack people in personal ways just because I am angry, you do. Everything you have tried to paint me with is actually describing yourself. ~ timesjoke
Like the abuse you had as a child? People love to talk about you Ali.~ timesjoke
I do not flame is reality though, put simply it is the desperate act of a child to always turn to flames as you always do. ~ timesjoke
A mere drop in the bucket. ~ wez
Run and hide tough guy. ~ wez
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?Passion is a positive obsession. Obsession is a negative passion.? ~ Paul Carvel
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"Why do children want to grow up? Because they experience their lives as constrained by immaturity and perceive adulthood as a condition of greater freedom and opportunity. But what is there today, in America, that very poor and very rich adolescents want to do but cannot do? Not much: they can "do" drugs, "have" ***, "make" babies, and "get" money (from their parents, crime, or the State). For such adolescents, adulthood becomes synonymous with responsibility rather than liberty. Is it any surprise that they remain adolescents?" ~Thomas Szasz