Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

snafu

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READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!


READ THE BILL !!

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I hope they give everybody a chance to read the bill instead of shoving it down our throats like the stimulus package.

 

phreakwars

New member
I hope they give everybody a chance to read the bill instead of shoving it down our throats like the stimulus package.
Here's the thing, they ARE trying to do that. Obviously they can't go over all 1000+ pages of it in one sitting, If you want to even TRY and attempt to read it, you can find it here:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

So far I've read 480 some pages, yes I admit I haven't read the entire thing myself, but I AM at least reading it to see what it's saying. I'm not hanging out over on Daily Kos or listening to Kieth Olbermen, I'm actually reading it here and there over the last few weeks. But then again, the first 500 pages are the pages I was interested in...

What I learned was VERY interesting indeed.

Have you gotten one of those E-mails yet that talks about all this alleged **** that is in the bill?

Goes something like this:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to

rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
WOW !! Now THAT is alot to take in, sounds pretty **** frightening to me... but DOES it actually say these things?
I'll take a RANDOM one... uh lets say....

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

 


Hmm, lets see what it says..., it says

21 © REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO COST-SHARING22 AND MINIMUM ACTUARIAL VALUE.?

23 (1) NO COST-SHARING FOR PREVENTIVE SERV

24 ICES.?There shall be no cost-sharing under the es

25 sential benefits package for preventive items and

1 services (as specified under the benefit standards),

2 including well baby and well child care.

3 (2) ANNUAL LIMITATION.?

4 (A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.?The cost-shar5

ing incurred under the essential benefits pack6

age with respect to an individual (or family) for

7 a year does not exceed the applicable level spec8

ified in subparagraph (B).

9 (B) APPLICABLE LEVEL.?The applicable

10 level specified in this subparagraph for Y1 is

11 $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a

12 family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded

13 to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year

14 by the annual percentage increase in the Con

15 sumer Price Index (United States city average)

16 applicable to such year.
Get all that? What that means to me when I read it, is the government will offer different types of packages for public health (don't insurance companies already do this?) This would be for people who can't afford health care but want basic service. It gives you $5,000 (more then what the average homeless person needs) for care each year, increasing with the CPI. If you keep reading on, you'd realize that there are other levels of coverage that will be available as well.
That's rationing?

Here's another: Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

 


Looks to me more like it says there will be a committee that will decide what treatments will be offered under the different plans.

Another: PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise




Well, lets look at that.

SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.22 (a) IN GENERAL.?Except as otherwise explicitly per

23 mitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations con

24 sistent with this Act, all health care and related services

25 (including insurance coverage and public health activities)

1 covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to

2 personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of

3 high quality health care or related services.

4 (b) IMPLEMENTATION.?To implement the require

5 ment set forth in subsection (a), the Secretary of Health

6 and Human Services shall, not later than 18 months after

7 the date of the enactment of this Act, promulgate such

8 regulations as are necessary or appropriate to insure that

9 all health care and related services (including insurance

10 coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act

11 are provided (whether directly or through contractual, li

12 censing, or other arrangements) without regard to per

13 sonal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high

14 quality health care or related services.
So where's that line about illegal aliens?

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phreakwars

New member
This topic here for instance... like I said before, even fooled ME for a bit. At first I thought.... yeah, ****, playing hardball now, throw in government funded abortions.... But then I thought about it some more. I thought, well, I guess it could be in the bill, I haven't read it ALL yet, but it IS listed in a news site so it must be true... then I thought about it even more, and I realized.... HEY WAIT A MINUTE, that's just frikken CRAZY. NO WAY would they try throwing something like that in there, that would draw away too many people on both the right and the left. It would NEVER pass. That's when I got suspicious and checked into it. turns out I was VERY correct to be suspicious. That wording simply DOES NOT exist, it never did, was never even considered.

So think about that for a moment... Do I blame a right winger? Hmm, most likely, but one needs to be more specific. Obviously this was meant to stir up emotions in Republicans and those on the left who are pro-life.... why? And the query I LOVE to run with... "QUE BONO" Who benefits from ******* all these people off, who benefits from scaring the living **** out of seniors with **** like Euthanasia talk, or benefits cut?

When I see the town hall videos, first and foremost, I see astro-turf led chaos to disrupt whichever congressman it is from answering question, you can't deny that, but what I ALSO see, a very emotional, worked up, scared to death, frenzied older folks getting words like SOCIALISM and **** tossed at them, they are screaming and yelling about things that aren't even REAL or part of the bill. So again, I ask... who benefits?

Could it be this middle man between my Dr. and myself called the insurance companies who handle the premiums I pay them, give huge bonuses to themselves, and deny people coverage or deny claims? That in itself is a VERY nice little racketeering scheme they got going on.

So why should I trust the government, what have THEY ever done for me?

Well first of all, I trust the government because they work for me, they are non profit, so that means my health won't depend on 1st quarter sales expectations, and they already run a health care program. The same one TJ's son has the benefit of using. Interesting it is, that the main job sector that is hiring right now... actually, the ONLY sector.... is the health care industry. Dr's, nurses, orderly's, you name it. Obviously doing something like spending a stimulus into educating our youth would be to our advantage.

A single payer plan would simply be a pool of money we are paying in to keep each other healthy, as outlined above, there are different proposed levels. One for the subsidies crowd, one for the lower wage earners, and one for the middle class... IN ADDITION, you have your regular private options.

There is ALOT to learn about the entire plan, and the more people actually READ THE BILL, the more it will all make sense.

I just wish the sellout crowd like the blue dog ******* in my state who took the payoffs come to their **** senses and reach a bi-partisan agreement.

One things for sure... I am SICK AND TIRED of the propaganda lies.

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